YTSEJAM Digest 5376
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5375
by Oddvar Lovaas <flail@online.no>
2) Christmas disc
by JamesAhab@aol.com
3) Laura Palmer theme
by Bobby Tufino <slimegod@bellsouth.net>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5375
by "Dave Leon" <dleon@cfl.rr.com>
5) RE: YTSEJAM digest 5375
by "Andres Falcon " <anfalcon@cvmail.cl>
6) Re: Orlando show thoughts and news
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5375
by Zartan4@cs.com
8) Re: Orlando show, and news from DT
by "Adriano F. Giacomini" <randy_rhoads@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
9) HOB tape?
by MusicSnob@aol.com
10) Re: Have a twinkie, Charlie Brown!
by "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@antonia.webhost.cl>
11) Re: Same set list
by Babyfr10@aol.com
12) Jordan: ex-member of the Dixie Dregs - why?
by "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@antonia.webhost.cl>
13) Re: DT CD reviews
by "Matt J Lough" <lough@home.com>
14) Re: Orlando show thoughts and news
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
15) YTSEJAM!!!!! DAMN IT!
by Ksue <snusm@rsuh.ru>
16) Stuff/Hey Paul!!!!!!!
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
17) X-Mas CD
by Fett2002@aol.com
18) Newbie from Australia... DT get down here!!
by "Dennis Bilic" <dennisbilic@hotmail.com>
19) much ado over something
by "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com>
20) SFAM REVIEW
by "Jose Luis Ramos" <jlramos@vtr.net>
21) Orlando HOB
by Robert Rivers <gehrig4@seacoast.com>
22) Looking for Acoustic Dreams.
by "Jason Gelnett" <jgelnett@matsci.com>
23) Mulmuzzler
by "Jason Gelnett" <jgelnett@matsci.com>
24) DT's Baltimore area appearances
by crow <crow@ccpl.carr.org>
25) Ooh, my very own flame war!
by "Paul Evans" <evansp3@corp.earthlink.net>
26) Queensryche Tour
by Charlie Farrell <charles.farrell@tesco.net>
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Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 20:47:02 +0100
From: Oddvar Lovaas <flail@online.no>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5375
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20000305204702.0073a854@online.no>
> But, opinions are like assholes, each of has one, and most stink.
Correction: Opinions are like assholes, everybody have one, and yours stink!
By the way: Somebody posted a note, saying they were coming to the DT
concerts in Norway. Unfortunately, I don't live in the capital, (Oslo) so I
can't help your accomodation problems. But if you want to arrange a meeting
or something, just mail me:)
< flail - Oddvar Lovaas - http://home.sol.no/~flail - ICQ: 3253879 >
"Working with John is like taking a shower. It's something you do."
- John Petrucci about Myung
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Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 15:03:44 EST
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Christmas disc
Message-ID: <ea.2a0398e.25f417a0@aol.com>
Got it on Saturday. One question: how do I play the video clip? I open the
contents of the CD in explorer and all it is is audio tracks, nothing else.
Anyway, another great CD. Glad to see Raise the Knife finally see the light
of day. Thanks, fan club guys, oh yeah and those people in the band.
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Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 15:09:17 -0500
From: Bobby Tufino <slimegod@bellsouth.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Laura Palmer theme
Message-ID: <38C2BEED.D72E9364@bellsouth.net>
Hey, just got back from seeing DT in Orlando and Pompano Beach. Both nights were incredible,
although I think they played a little better in Pompano ( despite some feedback type problems
at the beginning of Spirit Carries On). I was wondering if any jammers knew of any place to
get an MP3 of Laura Palmer's Theme, I liked it and would like to hear it again.
Bobby
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Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 15:25:55 -0500
From: "Dave Leon" <dleon@cfl.rr.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5375
Message-ID: <003a01bf86e1$029bed00$6a691a18@cfl.rr.com>
Gaz said:
>This is one thing that has been bugging me for a while now.
With such a large repitiore to choose from why don't the band
>change the set around ?
Surely DT can have some alternate songs in the can to change the
set list around ?
>I am sure DT are sick of playing songs like PMU as much as the
crowd would like to hear something different.
>Surely the band is getting bored shitless playing the same set
night after night ?
>What logical reasoning can there be for this ?
