YTSEJAM Digest 5384
Today's Topics:
1) argh
by mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
2) Tour dates
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
3) Boot covers
by Krewzman@aol.com
4) Korg is famous!
by "phairgirl" <phairgirl@anada.net>
5) Pull My Underwear
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
6) Re: all the key players...
by Matej <izolit@siol.net>
7) Kelly Grey
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
8)
by Mark Moore <rushzil2112@yahoo.com>
9) Parmet swallows!!
by Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com>
10) Re: HOB streaming show
by Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com>
11) FS: DT "Burning My Soul" promo
by Dan Temmesfeld <dantemm@erinet.com>
12) Re: Keyboard glue
by Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com>
13) FS: DT "Streams of Consciousness" 2CD
by Dan Temmesfeld <dantemm@erinet.com>
14) Re: Re: Voices: A tribute to Dream Theater?
by "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
15) Re: Jordan is a bit limited
by "Adriano F. Giacomini" <randy_rhoads@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
16) we are still alive
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
17) The Jordan Keyboard Debacle
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
18) What's with everyone?
by mildew@ucla.edu
19) Keyboard Gear Question (NDTC)
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
20) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5381
by "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com>
21) This may scare you
by "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com>
22) ISO: 2/26/00
by "Weissenburger - Jeremy S." <jeremysw@umd5.umd.edu>
23) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5377
by jasons@tgstech.com
24) key power
by Chris Oates <coates@objy.com>
25) Xmas CD reprint
by Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com>
26) Re: Original Boots VS Cdr Boots
by Emre Topuzoglu <Emret@ispro.net.tr>
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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 21:08:00 +1100
From: mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: argh
Message-ID: <38C777FE.F0A61FD8@alphalink.com.au>
Ok Ive just read one of the most bitchiest and stupid jams ever.
I know this is going to sound hypocritical, but it is a plea for sense. Ill keep it short.
A) When replying, quote enough in your message so that people know what
you are talking about. Dont quote the whole message. If people missed the first
message they can go back and find it. Replying to specific questions or statements is
a good stratergy.
B) If people post stupid drivel to the jam, don't reply to it!!!! If you cant control yourself,
at the very least dont quote it again!!!! Sure it was slightly annoying to have to push
the down arrow (gasp) to get past all that spam about the government, but it was even
more annoying to have to wade my way through all the flames that came afterwards. If
you are seriously annoyed, privately email him!
C) Please realise people on the jam arent out to get you.
Please this information be put in the sign up message.
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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 10:46:24 +0100
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Tour dates
Message-ID: <38C772F0.B70A9D20@mol.com.mk>
OK, so the rumours go on and it seems that the summer after Asia DT will
go back to USA. After that? I see South America is mentioned.
But, sniff, ... HOW ABOUT EUROPE? Is it possible not doing Europe
anymore on this tour??? :(
I just can't believe that more than half of Europe can be forgotten.
Maybe I'm babbling here, and DT will come autumn, early winter, but damn
it folks, at least give us some clue.
Now you go on and and tell me is my urge to kill justified when I read
happy American jammers they will see DT AGAIN?
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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:22:44 EST
From: Krewzman@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Boot covers
Message-ID: <6d.1d979ec.25f88114@aol.com>
For the person who was looking for the CD liner for Acoustic Dreams, this and
many other liners can be found at the following site:
http://dreamtheater.mit.edu/bootcovers/index.html
Hope this helps,
The KREWZMAN
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 03:10:59 -0600
From: "phairgirl" <phairgirl@anada.net>
To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Korg is famous!
Message-ID: <000a01bf89a7$629a8220$c02d0b18@dubuq1.ia.home.com>
aNAda e'zine (http://www.anada.net) released today, and issue #21 features a
chunk of the Ytsejam list, specifically, Mr. Korg! Yay! Check it out!
And in case you missed it, look in the archives for issue #1, it's about
KEVIN MOORE.
