YTSEJAM Digest 5367
Today's Topics:
1) Re: I could never see clearly at all, because I couldn't look
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
2) Re: Is the Doc on hir period or something?
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
3) BIG GUNS (part 2)
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
4) Guns, blah, blah, blah - Music content
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
5) Re: Nationalist snobbery
by Coldfire the Gallery Mistress <coldie@bellatlantic.net>
6) Food for thought on AMerican Ethnocentrism
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5360
by FleAOnZe@aol.com
8) Re: *Korg recharges the flamethrower*
by Erik Wahlen <mva@sbbs.se>
9) Re: BIG GUNS!
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
10) Come on guys (and gals)
by Babyfr10@aol.com
11) BIG GUNS (mondo part 3)
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
12) Re: Guns, blah, blah, blah - Music content
by "Josh Calkin" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu>
13) Re: Nationalist snobbery
by "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu>
14) fuck guns,
by "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu>
15) on the virg
by ToxicSheep@aol.com
16) america
by Uroborosss@aol.com
17) dufus
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
18) Re: Public Hangings / Parenting?
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 13:51:12 -0600
From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: I could never see clearly at all, because I couldn't look
Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000302195112.0178aa84@pi-r-squared.com>
At 07:47 AM 3/2/00 -0800, you wrote:
>
>This is fun :)
>
>
>Bradley:
>> Actually, from my experience, it's cuz the Americans are always shoving it
>> in their face at every opportunity and flaunting OUR superiority. There's
>
>Actually, Sir Bradness, that's just the British still left in our
>chromosomal makeup (makeup, get it? BWHAHAHAHAH..."security, please
>escort this man out!"). It generally takes a little more than a couple
>hundred years for the mutations to eradicate the imperfections. We could
>use a little of that German Engineering so help speed the process of our
>final solution. Goddam religious persecution* genes gotta go, man!
>Right? And let's not forget the Haitians who come into this country and
>think they own the god-damned place. Right? Oops, wait how about Mustafa
>telling ME what the fuck is up? I'll rip his fucking head off and shit
>down his neck, Right? You're in America, SPEAK FUCKING ENGLISH DAMNIT!
>Right? And what's with the Mexicans on the friggin' subway? TAKE A
>FUCKING SHOWER DAMNIT! Stop trying to be so friggin' European. At least
>they put on perfume. Oh wait!!! They bought off the self-serving
>Norweigian sperm whale hunters to make them smell good. Oh Shit!!!
>WAIT!! Is that right? I'm so confused!!! Or is that soap they use that
>for. No wonder there's only WHITE people up in scandanavia, they've got
>so much friggin whale soap! Damnit, nothing like a bigot not getting his
>facts straight to screw up a perfectly good ranting ("you must chop down
>the most personally hated cultural system with.........A RANTING!") Or
>perhaps just listen to Zebrowski adducting the anal folds as his
>sphinctre flutters by :)
>
ROFL! Okay, I gotta admit, you got me laughin on that one. But seriously, no
I'm not saying that ANYONE on the ytsejam was being this way, but these
people ARE out there. I deal with them everyday here in the great state of
Texas. Unfortunately, there's a large amount of them in the military (notice
I didn't specify how many, or say majority, or say that the whole military
is like this, so don't jump down my fucking throat people! :P )
>PUHHHHHHLEASE.
>
>Is this all you see?
On some days, but then mommy takes away my marshmallows. *nods sagely*
>
>*God, some of you people need to get out more often ;) Not directed at
>you Brad. It's utterly mind-boggling how much people's perceptions of
>the world have very little to do with what's actually going on there in
>the world.
Agreed.
>
>
>HINT: There are assholes everywhere you look....so stop looking so damn
>hard... :)
hehehe, now there's some advice I could take to heart ;)
Palpatine
www.pi-r-squared.com/brad/
Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian
of Anime-no-kai
"Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel
"It was then that the natives offered to kill him for me. I still needed him
for a few shots, so I declined the offer. I'll always regret missing the
opportunity."
