YTSEJAM Digest 5366
Today's Topics:
1) Re: You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
2) absolutely, positively, the last Atlanta review :)
by "Phil Carter" <phil@usefulware.com>
3) Guns and all the on the jam
by "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu>
4) Re: Guns N' Jazzers
by Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
5) Re: Those damn europeans!!!
by Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
6) Yowza!
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
7) RE: Guns N' Jazzers
by "Lisa Marie Palma" <firegirl@flashcom.net>
8) RE: Ibeenhads...
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
9) How big of a house does this fucking clown need?
by "Paul Evans" <evansp3@corp.earthlink.net>
10) Anyone got change for a Euro?
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
11) guns, jazz
by TEDESCO MATTHEW A <Matthew.Tedesco@Colorado.EDU>
12) Re: You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.
by Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
13) 0 w a bullet
by Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com>
14) Re: guns, nazis, society murders etc.
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
15) RE: tarred
by "Herbert, Jason" <jherbert@biccgeneral.com>
16) RE: Nationalist snobbery
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
17) Re: Only In America
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
18) been a while....
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
19) TransAtlantic and Platypus Reviews
by "MichaelM" <michael@progmetal.net>
20) TransAtlantic and Platypus Reviews
by "MichaelM" <michael@progmetal.net>
21) BIG GUNS!
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
22) Re: Guns N' Jazzers
by Amy Marie Van Wynsberghe <av909596@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 12:39:31 -0500
From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.
Message-ID: <38BEA753.E8C84B49@wezl.org>
I don't think it's an "American" facination...hell the europeans are the
people who brought guns to America if my history lessons serve me
correctly...regardless I think it's not an "American" issue...more like a
small penis, or lack of testes to just kick someone's ass with your bare
hands...like in that movie Friday. Just my $.02
Now my question to the jam...Why does anyone need a slinky??? What a useless
excuse for a "Toy"
gaz wrote:
> You still didn't answer my question, why does anyone need a gun ?
> Why do American's in particular seem to have a facination with
> guns ? And feel the need to own one ?
>
> I really don't know why, perhaps it's part of the American culture ?
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 12:42:04 -0500
From: "Phil Carter" <phil@usefulware.com>
To: Scenes From a Ytse <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: absolutely, positively, the last Atlanta review :)
Message-ID: <4.1.20000302102153.009a5b30@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids....
Paul, Greg, and Alpine (where the fuck were you pre- and post-show? :) )
did a pretty good job of summing up the show for the most part. I wanted to
mention a few other things they either mentioned only in passing or forgot.
Cool Stuff At The Atlanta Show:
-- A big audience! Shows like this in Atlanta never ever do well. I was
immensely gratified to see the upper balcony opened after 2000 tickets were
sold. :)
-- The Star People being moderately well received (people here seemed to
get their schtick much better than, say, you intolerant New Yorkers). Most
folk just stood there grinning and grooving to the music like me :)
-- Dixie Dregs violin player emeritus Allen Sloan returning on violin for
two songs during the Dregs' set
-- A Dixie Dregs encore! Morse said "Trying not to sound cliche, but we've
been all over the U.S. [long pause] .... and this place is just like home
to us." So they did an encore :)
-- "Amazing Grace" at the beginning of "Through Her Eyes"
-- Mike holding his daughter Melody on his lap during "Through Her Eyes"
(protected by large headphones, of course) and then holding her up to the
crowd at the end of the song :) Way cool, Mike :)
-- Jordan throwing some LTE piano bits into his keyboard solo (as well as
some other bits I think were from Rudess-Morgenstein Project)
-- The incredibly emotional feeling I got from "The Spirit Carries On" live
-- Mike sneaking up behind James and fondling him while James was talking
to the crowd during the break after SFAM; James stopped and went "Okay,
Mike and I are gonna go backstage now for a bit" and made as if to run
offstage while the audience broke up :)
-- During the encore, the band had a train wreck of sorts during "Pull Me
Under" (in the "Watch the sparrow falling" section). It's kind of nice to
know the band's human after all :) James just gave up and quit singing for
a bit, then let the band recover musically and did the "This world is
spinning around me" chorus just using the "aaaahhh" vocal sound :)
-- James, perhaps in a fit of pique at Mike ("*I* can do better than
that!") took over the drums during the very last drawn-out ending of the
final song, kicking hell out of the bass drums and bashing everything else
in reach. Mike, meanwhile, ran offstage briefly and returned in a big white
fluffy robe, running around onstage like a madman, briefly reaching around