--phairgirl
`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
aNAda e'zine: http://www.anada.net
e-mail: phairgirl@anada.net
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 00:25:48 -0800
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Pull My Underwear
Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA01CB5923@ms.kallback.com>
I have the solution..... I propose we put it all in one package.
DT will play bigger places, just not as many places, so that way you lil
bitches that like to
whine about the setlist will get to whine about them not playing your city
instead... Your collective wails will hopefully will Pull You Under.
-The Doc
Easy to say, when you live in L.A.
You know they will always play there, YOU FARGIN' BASTAGE!!!!
Trevor
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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 20:24:12 +0100
From: Matej <izolit@siol.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: all the key players...
Message-ID: <38C6A8DC.15A4085F@siol.net>
>I believe this was posted that he hung around long enough
>to show Derek some of the stuff in the songs they'd be
>playing on tour. It might be in the FAQ.
I belive I read somewhere that Kevin gave a few tips
and pointers to Jens Johannsen before he auditioned,
I think it's on Jens' homepage, the whole story...
..interesting reading :)
Matej
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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 100 23:45:52 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Kelly Grey
Message-ID: <200003090745.AA04027@crl.crl.com>
Paul> (I'd rather not give the reason why I didn't attend,
Paul> but...... it involves Kelly Grey and DT.)
>Is it because you would have eaten before the show and Kelly Grey,
>being one of the ugliest people I have ever seen, would have made you
>throw up? :-)
>
>I saw QR here in Hamburg, Germany and I had to avert my eyes from the
>right side of the stage all the time.
Nahhh.... Just some unkind things he said about DT (as chronicled on
the www.mikeportnoy.com forum, and they should still be there).
Shitty attitude. I'd have gone to the show otherwise.
-- + Paul W. Cashman vanyel@crl.com www.crl.com/~vanyel ICQ #4151223+ | Rush * Robert Jordan * Godhead * Michael Moorcock * Changelings | | James P. Hogan * Dream Theater * Storm Constantine * NIN * Dead | | Can Dance * Patrick O'Brian * Ozric Tentacles * Raymond Feist....|------------------------------
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:47:41 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Moore <rushzil2112@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Message-ID: <20000309034741.8778.qmail@web1106.mail.yahoo.com>
I am going to the DT concert in 2 days, and I want to know what the best place to go to after the show to get autographs and pictures. Everybody's suggestions will be greatly appreciated. As in regards to a DREAM BAND. What I would like to really see would be Neil Peart, Les Claypool, and John Petrucci. Just think about that combination. Les' crazy bass grooves, Neil's amazing, insane, just not of this world drumming, and of course John. It would probably sound really cool. I just don't see Neil doing anthing other than Rush, and it sucks what happened to him and everything. I bet he has written a lot of lyrics and poems and stuff since the events. I bet they are dark. I can't wait til' the come up with some new stuff. I have been waiting for a long time now. I had a sub in one of my classes the other day, I am a sophomore, and she looked through my cds and said I had bad taste in music. Just to let you know what bands I had in there RUSH (all of them) DREAM THEATER (all of them) LIQUID TENSION EXPERIMENT and 2 ALICE IN CHAINS SOUNDGARDEN TOOL MEGADETH (rust in peace) METALLICA (master of puppets) JEFF BECK PRIMUS RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE EXPLORERS CLUB ANTHRAX (old stuff) VAN HALEN PANTERA OZZY BLACK SABBATH SLAYER
And I have bad taste in music. She probably hasn't even heard any of these bands. She wasn't older either, she was in her upper 20's. I listen to many diverse bands. Catch you all later.
