YTSEJAM Digest 5379
Today's Topics:
1) Jordan is a bit limited
by "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com>
2) Excuse me?
by "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
3) Re: Jordan is a bit limited
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
4) Re: Jordan is a bit limited
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
5) Re: Setlists
by "Pye, Adam" <apye@kcc.com>
6) Re: Jordan is a bit limited
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
7) Mullmuzzler stuff
by "Phil Carter" <phil@usefulware.com>
8) remove
by Richard_E_Weaver@consecofinance.com
9) remove
by Richard_E_Weaver@consecofinance.com
10) The light-savior is the weapon of the Gentile.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5377
by "Jason Gelnett" <jgelnett@matsci.com>
12) House of Blues cybercast
by Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com>
13) Nuno Bettencourt Guitar Lessons
by Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com>
14) Re: Gaz
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
15) Video
by "Brian Ayers" <briancry@hotmail.com>
16) Re: Voices: A tribute to Dream Theater?
by "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu>
17) Re: Jordan is a bit limited
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
18) Re: You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead
by Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
19) Re: Super Tuesday
by "Paul Tadday" <PaulTad@bigpond.com>
20) Sorry for the thread
by Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
21) Re: Jordan is a bit limited
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
22) Re: Nationalist snobbery
by Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com>
23) Re: Super Tuesday
by Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
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Date: 7 Mar 2000 14:10:58 -0000
From: "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Jordan is a bit limited
Message-ID: <20000307141058.14885.qmail@musone.chek.com>
>>From: Babyfr10@aol.com
>>Subject: Re: Same set list
>>>>With such a large repitiore to choose from why
>>>>don't the band change the set around ?
>>
>>When I was at the Chicago show one of the roadies >recognized
>me from the Milwaukee shows and he came
>>over to chat - he was actually Jordan and JM's tech.
>>I asked him if the set was going to be exactly the
>>same and he said it would. He then went on to say
>>that the entire show is programmed into Jordan's
>>keyboard in exact order so that by simply by touching
>>a pedal he goes from sound to sound. He also
>>commented on the fact that it doesn't take long for
>>the band to brush up a song and play it - but it takes >forever to
>program it all into Jordan's keyboard.
>
This sounds about right. It's such a dumb situation; why
doesn't he stop being so dumb and just use more than one
keyboard like everyone else?! As far as I can tell, the
Kurzweil he uses is an amazing, flexible machine; but if
the above is all true, then he's being limited by the
technology when he could just get a second 'board and
solve the problem!
And besides, how many sounds does he WANT? On that
setlist, he's not using a whole lotta sounds! You can
count them on your hands:
Main pad
Piano
Lead
Sitar for Home
err...
Nope, that's about it!
>>From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
>>Subject: Re: Orlando show thoughts and news
>>BUT I do wish everybody would just get over the
>>fact that DT is ALWAYS going to play PMU. I know
>>alot of people are sick of hearing it, and
>>Mike has even said that there is nothing more
>>boring that playing it "for the 1,000th time",
>>but let's face the facts: as far as alot of
>>people are concerned, DT is in fact a one-hit band
>
While that may well be true, I don't think that DT really
has much of a "casual" fanbase - and I doubt that someone
who heard PMU on the radio nine years ago is going to turn
up to a show now on the off-chance.
It's time to put PMU to bed, methinks.
>From: "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com>
>Subject: much ado over something
>>It becomes a matter of what they have time to
>>rehearse and relearn themselves, not to mention
>>brainwash Jordan with old DT CDs to ingrain the
>>keyboard parts, since Kevin's not around to give
>>him a crash course as he did Derek.
>
Is this right? I thought KevMo left a LONG time before
Derek came onto the picture. KevMo trained him up?!
~Simon
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:18:52 -0500
From: "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Excuse me?
Message-ID: <001501bf8840$11ab80c0$0200010a@steve>
> Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 05:00:50 PST
> From: "Secret_of Area_51" <mysterx51@hotmail.com>
> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
> Subject: Super Tuesday
>
> Hey jammers. I live in California, and we, along with several other
> states, are to vote for President of the United States today.
What the hell is this doing on the jam? I'm all for open discussion, but
this was pages and pages long of off-topic preaching. Cut it out.