I was glad they played PMU, since I have never seen them live before.
Someone once asked Joe Dimaggio (famous baseball player) after he made a
diving catch during a blowout why he played so hard every single game,
including games where the Yankees were trouncing on the other team. He said
he assumes that everytime he plays a game, it's someone's first time
watching him play.
-Dr. Dave
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Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 17:34:57 -0400
From: "Andres Falcon " <anfalcon@cvmail.cl>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 5375
Message-ID: <200003052038.MAA02027@fugazi.torchsong.com>
DJ Pellaz wrote:
2. Good news for lots of patient fans (way) down south. Dream Theater
WILL tour South America later this year. This is the first time ever
in S.A., no? (James told us this in Atl.)
and so i say: MAN YOU DON=B4T SAY SUCH THINGS LIKE THAT!!!...i have a weak
heart, you want my mom to find me dead over my keyboard?????.
Anyway, you will be forever honoured here as "the bringer of good news", so
you could come to Chile and live happily ever after without even working.
By the way, i think that DT did Brasil a few years ago, for a "Monster of
Rock" tour, so this will not be their first time here.
And now, i just can say what that big guy on Armaggedon said after surviving
the crash: "THANK YOU GOD, THANK YOU GOD, THANK YOU,
THANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOU!!!!"
AntiGring.
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Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 17:01:05 -0500
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Orlando show thoughts and news
Message-ID: <20000305170105.A2578@circe.cs.brandeis.edu>
> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 11:28:29 +1100
> From: "gaz" <graham@renegade2K.com>
> Subject: Re: Orlando show thoughts and news
>
>
> > -- The "train wreck" version of PMU st the Atlanta show was NOT
> > planned, but they'll probably be messing around with it some at
> > shows.... They kinda screwed with it in a similar way at Orlando.
> > As Mike (or maybe it was James) put it, "we've been playing the damn
> > thing for so many years, we gotta do -something-...." heh)
>
> This is one thing that has been bugging me for a while now. With
> such a large repitiore to choose from why don't the band change the
> set around ? Surely DT can have some alternate songs in the can to
> change the set list around ? I am sure DT are sick of playing songs
> like PMU as much as the crowd would like to hear something
> different. Surely the band is getting bored shitless playing the
> same set night after night ? What logical reasoning can there be
> for this ?
My take was that Jordan was still getting used to the material... not
that he couldn't pick more stuff up, but get him into this bit of
material first... Of course, I could b e totally off...
-- +--------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | In the stream of consciousness | Lines In The Sand, taken from | | There is a river crying | Dream Theater's | | Living comes much easier | Falling Into Infinity | | Once we admit We're dying | | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------+ Michael Burstin: mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/ Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email: http://www.cauce.org------------------------------
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 17:09:06 EST From: Zartan4@cs.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5375 Message-ID: <a0.1e99ae0.25f43502@cs.com>
In a message dated 3/5/00 1:21:46 PM Central Standard Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< >From: "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com> >Subject: Some DTC; and a quick, diplomatically-worded reply >For the record, Wiccans are not Pagans, not true. Wiccans ARE pagans, which merely means they aren't Christians (which is nothing to get upset about in and of itself). >> i was going to say this, thanks! :) but my eyebrows raise to the words "nothing to get upset about". read any of the four gospels in your local bible. jesus mentions pagans about a million times. if youre not a christian you wont give a crap, but youll understand *why* it *is* something to "get upset about".
oh yeah, dream theater rules.
ps: while on the subject, wasnt kevin moore a christian? i remember seeing him with a crucifix around his neck (not that this indicates a belief in christ) and i thought most of his rather heady lyrics smacked of religious undertones. "surrounded" is a great example. i also felt some lyrics were anti-establishment (ie: the catholic church in this sense is an "establishment"). does anyone know anything about this? i once asked mike about it and he could only comment on his own lyrics, saying that his were *not* religiously oriented but couldnt say (out of respect for privacy i assume) for the rest of the band. thanks for reading. any comments on the subject would be appreciated. j
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Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 19:24:47 -0300 From: "Adriano F. Giacomini" <randy_rhoads@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Orlando show, and news from DT Message-ID: <9FD0F1CB352F3D11DAFD000A9C4B95C0@randy_rhoads.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
>2. Good news for lots of patient fans (way) down south. Dream >Theater WILL tour South America later this year. This is the first >time ever in S.A., no? (James told us this in Atl.)
