YTSEJAM Digest 5382
Today's Topics:
1) RE: Jordan is a bit limited
by "Vaughn, Brandon" <VAUGHNB@CHIPOLA.CC.FL.US>
2) Mike Bahr CD question.
by "Jason Gelnett" <jgelnett@matsci.com>
3) Moonspell, Paradise Lost...
by "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu>
4) Fans that go too far...
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
5) Re: keys, etc.
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
6) Shut yer bootleggin', whining', PYE hole :)
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
7) Re: QR Atlanta show
by Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5381
by BrianSteedman@aol.com
9) prog ftp
by ProgMetal <progmetal@mindspring.com>
10) DT as a goth/doom metal band?
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
11) need a minor favor
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
12) multi synths
by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
13) My first Post !
by Emre Topuzoglu <Emret@ispro.net.tr>
14) New Superior demo
by Bernd.Basmer@t-online.de (Bernd Basmer)
15) Any Traders ?
by Emre Topuzoglu <Emret@ispro.net.tr>
16) Re: Jordan is a bit limited
by Andreas Schaefer <jerry@muc.de>
17) FTP SITES ?
by Emre Topuzoglu <Emret@ispro.net.tr>
18) RE: Jordan is a bit limited
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
19) Kevins crash course to D'rek
by "Tibor Varady 2.0" <lawinen@freemail.hu>
20) Jordan only dreams in Infrared.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
21) Keyboard Glue
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
22) Re: CD-R vs Original Pressing
by Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com>
23) Re: FTP SITES ?
by "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu>
24) RE: Jordan is a bit limited
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
25) DT Pay-Per-View Cybercast on April 9!
by MTeiper@aol.com
26) keystuff
by "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
27) Re: Special Moments
by "Greg Kampf" <gkampf@mondenet.com>
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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:36:35 -0600
From: "Vaughn, Brandon" <VAUGHNB@CHIPOLA.CC.FL.US>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: RE: Jordan is a bit limited
Message-ID: <41303F74D60DD111B56500609778A79CA5C212@EXCHANGE1>
Okay,
Obviously a lot of you guys haven't had much exposure to Kurzweil
keyboards.
First off, I interviewed Jordan and took pics of his stage setup.
To set the record straight, he actually is using 4 keyboards on stage:
1 K2600
1 K2500
2 racks (K2600 and K2500)
but he only plays on one keyboard the entire show (the K2600). He uses
several of the same keyboards so that 1) there can be instant changes in
his sounds, 2) he can have 512 megs of samples loaded (if he wants), 3)
192 voices of polyphony, 4) and ultimate communication between keyboards
(since they are basically all the same).
Now, about the fact that he has his songs programmed in... I think you
guys think this is set up to MIDI or something. It is not. He controls
the flow by a footswitch. Basically, when he hits the switch, it
automatically switches to the next patch for the given song. It is the
equivalent of a guitarist switching patches with a footpedal. Imagine
Petrucci running back several times during a song and hitting some
buttons really quick before his solo, running back after the solo to
switch back to rhythm, ...
It is actually something I've seen few keyboard players actually
discover and use.
There is a little give and take because of this. But it does not bind
the band down in anyway. They could go off into an impromptu jam at any
point. Jordan would simply not press the pedal. Just keep on the same
patch or manually switch to something else he wants. I'm not sure if he
could just hit the pedal and go back to the next part of the song, or he
might have to set up the pattern again (which wouldn't take but a couple
of seconds). But it is not like the minute they start the concert, they
are forced to go with Jordan's keyboard patterns. He can stop and start
the sequence anywhere in the concert.
So, Jordan is not limited, and the band is not limited.
Actually, if you've seen them in concert, you'll notice that the setlist
they play has some improv in it. Just not in a major way.
The MadTabber
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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:50:11 -0800
From: "Jason Gelnett" <jgelnett@matsci.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Mike Bahr CD question.
Message-ID: <8625689C.005C675B.00@msc_nt2.matsci.com>
Are there going to be any more or new Mike Bahr CD's. Forgive me if I am
repeating a question, but I want to get some Rare DT without paying $35-50 on
the secondary market. Thanks,
Jason
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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:58:30 -0500
From: "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Moonspell, Paradise Lost...
