YTSEJAM Digest 5397
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Wagner a Nazi?
by Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
2) Re: Wagner a Nazi?
by Josh Calkin <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5396
by "Alexander T. Coassin" <alex@dbwired.com>
4) RE: Dream Theater Gold2000 !!????
by "xxx" <hipodilski_@web.bg>
5) Re: Dream Theater Gold2000 !!????
by Emre Topuzoglu <Emret@ispro.net.tr>
6) Re: Dream Theater Gold2000 !!????
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
7) Re: Metallica or AC/DC bootlegs
by Emre Topuzoglu <Emret@ispro.net.tr>
8) Re: Dream Theater Gold2000 !!????
by "Graham B" <graham@renegade2K.com>
9) Re: help with MP3 shows
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
10) Finnaly bought Planet X
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
11) re:Platypus- Ice Cycles- Buy It!
by O-P Komonen <op777@surffi.net>
12) Re: DT Gold 2000
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
13) Met2000 videos
by Emre Topuzoglu <Emret@ispro.net.tr>
14) new single, 106.7 and 95.3
by "Mats Rydstrom" <mats.rydstrom@slitz.se>
15) Re: new single, 106.7 and 95.3
by "Jyrki Takalo-Kastari" <deadhead@nic.fi>
16) Re: Satch
by Matej <izolit@siol.net>
17) Re: Satch
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
18) Satch Album
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
19) Re: Satch Album
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 16:13:03 -0600
From: Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Wagner a Nazi?
Message-ID: <B4F95B8F.37CA%hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
on 3/17/00 8:42 PM, Jared Rodecker sez:
>
>> Just the
>> fact that he had Nitschean ideals and nationalist views don't make him
>> "a nazi"
>
> First of all, if someone had Nietzschean ideals, that would instantly
> qualify as them as being extrememly anti-Nazi. But since this guy doesn't
> even know how to spell Nietzsche, he's probably never read anything he's
> ever written either. And it was the other way around. As a young man
> Nietzsche idolized Wagner but later came to hate him passionately for a
> variety of reasons, both personal and philosophical. Wagner certainly
> wasn't a Nazi, because there were no such things as Nazis when Wagner was
> alive (duh!). But the fact remains that the Nazis, while publicly using
> Nietzsche's name and noteriety in their cause, realized how anti-Nazi his
> ideas actually were and they censored his writings heavily and did not
> allow them to be read in their original form in universities. On the other
> hand, the Nazis didn't censor anything Wagner said or composed, and the
> fact that they allowed him to be exposed to the public without censorship
> implies that they felt he supported the Nazi's ideals. It is unfortunate
> that people don't take the time to read Nietzsche, but instead continue to
> rely on uneducated stereotypes that have no foundation whatsover in his
> actual work.
okay lemme just say as the one who originally said wagner was a nazi that it
was mostly a wisecrack, obviously he couldn't have been an actual nazi. if
anyone wants to dig into this topic and has a basic understanding of some of
the specialized terms involved here's a good starting place:
http://www.mith.demon.co.uk/WAGNIET.html
and, as jared says, read the primary sources. one of the reasons that US
education is so wacked is that we rely much too heavily on secondary
sources. this is done on the theory that it makes for an "easier
introduction," when in fact what it usually does is just confuse people with
filtered and biased interpretations.
-brian
--"I saw a notice which said, 'Drink Canada Dry' and I've just started."
- Brendan Behan
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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:18:04 -0500 (EST) From: Josh Calkin <j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Wagner a Nazi? Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10003181712420.3354-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
True that Wagner was not a Nazi (he predated them, I believe), but he was alive at a time when strong Nationalistic views were being born in Germany, as well as other places. Part of the nationalism in Germany at that time, sadly, was the idea that the Germans were indeed superior to other peoples. One of the groups they targeted specifically was the Polish Jews, and later Jews in general. Wagner was not a Nazi, per se, but he was a firm believer in German superiority, and he was anti-Semitic. His ideals were what would later become the ideals of the Nazi party.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Calkin j_calkin@oz.plymouth.edu, darkharmony13@hotmail.com
A university is what a college becomes when its faculty loses intrest in its students. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:58:12 -0500 From: "Alexander T. Coassin" <alex@dbwired.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5396 Message-ID: <38D40A04.3E6411BD@dbwired.com>
>> Someone asked if SFAM will have the same staying power as I&W. >> Well, I think Scenes is by far the best DT album to date, and it may >> very well turn out to be the best they ever do. Tracks 2-5 are my >> favorite (especially the bridge section in Strange Deja Vu), and I >> think it kicks I&W pretty bad.
