YTSEJAM Digest 5470
Today's Topics:
1) FINALLY!
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
2) Re:Weakest Songs
by CT0409@aol.com
3) recording from a commercial video.....
by Eric George <edgeorge@geneva.edu>
4) Partha's Words
by "Webmaster Ytsejam.com" <webmaster@ytsejam.com>
5) Re: definite articles
by "Ryan Park" <rpark@space-dye.com>
6) FII
by "Webmaster Ytsejam.com" <webmaster@ytsejam.com>
7) MP3 CDs / Jadis
by WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu>
8) Re: MP3 CDs / Jadis
by Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net>
9) Stuff
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
10) re: bill of rights?
by "Sullivan,Patrick M. (E-Mail, Utilities)"
11) Re: female prog singers
by Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net>
12) MP3s / Ripper
by WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5469
by "Marko Randjelovic" <mladimir@ptt.yu>
14) John Myung
by Ksue <snusm@rsuh.ru>
15) Re: MP3s / Ripper
by Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net>
16) Labrie = Leonardo da Vinci
by "Gilberto Bressan Junior" <gbressanjr@sti.com.br>
17) Andre Matos new band
by "Gilberto Bressan Junior" <gbressanjr@sti.com.br>
18) names...
by "Yam Bun" <bassgod_myung@hotmail.com>
19) Re: Stuff
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
20) Re: Andre Matos new band
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
21) Hollow Years/Portnoy lyrics
by "Michael G. Benoit" <michael.g.benoit@worldnet.att.net>
22) Re: most disliked DT song
by Cluck42@aol.com
23) Re: recording from a commercial video.....
by "Graham B" <graham@renegade2K.com>
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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 10:37:05 -0400
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: FINALLY!
Message-ID: <245F7E2FFC57D311A6DF0090273628B03BF673@AMSC_NTAS>
> Mike
> Division
> w/Armored Saint, May 21st, Jaxx. All Ages.
>
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>
> End of YTSEJAM Digest 5469
> **************************
After all these friggin' years, I FINALLY got an EOJ! Now I only need about
3000 to catch Bafu...
Mike
Division
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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 10:33:31 EDT
From: CT0409@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re:Weakest Songs
Message-ID: <b2.4ee15b7.26497bbb@aol.com>
Hi!
Well I can only express my hope that those 17 Voters do not represent the
opinion of most DT Fans! In my eyes Another Day is one of their finset
moments along with Surrounded and Wait for Sleep!
Well, just my opion! CT
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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 10:32:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric George <edgeorge@geneva.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: recording from a commercial video.....
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1000509100721.11380A-100000@sparcy.geneva.edu>
well, i suppose that it's time to de-lurk. to respond to the
question asked earlier about recording from a commercial video, here goes.
i had watched the metallica video "cunning stunts" several times, but
didn't care for all the songs. more importantly, i didn't want to have to
have a vcr handy every time i wanted to hear what IMHO is the most
emotion-filled & beautiful rendition of "fade to black" i've ever heard.
so, the problem was solved as follows:
i took the vcr & ran it directly to the computer (audio, at
least). i then played through it, using goldwave to record & edit the
songs that i wanted (i.e.- removing some unwanted background noise,
tapering the songs to fade in & out, etc.), then changed them to mp3
format, & then burnt them onto a cd. the result: a sort of best-of-live
bootleg that technically doesn't exist. it worked well for me. so, to
make a short story long, it's not a half bad alternative in order to get
much-loved video performances onto a cd's convenience.
on more thing: does anyone know where i can get a copy of the DT
"acoustic dreams" boot taken from the rotterdam fanclub show? i'd love to
get a copy of the whole show rather than use the above mentioned process
to only get a few songs from my well worn copy of 5YIAL. does anyone else
besides me think that their rendition of "lifting shadows..." on that
video is hands-down the most beautiful ever heard? and please, if you
know where i can get a copy, please no "mp3-burns" of the show. i believe
that little annoyance was addressed in previous jams. thanks.
-Ryften
NP: "Imaginning" -GTR
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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 07:41:14 -0800 (PST)
From: "Webmaster Ytsejam.com" <webmaster@ytsejam.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Partha's Words
Message-ID: <20000509144117.AC96AB0AF@sitemail.everyone.net>
on 5/9/00 Partha Mukhopadhyay, standing on his head in the rain by a cow, said:
>About Marillion's "Brave": It says in the liner notes to turn off the lights
>and play it loud, but I must be doing something wrong.....I keep falling
>asleep.