Message-ID: <003a01bf891f$88023220$b7ab889e@plymouth.edu>
I have seen Moonspell mentioned a few times in passing on this list and
I was wondering how familiar everyone is with them. Moonspell, along with
Paradise Lost have softened recently. I don't really know what to make of
it. What does everyone think? I personally like ALL Moonspell music, but
One Second by Paradise Lost is not so good. They are very similar and have
similar roots, but I am sort of confused as why bands are changing to this
new (NWOBHM) movement. I haven't hear enough of Q2k to say the same thing
is happening with them, but according to Hear in the Now frontier and
Promised land, they seem to be doing it too.
Kenn.
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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:58:43 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Fans that go too far...
Message-ID: <001a01bf891f$94f5ee40$0201010a@meserver.meserver.com>
> - this isn't music for the casual listener. I think the majority of
> at the shows are those who have at least a couple of DT albums, not
Dont' forget, too, that Phish Theater carries around their own little
entourauge around with them. I mean, how many people on this list went to
see more than one show? :) There was a guy at the SLC show that sounded
like he'd been to one in AZ, two in CA, the one in Las Vegas, the SLC one,
and was headed to the one in Denver. hehehe.
Not to mention that DT has one of the most dedicated fanbases I've ever
seen. It's amazing what distances some of these people will travel to see
them. :) Like Max who "fucking flew into fucking Boise from fucking Spokane
and made the fucking drive to fucking SLC to see the best fucking band in
the fucking world." :) Shit, I've never heard a guy use a profane adjective
so much. hehehehe.
So just keep in mind that DT might not be packing a whole bunch of people
from city to city, but rather just packing the same 1000 people that migrate
from show to show. :) Either/or what can they complain, it pays the rent.
-- KorgX3 has a green thumb and it snot from pulling weeds. :) NP: Bryan Adams - Somebody.mp3------------------------------
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:00:00 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: keys, etc. Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10003081142150.10369-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, Steven Zebrowski wrote:
> > Why not? Just punch in an appropriate patch by hand.. > > Would that screw up the increment of programs set up on the pedal? > (Not trying to be obnoxious, I really don't know.)
The keyboard is not what stores the patches for the show - it's actually his rack-mount unit that changes the patches via MIDI stuff. So (and I'm pretty sure, but not absolutely positive on this) he could punch stuff in by hand, and it wouldn't change a thing. As soon as he hit the pedal again, it would snap back into program order.
When I saw the show in Boston, he was punching things in by hand every now and then (possibly to change tiny little things that he wasn't so happy with).
> Yes. I thought his technical performance was fine. (And Chopin's > Revolutionary Etude is quite a technical feat!) It was very cold, > though. Little dynamic variation. Stolid tempo with almost no rubato > whatsoever.
The Revolutionary Etude, though, has very little dynamic variation to begin with. The only soft parts in it are the fast runs in the left hand; other than that, it's SUPPOSED to be very militant and hard.
> And he didn't play an acoustic piano. He played that damn Kurzweil. > (Which probably contributed to the lack of dynamics.) The Kurzeil > piano sound is amazing, but next to those real pianos on the rest of > the CD, it just doesn't cut it.
Personally, I think Kurzweil's piano samples are the most realistic in the world. I've heard tell of a Bosendorfer baby grand sample that, when you hit the keys hard enough, actually makes the bass strings vibrate against each other and buzz because in a real Bosendorfer baby grand they're too close together. If you really want to hear how realistic the Kurzweil and Sweetwater Sound grand piano samples are, head over to http://www.sweetwater.com/sounds/CD_AUDIO_stratus-rsi/02-grand_pianos.mp3 or, if you'd like to hear the other audio demos, check out http://www.sweetwater.com/audio-demos/home.html for other info. I think that you're not giving enough credit to our friend Jordan, and I personally think that his Kurzweil (due to bad engineering on the other pianos) sounds MORE realistic on that CD than do all the others.
> Which isn't even the issue. The issue was that the one-keyboard setup > limits him and the rest of the band, whether he realizes it or not. > The answer is yes.
I personally don't believe that it does. Just because nobody has SEEN them bust out into a jam doesn't mean they WON'T. That's the real question here - this all spawned out of the question "why won't they change the setlist around" and turned into a debate about whether or not Jordan is limited by his use of two keyboards (there IS a second keyboard that he puts on his rack unit). I think that if he were limited, he would add more keyboards, but he doesn't feel he is and as such feels comfortable playing on just one.