Before any of the YTSE purists flame this guy... I want to shout out my agreement with him. I like everyone else here... love I&W, but I think DT as a band is much better today than they were then. I also agree about Strange Deja Vu... there are moments in that song that in my opinion are better than anything else they have ever done. Scenes, in my opinion, is their greatest work, but then again... I like all of the albums, and hate getting into that which one is better argument. Jordan is a perfect fit with the band... I can't wait to see what they come up with next after being together for a little while. I'm not taking away anything from I&W, but there does come a point where you literally know every second of the album so well, that there are no more surprises. Actually, I find it helpful to abstain from listening to it sometimes for like 3 or 4 months to regain some freshness.
Oh well... just some of my perspectives...
Btw, as a reference point to what I wrote above, the DT I like best, is as follows (in no particular order): Learning to Live Lifting Shadows Strange DejaVu Scarred Voices Home Surrounded Fatal Tragedy The "All that we learn... this time" from beyond on this life.... <----- awesome DT moment.
- Alex
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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 01:15:55 +0200 From: "xxx" <hipodilski_@web.bg> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Dream Theater Gold2000 !!???? Message-ID: <001501bf912f$f9e9c200$73818ac3@xxx>
>it was bulgaria pressed(i guess bulgaria.. all illegal cd`s you can >find here like games programs etc..pressed there)
When you are going to post something like this, you'd better think twice before. All the fucking pirate CDs are pressed in Russia. Not in Bulgaria. Understand? Or shall I say it again?. Ok, now slowly. R...U...S...S...I...A... Got it? Good, you are a smart boy.
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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 01:21:42 +0200 From: Emre Topuzoglu <Emret@ispro.net.tr> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Dream Theater Gold2000 !!???? Message-ID: <38D40F86.B31C08B2@ispro.net.tr>
hey there, i guess you are from Russia ,but dont get mad for it, do you want a signed contract from the seller of those cd`s that they are pressed in Bulgaria ! do you think i posted this and im not sure ? dont need you to think im smart ! cause im smart ! hehehe
xxx wrote: > > >it was bulgaria pressed(i guess bulgaria.. all illegal cd`s you can > >find here like games programs etc..pressed there) > > When you are going to post something like this, you'd better think twice > before. All the fucking pirate CDs are pressed in Russia. Not in Bulgaria. > Understand? Or shall I say it again?. Ok, now slowly. > R...U...S...S...I...A... Got it? Good, you are a smart boy.
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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:12:41 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Dream Theater Gold2000 !!???? Message-ID: <001a01bf9137$d9ad8640$480d84d0@default>
> before. All the fucking pirate CDs are pressed in Russia.
Funny, I thought they were all pressed in Mike Bahr's basement. My bad... -- KorgX3 just couldn't resist. NP: Queensryche - Burning Man.
This place has become BORING over the last week. hehehe.