>Long Live Fish
>Partha
Partha, you echo my thoughts exactly.
-Koggie
NP: Fish "The Complete BBC Sessions"
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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 10:50:26 -0400
From: "Ryan Park" <rpark@space-dye.com>
To: <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
Cc: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: definite articles
Message-ID: <NDBBKMFPMKNHENPACFDDEEOPCFAA.rpark@space-dye.com>
On Mon, 08 May 2000, Partha Mukhopadhyay wrote:
> way back two days ago, this list saw mention of Magna Carta discs as
> being poorly produced, lacking guitar punch, and once again, I find
> myself not understanding what exactly is being meant by that. Some
> have tried to disperse my ignorance before, and failed (probably my
> fault, stone ears and all)....this time, I want specific instances,
> times if possible, and comparison album/segments, so i, a poor
> non-musician, might be able to figure out what the hell guitar
> tone/production is all about.
The newer Magna Carta releases have sounded really good. Two of my favorite
CDs of last year were the ELP tribute, and the Mullmuzzler disc, and I
thought both had exceptional sound. Both were produced by Terry Brown (I
think... at least, he was involved with both). Coincidence? I think not.
But the earlier Magna Carta releases weren't so hot. On LTE 1, Jordan's
keyboard clips (creates distortion because it was recorded too loudly).
I've listened to parts of their Yes tribute album, and it seemed to be
lacking in overall clarity. Oh, and they let Devin Townsend get away with
some HIDEOUS vocals on the Rush tribute album... :)
Ryan
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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 07:53:07 -0800 (PST)
From: "Webmaster Ytsejam.com" <webmaster@ytsejam.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: FII
Message-ID: <20000509145307.B0E1960BE@sitemail.everyone.net>
>> too many metalheads on this list who cant appreciate a well-written song :)
>Yeah, metalheads and elitist progwhores are a deadly combination, no doubt.
>;)
-Still, IMHO, FII is a weak release compared to I&W, AWAKE and SFaM
-Koggie
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Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 11:11:36 -0400
From: WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: MP3 CDs / Jadis
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000509105717.00ae5300@cs.millersville.edu>
Ryften wrote:
> i then played through it, using goldwave to record & edit the
>songs that i wanted (i.e.- removing some unwanted background noise,
>tapering the songs to fade in & out, etc.), then changed them to mp3
>format, & then burnt them onto a cd.
I don't understand why anyone would do this. If you have the original
WAVs, *WHY* would you want to convert them to MP3 before burning to
CD? Unless there's some spatial issue I don't know here (need to fit 6
hours of material onto 1 CD), this seems ridiculous to me. Even if there
is a spatial issue, is sound quality loss in putting 6 hours of material on
1 CD really worth the $5 or whatever you'd spend more on 5 more CD-Rs? Oy...
In other news:
If you're a fan of neoprog (Marillion, IQ, etc.), I just did an interview
with Gary Chandler, guitarist/singer/songwriter of the British band
Jadis. There's a couple officially-sanctioned MP3 soundclips on there too,
from their new album 'Understand'.
http://www.millersville.edu/~wixq/Automaton/interview.html
Over and out.
Brian
[NP...Nexus -- Detras del Umbral]
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Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 11:20:04 -0400
From: Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com, Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: MP3 CDs / Jadis
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000509111833.00b3d340@pop.ecosoft.com>
At 08:18 AM 5/9/00 -0700, WB Henderson wrote:
>Ryften wrote:
>
> > i then played through it, using goldwave to record & edit the
> >songs that i wanted (i.e.- removing some unwanted background noise,
> >tapering the songs to fade in & out, etc.), then changed them to mp3
> >format, & then burnt them onto a cd.
>
>I don't understand why anyone would do this. If you have the original
>WAVs, *WHY* would you want to convert them to MP3 before burning to
>CD? Unless there's some spatial issue I don't know here (need to fit 6
>hours of material onto 1 CD), this seems ridiculous to me. Even if there
>is a spatial issue, is sound quality loss in putting 6 hours of material on
>1 CD really worth the $5 or whatever you'd spend more on 5 more CD-Rs? Oy...