-Werner Herzog on Klaus Kinski
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 13:56:30 -0600
From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Is the Doc on hir period or something?
Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000302195630.017715c4@pi-r-squared.com>
Simon goes off on the Doc again:
>Doc, every single other person on this mailing list
>except you is capable of understanding sarcasm - and
>given that 80%+ of this list is American, and thus has
>a damned good excuse to pretend not to understand the
>concept of sarcasm, that's amazing. A quick tip, OK? When you see this symbol:
> ;)
> at the end of a post, it means the poster IS ONLY
JOKING. That's when someone says something they don't really mean to ilicit
a cheap laugh, in case
>you didn't know.
Man, you really don't know who you're dealing with here. Mosh does not need
a reason to flame you, hell Mosh doesn't need a reason to flame anybody!
Hell! NONE of us need a reason flame anybody :P So shut the fuck up you One
Toed Monkey! oh... and ;)
Obviously, you missed MOsh's sarcasm as well. bleh. :P
Palpatine
www.pi-r-squared.com/brad/
Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian
of Anime-no-kai
"Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel
"It was then that the natives offered to kill him for me. I still needed him
for a few shots, so I declined the offer. I'll always regret missing the
opportunity."
-Werner Herzog on Klaus Kinski
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 19:40:08 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: BIG GUNS (part 2)
Message-ID: <38BEC398.C8A0BB04@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Nick:
> the window they had toys. In the window RIGHT NEXT to it, there were rows
> (ROWS) of 9mm and .40 cal handguns. Good impression. "Daddy, I want THAT
> toy!" *brrrp*
So he can beat those sacre-bleu-ian Americans no doubt :) **
> The ultimate point is this: Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
> Guns just make it easier for those who want to go on a massive killing
> spree. And maybe it's because we have more people in our country than
> other countries do that give us a higher percentage of people who go light
> up a Mickey D's with an MP5. So that means we should ban all guns?
No, just Mickey D's :)
It'll help Steve Z slow it the fuck down a little and Take The Time do
dine ;)
**Friendly reminder to those just tuning in: This is a hard hat/ass area
- go back and read previous digest before jumping into the middle of a
thread and assuming you know where a reply is 'coming from.' This is not
supposed to make sense :)
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:38:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Guns, blah, blah, blah - Music content
Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.10.10003021432130.17752-100000@njmsa.umdnj.edu>
Someone mentioned pay-per-view executions (forgot who, I hope she forgives
me, I deleted the mail)....
Anyway, it reminded me of a Henry Rollins bit, where he suggested that we
do public executions, not necessarily as Pay-per-View events, but as the
halftime shows for all football/basketball/soccer games, or during the
7th inning stretch of baseball games. I forget the quote, but he
basically said that it would show everyone that we're not fuckin' around
anymore and that it would be a deterrent of some sorts (it was pretty
funny).
This from a guy who said that world peace would come about if you took the
two leaders of feuding countries, locked them in a small room, and told
them that they couldn't come out unless one fellates the other. After
that kind of thing happens, whether you give or receive, and regardless of
the homosexual nature of it, the two guys (I'm assuming guys even though
it's not PC) would be so out of it that hatred would be totally forgotten.
he rocks.
-Al
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 14:57:28 -0500
From: Coldfire the Gallery Mistress <coldie@bellatlantic.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Nationalist snobbery
Message-ID: <38BEC7A8.F67CA4F8@bellatlantic.net>
Graham Borland wrote:
>
>
> You know you're an Ancient Jammer if you remember Scott Cook going
> apeshit because a non-American told a Clinton joke. :-)
Oh man what ever did happen to Grinder? He's been AWOL for quite a
while now.
Coldie
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 14:19:43 -0600
From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Food for thought on AMerican Ethnocentrism
Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000302201943.01798f1c@pi-r-squared.com>
My mom taught German at a highschool for over 20 years. Her school
then decided to start an organized program to get rid of ALL foreign
languages in her school, except for Spanish. The official reasoning was
"Since we're in Texas, it's the only one that's practical, and everyone
should speak English anyway". So the counselors would talk people out of
taking her German class until she had only about 10 German I students. THen
they told her that if she wanted to keep her program she had to have 20
German II students by the next year. Obviously that's not going to happen.