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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 02:42:05 +0200 From: Emre Topuzoglu <Emret@ispro.net.tr> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Metallica or AC/DC bootlegs Message-ID: <38D4225D.E2525AA@ispro.net.tr>
Hi there, i have all Metallica Mp3`s in a cdr,in other cdr`s filled with videos and concert mp3`s=20 also have those bulgariaan pressed video cd`s Metallica Cunning Stunts 2cd`s Metallica Symphonica 2cd`s
those video cd`s are really good quality A+ Doug Melvin wrote: >=20 > Dear Ytse-jam folks, >=20 > I'm looking for some Metallica or AC/DC bootlegs of decent or good > quality, and am willing to trade for Peter Gabriel or Phil Collins era > Genesis bootlegs. If anyone can help me, please e-mail me privately at > djemelvin@hotmail.com. >=20 > ~Doug Melvin >=20 > "Geben Sie einem Mann einen Fisch; ziehen Sie ihn f=FCr einen Tag ein. > Unterrichten Sie einen Mann zu fischen, und er sagt, 'Aww, schraubt es.= Ich > war nicht wirklich hungrig irgendwie.'" - Dunkles-Meer Melvin >=20 > "Give a man a fish; feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll= say > 'Aww fuck it, I wasn't really hungry anyway.'" - Doug Melvin >=20 > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 12:12:28 +1100 From: "Graham B" <graham@renegade2K.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Dream Theater Gold2000 !!???? Message-ID: <200003190115.e2J1FgE13064@sampa.simpleweb.com.br>
> Funny, I thought they were all pressed in Mike Bahr's basement. > My bad...
Last I heard Mr.Bahr was pressing bootlegs from his prison cell. With his 'reputation' amongst DT and Rush fans somewhat tarnished, he's now ripping off, ugh, I mean selling boots of Hanson Michael Bolton and Garth Brooks to unsuspecting fans.
> This place has become BORING over the last week. hehehe.
No kidding, what we need is another lively 'debate' :)
gaz
or Graham for those of you who are intellectually impaired :)
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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:48:38 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: help with MP3 shows Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000318214824.00a3ea20@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
OK, dude. I need both these shows. Is the sound quality any good? At 03:11 PM 3/18/00 , you wrote:
>Hi there! > >I've got two old DT shows as MP3:s, but I don't know where they are >from. Or rather... both are mistakenly labelled Hampton Beach 8/4/98. >I've checked out the Lines In The Sand tourography but it doesn't hold >any info for this date so that can't help me. > >The shorter of the shows consist of: > > ACOS 1&2 > Just Let Me Breathe > Take The Time (w/ Hot For Teacher jam) > Hollow Years (Mike yells "is everybody high!!!" during section after >solo) > Caught In A Web > Lie > Peruvian Skies (w/ Have A Cigar) > Pull Me Under > Metropolis / Learning To Live / ACOS 7 > >James mentions the weather/rain, and he's glad people stayed for the >day. Plus he says their broadcasting via radio. What is this? Is this >the Hampton Beach one from the ELP/DP tour?!? For what I know that was a >headlining show, but the set's still just 1:17. It's different however, >from when I saw them in LA on the last date of the tour, as I recall. >The sound is alright, quite a lot of hiss, but nice drum sound, not the >typical "DAT boot sound". > >But then, what is this?!?! > > ACOS 1&2 > Puppies On Acid > Just Let Me Breathe (Mike yells "get your fuckin ass..." during intro) > New Millennium > 6:00 > Under A Glass Moon (with the "swing feel" thing before the 2nd verse) > Hollow Years (Mike yells "we love you all!!!" during section after >solo) > Piano Solo (the Platypus-y one) > Lines In The Sand > Caught In A Web (with drum solo, no "hear the drummer get...", the end >sequence x 3) > Peruvian Skies (short doodle before starting, plus Have A Cigar & Enter >Sandman bits) > Guitar Solo (8:40 long, with Paradigm Shift etc) > Pull Me Under > Metropolis / Learning To Live / ACOS 7 > >James says something about them playing on a beach, and that's the last >headlining show of the Falling Into Infinity Tour before going with ELP >and DP. He says they already recorded the double live album in Europe, >so this must be the US. He says it's a tuesday and Hampton Beach 8/4/98 >was a tuesday. The show is 1:47 long. > >But in that case, what is the first one then? Where did it rain like >hell on that tour, and why did James thank them for staying all that >long, DT opened on the tour. I'm very confused. > >I'm grateful for all help on this! > >/Mats > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Mats Rydstr=F6m - Music & Technology Editor > SLITZ - SCANDINAVIA'S LEADING MEN'S MAGAZINE > mats.rydstrom@slitz.se - www.slitz.se >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Buy More to Save More SALE @ CD Now: > http://www.cdnow.com/from=3Dsr-733163
-- Damon Fibraio, and new guide dog Melody email: dfibraio@home.com computer consultant, musician, radio broadcaster, and public nuisance Listen to No Holds Barred Radio. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Live show on Tuesdays from 8 to 11 p.m. eastern time go to http://www.nhbradio.com for more details or point winamp to=20 216.32.166.89:21944. "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take the Time,=20 Images and Words
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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 01:59:51 -0600 From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Finnaly bought Planet X Message-ID: <20000319.015953.11670.10.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
After two listens, I have concluded this CD is good. Derek has talent, and puts it to good use. the drumming is also very good. thats all I have to say about that. the CD is worth 16 bucks and its good. Goodnight
Kurt I am feeling rather loopy right now
Has anyone seen the Pantera shirts the workers at Wherehouse music are wearing? that is coolness, they are promoting the hell out of pantera.