> ps - besides, it just LOOKS so cool to have a million keyboards up > there. :)
Whatever happened to the "it's all about the sound" thing? Since when does what the music LOOK like get so important?
Besides - I think having a LOT of keyboards is limiting. How can you change the setups on 5 keyboards all at once?
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- Once I wept for I had no shoes, and then I met a man who had no feet. So I took his shoes. I mean, it's not like HE needed them, right? -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 17:05:35 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Shut yer bootleggin', whining', PYE hole :) Message-ID: <38C6885F.B9193593@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Pye creamed [;] :
> Treat the people that go to more than one show to something different every time out, > or people won't go to as many shows... Bah... :)
heh. And how do you propose they know the makeup of the audience? Perhaps have a Frequent Dreamer Points Card that you swipe through on entry to each gig? The setlist is electronically displayed on stage monitors and James "What are we a fucking jukebox?" Labrie clamps his trap and complies? ;)
James: "Hi, I'd like to point some interesting demographics for you all tonight. We have 28.54% folk here tonight for which this is their 2nd show this tour, 56% for which this is their 4th show, and Adam who pulled away from the pack long ago, this his 17th so far this tour. Interestingly enough,thought, everyone wants to hear Scarred tonight.....so we're gonna play Anna Lee three times in a row, just for you Adam! The rest of the night shall be the record scratching at the end of SFAM" :P
MUAHAHAHAH!!!!!
You know I love ya, Adam :) Just a little jet lag here from the cranky old man...
They did the Mosh...they did the Crankster Mosh:
> All the rest of you bitching can suck my collective ass.
So Doc is Borg? That might explain some things.
> I personally vote for the Killing Hand.
It was nice hearing the oldies but goodies this tour even if only in snippet form. Given Emerson's influence on Jordan, my vote goes to Light Fuse... Have they ever done a version of that with James on vocals?
',',',',',',',',',',', <- It's rainin', rainin', on the streets of NYC....
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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:11:23 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Smith <ktulu@arches.uga.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: QR Atlanta show Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.10.10003081205550.48684-100000@archa13.cc.uga.edu>
Paul Cashman wrote: << QR played the same venue that DT did -- the Tabernacle. Interestingly enough, I'm told by my roommate Tim, who was at QR, that they didn't sell anywhere near as many tickets as DT did. (I'd rather not give the reason why I didn't attend, but...... it involves Kelly Grey and DT.) Well, that, and they've been pretty damn disappointing of late.
For DT, the uppermost balcony was open, for QR it was not. DT sold about 2150 tickets (plus some comps). Including comps, QR didn't quite do 2K. A bit startling....but not too surprising. <<<
Yup, I was there; it was a great show, it was lots of fun, and there were definitely not nearly as many people there as there were for DT. I was pretty pumped about that. I was on front row again (first one to the venue and in the door, actually), and I read a newspaper during the Q2K stuff. It was pretty brutal and hilarious :) The non-Grungeryche songs were great though, even though Kelly didn't nail a couple of the harmony solos, for which I flipped him off repeatedly. All in all, a really fun show.
=========================================================================== Now Playing: Edguy--Kingdom of Madness =========================================================================== MATT SMITH ktulu@arches.uga.edu
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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:48:28 EST From: BrianSteedman@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5381 Message-ID: <55.3081e5d.25f7ec6c@aol.com>
<< and was wondering what everybody's opinion was on CD-R's compared to the original pressing of bootlegs. >> Well, I have a CD burner, and usually the CD replication is flawless, but every now and then I'll get a CD that has this low noise scratching sound, but I would recommend them.
The Spirit Carries On, Brian
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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 12:56:21 -0500 From: ProgMetal <progmetal@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: prog ftp Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000308125432.0096be40@mail.toast.net>
Found an ftp site that's not to bad. Goddess.dynip.com. I used anonymous as the username and my email address as the password.