This is an example of what I was talking about. We don't even bother to
educate ourselves about other cultures anymore.
*dons his official Ytse-brand flame proof vest*
Palpatine
www.pi-r-squared.com/brad/
Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian
of Anime-no-kai
"Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel
"It was then that the natives offered to kill him for me. I still needed him
for a few shots, so I declined the offer. I'll always regret missing the
opportunity."
-Werner Herzog on Klaus Kinski
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:58:55 EST
From: FleAOnZe@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5360
Message-ID: <31.1eebd4d.25f021ff@aol.com>
stop sending this to me I thought I unsrcirbed how do I stop it
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:03:13 +0100 (CET)
From: Erik Wahlen <mva@sbbs.se>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: *Korg recharges the flamethrower*
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10003021720240.5337-100000@holly.sbbs.se>
On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Dr. Mosh wrote:
>
> Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., "Korg Ecksthrey" thus begged:
> >
> >Here's some flame-bait.
> >
> >I *seriously* think they should execute that 6 year old kid in Michigan and
> >set an example to kids that this sort of shit is intolerable. Fuck peace
> >and love.
>
> No No No, your breaking the rules of the JAM.
> NO MORE DISCUSSION.
>
> -The Doc
>
The Doc's got a point here. What's the point of us having rules if we
don't follow them? And don't give me any of that "rules are meant to be
broken"-stuff. I usually like off-topic discussions, but these discussions
are just too much.
It's not that I find the discussions uninteresting, but I'm not sure if
this is the right place.
As for the Europeans vs. Americans-thread, give it up folks. We all know
that dolphins are far superior anyway!
Erik
P.S.
I *seriously* think that they should publicly spank Korg for creating an
off-topic thread from hell and set an example to posters that this sort
of shit is intolerable. ;)
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 14:24:57 -0600
From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: BIG GUNS!
Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000302202457.0178dd5c@pi-r-squared.com>
>Then again, cultural (via ethnic/religious/racial/etc.) diversity is
>what makes living such a wonderful place. Learning to Live with so much
>of it around you is what its all about. You take the good with the bad.
Damn straight. The diversity is one of the few things that keep me here ;)
At least I can find like minded people out there, I just shouldn't look on
the ytsejam! :P
I know this repulses a lot of people, but I enjoy just walking around my
campus and listening to all the different languages, and observing all the
different cultures. It's fascinating.
Palpatine
www.pi-r-squared.com/brad/
Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian
of Anime-no-kai
"Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel
"It was then that the natives offered to kill him for me. I still needed him
for a few shots, so I declined the offer. I'll always regret missing the
opportunity."
-Werner Herzog on Klaus Kinski
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 15:02:55 EST
From: Babyfr10@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Come on guys (and gals)
Message-ID: <b0.20aebc7.25f022ef@aol.com>
Ok, ok. It's pretty obvious that this whole guns and violence thing has
hit an edge with everyone. This is a discussion group on MUSIC - not a
frickin history class. We've all been taught different things on each of the
wars because - obviously - each country wants to make themselves out to be
the "rescuer." So, we're all going to have different opinions about what
really happened and why - no need to start WW3 over it.
It's sad about what happened to the 6 year old and its even sadder to me
that he can't be charged becasue the Supreme Court decided a long time ago
that children can't for intent to kill. But there are bad kids and bad
parents all over the world - -this is not strictly a US problem - and lets
not make it a nationalistic debate.
Sarah
ps- now aren't you glad to have some women on this jam to bring sense and
light to the world? heheheeee :-)
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 20:28:55 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: BIG GUNS (mondo part 3)
Message-ID: <38BECF07.E5172F85@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Matej:
> do not look at everything as if they are 'superior or inferior'.