Petrucci to usurp his guitar, then serenading us with some incredible
glass-shattering high notes. "AAA!! AAAAAAAAA!!!!!" Jordan almost fell off
his riser in laughter :)
A hearty "fuck you" goes out to the Tabernacle staff for two things:
One, opening the doors too early (before the upstairs section was actually
open), then herding the people first through the door into a downstairs
area so that most of them lost decent seats when the upstairs section was
finally opened (I got lucky myself and wound up second row in front of
Jordan, where I wanted to be, but lots of other people didn't)
Two, not understanding the concept of "backstage". Thanks to Paul Cashman,
I was able to snag a backstage pass, but rather than actually TAKE US
backstage, the staff herded us to a foyer ACROSS THE VENUE and upstairs
from the backstage area. They managed to keep us there, unvisited by any of
the bandmembers save James LaBrie (who was cool enough to come see us
despite looking rather confused about the whole thing), until John Myung
and all of the Dregs except Steve Morse had already gone outside, signed
autographs, and disappeared onto their buses. At least I was able to meet
Jordan and JP when I headed outside, even if I had to wait behind hordes of
other people to do it. :)
A big shout out goes to all the Ytses I saw at the Portnoy/Morgenstein
signing and before the show. I won't list you all because I'd forget
somebody, but you all know who you are. :)
cheers,
Phil
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:57:33 -0500
From: "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Guns and all the on the jam
Message-ID: <001601bf8470$c97736a0$b7ab889e@plymouth.edu>
Ok, some of the topics on this list are not at all DT or music related.
I have learned to tolerate that, but this topic has gone too far IMO. What
does it matter. Either way you look at it, it isn't right, so let it rest.
Sure we could kill the kid, we could throw him in jail for the rest of his
life, but I implore you all to be like me...apathetic. I don't care what
they do to the little bastard. I am not the one who decides and neither are
any of us. We can agree or disagree, but I personally don't want any
argument taking up any more of my email space. If I wanted to be reminded
of how pathetic we all are, I would read the newspaper, or go back to work
at the supermarket and hear about it from all of the other pathetic losers
who think they have a right to complain. They are all perfect (you should
detect a healthy dose of sarcasm) and do no wrong. That just pisses me off.
We don't need to get into this debate now. It has been happening constantly
for the past few years. I am really sick of all the bullshit...guns
kill...no people do...no guns do...I have a right to have a gun...yes but
that is an archiac ammendment...but I do have a right...It is all bullshit.
I am begging all of you JUST DROP IT
ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A very very very irritated Kenn.
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 11:56:15 -0600
From: Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Guns N' Jazzers
Message-ID: <B4E4075F.3229%hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
on 3/2/00 11:11 AM, Awake's head absorbed one too many Yngwie scalar squeals
and exploded, thus spewing forth:
>> From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: You can have my gun when you pry
>> it from my cold, dead fingers.
>> involved a gun in some capacity or another. What I
>> don't get is why all those damn Euros have that smug
>> fucking superior attitude about everything when
>> America has bailed them out of more scraps than was
>> seen in their previous history. Just don't get it.
>
> Um, excuse me; but to you - and indeed, every other Yank who wants to get a
> bit gung-ho about your "rescues" -
>
> 1. If the United States hadn't got involved with WW2, the
> only difference in the outcome is that Western Europe
> would have been ruled from Moscow for 50 years rather than
> Washington for 90.
Haha, right. The Brits were the only ones who put up a respectable fight,
and if it weren't for two things (US help and Hitler's repeated stupidity in
using up resources trying to take Russia the way he did) that wouldn't have
lasted too long either.
> 2. And fuck you anyway! America only got involved because
> on both occaisions, they got put in the firing line by the
> German High Command (foolish mistake, really). And only
> then because they'd figured out a way to scam some money
> out of Europe into the bargain.
You mean we only got involved in a war because of our own interests? What a
novel idea! Regardless of why we got in, the fact remains that in WWII we
basically saved Europe. WWI, of course, is an entirely different matter...
>> But ah well, maybe it's part of their culture to bite
>> the hand that protects them. Go fig!
>
> Maybe it's in your culture to be a bunch of fucking
> morons; but just becasue your ancestors were morons
> doesn't mean that you have to do so!
It's funny that you seem to think you're so smart, when you can't even
figure out, for example (even after posts explicitly stating it!), that Mosh
is having you on and you look like a retarded dog chasing its tail everytime
you reply to him.
>> Subject: Re: You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.