===== Mark Moore drumming is life "HOLD YOUR FIRE-KEEP IT BURNING BRIGHT HOLD THE FLAME 'TIL THE DREAM IGNITES-A SPIRIT WITH A VISION IS A DREAM WITH A MISSION -Neil Peart __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 22:12:51 -0500 From: Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Parmet swallows!! Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000308220605.00a1dec0@pop.mindspring.com>
.. and he's available for parties and weddings too!! :)
>James: "Hi, I'd like to point some interesting demographics for you all >tonight. We have 28.54% folk here tonight for which this is their 2nd >show this tour, 56% for which this is their 4th show, and Adam who >pulled away from the pack long ago, this his 17th so far this tour. >Interestingly enough,thought, everyone wants to hear Scarred >tonight.....so we're gonna play Anna Lee three times in a row, just for >you Adam! The rest of the night shall be the record scratching at the >end of SFAM" :P
(little does anyone know, but Adam really IS James and he's getting sick of singing the same setlist...)
But Mike won't relent so playing Anna Lee three times - which I wrote of course - is the next best thing... And _I_ did the record scratching at the end of SFAM. For some reason they don't let me play my tambourine in the studio. :-)
>MUAHAHAHAH!!!!! > >You know I love ya, Adam :) Just a little jet lag here from the cranky >old man...
Yeah, yeah.. Just pipe down or I'm gonna kick you AND the fuckin' horse you rode in on back to "parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov" ... Better watch your back - my cousin Joey might be lurking aboot.
The Canuck
_________________________________________________ Adam Pye alpine1(-at-)mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~alpine1 ^^ Above URL for tape/cd list w/ setlists __________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 21:59:28 -0500 From: Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: HOB streaming show Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000308215821.00a1b800@pop.mindspring.com>
At 04:20 PM 3/8/00 -0800, you wrote: >the VCR. Would this work?? Just a thought anyway. Somehow, we GOTTA get >this on video, or at the very least audio. Maybe someone can get a recording >like the one Bahrman got for Streams Of Consciousness and someone can burn it >onto CD.
Yeah, you COULD do this, but there's audience recordings of this show around. I'd prefer a decent audience recording to a Real Audio or Windows Media stream, even at T-1 speeds...
Adam
_________________________________________________ Adam Pye alpine1(-at-)mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~alpine1 ^^ Above URL for tape/cd list w/ setlists __________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 22:01:29 -0500 From: Dan Temmesfeld <dantemm@erinet.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: FS: DT "Burning My Soul" promo Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.20000308220129.007be100@mail.erinet.com>
For sale: Dream Theater - Burning My Soul radio promo $15
SHIPPING INCLUDED.
Tracks: 1. Radio Edit 2. LP Version 3. Audio Bio
If interested, email me.
Dan
+- Dan Temmesfeld Galactic Cowboys on the Web -+ dantemm@erinet.com http://www.dlm.net/gc/ - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - - +- your arms cover me like a blanket (chromakey) -+
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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 22:01:41 -0500 From: Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Keyboard glue Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000308220025.00a28990@pop.mindspring.com>
At 04:20 PM 3/8/00 -0800, you wrote: >I have the solution... since half of you like to complain about the >setlist, and nitpick, and the other half likes to complain about DT not >playing >your city... I propose we put it all in one package. DT will play bigger >places, just not as many places, so that way you lil bitches that like to >whine about the setlist will get to whine about them not playing your city >instead... Your collective wails will hopefully will Pull You Under. > >-- >------ drkhoe@gmsnet.com -------------- ++++++ ---------------------- >///// http://progmetal.gmsnet.com ----------------==== Unix systems - >C/C++ video game engine development =><=============== Administration >===================== Intranet/Internet Engineering =================
Mosh, you are one disagreeable muthafuckah... You should add "Professional Ass Goblin" to the resume you put at the end of your posts... People might be more impressed...
:)
Mosh's Fuckin' Mother
_________________________________________________ Adam Pye alpine1(-at-)mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~alpine1 ^^ Above URL for tape/cd list w/ setlists __________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 22:01:46 -0500 From: Dan Temmesfeld <dantemm@erinet.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: FS: DT "Streams of Consciousness" 2CD Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.20000308220146.007c1640@mail.erinet.com>
For sale:
Dream Theater - Streams of Consciousness" 2CD $40 (originally $50) Original painted disc Mike Bahr bootleg. Color liners. In excellent condition.