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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 10:05:03 PST From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: DT as a goth/doom metal band? Message-ID: <20000308180503.99550.qmail@hotmail.com>
It's really an easy transition to make....all you need is one walkman, a cassette with Burning My Soul on it (i'm sure the album version would do, but I'm getting excellent results with a demo, so I'd recommend that), and (read carefully now, this is the key ingredient) two old, tired batteries, still powerful enough to run the damn thing, but not necessarily at the correct speed.
You think DT music is wacky enough the way they intended it to be heard? Wait 'til you hear it at variable speeds! Talk about your time and chord changes, this is some sick shit!
:) Partha
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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 10:08:43 PST From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: need a minor favor Message-ID: <20000308180843.95557.qmail@hotmail.com>
anyone got Bahr boot liners as jpeg or gif files that they'd be willing to share with me? Looking for the acoustic dreams cover specifically, although anything else would be cool for future trading adventures..... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 11:15:18 PST From: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: multi synths Message-ID: <20000308191518.94963.qmail@hotmail.com>
The way I look at the Jordan-one-synth debate is this: if you can get your instruments for free via endorsements or whatever, why the hell not use as many as you can fit onto your tourbus? Just a thought...
Well, have ya seen MP's Drumset or JP's speaker cabs? My guess is that JR IS using as many keyboards as will fit in the tourbus =^). Ug. fran/banjoman
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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 21:19:05 +0200 From: Emre Topuzoglu <Emret@ispro.net.tr> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: My first Post ! Message-ID: <38C6A7A9.F2A62142@ispro.net.tr>
its my first post on this mailing list
Hello !
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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 20:21:34 +0100 From: Bernd.Basmer@t-online.de (Bernd Basmer) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: New Superior demo Message-ID: <4.1.20000308202012.00930c00@pop.btx.dtag.de>
Hi!
Ok, there were a lot of posts about superior things recently. Here is a real Superior demo. :) New song up at http://www.free-minded.de/
Feedback is welcome!
Greetings
Bernd
-------------------------------------------------------------- Bernd Basmer Guitar - Superior
For info about Superior look at http://www.free-minded.de/
-------------------------------------------------------------- If you're good you solve your problems. If you're better you have none.
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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 21:38:26 +0200 From: Emre Topuzoglu <Emret@ispro.net.tr> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Any Traders ? Message-ID: <38C6AC32.62239182@ispro.net.tr>
<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> <br>as i said,,im new here.. <br>i would like to meet traders ..</html>
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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 21:06:16 +0100 From: Andreas Schaefer <jerry@muc.de> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Jordan is a bit limited Message-ID: <4.1.20000308115501.00936a50@mail.muc.de>
Although I don't have a direct take on the subject, but it brought up some nice discussion about DT's setlist.
Personally I'd really like them to bring back some improvised stuff, hey put in a jam once in a while. I'm not asking for a "3 minute warning" or a Phish setlist, just bring back a little more sponaneity!!! (Especially after a long piece like SFAM, where you obviously can't change too much besides throwing in a solo once in a while - and I could do without the techno-keyboard solo).
Another pet peeve: I really dislike medleys. This is just a mediocre compromise so that there's a piece for everybody.
And finally: I could really do without hearing PMU at a show. With so much great material on their first 3 releases it should be easy to rotate a few things on the setlist on a day to day basis. Of course I might be a little bit frustrated not to hear _my_ favorite song at a show, but at least ther would be a bigger variety of bootlegs...
just my two cents, jerry
-- --------------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Schaefer jerry@muc.de ...bei 200 Grad 15 Minuten backen, und keine Eier! - Tool ---------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 22:04:21 +0200 From: Emre Topuzoglu <Emret@ispro.net.tr> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: FTP SITES ? Message-ID: <38C6B245.2DBADA74@ispro.net.tr>
<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> anyone knows good ftp sites for mp3`s and videos ? <br>if you know please tell <br>thanks</html>
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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:31:53 -0500 From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Jordan is a bit limited Message-ID: <245F7E2FFC57D311A6DF0090273628B03BF52E@AMSC_NTAS>
> And finally: I could really do without hearing PMU at a show. With so > much great material on their first 3 releases it should be easy to > rotate a few things on the setlist on a day to day basis. Of course > I might be a little bit frustrated not to hear _my_ favorite song at > a show, but at least ther would be a bigger variety of bootlegs... >
Get over it, guys! Look, DT pretty much HAS to play PMU every show. Period. Why, you ask? Simple - 3/4 of the audience wants to hear it, and it's the only song of theirs that ever got significant airplay.