"and though it leads to nowhere, you part debris and keep on going" - Doubledrive "Gone" "Im inspired and content"-Dream Theater "Scarred" 45.2 % of Americans pee in the shower
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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:51:50 +0200 From: O-P Komonen <op777@surffi.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: re:Platypus- Ice Cycles- Buy It! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20000318215150.006cb320@mail.surffi.net>
On jam 5392 Isaac Sabetai wrote:
>Ice Cycles is by far the best DT side project, though haven't heard >Transatlantic, yet,
I got both, Ice Cycles and Transatlantic couple days ago, and all I can say is... your opinion will change :D (not that Ice Cycles is bad... I like it a lot, Ty is awesome!)
op777
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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 09:11:11 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: DT Gold 2000 Message-ID: <38D48B9F.587D0ECA@mol.com.mk>
:))) I thought posting on the jam when I saw this too but forgot it. Yeah, I saw it too. I was dazed for a moment. I think those were all Russian or Bulgarian pirate CDs, and since OIALT they did pirate versions of all DT CDs. We have it all here. Just few days ago I was in the shop, a shop of pirate CDs all, and there they were all: OIALT, SFAM, DTG200.
And it's so damn difficult to resist. I remember I was waiting my OIALT CD for so long because of some problems with the pal studying in USA. Originally I was supposed to get it first from all my DT pals here, but nah, they got it on pirate CD. I finally got OIALT 3 months ago. :( And now with SFAM, similar situation. Bah..
My assupmtion is that the pirates saw that DT is getting a lil' more exposed and known so they made their own "Best Of" compilation. IMHO, "Best Of" albums almost always sucks but this one is REALLY a bad one. :)
Now, if only these pirates knew Mike Bahr, we would have new DT albums popping up everywhere. ;o)
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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:11:45 +0200 From: Emre Topuzoglu <Emret@ispro.net.tr> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Met2000 videos Message-ID: <38D51861.63CDD817@ispro.net.tr>
does it worth to pay $30 for a Met2000 video ?
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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:29:16 +0100 From: "Mats Rydstrom" <mats.rydstrom@slitz.se> To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: new single, 106.7 and 95.3 Message-ID: <LPBBJGAMJBDDIHCPCHPPCEAICCAA.mats.rydstrom@slitz.se>
Y'all!
I found loads and loads, at least 50 copies, of the Through Her Eyes single in Mega Skivakademien, the largest CD store in Stockholm Sweden. They were just unpacking em yesterday. The price is 79 kr. Quite an optimistic shipment, since their singles dpt is very dance oriented. So Swedish jammers, there's no excuse this time for not owning a DT single. With the previous ones, it's been maybe 3 or 4 copies on display per store.
Tonite it's PROG-O-RAMA time once again, at 1-2 AM, the frequency is of course Stockholms Studentradio 95,3 MHz. We'll feature newly remastered King Crimson, live trax from The Flower Kings, something from avant band French TV plus a Steely Dan special.
Foreign listeners can download three great prog MP3:s on our home page, visit http://www.progorama.web.com. This month's featured tracks are: * King Crimson - Ladies Of The Road (live) * Abramis Brama - Mesmerization Eclipse * Qoph - Dancing Madly Backwards.