And another thing: hey, Skadz, can we get a friendly reminder about
re-posting an entire message to the jam just so the poster can give a
one-line reply? That seems to have gotten out of hand lately.
thanks,
Steve Z
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:44:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Jordan is a bit limited
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10003070940270.25780-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Awake . wrote:
> And besides, how many sounds does he WANT? On that
> setlist, he's not using a whole lotta sounds! You can
> count them on your hands:
> Main pad
> Piano
> Lead
> Sitar for Home
> err...
> Nope, that's about it!
Are you SERIOUS? I think you don't realize exactly how much he DOES use.
For example, there's strings, several DIFFERENT piano patches, drum
samples (such as in Through Her Eyes), several different rhythm presets
that he made (for his solo), the synth brass patch in Beyond This Life...
In addition, the presets that he has to program in have nothing to do with
the patches - that's the EASY part. But he also has to set key mappings
(some keys do different things on his keyboard, and there are different
zones or splits that he uses), ribbon controller settings, pitch/mod wheel
settings. Basically, the K2500/2600 can do ANYTHING with those settings,
so you have to pretty much set everything exactly the way you want it. It
takes quite a while.
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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 15:03:47 +0000 (GMT)
From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Jordan is a bit limited
Message-ID: <499b97b2a1graham@picsel.com>
ReSent-From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
ReSent-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
In article <Pine.BSF.4.10.10003070940270.25780-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>,
Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> wrote:
> In addition, the presets that he has to program in have
> nothing to do with the patches - that's the EASY part. But he also has
> to set key mappings (some keys do different things on his keyboard, and
> there are different zones or splits that he uses), ribbon controller
> settings, pitch/mod wheel settings. Basically, the K2500/2600 can do
> ANYTHING with those settings, so you have to pretty much set everything
> exactly the way you want it. It takes quite a while.
With this convoluted setup, I can't envisage DT suddenly jumping into an
impromptu jam or cover version any more, like they used to with Derek.
Seems to me like if Jordan doesn't have the entire show planned out from
start to finish, note for note, then it's all going to go horribly wrong!
"Uhh guys . . . wait up . . . you didn't tell me you were gonna do this!!
Wait!!!! STOP!!!!!!!!!"
-- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland------------------------------
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:29:02 -0600 From: "Pye, Adam" <apye@kcc.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Setlists Message-ID: <CF2C9F6501B6D211862500805F15297F03EB3A9E@ustcax09.kcc.com>
Gaz said:
> This is one thing that has been bugging me for a while now. > With such a large repitiore to choose from why don't the band > change the set around ?
Man, I've been begging (bitching?) for this for YEARS on the 'Jam. Admittedly, a big reason is because I trade for as many shows as possible on each tour and having twenty bootlegs of the same setlist just doesn't get me going as much as it used to. It used to be that I was thankful for whatever shows I could get, but since probably 75% of the shows that DT plays now are pretty easily available on DAT, MD (grrr), or CD, I'd really like to see some variety.
More importantly, tho', is the fact that everyone knows what's coming beforehand. Even if you aren't on the Internet, you kind of figure out what's going on when they play four or five straight songs from SFAM to start the show. The crowds I saw got really excited for the first couple of songs, then a bit stagnant for much of the middle of SFAM, even Home, since they knew exactly what was going to be played for the next hour or so. I never have been and never will be a fan of doing any album, including concept albums, straight through live.
Owell, I've complained for years and it's never done any good, so why would it now? :)
The show is great, by the way, just too static (imo) to really reflect how good Dream Theater really is...
Adam
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:31:21 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Jordan is a bit limited Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10003071027070.34990-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Graham Borland wrote:
> With this convoluted setup, I can't envisage DT suddenly jumping into > an impromptu jam or cover version any more, like they used to with > Derek. Seems to me like if Jordan doesn't have the entire show planned > out from start to finish, note for note, then it's all going to go > horribly wrong!
I don't know about that. The way he had the show set is to change patches with a foot controller that he hit with his left foot (for those of you that don't know how he did it). Each time he hit the pedal, it changed from one preset to the next in the set. I think that if he knew ahead of time what covers or things they MIGHT be doing ("okay, guys, here's the list of potential songs") then he could have several presets in the keyboard itself, instead of in the rack unit, that he could use at the touch of a button. Also, there are TONS of built-in presets in the board, and a lot of them are great for stuff.
I think all he would have to do is set whatever settings he wants in the board with the buttons, and then to go back to the regular show, all he'd have to do is hit the pedal again, which would immediately set it for whatever was next in the program.