> That is so american.
smug and condescending retort. you're no better or worse, in fact i'd
say about equal...hmmmm equal....more on that in a moment :)
> We'd rather use the term better or worse.
there's plenty "us Americans" that prefer the term 'equal' thank you
very much.
"we'd rather use?" as if somehow changing a couple of words (denotation)
makes the connotation or semantics behind which you are hiding change?
this is fucking laughable :))))) i don't give a fuck where you come
from. you come off exactly as smug and superior as what you diss.
> You obviously do not understand european mentality at all. [...]
oh, of course, obviously he doesn't, how could he? and rather than give
him the benefit of the doubt of being a fellow human being capable of
misinterpretation, you'd rather point out how 'obviously' fucked in the
head he is? don't you know that's my job :) being the superior American
and all :P
it's not the pitch, it's the delivery. doesn't matter whose country's
mound your standing on when you deliver the pitch. condescension, like
laughter or a smile, is universal across all
languages/cultures/races/ethnicities...
but yet it's ok for you to:
> I'm sorry I have to make this generalisation,
as well you should be, because therein is where the problem lies. you
generalize and yet you can't even get that right.
when i was in Australia, the perception amongst SOME (see not the
average perception) was that they thought every american carries a gun.
good 'ole media coming to GETCHA!!!
let me tell you something folks, i've lived in this country for a few
years now. i have NEVER seen a shooting on the street. i have NEVER see
anyone pull a loaded weapon in public (erect penises don't count ;).
i've seen a couple of people with shoulder holsters. there are PLENTY of
people who have experienced their years in this country with exactly the
same findings. I'm not saying I won't ever, or i couldn't prevent myself
from seeing it. sure, i know exactly where to go to get into trouble.
this perception about some 'general, average american' and what they're
supposed to be has GOT TO STOP, people! you people are way off!! log
off! stop watching so much tv,movies... it's not healthy. or at least
learn to separate reality from 'spin' that a money-motivated media
machine might make.....
mmmmmmmmm.... Ms ;)
i refer you instead to an actual, breathing, real life, incident of
actual human interaction:
of a high speed train i was on which stopped in Frankfurt, and which
people didn't show the least little bit of fucking courtesy and pushed
their way on, not letting us get off. at 2:30 am, and then after the
train had been there not even 30 seconds, the train type guy on the
platform pushes this woman and her luggage back on the train, with her
husband standing on the platform as the train took off. we get to
darmstadt and wait till something like 3:30 to catch a train back.
here's this poor husband standing there shaking on the platform. he was
Indian, and he and his wife were on their honeymoon (they live in
Canada) and he was not familiar with the trains and he had no fucking
clue where that train was going when it left the station. of course, the
train guy claimed he only spoke German, as i caught him snicker when he
had turned his head to walk away.
out here in Boston, we get out outa the friggin' way to let our fellow
humans exit the subway train first.
now, if i were a real asshole, i'd lump the selfish punks that bullied
their way onto the train, along with the train prick at the Frankfurt
airport stop, that didn't give a fuck about people who - because of
their luggage were obviously trying to catch a plane, duh! - into the
same European category now, right?
but that would be making a 'generalization' now, wouldn't it? who the
fuck
knows why he did what he did?
maybe the train dude guy just didn't get laid that weekend and had to
take it out on somebody.... :)
maybe he's just a prick to begin with? maybe his dad beat the piss out
of him when he was a kid? maybe him mom's nipple was salty?
one has NO IDEA where shit comes from sometimes!!!! so STOP assuming.
STOP THE FUCKING GENERALISATIONS! And stop pretending to know about
cause and effect. It's a lot more complicated (or simple) that it looks
sometimes. And making assumptions about cause/effect that aren't based
in anything but notions.
> but as I see it, you're being bent over and...
and sometimes i see people who think they have it all figured out ;)
> on the other hand, schoolkids shooting at eachother is becoming a fashion,
some disturbing incidences, agreed, but the leap of faith to fashion is
probably do to that old Pentium floating point chipset doing the
statistical calculation on that one :)
> so get off your high horses and look in the mirror.