If James really said that, his memory must be REALLY fucked up... If they do come to Brazil later in the year, it'd be at least their third time here, if I'm not mistaken... Last time they played in our version of the "Monsters of Rock" festival, along Glenn Hughes, Slayer, Savatage, Saxon, Megadeth and some other bands which have escaped my mind... Hell, somebody even took pics of his ticket and they're posted in the band's website...
Later, Adriano
"A daily dose of eMpTyV will flush your mind right down the drain" DREAM THEATER Dream Theater newsletter - http://www.dreamtheater.net/uacmmail/ ___________________________________________________________ Get your own Web-Based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com
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Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 17:32:03 EST From: MusicSnob@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: HOB tape? Message-ID: <90.179f010.25f43a63@aol.com>
Isn't there a television program that broadcasts shows "live at the House of Blues" or something like that? Could it be possible that the DT show might be show there?
On another note, it's good to see that the feelings of nostalgia and brotherhood have disappeared so quickly on this list. Cyclical idiocy, I suppose.
NP: Dali's Dilemma - Manifesto for Futurism
Kevin
>I'm kinda curious -- will it be a Web broadcast or something? I >heard "Pay-per-view" mentioned at the show.
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Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 20:54:53 -0300 (CLST) From: "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@antonia.webhost.cl> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Have a twinkie, Charlie Brown! Message-ID: <200003052354.UAA04032@antonia.webhost.cl>
> >Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:42:31 -0500 (EST) >From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> >To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> >Subject: Re: Have a twinkie, Charlie Brown! >Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10003031241530.43655-100000@oz.plymouth.edu> > > >On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, Korg Ecksthrey wrote: > >> KorgX3 remarks that even the omnipotent can fuck up sometimes. > >Yeah, I mean... Hell, look at THIS planet. Anybody remember that Far Side >cartoon, the one of God pulling Earth out of the oven and saying, "Oh >darn, looks like I overcooked this one..."?
Actually, what God says in that cartoon is "Something tells me this thing is only half-baked.".
-- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@webhost.cl #include <disclaimer.h> // http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel <*> "Trust me - I know what I'm doing." - Sledge Hammer
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Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 18:59:21 EST From: Babyfr10@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Same set list Message-ID: <bf.15f2566.25f44ed9@aol.com>
gaz wrote: >>With such a large repitiore to choose from why don't the band >>change the set around ?
When I was at the Chicago show one of the roadies recognized me from the Milwaukee shows and he came over to chat - he was actually Jordan and JM's tech. I asked him if the set was going to be exactly the same and he said it would. He then went on to say that the entire show is programmed into Jordan's keyboard in exact order so that by simply by touching a pedal he goes from sound to sound. He also commented on the fact that it doesn't take long for the band to brush up a song and play it - but it takes forever to program it all into Jordan's keyboard. I'm sure this isn't the only reason for similar set lists - but with a schedule like theirs I'm sure it makes changing things a little more complicated.
Sarah
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Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 20:58:52 -0300 (CLST) From: "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@antonia.webhost.cl> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Jordan: ex-member of the Dixie Dregs - why? Message-ID: <200003052358.UAA04172@antonia.webhost.cl>
Ok, I don't want to be killed for asking this, but I've wanted to know for a lot of time, and now I'm asking:
Jordan Rudess was offered to be member of DT *AND* the Dixie Dregs at the same time, and chose the latter.
Some time later, he became available again, so DT kiekd off Derek Sherinian and brought Jordan in. We know all of this... now the terrible question: if Mr. Rudess is so great, *why* did he leave the Dixie Dregs? Was he kicked out? Did he leave? Was the membership a timed thing? Why?
-- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@webhost.cl #include <disclaimer.h> // http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel <*> "Trust me - I know what I'm doing." - Sledge Hammer
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Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 22:20:57 -0500 From: "Matt J Lough" <lough@home.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: DT CD reviews Message-ID: <001501bf871a$fdcaf7a0$636a0d18@abdn1.md.home.com>
man, a couple of the reviews on that page are pretty rough. I had to cringe when reading the first one of I&W.