Remember, he did Three Minute Warning completely impromptu - I doubt he knew ahead of time what he was going to use there - and it sounds great!
> "Uhh guys . . . wait up . . . you didn't tell me you were gonna do > this!! Wait!!!! STOP!!!!!!!!!"
ROFLMAO
NP: Liquid Tension Experiment - Kindred Spirits.mp3
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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 10:35:49 -0500 From: "Phil Carter" <phil@usefulware.com> To: Scenes From a Ytse <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Mullmuzzler stuff Message-ID: <4.1.20000307102340.0092ff00@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
mikel remarked: >Ive only heard His Voice off Mulmuzzler, but from what Ive seen of Mike M >he's seems like one of the most 'wow!' drummers out there. The guys >incredible and very flashy, so Im surprised you say this about the CD. >Any further comments?
Yes. Mangini's star really shines in a live environment; most of the time he tones down his monster playing on studio CDs. A good thing, otherwise I think he'd be getting more attention than the artist who's purported to be the star of the disc! :)
Mangini's touring with Vai now. If they come anyplace near you, GO SEE 'EM. If you are a drummer, you'll be shocked by Mangini's playing. He frightens ME, and I play keyboards. :)
The MadTabber remarked: >Surely, the friendliest guy in the band now. I will >be making that interview available in about 1-2 weeks >if anyone is interested.
Hell, yes, Brandon. Any info we can get about Rudess would be welcome. Post it here, man! :)
The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y. (dude, how come you didn't make the Atlanta show??) :) remarked: >I spoke to >James, and he told me, to my delight, that there will definitely be >another Mullmuzzler album. He didn't say anything about who would be >playing on it or writing with him, but I don't really care :)
Ah, but he *did* tell us when we saw him in Atlanta. The second one will be done with the same lineup as the first. Evidently he likes working with those guys. Can't say I blame him.
Guillory, how come you didn't come visit with the rest of the Ytses at the Atlanta show, man? James said you were there, but we never saw ya. :)
cheers, Phil
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:06:16 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: The light-savior is the weapon of the Gentile. Message-ID: <006e01bf884f$1be43dc0$0201010a@meserver.meserver.com>
>uuhhh...i dont get it. did i just get flamed because i asked a question >christianity? if this is the case, i did not know i wasnt supposed to.
Damn, and I thought it was cool to make fun of Christians! My bad. I was going to complain about people posting religious BS on the 'jam but after Mr. Super Tuesday's convincing post, I think I'll just jump on the "I wanna be like Christ!" bandwagon and go to church this Sunday. Heck, I may even become a pro-lifer! -- KorgX3 says, "Learn to be Jewish not you must. Only then a Gentile will you be." NP: Savatage - Jesus Saves.mp3
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 08:34:46 -0800 From: "Jason Gelnett" <jgelnett@matsci.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5377 Message-ID: <8625689B.005B0082.00@msc_nt2.matsci.com>
I am not saying that he is bad in any way, just not as good. I have listened to it about 5 0r 6 times now and I have to say it is a very good CD. It will grow you. If you are thiking about giving it a chance do. Does anyone know where Mike M and the rest of the band on the Mulmuzzler cd are from?
Jason ____________ Subject: Mulmuzzler.
> I just picked up Mulmuzzler, LTE v 1, and Platypus. Does anyone else feel that > Mulmuzzler could have been a Great album with different drums? Don't get me > wrong, I like the CD, but I just kept waiting for a killer drum fill or a hard > hitting beat. Not that the drums are bad, it's just not Mike P (who is). Juat > wanted to hear what you all thought.
Ive only heard His Voice off Mulmuzzler, but from what Ive seen of Mike M he's seems like one of the most 'wow!' drummers out there. The guys incredible and very flashy, so Im surprised you say this about the CD. Any further comments?
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:27:27 -0500 From: Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: House of Blues cybercast Message-ID: <20000307.130524.-770977.1.Axeman_dannl@juno.com>
>Does anyone know a way to videotape this off the computer? Anyone have >any success with this?
There are programs (can't remember the names of them) that will save streaming media broadcasts. Try going to www.download.com or a similar site and dig around. I used to have one of these programs and it seemed to work pretty good.
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:21:17 -0500 From: Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Nuno Bettencourt Guitar Lessons Message-ID: <20000307.130524.-770977.0.Axeman_dannl@juno.com>
>>Subject: Nuno Bettencourt guitar lesson for 1000USD at ebay.com >>Guitar Lesson With Nuno Bettencourt I dont think this is real..does anyone >>knows? > >I've got a feeling it is. there was an article in Newsweek >on EBay auctioning wish-services like this.