When you go see Iron Maiden, they play "2 Minutes to Midnight". When you go to see Queensryche, they play either "Eyes of a Stranger" or "Silent Lucidity" - both, usually. Why? Because fans just paid 25-35 dollars, and they expect to hear that song.
I don't see what everybody's problem is with it, anyway - it's one of my favorite DT songs. I'd be disappointed if they DIDN'T play it every time I saw them.
I still don't understand "Peruvian Skies", though. :)
Mike Division
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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 21:58:13 +0100 From: "Tibor Varady 2.0" <lawinen@freemail.hu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Kevins crash course to D'rek Message-ID: <200003082055.VAA01249@altair.ceu.hu>
ytsejam@torchsong.com wrote>
> > > >> since Kevin's not around to give > > >>him a crash course as he did Derek.
I heard Kevin Moore gave Dorek some sounds. But It doesn't sound like D. used 'em. Tibi
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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:06:44 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Jordan only dreams in Infrared. Message-ID: <003a01bf8942$6d180200$0201010a@meserver.meserver.com>
>a "3 minute warning" or a Phish setlist, just bring back a >little more sponaneity!!!
Yeah, I'd like to see DT be more spontaneous, too. Maybe James could masterbate on stage or JP could light Mike's kit on fire while they were playing. But I hear they've thrown in a little spontanaity on this tour. There have been a couple of reports stating that Myung let out a small, scentless fart during Fatal Tragedy in Cleveland.
>Another pet peeve: I really dislike medleys. This is just a mediocre >compromise so that there's a piece for everybody.
Listen Sprout. Green Giant's vegetable medley is a hell of alot better than having straight broccoli (I'm a choppin' broccoli... chopping broccoli...). If I so much as catch you picking out the KoRn I'm going to... Don't you put your fork on my plate! I don't like that shit! Yo ho ho... Gentle Giant...
>much great material on their first 3 releases it should be easy to >rotate a few things on the setlist on a day to day basis
When preparing your Progmetal Marinade, you should always select only the choicest ingredients. Failure to do so will definitely cause complaints from many of your more finicky guests. To prepare, take two tablespoons of pomposity and blend that with 1 cup of fine hair metal. Stir in 5 cups of Berklee Brand [tm] talent and 1/2 teaspoon of 5/12 notes. Place in oven preheated to 400 degrees F. Be sure to alternate the temperature from 400 deg. to 450, 500, 375, and back repeatedly once every minute. Bake for 21 minutes, 12 seconds. Remove from oven and cover. Refrigerate for 5/8 to 3/4 of a day. Remove from refrigerator, add band, and serve. Makes several large helpings although most people won't even sample a bite before determining whether they enjoy it or not. Note: be sure to add your own unique garnishes or else you will undoubtedly be accused of using a "cloned" recipe. -- KorgX3 offers you a heaping helping of gnawed-off cuticles. NP: Asia - Remembrance Day
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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 13:25:57 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Keyboard Glue Message-ID: <200003082125.NAA11703@gms.gmsnet.com>
I have the solution... since half of you like to complain about the setlist, and nitpick, and the other half likes to complain about DT not playing your city... I propose we put it all in one package. DT will play bigger places, just not as many places, so that way you lil bitches that like to whine about the setlist will get to whine about them not playing your city instead... Your collective wails will hopefully will Pull You Under.
-The Doc
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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 16:40:36 -0500 From: Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: CD-R vs Original Pressing Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000308163851.00a1f380@pop.mindspring.com>
At 09:01 AM 3/8/00 -0800, you wrote: >I am beefing up my boot collection and was wondering what everybody's opinion >was on CD-R's compared to the original pressing of bootlegs. Personally, I >am not concerned with it not being the original pressing of a cd and I am >more interested in listening to the music. Obviously the sound quality will >be the cd (if on cd) and the only setback is that it wouldn't be really >considered a collector's item since it is not "original". Everybody else >have an opinion?
Well, luckily, Dream Theater "silver" boots don't bring really much at all as far as monetary resale value. There was a time there when (stupid) people would spend $50, $75, even $100 for a Mike Bahr original, but that's totally gone now. Just trade for the CD-R and have the music...