There is no quality loss when you convert a wav to an mp3. I know that once
i get my car MP3 player i'll be ripping and burning thousands of songs. It
kicks ass having 1 cd thats nothing but a bands entire catalog, with rare
cuts and boots on one disk...
>In other news:
>
>If you're a fan of neoprog (Marillion, IQ, etc.), I just did an interview
>with Gary Chandler, guitarist/singer/songwriter of the British band
>Jadis. There's a couple officially-sanctioned MP3 soundclips on there too,
>from their new album 'Understand'.
>
>http://www.millersville.edu/~wixq/Automaton/interview.html
>
>Over and out.
>
>Brian
>
>[NP...Nexus -- Detras del Umbral]
>
>==================================
>WB Henderson [wbhender@cs.millersville.edu]
>WIXQ ON-LINE: http://www.wixq.com
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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 11:21:48 -0400
From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Stuff
Message-ID: <20000509112148.A12940@optical.mindstorm.com>
On 2000-05-09 at 07:30 -0700, ytsejam@torchsong.com
<ytsejam@torchsong.com> truly believed:
> Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 19:02:06 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Mike Pelarski <jomega@minn.net>
> Subject: Re: female prog singers
>
> > >and my dream is to have a prog band of my own (but who wants a female
> > >prog singer?)
>
> [big list snipped]
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Braindance yet. True, the
two ladies in the band only sing backup, but what voices! And is it
me, or have I yet to see finneus gauge mentioned in that list?
---> Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 20:46:15 -0400 > From: "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com> > Subject: Pink Floyd: The Wall Live > > Cheers, > Marky Mark
Oh, that's a frightening thought. :)
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> Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 23:06:19 -0400 > From: "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> > Subject: CD price vs. MUSIC price, Government > > Don't even get me started on the Bill of Rights. I stand > behind it in principle, of course, but over the past 30 > years (a little more than all my life, so far) it has not > done as much to protect law-abiding citizens as it has to > protect criminals. Klan meetings in the name of Free > Assembly. Racist and xenophobic propaganda in the name of > Free Speech. It makes me sick.
Just remember that if their rights to peaceably assemble get taken away, yours could be next. Little legal term called "precedent". Who was it that said "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"?
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> Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 23:05:59 -0500 (CDT) > From: Robert Taylor <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu> > Subject: Re: Transatlantic special edition > > Forgive me if someone mentioned these places already, but you can order it > at The Laser's Edge (www.lasercd.com) or Alta Mira > (www.calldownthethunder.com) for $20 at each place. But once it is out of > stock, it's gone!
I actually ordered mine from Radiant (www.radiantrecords.com). You could probably also get it straight from Inside Out (www.insideout.de).
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> Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 23:17:15 -0500 > From: Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> > Subject: Re: DT's weakest poll results > > For the record, I think Hollow Years is one of about three songs on FII that > are actually good...there's also about three that really suck liquid shit,
I would raise each of those totals a bit, myself. Not that anyone cares. I just wanted to quote Brian saying "suck liquid shit." :)
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> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 02:58:07 -0500 > From: Mark Peters <epididymisle@earthlink.net> > Subject: NDTC - "Metal God" > > I heard a blurb about a movie that's in preproduction called "Metal > God." It's supposed to be about the life of Ripper Owens,
Ripper?!? How dare they make a movie called "Metal God" about anyone but Halford? Ripper's ok, but There Can Be Only One.
> and Dirk Diggler (his real name escapes me)
That would be Mark Metzger. :)
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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 11:28:53 -0400 From: "Sullivan,Patrick M. (E-Mail, Utilities)" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: re: bill of rights? Message-ID: <22992A14C66AD311AC1A00508B0FB78A0113068C@sr12oriole.caregroup.harvard.edu>
----- Don't even get me started on the Bill of Rights. I stand behind it in principle, of course, but over the past 30 years (a little more than all my life, so far) it has not done as much to protect law-abiding citizens as it has to protect criminals. Klan meetings in the name of Free Assembly. Racist and xenophobic propaganda in the name of Free Speech. It makes me sick. -----
One minor detail: The KKK is not a criminal organization, and racism and xenophobia are not inherently criminal activities. *You* may not agree with what they say or do, and may find it incredibly distasteful, but no one voted you the keeper-of-all-that-is-wholesome-and-good. "I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
----- There are many operative words in there, but let me point out a couple in particular: UNREASONABLE. PROBABLE. If the right to privacy is guaranteed ABSOLUTELY, then by the time anyone determines whether a search is reasonable or cause is probable IT'S TOO LATE. -----
Too late for what? What exactly is it you are trying to prevent here?
