YTSEJAM Digest 5480
Today's Topics:
1) Wishmaster soundsamples (ndtc)
by "Tanja Sorsa" <Tanja.Sorsa@fng.fi>
2) Re: DT in Tokyo/Shibuya (15-5-2000)
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
3) tool riff
by rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com>
4) Re: "Home" and "Forty Six and Two"
by MaxArbot@aol.com
5) and i guess that's why they call it the blues... / unecessary zoom
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
6) lit-tlf
by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
7) Re: crimson glory...Dream Dancer
by MentalHunk@aol.com
8) Japanese show....dvd foreshadowing ?
by MentalHunk@aol.com
9) Re: DT in Tokyo/Shibuya (15-5-2000)
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
10) Re: CD expansion
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
11) Re: lit-tlf
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5479
by Bm2112dt@aol.com
13) re: CD Expansion
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5479
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
15) re: "Home" and "Forty Six and Two"
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
16) Re: Japanese show....dvd foreshadowing ?
by "Graham B" <graham@renegade2K.com>
17) Re: Miami????
by "tomas valodka" <tvalodka@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
18) Re:Oops...I did it again. Portnoy Sig Cymbals
by EvoReaper@aol.com
19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5479
by Brian Larkin <ambicwts@mail.ptd.net>
20) Listen to new Wolverine-songs...
by "Stefan Zell" <stefanzell@hotmail.com>
21) Macedonian no-talent
by =?iso-8859-1?Q?PETER_LIDSTR=D6M?= <winger@swipnet.se>
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:39:26 EET-2
From: "Tanja Sorsa" <Tanja.Sorsa@fng.fi>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Wishmaster soundsamples (ndtc)
Message-ID: <200005161041.NAA04277@sieni.fng.fi>
Hi.
I bought Nightwish's "Wishmaster" last Friday and totally worship
it. I dare say it's their best, all the songs are absolutely brilliant. I'd
say that the band has grown (and Tarja's grown more beautiful), the
music is maybe less "strato" than on "Oceanborn", very powerful
and beautiful. The Finnish version of the CD has a 3D cover that
works very well. You can find three full songs (RealAudio) here
("make a wish"):
Tanja
Tenze.tripod.com
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:01:07 +0100
From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: DT in Tokyo/Shibuya (15-5-2000)
Message-ID: <39212A73.22F12AEA@picsel.com>
"Metzger, Mark" wrote:
> The Japanese record company supports these guys to the hilt. One criticism
> of the Met2000 tour was that the multimedia presentation was not that
> effective with a bunch of 19 inch Sylvania Supersets plunked on top of the
> speaker towers. Well over here, they had a true full-size video screen
> behind them !!
At the two UK shows I saw, they had TVs sitting on the front of the stage,
and much larger screens suspended from the ceiling behind MP's drunkit. I
didn't measure them, though, so they may not be what you're talking about.
:-)
> Each member had a small camera placed near them and this was fed - realtime
> - to the large screen.
In Europe they had tiny video cameras on Jordan's keyboard, and in front
of JP, and looking over MP's left shoulder. Sounds just like you describe.
Were there more of them in Japan?
> Lastly, they modified the introduction and used a tape of James singing the
> intro. It was just JP and Jordan playing in low lights before the Overture
> started.
I think they also did this in Europe, although I wasn't sure if it was a
tape of James, or if he was singing offstage.
> 3) A similar thing was done with THE whereby the drums in the beginning
> were taped. This didn't go over as well because to me, MP should have been
> playing it.
Drum machine, surely? In Europe they had the drum machine playing along as
on the album, but Mike joined in on real drums towards the end to heavy it
up a bit. I thought this was awesome.
I bet Mike didn't say "Fuckin' A, Manchester!" or "Fuckin' A, London!" in
Japan. :-P
-- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland------------------------------
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 05:42:14 -0700 (PDT) From: rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: tool riff Message-ID: <20000516124214.21977.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com>
I have a boot from napster (oh no!) called " Caught in Alice's Nine Inch Tool Garden" which is a live version of Caught in a Web obviously recorded before SFAM. In the beginning of the tune, I hear the opening riff from Home when the whole band kicks in. I haven't listened to a lot of tool, so I only recognized it as the Home lick. Also on the boot, before James sings, Petrucci plays the guitar line from New Millenium. I just thought that they incorporated these ideas into other songs. If anyone has this version, let me know what you think.