>
> That can be arranged, if you wish.
bwahaha, speaking of trying to feel superior, nothing like threatening
physical violence over the net from 3000 miles away, comfortably secure from
having to back up your words.
> And as for that kid...Just shoot the little bastard. The problem is that
> people aren't afraid of the law anymore. So have executions in public. People
> have got to get into the mindset that insanity or being unaware of the
> consequences of one's actions is NOT a defence. The result is still the same.
> If you kill someone, you will be caught and you will be executed - the law
> should be that simple.
Whoa, suddenly we see the real you! What would all of your "civilized" brit
comrades think of you! Hasn't the death penalty been outlawed there for
about fifty years now?
And didn't you have your own school shooting a year or two ago? At least
over here it's usually students who have some kind of beef, however
ridiculous with someone else. Your was some middle aged pedophile who
decided to mow down kids on a playground and in a gym. If that's the kind of
people your "intelligent, civilized" society breeds, count me out buddy.
And isn't there a big case about a nice middle aged serial murderer breaking
over there as we speak?
Point being, not that we're better than you, but you best look in your own
backyard first ya sanctimonious phony bitch.
-Brian
--There are two ways to get to Canada. Go north, or go south and be persistent.
-Kamur Tamma
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 12:00:54 -0600 From: Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Those damn europeans!!! Message-ID: <B4E40876.322C%hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
on 3/2/00 11:11 AM, Paul Evans said way too politely for my taste:
> There've been plenty of posts from the American side, claiming somehow that > our right to bear arms (Spock's Bears?) have bailed out European countries, > which is just way off base... The aid we've sent has been our organized > military forces, not a bunch of gun-toting civilians! Talk about trying to > feel superior!!!
Well, as the person who first mentioned that I'll just say that it was a joke and had nothing to do with gun toting civilians but with some European guy saying that he wanted to let our military have guns but take 'em away from everyone else. :)
> I think the real problem is that parents are just plain lousy job in general > of raising kids to understand the difference between right and wrong, and > the proper value of a human life. Video games (which I love) seem to impart > the idea that if someone dies, you just start over... And that's just not > the case in real life. Again, I'm not blaming video games, or Ozzy Osbourne > lyrics... Parents have to understand the incredible responsibility they > have when raising a child.
I definitely agree here. I think there should be a new crime designated, something like "gross firearms negligence," or something, where if someone, including your child, gets hold of your firearm either because you explicitly allowed it or through your negligence, you can be charged as an accomplice in any crime they commit, which means you'll face the same penalty. So, if your kid takes your gun from your closet shelf and blows away a classmate with it, you can be executed. That's my idea. Of course there are problems with it, but on the surface it sounds decent. :)
-Brian
--
"It Was All For Aesthetics, You Morons."
-Matt Peterson
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:00:52 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org> To: The Dance of Ytinrete <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Yowza! Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.21.0003021231180.12057-100000@gs.bass.org>
So much aggression! From whence does it all come? The alpha male genetic trait, perhaps? /me thumps chest and hops around grunting.
First, we need to stop getting personal. Second, there is nothing we can do about the situation. It happened. Finito. Third, we need to come down off our high horses: Euro, Aussie, and Merkin alike. In our respective histories, much can be found to be detrimental to our claims of "superiority." Is this 6 year old any worse than the teenager who entered a suicide pact with his girlfriend and after she spilled her brains against the wall ran to get help?
Josh wrote: >NOBODY can agree on which aspect of our culture is to blame, because NO >ONE FUCKING UNDERSTANDS IT.
Well, we should all be able to recognize George W. for the fucking idiot he is, yet people seem to vote for him.
Steve Z asked about adducting his vocal chords: Shouldn't you just use adduct tape and be done with it?
And by the way, Brad, there are German versions of both PG3 and PG4 (Security). I was not making it up. Much.
paul NP Mastica: '99 "I'm just an Idiot/ at least I admit it" ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul's biweekly musical quote:
Looking within I can see beyond my sight/ The cities, the sky, the planets roll by/ I awake and I die, I awake and I die/ This is the rhythm of life
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:05:24 -0800 From: "Lisa Marie Palma" <firegirl@flashcom.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Guns N' Jazzers Message-ID: <000c01bf8471$e1b63990$f9d80a0a@worldres.com>
Awake . wrote: > The problem is that people aren't afraid of the law anymore. > So have executions in public. People have got to get into the > mindset that insanity or being unaware of the consequences of > one's actions is NOT a defence. The result is still the same. > If you kill someone, you will be caught and you will be > executed - the law should be that simple.