----- Orwellian, yes. Abuse? According to whom/what? The Constitution? The Constitution is an archaic document written by slaveowners who have been dead for 200 years. The country has changed in that time. The Bill of Rights should change, too. -----
Hahaha. The typical knee-jerk reaction. "They were old, white people who owned slaves a long time ago; therefore, their opinions don't matter anymore". Maybe not to you, but some of us *do* care.
And incidentally (amusingly enough), the Bill of Rights *was* a change to the Constitution. You see, those archaic slaveowners considered the possibility that their document might need to adapt to the times, and supplied a prcedure to adapt it *right in the document*. Amazing that they had that much foresight, huh?
----- What is everyone so ashamed of? -----
I'm ashamed of people like you who assume that anyone who opposes opening themselves up to the world must have something to hide. I don't want anyone looking because the only reason to look is if you presume there is something there to find; the presumption that I am doing something wrong - in essense, a presumption of guilt. And another one of those founding principles that I believe in (and you probably also find distasteful) is the presumption of innocence.
In other words, I have nothing to hide - but that doesn't mean I'm not going to hide it anyway.
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Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 11:36:30 -0400 From: Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com, Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: female prog singers Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000509113528.00b39220@pop.ecosoft.com>
Ok, My gf was really interested in checking out female prog singers. The only i've heard is nightwish. Where can i find some of these bands to check em out? rather listen to an mp3 or such before i go out and guy a cd. Anyone have any links?
At 05:14 PM 5/8/00 -0700, Mike Pelarski wrote:
>On Mon, 8 May 2000, Trevor Hoit wrote: > > A couple other people wrote: > > >and my dream is to have a prog band of my own (but who wants a female > > >prog singer?) > > hmmm.... Renaissance, ArsNova, Halloween, Glass Hammer, > > White Willow, Relayer(?), Magma, Henry Cow, Velvet Hammer.... > > > > The Gathering, Mastermind, Finneus Gauge.... > >and Anekdoten, The Changelings, Decoryah, Dreams of Sanity(2), >Egg(3), Emerald Tiers, Final Conflict, Grits, Iona, Leger de Main, >National Health (ok, Amanda's one of the 3 in Egg...), Nightwish, >Squonk Opera, Theatre of Tragedy, Therion(4), Thinking Plague, >The Third And The Mortal (as well as Kari Rueslatten solo), >and U Totem. And Renaissance again, cuz Annie's cool enough >to be mentioned twice. > >If we can include pop-with-proggish-leanings, add Tori Amos, >Kate Bush, Lili Haydn, October Project(2), and Jane Siberry. > >And I don't think ArsNova counts. All three are female, >but they're all-instrumental, AFAIK. > >--Jay "/me hums a bar of 'too much time on my hands'" Omega >--NP: Nine Inch Nails - The Fragile
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Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 11:49:05 -0400 From: WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: MP3s / Ripper Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000509113228.00ae8c20@cs.millersville.edu>
Robb Muise wrote:
>There is no quality loss when you convert a wav to an mp3.
MP3 is defined as "near CD quality". WAVs are "CD quality". If you don't think there's a quality loss, then it's just because you don't hear it.
Layer-3 FAQ:
"MPEG Layer-3 is a perceptual audio coding scheme, exploiting the properties of the human ear, and trying to maintain the original sound quality as far as possible."
A cool site offering sound quality comparisons of a number of different lossy compression formats:
http://www.math.auth.gr/~axonis/studies/audio.htm
>Ripper?!? How dare they make a movie called "Metal God" about anyone >but Halford? Ripper's ok, but There Can Be Only One.
It's the fairy tale aspect of it all. Singer of a cover band gets asked to be in the band they cover. It's so...<sniff>...beautiful...
Brian
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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 17:08:02 +0200 From: "Marko Randjelovic" <mladimir@ptt.yu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5469 Message-ID: <01bfb9c8$5f8df5c0$LocalHost@king>
Yeah, tooooooooo many! As Portnoy said in Tokyo: 'Balls n chunk is where it's at.'