I was listening to an interview with Angus Young, he did the same thing recently.
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:37:30 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Gaz Message-ID: <200003071837.KAA17084@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., Fett2002@aol.com thus begged: > ><< > Anyone know where I can get some really good porn? > > -Mike > > C :) > > No, I think you need to look for a brain before you look for porn. > To use one of Brian's lines: > 'You're an idiot' >> > >It was a joke to break up the fact that some people are WAYY too serious on >the jam, you jackass. Chill out. Plus, do you really need to make 20 fucking >posts a day? To use your own quote, 'If you don't have a sense of humour or >are too stupid to understand sarcasm don't complain to me, because I don't >give a shit" > -Mike C.
Ahhh... perhaps you don't get the humor of GAZ, but alas, do YOU need to reply to him?? Do YOU need to be logged in from AOL?? Do YOU need to be subscribed to ytsejam?? Do YOU need to be Mike C???? Well, alas, we don't give a shit either...
-The Doc
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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 12:42:22 CST From: "Brian Ayers" <briancry@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Video Message-ID: <20000307184222.88631.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hi everyone, I agree with some of the other members, in that I really hope that tthe band releases a video of the current tour. It would be tragic not to capture such a monumental moment in the band's history on video! (Better yet DVD!) I just finally picked up "Five Years in a Livetime", and for anyone that hasn't, do so as it's wonderful. With this video and the Live in Tokyo video having a lot of behind the scenes type thing, this tour would be great to capture the band on stage, the whole concert! For those of you that haven't visited my site, please do so. The URL is below... I don't know hopw many of you are into other bands like Marillion, IQ, Arena, and Yes (I suspect a few!), but I have sites for them also. The Progressive Waves site has links to all of my sites, as well as hundreds of links to other prog sites.
Peace, Brian
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:59:34 -0500 From: "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Voices: A tribute to Dream Theater? Message-ID: <003101bf8867$4769fa80$b7ab889e@plymouth.edu>
> > http://www.Geocities.com/SunsetStrip/1237
for a laugh click on the link and have a listen, thanks for brightening my day Mike. Half Human.
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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 13:33:21 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Jordan is a bit limited Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000307193321.01d63cb4@pi-r-squared.com>
>While that may well be true, I don't think that DT really >has much of a "casual" fanbase - and I doubt that someone >who heard PMU on the radio nine years ago is going to turn >up to a show now on the off-chance. >
Ummm don't be so sure. There's a number of us Houston folk who fit that description and are first timers going into the Dallas show this week. It's more common than you think. On the other hand, I don't really care if I hear PMU live.. it's not my fav DT song by any means.
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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 21:10:11 +0200 From: Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead Message-ID: <38C55413.9AB5AD25@yahoo.com>
> > > >Why do Americans actually drink and smoke, unlike > >those damn Euros (and I mean actually *inhale* when > >they smoke and drink *real* alcohol). It's part of > >our heritage. I don't totally understand the mindset, > >but a big part of my country's history and founding > >involved a gun in some capacity or another. What I > >don't get is why all those damn Euros have that smug > >fucking superior attitude about everything when > >America has bailed them out of more scraps than was > >seen in their previous history. Just don't get it. > >But ah well, maybe it's part of their culture to bite > >the hand that protects them. Go fig!
This is certainly not the truth, you should now remember that maybe the whole continent doesn't think like one fool poster to the 'jam ;) (huh) > > Actually, from my experience, it's cuz the Americans are always shoving it > in their face at every opportunity and flaunting OUR superiority. There's > not a day that goes by without some politician, business-man, or reporter > talking about how much better we are then every other country in the world. > Personally, it gets on my nerves, and I'm an American! Down with imperialism! > This on the other hand might hold some seeds of truth here, but I wouldn't blame the whole thing on that. Still, I have always wondered what some, note SOME of you "yankees" ;) see in us. We're not that special, as many of you (hi there Trent ;) have noticed. But the same stands with you too...
I guess much of the fraction between the Old and the New World is very old at roots, all the way from those fuckin' wars, they were such big scenes in the play of the mankind that easily won't they be forgotten (can you actually form a sentence like that ?!) Anyway, what I mean is that there has been stuff enuff to cause some bad blood between the continents, let's not let 'em ruin what's still healthy (in the void of a better word). Please, do not judge 330 million people by the words of one ignorant. At least, think about it, and then leave it...This is getting boring, no wait, it has been...from the start !