----- Original Message ----- ]From: Carlos A. Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 11:14 AM Subject: Re: DT CD reviews
> > > > Krewzman@aol.com wrote: > > > Jammers, > > > > I was just "surfing the web" and happened upon a website called Satan Stole > > My Teddybear. The site has tons of reviews and I checked out what was said > > about Dream Theater. The first review of Images and Words is pretty brutal. > > Thought everyone might get a kick out of it. > > > > Go to > > http://www.chedsey.com/list/dreamt.htm > > > > See ya, > > The KREWZMAN > > Yeah some are pretty bad...but others on the page are much better. > > > > -- > > > > Come into this night, Your plight alone > Carry your weight, You are flawed as all of us > Come into this night, You only home > It)Bīs never too late, To repent, suffer the loss > Opeth : Benighted > Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. > mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org > >
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Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 23:59:13 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Orlando show thoughts and news Message-ID: <38C33B21.8C6B246F@home.com>
> Surely DT can have some alternate songs in the can to change the > set list around ?
Gaz, I agree with you about changing the setlist around....
> I am sure DT are sick of playing songs like PMU as much as the > crowd would like to hear something different.
BUT I do wish everybody would just get over the fact that DT is ALWAYS going to play PMU. I know alot of people are sick of hearing it, and Mike has even said that there is nothing more boring that playing it "for the 1,000th time", but let's face the facts: as far as alot of people are concerned, DT is in fact a one-hit band (I don't mean that in a negative way, I'm not calling them a "one-hit wonder" or anything), and of course they are going to play the only radio-hit they've ever had. It's just a given.
- Joe D.
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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:29:37 +0300 From: Ksue <snusm@rsuh.ru> To: "ytsejam@torchsong.com" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: YTSEJAM!!!!! DAMN IT! Message-ID: <3437.000306@rsuh.ru>
Oh Goooooood... I was blind! And now I'm angry! Am I alone or somebody didn't know it too???
Tell me guys, the right spelling of word is ItsY - right? But there's no any pronunciation difference 'tween this variant and YtsE - right?
But what for, tell me!
Most funny thing is that... that YTSEJAM is mirror's reflection of... MAJESTY
Now I'll go to take a shower... otherwise I'll fall unconscious....
sincerely yours, guys, MAJESTIER Ksue
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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 01:45:27 -0600 From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Stuff/Hey Paul!!!!!!! Message-ID: <20000306.020835.11550.0.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
Hey Paul, Glad to see you survived Orlando. hehe the band is gonna release htat on hoem video, and you will feel shame forever (J/K) Since ive gotten back I have worked every damn day, so online time is limited. Most probably the vidoe shot at the HOB was for the monitors all over the place, unless these were pro cameras. The one here in New Orleans has 1 camera fixed on the stage, but ours only holds about 800-1000.
Anyway, the more I think about the more I realize HOW GOOD the whole trip thing really was. Everyone seems almost like family now, and thats something to take with me. Thanks everyone. Matt are you going to publish a hradback copy of your review? I have yet to read it but man, thats long (the review)
Later, Kurt
"and though it leads to nowhere, you part debris and keep on going" - Doubledrive "Gone" "Im inspired and content"-Dream Theater "Scarred" 45.2 % of Americans pee in the shower
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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 04:32:35 EST From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: X-Mas CD Message-ID: <a1.290f911.25f4d533@aol.com>
It's 10:00 on a Sunday night. Do you know where your DT X-Mas CD is?
No, I don't because I still haven't gotten it yet! :( Well, maybe tomorrow? -Mike C.
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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 22:39:46 EST From: "Dennis Bilic" <dennisbilic@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Newbie from Australia... DT get down here!! Message-ID: <20000306113946.96242.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hi all,
This is my first post so be nice...
Firstly, anyone else here from Australia? Melbourne?
I would just like to ask if anyone can confirm if DT is coming to Australia (Melbourne, Sydney...) because we are trying REALLLY hard to do our bit...
Have the Japan tourdates been confirmed? Because the only chance DT will come here is if they can squeeze in a week or so around the Japan gigs...
Thanks,
Dennis ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 08:56:27 EST From: "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: much ado over something Message-ID: <20000306135627.12103.qmail@hotmail.com>
>From: "gaz" <graham@renegade2K.com> >Subject: Re: Orlando show thoughts and news
>With such a large repitiore to choose from why don't the band >change the set around ? >Surely the band is getting bored shitless playing the same set >night after night ? >What logical reasoning can there be for this ?