Recorded live in Los Angeles, CA. November 11, 1997 - Soundbard.
SHIPPING INCLUDED.
Tracks: DISC 1- 1. Lines in the Sand 2. Burning My Soul 3. Voices 4. Under a Glass Moon 5. Hollow Years 6. Puppies on Acid 7. Innocence Faded 8. Just Let Me Breathe 9. Peruvian Skies 10. Pull Me Under
DISC 2- 1. Scarred 2. The Darkest of Winters 3. Ytse Jam 4. New Millenium 5. The Inevitable Summer 6. The Crimson Sunset 7. Metropolis Part 1 8. Perfect Strangers (Nightmare Cinema - all switched instruments) 9. It's Mine, But You Can't Drive It (Mike Portnoy on vocals) 10. Metropolis Part 1 (Reprise) 11. Surrounded (Mike Portnoy on vocals!!!)
If interested, email me.
Dan
+- Dan Temmesfeld Galactic Cowboys on the Web -+ dantemm@erinet.com http://www.dlm.net/gc/ - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - - +- your arms cover me like a blanket (chromakey) -+
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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 20:54:48 -0500 From: "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com, multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Re: Voices: A tribute to Dream Theater? Message-ID: <17A36FDAE45F3D11DACD00807CFD5BDB@robpociluk.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
I think it's decent. Some bands are better than others. And anyway, Aztec Jade is on it...and they are awesome. http://www.aztecjade.com
Rob
Dream Theater newsletter - http://www.dreamtheater.net/uacmmail/ ___________________________________________________________ Get your own Web-Based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com
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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 22:34:00 -0300 From: "Adriano F. Giacomini" <randy_rhoads@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Jordan is a bit limited Message-ID: <6FDB0D9DC45F3D11DA5D00807C90262A@randy_rhoads.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
>When you go see Iron Maiden, they play "2 Minutes to Midnight". When >you go to see Queensryche, they play either "Eyes of a Stranger" >or "Silent Lucidity" - both, usually. Why? Because fans just paid 25- >35 dollars, and they expect to hear that song.
Don't forget that Deep Purple has been playing Smoke On The Water and Highway Star in almost every gig since Machine Head was released, which was 1972... You'd think they'd be tired of it, but as Jon Lord once said in an interview: "(Playing Smoke On The Water) still makes sense"... And think of how tired Iron Maiden must be of playing Iron Maiden (the song)... Playing one song millions of times, even if it bores you (as Mike said PMU does when they rehearse it), is just one small sacrifice that, IMO, you (should) do for your fans...
Later, Adriano
"A daily dose of eMpTyV will flush your mind right down the drain" DREAM THEATER Dream Theater newsletter - http://www.dreamtheater.net/uacmmail/ ___________________________________________________________ Get your own Web-Based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com
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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:36:07 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com> To: "No Holds barred distribution list":;, Subject: we are still alive Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000308193319.00a1e9d0@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
OK, folks. To everybody who cares about No Holds barred Radio, I am writing in to let you know that I revised the playlist to include the 6 full length shows running in chronological order together starting from 02/01/00 all the way up to last night's show, and then all the best of clips grouped together. If you missed last night's show, then you should be ashamed of yourself, but don't worry, it is up on No Holds Barred Automation. POint winamp to 216.32.166.89:21944 or go see us at http://ww.nhbradio.com, still inaccessible to all blindness related software, but we are working on a complete overhaul of the site, so stay tuned for developements. I urge everybody with a sick mind to check us out. We have put a lot of work into te most offensive show on the Net and we would like everybody with a sick mind to tune us in and make our ratings go up. If you want to check us out on live365.com, check the comedy genre and give us a rating while you are at it. Again, point winamp to 216.32.166.89:21944.