He says "jump!" I say 'YES SIR! HOW HIGH, SIR?!'
As soon as I finish solving the environmental crises, the economy,
foreign policy problems, how to stop the fucking vegetarians from
killing those beautiful living pieces of celery, how to get that air
bubble out of the needle before I inject another round.....
then I'll tackle the easy ones like crime, pathologies, human behavior
:)
By the way, I hope to be over in Offenbach at Deutsch Flugsicherung
(sp?) (DFS), the equivalent of our Federal Aviation Administration
(FAA), to COLLABORATE AS EQUALS on a project related to aviation safety.
Yep, safety on a plane.... for one and all, even the sons and daughters
of an asshole terrorist in training. The plane makes no distinction :)
Maybe you'd like to hook up so we can beat the piss out of each other in
the name of 'protecting the sacred generalisation'....
or maybe I'll just look for ya in the mosh pit for DT at StadtHalle and
we can crack each other's skulls :)
or maybe we could just go down to a Biergarten and have a few laughs and
enjoy each other's company; and we can each talk about what our minds
think is wrong with each of our own respective countries instead of the
other's. You know so we can learn from each other firsthand? (no
comments from the peanut gallery on the integrity of my firsthand
sources! ;) You know, so I get rid of all that prejudice in my mind like
why the middle/upper class in the West still feel superior, ooops,
better :) than those hard working suffering bastards in the East? And
how the East don't want the West's money and telling them they can go
shove it.
Ok, the non 'spin' version:
So I actually did listen firsthand to a native German (from Bavaria) and
he told me that they are a proud, hardworking bunch of folks over there
in the East. Yeah, they want the better things in life, better
technology, education, just like anyone would. They just don't want a
handout... some would call them fools for not taking assistance from
their fellow countrymen. Man, that's a proud group people if I ever saw
'em!
Neil:
> he shouted "you're doing this to me because I'm Jewish", to which I replied
> "no, I'm doing this to you because you're an arsehole". I tend to view most
> people this way - in any country, religion,
God damn German Efficiency. Says it all in two friggin' sentences!!!!!
BAH!
5000 more digests from now, will people be asking 'you're a 2nd
generation
ytsevet if you remember when...'
ok, I've pretty much blown my load on this thread. I'm friggin' spent...
P.S. My Uncle was cooked in an oven over there. Did you see me ONCE
mention
the N word above; or imply that I hold responsible, you, your
generation,
or anyone else living over there now ? There's more us that have a clue
over here than I think some want to give us credit for. I hope I'm wrong
and the ones not giving credit are few and far between or just a little
unenlightened. My perception when I was abroad, was that this is indeed
the case. You take people as they come, one at a time, as individuals.
People are people. Except for Boy George, of course.... but don't get
me started ;)
The Cldyesale harumphs off at a rather slow pace *clickety clack*,
*neigh*
*clickety clack*, *Tschuus!*, *POOP*, *clickety clack*, *bring out yer
dead*,
*relinchar*, *clickety *POOP* *WILLLLLLBURRRR!* clack*.... :)
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 15:42:27 -0500
From: "Josh Calkin" <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Guns, blah, blah, blah - Music content
Message-ID: <007101bf8487$d27e30c0$47ab889e@plymouth.edu>
> Someone mentioned pay-per-view executions (forgot who, I hope she
forgives
> me, I deleted the mail)....
> Anyway, it reminded me of a Henry Rollins bit, where he suggested that
we
> do public executions, not necessarily as Pay-per-View events, but as the
> halftime shows for all football/basketball/soccer games, or during the
George Carlin did a nice bit on this, too... on the "Back in Town"
disc.... funny shit...