It becomes a matter of what they have time to rehearse and relearn themselves, not to mention brainwash Jordan with old DT CDs to ingrain the keyboard parts, since Kevin's not around to give him a crash course as he did Derek. A few songs to switch in would probably be easily accomodated, but more might require more time than the band can afford right now.
>From: mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au> >Subject: twin peaks >What is it about a bunch of bad actors, a rediculous plot written by a >grungy weirdo that is so amazingly cool?
the mindfuck and the art of it is generally widely acclaimed among artsy types.
>From: "Alan Estrada" <alan_estrada@hotmail.com> >Subject: Nuno Bettencourt guitar lesson for 1000USD at ebay.com >Guitar Lesson With Nuno Bettencourt I dont think this is real..does anyone >knows?
I've got a feeling it is. there was an article in Newsweek on EBay auctioning wish-services like this.
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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:22:34 -0400 From: "Jose Luis Ramos" <jlramos@vtr.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: SFAM REVIEW Message-ID: <004b01bf877f$cdb8cd20$d8d91bc8@default>
Hi to all The Jammers=A1=A1=A1=A1
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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:35:12 -0500 From: Robert Rivers <gehrig4@seacoast.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Orlando HOB Message-ID: <38C3D030.1D778FC1@seacoast.com>
I thought it was way cool seeing them in the Downtown Disney complex, I think it added some disney magic to the show. I'm sure they had their families with them, and probably spend the day seeing the sights.They seemed really on
The crowd was the best of the 4 shows I've seen. especially the (bounce thing) a good amount of people on the floor bouncing in unison,during the heavy part of Peruvian Skies !!
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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:36:07 -0800 From: "Jason Gelnett" <jgelnett@matsci.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Looking for Acoustic Dreams. Message-ID: <8625689A.005A4C05.00@msc_nt2.matsci.com>
Does anyone have Acoustic Dreams that they might sell...? Please let me know. I can't find it anyplace. Thanks.
Jason
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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:40:17 -0800 From: "Jason Gelnett" <jgelnett@matsci.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Mulmuzzler Message-ID: <8625689A.005AADD6.00@msc_nt2.matsci.com>
I just picked up Mulmuzzler, LTE v 1, and Platypus. Does anyone else feel that Mulmuzzler could have been a Great album with different drums? Don't get me wrong, I like the CD, but I just kept waiting for a killer drum fill or a hard hitting beat. Not that the drums are bad, it's just not Mike P (who is). Juat wanted to hear what you all thought.
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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:40:46 -0500 From: crow <crow@ccpl.carr.org> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: DT's Baltimore area appearances Message-ID: <38C3DF8E.512CD0E4@ccpl.carr.org>
> > Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 15:09:41 -0500 > From: "Matt J Lough" <lough@home.com> > To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> > Subject: Re: DT summer tour?!?! > Message-ID: <001301bf8615$93f1dd40$636a0d18@abdn1.md.home.com> > > > James said the "see you in the summer Baltimore" and "see you in the summer > Philly" at both shows that I went to last week. Usually when they tour for > a CD, they make two rounds through the US. But, until last monday, they > haven't been to Baltimore since Awake. so I don't know where they're going > to tour if they do come back around a second time. hope i helped. later. > > matt > >
Actually Dream Theater did play Baltimore on their Falling Into Infinity tour. They played at Daytona's nightclub which although technically it is in Pasadena, Maryland it is a suburb of Baltimore.
I know this show happened because it was my first DT show. But I can assure you I will NEVER miss them again whenever they hit this area. The Ho-baggers(Bohagers) show last week was even more incredible than the previous show.
I have become a DT disciple now, the world will never be the same.
Chris crow@ccpl.carr.org
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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:54:07 -0800 From: "Paul Evans" <evansp3@corp.earthlink.net> To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Ooh, my very own flame war! Message-ID: <008401bf8794$f80722b0$305ad9cf@gorilla.it.earthlink.net>
Our resident national socialist hurled:
>I'm >unaware to have ever used MATHS (short for mathematics, >don't you know...Oh hang on, did you just get your grammar >WONG? How IRONIC!!!) in a post to the 'Jam.