-----Original Message----- ]From: ytsejam@torchsong.com <ytsejam@torchsong.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Date: Tuesday, 09 May, 2000 16:30 Subject: YTSEJAM digest 5469
|too many metalheads on this list who cant appreciate a well-written song :)
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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 20:12:03 +0400 From: Ksue <snusm@rsuh.ru> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: John Myung Message-ID: <3841.000509@rsuh.ru>
Hello everybody... I have problem... Tell me, native speakers, how should i pronounce DT bassist's surname? Thank ya!
ksue
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Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 12:11:38 -0400 From: Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com, Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: MP3s / Ripper Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000509121101.00aba7d0@pop.ecosoft.com>
Hrmm I thought it was one in the same, if the quality change is so imperceptible to my ear, its all good to me.
At 09:00 AM 5/9/00 -0700, WB Henderson wrote:
>Robb Muise wrote: > > >There is no quality loss when you convert a wav to an mp3. > >MP3 is defined as "near CD quality". WAVs are "CD quality". If you don't >think there's a quality loss, then it's just because you don't hear it. > >Layer-3 FAQ: > >"MPEG Layer-3 is a perceptual audio coding scheme, exploiting the >properties of the human ear, and trying to maintain the original sound >quality as far as possible." > >A cool site offering sound quality comparisons of a number of different >lossy compression formats: > >http://www.math.auth.gr/~axonis/studies/audio.htm > > >Ripper?!? How dare they make a movie called "Metal God" about anyone > >but Halford? Ripper's ok, but There Can Be Only One. > >It's the fairy tale aspect of it all. Singer of a cover band gets asked to >be in the band they cover. It's so...<sniff>...beautiful... > >Brian > >================================== >WB Henderson [wbhender@cs.millersville.edu] >WIXQ ON-LINE: http://www.wixq.com >Automaton Hit Parade (progrock radio): > http://www.millersville.edu/~wixq/Automaton >==================================
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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 14:13:41 -0300 From: "Gilberto Bressan Junior" <gbressanjr@sti.com.br> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Labrie = Leonardo da Vinci Message-ID: <020101bfb9d9$ed50cac0$ab5abcc8@b>
Magna Carta will release on August a cd called "Leonardo - The Absolute Man", an opera-rock wirtten & directed by Trent Gardner.
Cast of Characters:
Leonardo da Vinci - James LaBrie Ser Piero da Vinci - Vacant Caterina - Michelle Young Lorenzo de Medici - Josh Pincus Chorus - Trent Gardner Giovan Francesco - Melzi Mike Baker Andrea del Verrocchio - Trent Gardner Students (at Predis Botteghe) - Trent Gardner Salai (aka 'Giacomo') - Robert Berry Court - Trent Gardner Bartolomeo Calco - Steve Walsh Ludovico il Moro Sforza - Chris Shryack Francois I - Bret Douglas
[]s Gilberto
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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 14:39:43 -0300 From: "Gilberto Bressan Junior" <gbressanjr@sti.com.br> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Andre Matos new band Message-ID: <020e01bfb9dd$92b66080$ab5abcc8@b>
Now lets spread the word ...hot news
ex-Angra vocalist teamed up with Sascha Paeth on a band called VIRGO.
www.virgo-online.de (very slow loading page)
[]s Gilberto
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Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 17:59:07 GMT From: "Yam Bun" <bassgod_myung@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: names... Message-ID: <20000509175907.16715.qmail@hotmail.com>
i saw the message about pronouncing myung's name... embrassingly enough, i'm not that sure if mine is right...
can anyone do a rough pronouciation list for all the members? would like to know if i have been saying their names wrongly all this time...
zhang!
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Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 13:31:00 +0000 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Stuff Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000509133100.016af4e0@pi-r-squared.com>
>> Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 23:06:19 -0400 >> From: "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> >> Subject: CD price vs. MUSIC price, Government >> >> Don't even get me started on the Bill of Rights. I stand >> behind it in principle, of course, but over the past 30 >> years (a little more than all my life, so far) it has not >> done as much to protect law-abiding citizens as it has to >> protect criminals. Klan meetings in the name of Free >> Assembly. Racist and xenophobic propaganda in the name of >> Free Speech. It makes me sick. >
>Just remember that if their rights to peaceably assemble get taken >away, yours could be next. Little legal term called "precedent". Who >was it that said "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to >the death your right to say it"?