- Jaska aka Winger
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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 06:14:54 +1000 From: "Paul Tadday" <PaulTad@bigpond.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Super Tuesday Message-ID: <000701bf8871$cf1b0640$e74c868b@user>
Hey Dickhead,
I live in Australia and guess what?? I couldn't give a rat's toss so stop spamming this list with your shyte!!!
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----- Original Message ----- ]From: Secret_of Area_51 <mysterx51@hotmail.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Tuesday, 7 March 2000 11:10.PM Subject: Super Tuesday
> > Hey jammers. I live in California, and we, along with several other > states, are to vote for President of the United States today. > > If you want a liberal Democrat in office, please ignore this message > entirely. > > If you want a conservative candidate who will stand up for our values and > the words of our Declaration of Independence, then I urge you to consider > what I have to say here.
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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 21:18:56 +0200 From: Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Sorry for the thread Message-ID: <38C55620.F5C4E784@yahoo.com>
I know what I wrote in my previous mail, and I just realized that it was almost a week old post I replied, so my deepest apologies if any of you now feel I actually continued this thread unlike what I posted earlier...Again, I am very sorry. Please, if anyone is so offended 'cause that post please take the replies into my personal address, it goes like this:
It is the real one, so I'm not fooling you.
Once again, apologies.
- Jaska aka Winger
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:33:03 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Jordan is a bit limited Message-ID: <200003071933.LAA18185@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., Brad Plumb thus begged: > > >>While that may well be true, I don't think that DT really >>has much of a "casual" fanbase - and I doubt that someone >>who heard PMU on the radio nine years ago is going to turn >>up to a show now on the off-chance. >> > >Ummm don't be so sure. There's a number of us Houston folk who fit that >description and are first timers going into the Dallas show this week. It's >more common than you think. On the other hand, I don't really care if I hear >PMU live.. it's not my fav DT song by any means. >
This is one of the most retarded threads I've ever read. PMU is a classic, it's what really "broke" DT out... why would they stop playing it? It sure beats the crap out of the other crap like FII and SFAM when you hear it next to most of those songs...
-The Doc
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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 21:37:53 +0200 From: Janne Jokitalo <janne_jokitalo@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Nationalist snobbery Message-ID: <38C55A91.9C5DFD96@yahoo.com>
Graham Borland wrote: > > You know you're an Ancient Jammer if you remember Scott Cook going > apeshit because a non-American told a Clinton joke. :-) > > -- > Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd > graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland
I'm not one (an Ancient Jammer) but still that made me burst out laughing so hard that my stomach hurts ;-) Just imagining the situation...
- Jaska aka Winger
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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 12:34:38 -0700 From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Super Tuesday Message-ID: <38C559CD.6010A76B@imap1.asu.edu>
Heheheheheh, well that was a pathetic attempt at winning votes. Especially sending it here on the jam? What the hell was that about? Selling out Republican values? Huh?
Heheheh, politics.
I urge you as a ytsejam community to spread the votes and write in "D-Man" this Super Tuesday! A candidate with heart, girth, and hootenanny! A man who can get the FAQ done! A candidate with an impeccable taste in music!
Most people know about those "other guys" who aren't worth mentioning in this email. The fact of the matter is none of those guys have any intelligence. They do NOT know what progressive metal is. How can you have any intelligence if you don't like progressive metal? How can you eat your pudding if you don't eat your meat?!
John McCain is a hypocrite (I don't need examples or reasons for labelling him as such, the New Times said he was so it must be true), a pagan diety, and the bane of all existence. To vote for him would be a vote against America! George W. Bush is his little competitive monkey bitch, magically elected by the Republican party to take over this great wonderful indian oppressing country of ours. Surely we do not want a leader who can be beaten in a Jeapordy lightning round by Saddam Hussein?! Alan Keyes isn't worth it, we all know he's just draining the votes from D-Man!
D-MAN! D-MAN! D-MAN! D-MAN! Ohhhhhhhh say can you seeeeeeeee.....
~Eckie voted for the dude who called the majority whip a "fucking idiot" right in his face, the same dude who won't say what he thinks we want to hear, the guy who was hanging by his testicles in a vietnam prison camp while another was snorting coke in college, and the only candidate from AZ
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