Precisely. Had you used some MATH, you might have been able to calculate that 2000 (our current year) minus 1789 (the year the U.S. Constitution went into effect) leaves 211 (give or take a few months). You said:
>For Christ's sake, you >brag about your constitution being 300 years old, but >don't you realise that I'm a fucking idiot?
As far as my MATH tells me 211 is not equal to 300... And yes, we do realize that you're a fucking idiot. Hey! Who snuck that in there? :-)
And yes, I just got my grammar, and stop calling me WONG...
>You're welcome to try to locate any examples of me using >poor grammar unintentionally, but you won't find them.
Okay, grammar boy, here's a nifty example of both poor logic and grammar, that directly followed your poor MATH:
>Your basic structure of law hasn't been >updated in that long, because selfish idiots like the NRA >think they have rights - well NEWSFLASH: not any more you >don't.
Logic problem - actually, the laws have not even been in existence for as long as you say ("300 years"). So therefore, they HAVE been updated within "that long"... Consider that the Bill of Rights came about directly after our Constitution, which we previously established as only being 211 years old... BTW, the specific law you are referring to came about because of a selfish English idiot taxing us... (Isn't that ironic?)
Logic problem - selfish idiots like the NRA actually do have rights, Simon...
Grammar problem - "Not any more you don't" what? Oh, maybe you mean the NRA doesn't have rights anymore.
Logic problem - where did the rights go? Did you just take them away?
Grammar problem - "they" (the NRA) suddenly becomes "you"... Now, I'm guessing you are directing your NEWSFLASH to the NRA, but jeez, this is just sucky grammar... :-)
>And lastly, as >far as I'm concerned, my logic is perfectly sound.
Well, after your more recent revelations, I know it's useless to pursue any discussion of logic with you. However, as far as my seemingly cryptic reference to Buffy, I'll leave you with a clue, (quoted directly from you! How exciting!!!!):
>Doc, every single other person on this mailing list >except you is capable of understanding sarcasm -
If you still don't understand, I'm afraid you never will. I imagine 80%+ of us Americans get it... Hey look, I copied some use of MATH from you!!! And you said you never used it...
I could keep going, but I'm bored with this now...
So Simon, continue to flame me if you must, but now that I understand your political orientation (and amusingly, respect your right to have that political orientation), I see that it's useless to continue this. We're never going to see eye to eye (Fates Warning plug). Plus, I'm afraid you may come and goosestep on my ass... Oh, wait a minute, you're not a nazi, you're a commie!!!
I apologize to the Jam for the length of this, but hopefully some of you enjoyed it... I'm done now...
Paul
P.S. Hey! Has anybody heard of this band, Dream Theater? They ROCK!!! Except for certain sections that Simon would have you remove... :-)
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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 17:55:05 +0000 From: Charlie Farrell <charles.farrell@tesco.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Queensryche Tour Message-ID: <38C3F0F9.3CE3FE91@tesco.net>
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 12:31:48 -0500 ]From: "Dan Russell" <drussell@umtownship.org> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Queensryche Tour
>Has anyone on the jam seen the Q2k tour yet? They are coming to Philly >soon and I am not sure if I am going to go or not especially with the >suckness of their last album. Hahahaha I said "suckness" Any way get >back to me if you have seen them. Thanks.
Well I had similar reservations, before I went to see them, here in London at the beginning of February. I'd heard good reports from the first (pre- Christmas) part of the tour in the US and what swayed it for me was hearing that they play a large proportion of O:M in the set ... and so it proved.
I've given Hear in the Now Frontier lots of chances, but it has never grabbed me and the couple of listens I gave Q2K told me that it wasn't going to grab me by the short and curlies either. Even live, this stuff sounds lifeless and the crowd reaction during the newer songs was a pale shadow of the shouting, screaming and jumping about when they played stuff from O:M and Empire. Basically 70% of the set is classic stuff and if you can live with Michael Wilton looking bored while playing the O:M solos for the millionth time and a few crap new songs (time to get a beer/take a leak) then I'd say go!!!!!
We had the pleasure of hearing the Tea Party as support, so I felt I got pretty good value for money from the gig. The quality of the old material and the stagecraft of the band is still worth playing to see.
Charlie
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