-- Damon Fibraio, and new guide dog Melody email: dfibraio@home.com computer consultant, musician, radio broadcaster, and public nuisance Listen to No Holds Barred Radio. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Live show on Tuesdays from 8 to 11 p.m. eastern time go to http://www.nhbradio.com for more details or point winamp to 216.32.166.89:21944. "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take the Time, Images and Words
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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 01:19:59 -0600 From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: The Jordan Keyboard Debacle Message-ID: <001101bf8a61$0c34a220$2b1efea9@madstation>
Stevie Z:
> > His answer / question: Why not use the state-of-the-art technology? > > Why use dozens of keyboards when I can have all the sounds I > > want in just one? > > Why be spontaneous? Why bother with some impromptu creativity? Why give > the rest of the band the freedom to do something new so we don't all get > bored?
Could you explain how this is related? I don't mean that in a "I'm gonna flatten you like a fucking pancake, boyeee" kind of way, but rather in "I think you have something in mind, that maybe didn't fully escape the 'in your mind' point in its existence." I only ask this because the idea of finding a keyboard that has EVERYTHING, like it has Korg leads and pads, Kurzweil sounds, hell... even MOOG and Arp and Mellotron architecture... that would be a GOOD thing, not a limit on spontanaity. I don't see how it would fuck with creativity or band freedom. Now, if you scale it back, and just take what the Kurz stuff does (no, there's no spinning loops of tape in there, sorry Jordan) and that IS everything you want ("I hate those MOOG <mispronounced to sound like a noise a cow makes> sounds!") then again, that is a good thing. Jordan, as you know, is a very different type of keyboardist than DT has had before. Besides being more technically capable, in just about every way (read: not necessarily BETTER) he uses one keyboard, and takes advantage of functions that several keyboards have, but that most players don't fully use. So where Derek would have one hand on a Trinity and the other on that other Korg thingy, Jordan would have both hands on the same board, and be able to accomplish at least the same technical feat. I think it looks cooler to have multiple boards, but I think he also proves an important point in playing how he does.
> > He definitely seems NOT to feel limited in any way! > > Then he's in serious denial.
I'm SURE Jordan feels limitations. There's not one of us (not anyone sane, anyhow) on the planet who does not.
> > Any of you heard his recent contribution to an album of classical works > > done by the great keyboardists of rock on acoustic piano? > > Yes. I thought his technical performance was fine. (And Chopin's > Revolutionary Etude is quite a technical feat!) It was very cold, though. > Little dynamic variation. Stolid tempo with almost no rubato whatsoever. > > And he didn't play an acoustic piano. He played that damn Kurzweil. (Which > probably contributed to the lack of dynamics.) The Kurzeil piano sound is > amazing, but next to those real pianos on the rest of the CD, it just > doesn't cut it.
Last time I listened, I thought that there were several that didn't sound like real piano. I never even opened the liner notes. Are there liner notes? Emerson's track on that disc (Steinway to Heaven, for anyone in the dark here) is by FAR my favorite, even though he's not my favorite player in general.
> > Let's not forget that he actually works for the company that > > provides him with some of the world's finest synthesizers ever made > > (Kurzweil). > > Is that supposed to mean something? I could work for PRS and that wouldn't > make me a great guitarist.
You're definitely missing a point here. Because Jordan works with the company, he has a lot more knowledge about the ins and outs of his board than the average Joe. I know several players who have not yet tapped into what their gear can do. I'm that way myself. I use my effects processors to get what I need out of them... I haven't sat down and played with many of the functions on my MPX at all! Also, Jordan is in a position to get his requests filled. Things he wants in the board GET THERE. This doesn't make him a better player, in and of itself, but you must certainly agree that it clears a whole lot of obstacles from the field for him, which probably impacts upon his ability to play the hell out of what he's using.
> > I'm not dismissing other opinions here, but please consider his entire > > history as a professional musician. You will see that he is most > > definitely no fluke! > > Which isn't even the issue. The issue was that the one-keyboard setup > limits him and the rest of the band, whether he realizes it or not. The > answer is yes.