Bring back public hangings (rope is cheap! use it again and again!) - broadcast the executions on Pay Per View, with the proceeds going to the victims' families.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Lisa Marie Palma firegirl@flashcom.net DJ Jessie - www.ytseradio.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:10:45 -0500 From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Ibeenhads... Message-ID: <245F7E2FFC57D311A6DF0090273628B03BF507@AMSC_NTAS>
Wow, I think I need to learn how to write. Or sleep more. Anyway, I think my points get across, even if the grammar is questionable in spots...
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:06:05 -0800 From: "Paul Evans" <evansp3@corp.earthlink.net> To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: How big of a house does this fucking clown need? Message-ID: <00f701bf8471$fa7cd880$305ad9cf@gorilla.it.earthlink.net>
Open your eyes, Nicholas said this:
>The ultimate point is this: Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Guns >just make it easier for those who want to go on a massive killing spree. And >maybe it's because we have more people in our country than other countries >do that give us a higher percentage of people who go light up a Mickey D's >with an MP5. So that means we should ban all guns?
Hmmm, maybe we should ban McDonalds... Right, Mr Gallop? :-)
Paul
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:07:35 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Anyone got change for a Euro? Message-ID: <004701bf8472$35aafe00$0201010a@meserver.meserver.com>
>Maybe it's in your culture to be a bunch of fucking >morons; but just becasue your ancestors were morons
You might want to re-word that, Simon. Probably around 70% of Americans ancestry can be traced back to Anglo-Saxon (European) descent. :) If you say that's the smart 70% I'll let Al Sharpton know so he can fly over there to beat your ass. hehehehe. BLACK POWER! Woo! :)
>consequences of one's actions is NOT a defence.
Hahahaha. You spell defence all stupid. I bet you spell color "colour." What a loser. :) -- KorgX3 deliberately tries to start WW3 over the Ytsejam. NP: Dream Theater - Home.mp3
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:34:59 -0700 (MST) From: TEDESCO MATTHEW A <Matthew.Tedesco@Colorado.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: guns, jazz Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1000302111104.188A-100000@ucsub.colorado.edu>
First, worthwhile music stuff: someone mentioned having a tough time finding Holdsworth material. A great site for jazz in general is http://audiophileimports.com. They have the new Holdsworth album, the most recent Shawn Lane release, and lots of other great hard-to-find stuff.
OK, the gun thing. A few responses:
from Zircon the Blue: > THAT country. The problem is that NONE of us should be telling other > countries that our way is better and trying to change them. Europeans, > Asians, Australians, etc. do not and can not understand our culture, and, > therefore have no right to comment on how we do things (within our borders). > Similarly, we Americans have no right to tell them they should do things our > way. Personally, I think labor unions in France wield entirely too much >
I guess it's fair enough for you to hold this position, but consider the situation. If, as you say, other countries "have no right" to involve themselves in the activities taking place within another country's borders, then surely you believe that no country was justified in actively trying to put an end to the Holocaust. Similarly, imagine some country X, who, as per some cultural norm, put out their cigarettes in little orphan's eyes. You might be outraged (unless you're a moral relativist, in which case again, who's to say, right?), but surely we, within OUR borders, have no right to say what's going on within THEIR borders.
from Korg: > > > Explain that to all of the animals that are put to death every year simply > because they attacked a human? You have to remember, people are merely > animals, too. Yet, it's OK for us to kill everything else, just not each > other. Ah, yes, I forgot. We are "God's chosen" now, aren't we? >
Again, fair enough; I'm all for animal rights myself. Surely, though, you're trying to paint a fine line here with a *very* broad brush. There are MANY arguments against animal rights that make NO appeal to religion, and some of them are quite persuasive. For someone to deny moral standing to non-humans does not AT ALL immediately entail that their argument is a relgious one.
--MATT
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:38:31 -0800 (PST) From: Trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers. Message-ID: <20000302183831.3671.qmail@web504.mail.yahoo.com>
> I've never noticed that from Europeans...... > Actually from the Americans I have met during my > travels in the Navy, I've found them to have the > 'we are the USA and we are bigger and better than > you' attitude, more than any other nationality. > > Most of the Europeans I've met have been very cool, > friendly relaxed and generally down to earth.
Yeah right. And France and the UK, as countries, are just SOOO benevolent, right? *snort* Whatever....