Voltaire. I think this was mentioned once already, but maybe it was on a different list. As far as Steve's comments go, I don't know how they got past me the first time. We must defend the rights of ALL citizens to speak, no matter how "vile" their words.
It's very easy to say, we should all be able to speak, except for so and so because he's sick, and believe we are defending liberty, or minority rights or what have you. But who is to say who is a criminal? Who is to say who is wrong? In the late 19th, and early 20th century, ideas like equal rights, and NON-xenophobic propaganda, were considered DANGEROUS and criminal. People would make the same statements you are now: "the bill of rights is good in theory, but all its done lately is support criminals who want to undermine the security of our nation." Now the other side is in power, and it' s the opposite that are considered dangerous. But is the left any more correct to censor the right, than the right was to censor the left? To me it would be total hyppocrisy.
Lemme put it like this. You may think you are fighting the neo-nazis by suppressing their pamphlets and books, but all you're really doing is BEING EXACTLY LIKE THEM!
Palpatine www.pi-r-squared.com/brad/ Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian of Anime-no-kai
"Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel
"There is nothing more pragmatic than idealism" -David Mamet
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Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 13:36:43 +0000 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Andre Matos new band Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000509133643.016b2f04@pi-r-squared.com>
At 10:52 AM 5/9/00 -0700, you wrote: > >Now lets spread the word ...hot news > >ex-Angra vocalist teamed up with Sascha Paeth on a band called VIRGO.
*ex* Angra vocalist? since when? Maybe, now I'll be able to listen to Angra and like it ;)
Palpatine www.pi-r-squared.com/brad/ Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian of Anime-no-kai
"Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel
"There is nothing more pragmatic than idealism" -David Mamet
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Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 14:52:05 -0400 From: "Michael G. Benoit" <michael.g.benoit@worldnet.att.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Hollow Years/Portnoy lyrics Message-ID: <39185E55.57C9F5FB@worldnet.att.net>
yup, i also think hollow years is a good song. damn all you non-mellow loving people out there! :D and though i think portnoy's lyrics have gone downhill, so have everyone else's in the band. they used to be good...now they're not. pretty simple to me. but stuff like ACOS and The Mirror were very good lyrically IMHO. so there
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Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 15:11:04 EDT From: Cluck42@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: most disliked DT song Message-ID: <8e.4d15422.2649bcc8@aol.com>
In a message dated 5/9/00 10:27:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< 1 VOTE: A Fortune In Lies, Status Seeker, The Ytse Jam, Light Fuse And Get Away, Surrounded, Wait For Sleep, 6:00, Regression >>
REGRESSION? hmmm...that was a surprise. its not their best song, but IMO i think its great for its purpose- short and to the point to introduce the plot of SFaM. its got some pretty cool chord progresions and seems like a nice acoustic song. but hey- thats just my opinion, so im not trying to piss anyone off! :) <raises white flag> well, gotta study for my bio exam, so im outta here! later ytse-jammers! ROSE ALAIMO cluck42@aol.com "Our deeds have traveled far, what we have been is what we are." -Dream Theater "She screams for me, not at me." -SRV about his guitar
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Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 05:34:58 +1000 From: "Graham B" <graham@renegade2K.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: recording from a commercial video..... Message-ID: <200005092042.e49Kgdj03653@sampa.simpleweb.com.br>
> on more thing: does anyone know where i can get a copy of the DT > "acoustic dreams" boot taken from the rotterdam fanclub show? i'd > love to get a copy of the whole show rather than use the above > mentioned process to only get a few songs from my well worn copy of > 5YIAL. does anyone else besides me think that their rendition of > "lifting shadows..." on that video is hands-down the most beautiful > ever heard? and please, if you know where i can get a copy, please no > "mp3-burns" of the show. i believe that little annoyance was > addressed in previous jams. thanks.
The Rotterdam Fan Club show boot is not called Acoustic Dreams. That boot is a old boot put out by that lying cheating scumbag Mr.Bahr.
There are 2 boots AFAIK made from the Rotterdam show, they are: 'Nighttime Nostalgia' and 'Once In A Livetime, the way it should be'
gaz
NP - Nightwish 'Wishmaster'
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