It's no more limiting than a 2 keyboard setup, or a 4 keyboard setup. His limit is in sounds, not technical applications. When you think of your favorite keyboardists, think of their gear. KM didn't have a quarter of the number of possible sounds. If you think back to REAL Prog Rock, like Yes, Wakeman didn't have a TENTH of the sounds Jordan has. Derek probably had a similar number of sounds. But insofar as technical abilities, Jordan can do everything on one board, since he can change what zones of the keyboard create which sounds, on the fly. It takes more coordination, but that's not something Jordan lacks. The biggest problem in doing everything on one board is being able to make the changes fast enough... I've heard this from several players. Jordan can pull it off. What more does he need (besides a bit more soul) in his thang? You can say that "if he didn't have to change sounds as often, he could do more" but that isn't really true, when you consider that someone like Joe Stump can play faster than Yngwie, but can't really do more. If he is getting out exactly what he intends to get out, then giving him 20 boards isn't going to improve on it.
Adriano: > I think you may have missed the point here... When someone suggested > that Jordan's limited, he/she was saying that his use of only one > keyboard during the show limits him and the band, in terms of > improvising and changing the set list on a nightly basis
Can you explain how multiple boards would help this? You still have to program sounds and midi routines so you can change your patches. You're either prepared or you're not, whether it's 1 board or 12.
Brian: > The way I look at the Jordan-one-synth debate is this: if you can get your > instruments for free via endorsements or whatever, why the hell not use as > many as you can fit onto your tourbus? Just a thought...
UGH! That's the C.C. Deville line of thinking! I hate guitarists who change guitars every song, when there's no reason to. Yeah, I understand going for a strat sound here and a humbucker there, but MAN I HATE it when some dude, like that fool in that bluesy Berklee band that opened for DT on the first FII tour, busts out a new guitar for every song! But it all comes back to the same point. If you CAN do it all on one board, and not feel any limitations imposed upon you as a result of that decision, then aren't the other boards just there to look pretty?
- Chris
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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 16:43:49 -0800 From: mildew@ucla.edu To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: What's with everyone? Message-ID: <200003090043.QAA15460@panther.noc.ucla.edu>
Seems like there's a lot more hostility than usual. I can't read more than a few sentences into a jam without someone calling someone else a dick, prick, bastard, asshole, or the all insulting "fuck". Ya know, there are always gonna be people that annoy the hell out of other people, so maybe everyone should practice keeping it off the jam. If you really must tell someone what a little shit he is, do it privately.. you're not impressing us with your vocabulary.
On a happy note, can anyone make any doom metal reccomendations for me? I love the melodic stuff, but I can deal with growling if the music is super cool, like Opeth. Some other doom bands I like: Solitude Aeturnus (just found these guys and they are the best!), Anathema, Paradise Lost, Amorphis, Katatonia, My Dying Bride, and some Tiamet. Private or jam email.. either way.
~~Amanda
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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 00:37:59 -0600 From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Keyboard Gear Question (NDTC) Message-ID: <000d01bf8a5b$2e89c0e0$2b1efea9@madstation>
Hey, I need a sound module or a used keyboard. I already have a controller (and I guess I have a Korg DW 8000 though it isn't mine... it's on extend-o-loan, but has a problem with one of its fader controls...) anyway, I need good sounds at a cheap budget. I consider the sounds from the Korg X series to be good. I know there are better, but that's beyond what I need. I'm looking into the Korg X and N series half rack modules, which I have seen for somewhat cheap, and that new Roland JV 1010 (I guess it's not THAT new anymore)
People have told me to look into the Emu Proteus stuff, as well.
I need help! Any insights, anyone? Sorry for the NDTC!