Josh Calkin:
URL: http://members.tripod.com/~DarkHarmony
E-Mail: darkharmony13@hotmail.com j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu
ICQ: 22473371, AOL IM: Mortua, IRC: Mortua
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 15:55:27 -0500
From: "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Nationalist snobbery
Message-ID: <001301bf8489$a3259b40$b7ab889e@plymouth.edu>
> Nicely said. I've always been of the philosophy that the only country or
> culture you have a right to criticize is your own. However, I'm constantly
> surrounded by people here in Texas, who yell at me, screaming that I'm a
> pink traitor and love it or leave it. According to them, you should never
> criticize your own country, but because we're so great, it is our
patriotic
> duty to criticize others'. No joke.
>
> Personally I think it shows love and respect for a country to want to
change
> it. It show s that you at least care about how things are going there, and
> are not blindly accepting everything.
*snip, hack, chop*
Did you vote? Less than half of americans vote. They (we) don't have the
right to criticize. As for change, HA. I have heard alot of people say
they want to change something, but take no measures to initiate change.
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:02:26 -0500
From: "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: fuck guns,
Message-ID: <005101bf848a$9d3ae860$b7ab889e@plymouth.edu>
swords are where it's at.
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:02:29 EST
From: ToxicSheep@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: on the virg
Message-ID: <dd.1effe2b.25f030e5@aol.com>
In a message dated 3/2/00 2:40:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< First, worthwhile music stuff: someone mentioned having a tough time
finding Holdsworth material. A great site for jazz in general is
http://audiophileimports.com. They have the new Holdsworth album, the
most recent Shawn Lane release, and lots of other great hard-to-find
stuff.
>>
..Not to mention On the Virg : "Serious Young Insects", featuring Virgil
Donati. Does anyone have this? Let me tell you that it is one of the sickest
CDs I have ever heard!! Its sort of like Planet X but heavier and has a big
fusion influence....check it out.
adaM
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:08:23 EST
From: Uroborosss@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: america
Message-ID: <38.2d7c4dc.25f03247@aol.com>
> From: "gaz" <graham@renegade2K.com>
> Subject: Re: Kez, guns, and Coldfire.. What a combo!
>
>> Guns are not, nor have they EVER been the problem.. People are the
>> problem. Firearms are nothing more than a power tool. (Labor saving
>> device) Any tool misused or in the wrong hands is dangerous. Let's
>> not confuse the the real issue by assigning blame to inanimate objects.
>
> That's crap, if you don't have the guns in the first place then end of
> story...
I agree completely. Intentions don't come from human beings, it's those pesky
inanimate objects that make all the tragedies happen. If that darned
oil-tanker hadn't decided to throw up all over the ocean, Exxon never would
have been blamed. If that greedy Space Shuttle Challenger wouldn't have
guzzled all that Mountain Dew and suddenly burped, NASA would have had a much
easier year. Then there's the bullet that killed John F. Kennedy... What was
Lee Harvey Oswald doing with that gun, thinking he could control it, when
everyone knows that guns can possess human souls like a hand in a sock-puppet?
Someday man will devise a plan for eliminating all inanimate objects. Then
evil will cease to exist. And so will Dr. Mosh. And so will the Backstreet
Boys.
> Why does anyone need a gun ?
Last summer I was driving around and an Australian jumped onto the hood of my
car. He was frothing at the mouth. How I longed for a .357 Magnum.
> As they say on the news here whenever there's a tragedy like this
> 'only in America' Truer words have never been spoken :)
As they say when things like capitalism create a country with more creative
and economic potential than any other country on Earth in the history of
time, "only in America."
> As they say on the news here whenever there's a tragedy like this
> 'only in America' Truer words have never been spoken :)
As they say on the news here when a tropical continent on the other side of
the planet tries for decades to become an exact duplicate of America only to
fail miserably and regress into a mere vacation-spot for the rest of the
world, "only in Australia."
:)
Bafu Vai
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 21:22:47 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: dufus
Message-ID: <38BEDBA7.7F837982@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Awake. still hasn't:
> and about 65% of Americans - have figured that bit out by
> now...When are *you* going to catch up?
as soon as your arrogant "look at how much larger my cock is than
everyone else's" attitude stops placing speedbumps in his way?