===== *Trent
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 13:53:31 -0500 From: Jens Johansson <jens@panix.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: 0 w a bullet Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20000302135331.03770498@popserver.panix.com>
On 22:38 2000/03/01 -0800, you wrote:
> Guns are not, nor have they EVER been the problem..
Damn straight!! Guns always get the bad rap. But I've recently learned it's actually the bullets that kill people!!
HTH,
--- Jens. (offline) <jens@panix.com> (http://www.panix.com/~jens/)
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 13:30:33 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: guns, nazis, society murders etc. Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000302193033.01786228@pi-r-squared.com>
>And Korg, as much as I always love to read your posts, this time >I have to protest. Who are we to play god? We don't understand >life and the value of it, we CAN NOT degrade ourselves like that, >no matter how convinient it might be. You have problems in >your society, you won't solve them by killing back and setting >examples, locking people up and throwing away the keys etc. >What really happened with that boy I don't know, but whatever >it was, there must be a better way of solving it. >But then again, look who's running for president, a senator >who signed by far the most executions, ironic, but scary... >In god we trust?
I'm stayin out of this one, because my opinion on the subject has been known to anger a lot of people. Let's just say I agree with you, but think it a bit more strongly. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one around here ;)
Palpatine www.pi-r-squared.com/brad/ Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian of Anime-no-kai
"Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel "It was then that the natives offered to kill him for me. I still needed him for a few shots, so I declined the offer. I'll always regret missing the opportunity." -Werner Herzog on Klaus Kinski
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:13:05 -0500 From: "Herbert, Jason" <jherbert@biccgeneral.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: tarred Message-ID: <6D70903196D4D11190680008C728A61D026B1E25@HQEXS01>
>In article <6D70903196D4D11190680008C728A61D026B1E1B@HQEXS01>, > "Herbert, Jason" <jherbert@biccgeneral.com> wrote: >> The problem is that NONE of us should be telling other countries that >> our way is better and trying to change them. > >You know you're an Ancient Jammer if you remember Scott Cook going >apeshit because a non-American told a Clinton joke. :-)
Hmmm...I don't recall that....I think I've been on here since '96 (after ACOS came out)....Was it before then? But while we're reminiscing, I do have some vague recollection of a pair of people (or was it multiple personalities of 1 person?) posting alternately under the names "Fire" and "Ice." Everyone seemed to hate them....Was that on this list?
-Zircon the Blue
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 13:41:19 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: RE: Nationalist snobbery Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000302194119.01775a88@pi-r-squared.com>
>It's because America IS the best country in the world. I think so. So >should you. All Americans should think so. EVERYONE SHOULD think they live >in the best country in the world. Brits should think that their country >rules. Aussies should think that Australia just kicks ass. The French >should believe that France is the creme de la creme. And so on. If you >think that another country is better than yours, then you should do >everything in your power to move there and, if possible, become a citizen of >THAT country. The problem is that NONE of us should be telling other >countries that our way is better and trying to change them. Europeans, >Asians, Australians, etc. do not and can not understand our culture, and, >therefore have no right to comment on how we do things (within our borders).
*snip*
Nicely said. I've always been of the philosophy that the only country or culture you have a right to criticize is your own. However, I'm constantly surrounded by people here in Texas, who yell at me, screaming that I'm a pink traitor and love it or leave it. According to them, you should never criticize your own country, but because we're so great, it is our patriotic duty to criticize others'. No joke.
Personally I think it shows love and respect for a country to want to change it. It show s that you at least care about how things are going there, and are not blindly accepting everything.
As for the Euros on this list, I think they may be suffering just a bit of a backlash from too much of our crap, and the ytsejam is their outlet of revenge. Eveybody just take it easy.
Palpatine www.pi-r-squared.com/brad/ Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian of Anime-no-kai
"Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel "It was then that the natives offered to kill him for me. I still needed him for a few shots, so I declined the offer. I'll always regret missing the opportunity." -Werner Herzog on Klaus Kinski
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 13:43:56 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Only In America Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000302194356.01771408@pi-r-squared.com>
At 07:26 AM 3/2/00 -0800, you wrote: > >Well my friend, you don't live in America. At least in California, I can >walk down the street to a gang who is willing ti kill me because I'm white. >They will get guns no matter what legistlation says. There's nothing that >can be done. Taking guns away from everyone leaves us sussecptable to the >"homies wid da caps" (losers with the guns), who are more than willing to >kill anyone who "disrespects the". Of course, disrespect is doing ANYTHING >they don't like -- it's more of an excuse. The problem here isn't guns, it's >the empithetic assholes who try to say "They don't hav a choice", "It's >their only family" and shit like that, and allow it to continue. >
Count me as one of them. The empathetic assholes that is. I'm not gonna say anything on it, but I at least feel the need to be out in the open with my unpopular opinions ;)
Sorry.