The latter two are Captain Beyond covers from the newly released tribute album, however these versions are sung in Swedish. The Qoph one is very proggy, compared to the original one. Anyone here heard of Captain Beyond before? They released three albums in the early-mid 70's, lineup consisted of Rod Evans (ex-Deep Purple Mk 1), Rhino (ex-Iron Butterfly), Bobby Caldwell (Johnny Winter...)
And yes... whoa, the Dr Rock show, at Rockklassiker 106,7 FM has a DT special right now, they're playing Erotomania and give away CD's.
/Mats
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mats Rydstr)Böm - Music & Technology Editor SLITZ - SCANDINAVIA'S LEADING MEN'S MAGAZINE mats.rydstrom@slitz.se - www.slitz.se ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Buy More to Save More SALE @ CD Now: http://www.cdnow.com/from=sr-733163
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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 21:10:09 +0200 From: "Jyrki Takalo-Kastari" <deadhead@nic.fi> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: new single, 106.7 and 95.3 Message-ID: <001901bf91d6$bf3343a0$13ee26d4@masiina>
----- Original Message ----- ]From: "Mats Rydstrom" <mats.rydstrom@slitz.se> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 8:45 PM Subject: new single, 106.7 and 95.3
> > Y'all! > > I found loads and loads, at least 50 copies, of the Through Her Eyes > single in Mega Skivakademien, the largest CD store in Stockholm Sweden.
I just wish that was the case in here too. I went through all five record shops here and found only one copy of the single but even that was reserved. Well one of the salesmen said that they are getting more next week (It's been couple of days when I was looking for it). I just hope I get one tomorrow.
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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 08:05:10 +0100 From: Matej <izolit@siol.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Satch Message-ID: <38D47C26.652FB820@siol.net>
>> > > Don't hold your breath. Satch has gone electronic on us. > > Matej
Both the mp3s i got sound really good and definately interesting and different..... this is not a personal flame, but some of you guys need to open your minds a bit.
<< I know it sounded like I was displeased with the new direction that Satch tried. I was kinda trying to emphasise that it's not your tipical satriani album. While I preffer real drummers and conventional setup, I'm kinda drawn to the new direction, I think it's cool. And don't call me narrowminded, I have 400 CDs of ALL kinds of music, and yah, some electronic too :)
Matej, can't wait til my Roland V-drums finally arrive
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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 15:48:53 -0500 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Satch Message-ID: <38D53D34.6417DB08@yunque.net>
Matej wrote:
> < > I know it sounded like I was displeased with the new direction > that Satch tried. I was kinda trying to emphasise that it's > not your tipical satriani album. While I preffer real drummers > and conventional setup, I'm kinda drawn to the new direction, > I think it's cool. And don't call me narrowminded, I have 400 > CDs of ALL kinds of music, and yah, some electronic too :) > > Matej, can't wait til my Roland V-drums finally arrive
Cool! So it was a misunderstanding then..i apologize Matej! Couldnt help it, since i know there are a lot of people on this list who are definately narrow minded for music that is not "prog" or "shred" or filled with lots of technical stuff.
Come into this night, Your plight alone Carry your weight, You are flawed as all of us Come into this night, You only home It)B´s never too late, To repent, suffer the loss Opeth : Benighted Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org
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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 14:00:06 -0600 From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Satch Album Message-ID: <000f01bf91dd$ba1b1440$abf3fea9@madstation>
> Don't hold your breath. Satch has gone electronic on us.
Close your mind. You'll find all you need with your eyes.
- Chris
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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 13:42:49 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Satch Album Message-ID: <002701bf91e3$b7201500$7e0d84d0@default>
> > Don't hold your breath. Satch has gone electronic on us. > > Close your mind. You'll find all you need with your eyes.
heh. I'm actually glad to see that Satch has decided to do something new for a change. As much as I like Satch and his playing, all of his old shit (sans the s/t album) sounds the damn same. :P It's like he got big after the "Surfing" album and decided to make 4 more albums of that shit. :P I can't wait to hear the new stuff, even if I'm not a techno-style fan. I'm anxious to see what he can do with it. :) -- KorgX3 finds all he needs with his antennae. NP: Fates Warning - Point of View.mp3
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