> of the consequences of one's actions is NOT
> a defence. The result is still the same. If you kill someone, you will be caught and
> you will be executed - the law should be that simple.
Typical pompous attitude - how to solve such a complex problem with such
a simple solution in 30 words or less. Kill 'em all, let God sort it
out. Oops, made a mistake in the evidence. Oops, Mr. "bad cop, no donut"
tainted the evidence. Guy didn't really kill them. Oops, Stargate
Resucitator Thingy is offline today. Pull Me Under... If only it were so
simple. My god, life is just so incredible simple isn't it, asleep? How
old are you. by the way?
The problem, dufus, is not that a law needs to be changed. The law works
WHEN IT'S ENFORCED. It's in the enforcement of the existing law. The
problem is that many are slipping through the cracks in the system
because overpaid lawyers are able to plea bargin the shit down, so that
guilty folks either get off completely or are out in a shorter time. The
Before attempting to grow a brain, it's usually a good idea to empty the
shit out first, helps make room.
> >I bet they think the same of you, well,
> >they probably don't think of you
> >at all...
>
> Doc, every single other person on this mailing list
> except you is capable of understanding sarcasm - and
The only one I see incapable is you.
> given that 80%+ of this list is American, and thus has
> a damned good excuse to pretend not to understand the
> concept of sarcasm, that's amazing. A quick tip, OK? When you see this symbol:
> ;)
A slower tip, newbie. Had you had a clue about who Mosh, you'd know his
(and a couple of others on this list) sarcasm isn't always followed by
the supposedly required smiley. Learn to allow someone else to take
control now and then. like we all have at one time or another, learn to
take the reaming and like it, or leave. The day you can learn to laugh
at yourself will be the day you truly AWAKEN!
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 16:28:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Public Hangings / Parenting?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10003021619300.34528-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Lisa Marie Palma wrote:
> Awake . wrote:
> > The problem is that people aren't afraid of the law anymore.
> > So have executions in public. People have got to get into the
> > mindset that insanity or being unaware of the consequences of
> > one's actions is NOT a defence. The result is still the same.
> > If you kill someone, you will be caught and you will be
> > executed - the law should be that simple.
>
> Bring back public hangings (rope is cheap! use it again and again!) -
> broadcast the executions on Pay Per View, with the proceeds going to
> the victims' families.
That sounds an awful lot like George Carlin, Lisa. Shame on you for not
giving credit. ;)
Oddly enough, discussion of this topic (and discussion of the jam) brought
up some really thought-provoking conversation in our student lounge today.
The fact of the entire matter is that regardless of this kid's age, he
needs to know that he is responsible for what he did, even if he didn't
KNOW that it was wrong. The law specifically states that ignorance of the
law is no excuse. Granted, he IS six years old, which means his parents
are going to be held responsible because he is still supposedly learning
what is right from what is wrong.
I knew what was right and wrong at age six. If he had been raised in a
good household, he would too.
On another related subject, this discussion also brought forth from my
mouth the comment that people should get a license or permit from the
government or the state that says that they are allowed to raise kids,
having met all the necessary requirements. People disagreed with me,
saying that there are a lot of people who wouldn't be allowed to raise
children even if they WOULD be good parents.
I say that it doesn't matter. Good riddance - we have enough starving and
ill-treated children in this country, and we don't need any more, if all
that's going to happen is that they'll be abused or ignored. We don't
need that and neither do they. We have a license to operate a car, yet
anybody who wishes to may raise a child? Bullshit - we need to limit
this. Why do they feel that it should be allowed to pass on their genes
even when those genes shouldn't be shared with the rest of the world? I'm
sure we've all heard the phrase "snuck back into the gene pool when the
lifeguard wasn't looking," and yet nobody ever acts upon it. People that
are just plain stupid or who have proven that they can't raise a healthy
and nurtured family just plain SHOULDN'T be allowed to do it.
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a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu
http://cout.dhs.org/
Cloak on IRC
ICQ: 2513441
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Never pet a burning dog.
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