"If you had a neck and I had hands, I would squeeze your brain, which is your body, right out the top of your head, which does not exist!" - Carl, of Carl and Son, makers of Chambraign
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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 00:41:12 EST From: "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5381 Message-ID: <20000309054112.7454.qmail@hotmail.com>
>From: Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net> >Subject: Jericho & DT >I ran into Chris Jericho yesterday and DAMN if that boy didn't talk my ear >off about DT.... I told him that we need to see his theme music have a bit >of a change and he just smirked and said he's working on it....
heh. I'd vote for Puppies on Acid (Mirror intro). It has the required balls/chunk levels.
>KorgX3 is the FAQ-Man, boyeee!
then the hats are off to ya, and apologies for my poor memory. but I am certain he helped look for a replacement player for the tour (though the band eventually passed over his choices).
D/J - expecting to be wrong again! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 00:47:12 EST From: "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: This may scare you Message-ID: <20000309054712.43270.qmail@hotmail.com>
just ran into this today. might be old news to some.
www.dominici.com
no joke D/J ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 19:10:54 -0500 (EST) From: "Weissenburger - Jeremy S." <jeremysw@umd5.umd.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: ISO: 2/26/00 Message-ID: <200003110010.TAA10467@holmes.umd.edu>
I'm looking for a good recording of their Roseland Ballroom performance. I have some DT stuff (as well as a slew of other bands' bootlegs) to trade.
Thanks for your time,
--Jeremy
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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:48:13 -0700 (MST) From: jasons@tgstech.com To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5377 Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.05.10003101647190.24016-100000@hp730.tgstech.com>
..is something going on with the list...this was the last one that made it to me...just wondering....
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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:46:21 -0800 From: Chris Oates <coates@objy.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: key power Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000310174621.00b99710@pop>
> As someone else said, agreeing with you, there are pitch wheel >settings, slide strip settings, key zone settings, changes in the layering >of sounds, heck, even variations in the force of a key pressing can >produce completely different sounds, and don't forget key sustains. >Face it, whoever takes the time to learn the Kurzweil is the supreme >hacker of all keyboardists...there are so many way to do the same thing, >that it would take a hacker to figure them all out. I want one. ;-)
I still don't get it. EVERY decent controller keyboard no matter the manufacturer, Korg, Roland, Kurzweil, can do this stuff. Why does everyone seem to think that it's a Kurzweil exclusive?
~Chris
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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 03:40:34 +0100 From: Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Xmas CD reprint Message-ID: <v0422080cb4ef6228705d@[192.168.1.1]>
>Has anyone who joined the DTIFC in February received their Xmas CD yet?
Holy shit!
Please give us some time to actually *make* them first! ;-)
Steffen -- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@dtifc.com) THE MIRROR - German Dream Theater Fan Club (http://www.dtifc.com/themirror)
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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 06:09:01 +0200 From: Emre Topuzoglu <Emret@ispro.net.tr> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Original Boots VS Cdr Boots Message-ID: <38C9C6DD.85ACEB77@ispro.net.tr>
i have that live in milan 93 cd ...original !!!! its really cool !
Christoph wrote: > > On 8 Mar 00, at 9:00, Jpbwildcat@aol.com wrote: > > > I am beefing up my boot collection and was wondering what everybody's > > opinion was on CD-R's compared to the original pressing of bootlegs. > > Personally, I am not concerned with it not being the original pressing > > of a cd and I am more interested in listening to the music. Obviously > > the sound quality will be the cd (if on cd) and the only setback is > > that it wouldn't be really considered a collector's item since it is > > not "original". Everybody else have an opinion? > > Of course its just the music which is important BUT I say: "The > eye is listening too.". Its simply more fun, looking at a beautiful > cover while listening to the music (if there IS a beautiful cover!). > > I finally managed to get the BEST Dream Theater Bootleg ever: > Lost in the Sky - Live in Milan 93 as an original at ebay.com and > this IS definitely worth having! A beautiful designed Two-Disc-Box- > Set with Booklet. Fantastic! > > I have several boots as originals but Id only take the goodsounding > ones, if I have the opportunity to get them. LITS has been a MUST > HAVE! With others I dont mind having them on cdr. > I think it really depends on which boot it is. > > Greetings, > > Christoph
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