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:52:34 EDT From: MaxArbot@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: "Home" and "Forty Six and Two" Message-ID: <c8.4f6ad30.2652bab2@aol.com>
Fellow (but uninformed) Jammer Dave M Klint <davek@mail.csh.rit.edu> said:
<<A jammer named Jason Birzer even made a little audio file comparing the two http://members.aol.com/DarthMetze/study.mp3)>>
<sniff, sniff> I hate it when I dont get credit for what Ive done. :o) Actually, my name is Eric Metze...who is Jason Birzer?
[eriC]
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:36:39 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: and i guess that's why they call it the blues... / unecessary zoom Message-ID: <39216B07.B8A63622@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
> > he could play it iof he wanted. It's not that hard to play the blues, > > and 99.9% of the soloing is done out of teh Blues scale, which I've
It's harder to play it than it is to sing it :P
> Well it's not just the blues that SRV has to offer. It was his playing > attitude, chord selection, his rythmics, vibratos, bends..
Definitely attitude. It was that intangible shit inside his heart/soul more than any technical wizardry or chops spewage, that drew me most to his playing. I saw SRV close out Newport Jazz Festival's last day one year (go figure, then again I've seen B.B. King there as well ;) and he brought the house down, of course.
RIP, Stevie Ray.
If you want to check out a cool tune that one Berklee-is-no-guarantee-guitarist Jon Finn had some fun with, there's a tune called "If Stevie Ray Vaughan went to Berklee and Studied Jazz" at:
http://www.jonfinn.com/srv28.ra http://www.jonfinn.com/srv56.ra
Given that Jon is influenced by both Steve Morse as well as Jeff Beck, just to name a few, there's clearly plenty of that blues influence in his arsenal from guys that have been doing since before SRV was on the scene.
metz-a-metz:
> JP wanked a bit at the end and kind of killed the mood of the song
Bad Cheetah! </dew>
> but hey, are you going to tell the cheetah not to run ??
/me goes to edit his .signature file :)
> When they envisioned a multi-media show, this is what they had > to have had in their best of dreams. It is just too bad that the only > audiences that will see this are here in Japan.
Nothing a live video wouldn't help correct. Did you notice anything to indicate the show was being video-taped? Or would that be the equivalent of audio feedback? ;)
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 09:15:16 PDT From: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: lit-tlf Message-ID: <20000516161516.3279.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hey Andrew - Could you repost the URL for that lit-tlf Mp3? Some rude member of my family must've cancelled my download halfway through, and it gets cut off right at the beginning of that cool guitar solo =^P. On the plus side, I didn't notice any bad 60-cycle hum, but I also don't notice the difference between CD's and Mp3's, so what the hell do I know? =^)
Thanks! -Fran
p.s. That Wooten-Mangini clinic was AWESOME! I highly reccomend you check out the next two. Afterwards, Victor went to sign autographs, and let anybody play his basses, under the supervision of a store employee. I now need a Fodera =^P ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:19:59 EDT From: MentalHunk@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: crimson glory...Dream Dancer Message-ID: <98.5076cd1.2652cf2f@aol.com>
I at one time had the cassette, and it did have an extra song, "Dream Dancer"....so the statement below is correct....I now have the Dream Dancer 12" single on LP....cool song
<< AFAIK Partha, there was a version of their first album with the song "Dream Dancer" on it. I *think* it was on the cassette version, but I'm not positive. The tune also appeared on the B-Side of the "Lonely" CD-Single. I don't think there were any other extra tracks associated with the first album other than that one. You may want to poke around their official website (www.crimsonglory.com) to see if you can find out any other info. >>
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:22:58 EDT From: MentalHunk@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Japanese show....dvd foreshadowing ? Message-ID: <d3.474308d.2652cfe2@aol.com>
They say its cheaper to make videos and dvds in Japan..... You don't spose they went all out on a stage show so it could come out on DVD someday ? Oh, please, Mike P., let it be so !!!!!!