Adam
_________________________________________________ Adam Pye alpine1(-at-)mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~alpine1 ^^ Above URL for tape/cd list w/ setlists __________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:46:05 -0500 From: "Kenn de Mello" <k_demell@oz.plymouth.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: FTP SITES ? Message-ID: <001901bf8950$169de9e0$b7ab889e@plymouth.edu>
dude, please don't write any messages in html.
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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 17:32:56 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: RE: Jordan is a bit limited Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000308233256.01821814@pi-r-squared.com>
>I still don't understand "Peruvian Skies", though. :) >
I think they just like playing it! They've been doing it at all the shows for this tour, and they even played it a couple times at a couple of the Christmas shows. If they have fun, why not.
Palpatine www.pi-r-squared.com/brad/ Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian of Anime-no-kai
"Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel
"There is nothing more pragmatic than idealism" -David Mamet
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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:11:35 EST From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: DT Pay-Per-View Cybercast on April 9! Message-ID: <b3.1710a4e.25f83827@aol.com>
Hey -
I got the following info from UACM, and I hadn't seen it posted yet. Now we know when the Orlando gig will be cybercast on hob.com:
"There will be a Dream Theater pay-per-view broadcast (in Windows Media format) on House Of Blues on Sunday, April 9th, 2000 at 6 pm PST / 9 pm EST."
I verified this on http://www.hob.com/live/
There was some talk recently on the Jam about how it would be possible to get a videotape of the cybercast. I may be way out in left field here because I don't really understand the technology involved, but what if a Jammer with WebTV were to tape it? I would assume that the internet connection for WebTV is done via cable wires, so there would be a good connection speed. Then, maybe they could just maximize the Windows Media window and simply record on the VCR. Would this work?? Just a thought anyway. Somehow, we GOTTA get this on video, or at the very least audio. Maybe someone can get a recording like the one Bahrman got for Streams Of Consciousness and someone can burn it onto CD.
Laterz... Matt T.
NP: Judas Priest Tribute Volume 1
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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:45:40 -0500 From: "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: keystuff Message-ID: <003a01bf8958$6a18c9c0$0200010a@steve>
>(I'd rather not give the reason why I didn't attend, but...... it involves Kelly Grey and DT.)
Awwww, come on!!! That's like saying, "Guess what! ...oh, never mind." :)
> > Why be spontaneous? Why bother with some impromptu creativity? Why give > > the rest of the band the freedom to do something new so we don't all get > > bored? > > Besides going through the pre-programmed order with the foot > pedal he can select a new patch anytime WITH HIS HANDS. > I wonder why this is so difficult for people to grasp. The foot > pedal just adds to Jordan's flexibility, it doesn't limit him.
If you read my post, you would notice that I actually asked whether or not punching in a program by hand effects the order of the pedal increment. so it doesn't. Thank you. It's not difficult to grasp, it's just not common knowledge.
And it STILL doesn't mean it adds to his flexibility.
> I don't think so. From what I remember reading back when DT brought Derek > aboard was that Kevin was long gone, but he left copies of the patches that > he'd used in his songs behind so that the new keyboardist could pick right > up on them. Derek had to learn the parts by ear as I recall.
Yup. On the Awake tour in Baltimore, I think that was the 5th night of the tour, Derek said that he had never met Kevin, but he left a disk for Derek with all of the sounds used on Awake. he also said that he learned all the parts by ear, and he had learned only the songs in the setlist at that point.
Poor Derek! He had just played 2 hours of music that he probably learned in a matter of weeks with minimal rehearsal, and all people see fit to ask him is, "Have you ever met Kevin Moore?"
Steve Z
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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:05:47 -0400 From: "Greg Kampf" <gkampf@mondenet.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Special Moments Message-ID: <200003090007.TAA05284@mail.mondenet.com>
>why even wast the time to write something like this....i like never post on >the jam but i read....and SHIT LIKE THIS just makes my day slow down that >much....your a fuck >laterz >dustro
All I wanted to do was make you laugh. It's too bad we don't share the same sense of humour. I'm sorry if I offended you. Please accept my deepest apologies.
-G- gkampf@mondenet.com Ottawa, Ontario
La Villa Strangiato http://members.home.com/lavilla
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