Palpatine www.pi-r-squared.com/brad/ Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian of Anime-no-kai
"Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel "It was then that the natives offered to kill him for me. I still needed him for a few shots, so I declined the offer. I'll always regret missing the opportunity." -Werner Herzog on Klaus Kinski
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 11:22:23 PST From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: been a while.... Message-ID: <20000302192223.63874.qmail@hotmail.com>
...since we had a good flamewar....maybe after we dredged up the pleasant memories of the past, we had to recall our less proud moments, too
I was gonna make a joke about "our right to bear arms", but I figured animal rights types might get pissed off about it :)
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:20:24 -0000 From: "MichaelM" <michael@progmetal.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: TransAtlantic and Platypus Reviews Message-ID: <00d201bf847c$b668dd00$0dfd31d4@fateswarm>
Check two more reviews on these new albums here: http://www.progmetal.net/reviews
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:20:24 -0000 From: "MichaelM" <michael@progmetal.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: TransAtlantic and Platypus Reviews Message-ID: <00cf01bf847c$994dff20$0dfd31d4@fateswarm>
Check two more reviews on these new albums here: http://www.progmetal.net/reviews
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 19:27:34 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: BIG GUNS! Message-ID: <38BEC0A6.20575716@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Nick's Cranium skulled forth the following:
> Heh - I remember being in France and walking past a little toy store... in
Interesting, I remember when Karen and I flew into Paris/DeGaule (sp?), we're riding up an escalator, and there's two berets toting some nice fully automatic hardware. Fairly significant stuff...16s, IIRC. Wonder what they were there for? Never seen quite the display of hardware in our airports here. Saw the same over at Budapest's airport as well.
Could it be perhaps that those airports (DeGaule in particular) are a HUGE stopover point for terrorists?
Hmmmm...
Oh, and how many of those terrorists are American?
Yeah, thought so ;)
Next!!
Don't tread on me, beeeeeeeeeeeyotch!
Superiority complex? Naw....proud of my country? Damn fucking straight!
But I wish we were more unified as a culture, like Japan. There'd be no national debt :P
Then again, cultural (via ethnic/religious/racial/etc.) diversity is what makes living such a wonderful place. Learning to Live with so much of it around you is what its all about. You take the good with the bad.
In spite of the evidence there's something still missing .. One Last Time Until we fade away...
Man, it's so amazing to look at just phrases in DT lyrics and apply them to any context BUT the one it's 'supposedly' about. Apply it to something in your own life, and you'll understand why Myung completely OWNS YOU! Take the stuff about Victoria out of there and just look at the other thoughts in there. Guess I'm too old and get scared about shit sometimes.
I've been listening to this album quite a bit since seeing them last Wed. night and I must say, this is a brilliant concept! Not the surface concept about a girl being murdered and some guy regressing. There seems to be a play within a play here. Love lost, missed opportunity, going back to kill that which you can't reconcile, can't get out of your mind.
"a man pleads forgiveness. his words i can not hear"
I refuse to forgive?
I look at Victoria as Love personified. Nick lost love. You know that one you had that hurt the most; the 'wake-up call' so to speak. Yeah, there's some filler (headlines and all that shit) about a murder thing and all that, but that's just to make you stay on the surface :)
"Flight 1928? Descend and maintain a different footing on a heading of some additional degrees of freedom."
Speaking of death, there's a lot in SFAM about life!! Not about just living, but about LIFE! MYUNG , YOU FRIGGIN' RULE!!! Kevin who?
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:28:59 -0500 (EST) From: Amy Marie Van Wynsberghe <av909596@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Guns N' Jazzers Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.93.1000302142247.12498B-100000@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
> > And as for that kid...Just shoot the little bastard.
It certainly was not acceptable that he killed that little girl, but I hardly think that it makes him a "bastard" His father is in jail and he had been abandoned by his mother at his uncle's drug house...all by the age of six...maybe he could use some help, not death.
>If you kill someone, you will be caught and you will be executed - the > law should be that simple.
How about a trial, should we allow that?? How about the over 80 people who have been released from death row because they were later proven innocent? They probably doesn't matter, huh? Until it is you that is implicated in a crime that you are innocent of. I am certainly not naive enough to think that this justice system is anywhere close to completly just...but it is better than taking people out on the street and shooting them.
Amy
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