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:07:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: DT in Tokyo/Shibuya (15-5-2000) Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10005161306110.21132-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Tue, 16 May 2000, Graham Borland wrote:
> > 3) A similar thing was done with THE whereby the drums in the beginning > > were taped. This didn't go over as well because to me, MP should have been > > playing it. > > Drum machine, surely? In Europe they had the drum machine playing > along as on the album, but Mike joined in on real drums towards the > end to heavy it up a bit. I thought this was awesome.
Well, it's not EXACTLY a drum machine. It's Jordan's keyboard, acting as a sequencer. I remember reading about this somewhere... They didn't want Mike playing for the reason that it was such a simple beat that they wanted something like the keyboard playing it.
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:08:41 -0500 From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: CD expansion Message-ID: <20000516.121816.-23333.0.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
Well, I would reccommend Dalis Dilemna. Very influenced by DT but they rock. I just bought Day 4 Night from Spocks Beard, and this is a band I have a feeling I am gonna get into big time. Put it this way, I listened to the disc 3 times in a row yesterday. If you like Transatlantic, you will love this band.
Kurt NP-Metallica Creeping Death (Woodstock 99 CD i got for 8 bucks yesterday)
Which reminds me, Blockbuster video is phasing out their music sections, a shitload of stuff is 9.99. I got the double woodstock CD and the double live CD from DMB for 8 bucks a piece. (employee discount)
I will make a comment about woodstock, this may seem shocking. Listening to veryone live, Korn of all people put on the most energetic perfomance. Metallica played the longest, but Korn had some energy.
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:17:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: lit-tlf Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10005161314350.21132-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Tue, 16 May 2000, Fran Brennan wrote:
> Hey Andrew - Could you repost the URL for that lit-tlf Mp3? Some rude > member of my family must've cancelled my download halfway through, and > it gets cut off right at the beginning of that cool guitar solo =^P. > On the plus side, I didn't notice any bad 60-cycle hum, but I also > don't notice the difference between CD's and Mp3's, so what the hell > do I know? =^)
http://cout.dhs.org/tlf-lit.mp3
Get it NOW, because my computer will be going down on Thursday since I'll be going home from school. I'll probably find somewhere to host it, but as of right now I don't have any place to do it. So get it soon. :)
Oh, and you may not notice the hum NOW, but in the quiet parts it's quite noticeable. Plus, you'd notice it IMMEDIATELY if it ever went AWAY.
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:40:17 EDT From: Bm2112dt@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5479 Message-ID: <32.51beaa9.2652e201@aol.com>
In regards to the "Home"/"Forty Six and Two" reference. I'm not positive, but I believe the opening riff in "Home" was taken from Met 1.
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:44:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: re: CD Expansion Message-ID: <20000516174425.9277.qmail@web125.yahoomail.com>
loric.vilesilencer.ii@grnet.com wrote:
> Needed: Advice on which albums to buy from certain progressive rock > bands in order to avoid making a mistake. An example of "mistake" would > be "Carved in Stone" by Shadow Gallery, THAT was a mistake! Also the > TSO album I bought centered around Beethoven, THAT was an even bigger one!
> I've never bought anything from Marillion, Symphony X, or Spock's > Beard, mostly because it is very difficult for me to find any CD's by any of > these bands. No operatic vocals, please.
"No operetic vocals" is a little vague. Do you like old Queensryche? Do you like Dream Theater? Or do you only want Pantera-style vocals? Let's assume that you can stand a little "good" operetic style in the vocalist.
(As for Shadow Gallery, many people don't like those vocals. You're not alone there.)
Try these:
Pain of Salvation - Entropia (Enough said.)
Symphony X - The Divine Wings of Tragedy (Neo-classical prog metal. Great vocals, great composition, shredding guitar.)
Spock's Beard - The Light (Not metal, more like classic prog rock.)
Vanden Plas - The God Thing (Very much like Awake-era Dream Theater)
Conception - Flow (A little less progressive, shorter songs, but good metal.).
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:55:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5479 Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10005161354110.28873-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Tue, 16 May 2000 Bm2112dt@aol.com wrote:
> In regards to the "Home"/"Forty Six and Two" reference. I'm not > positive, but I believe the opening riff in "Home" was taken from Met > 1.
Nope. Neither the slow opening section of "Home" nor the fast opening riff are taken from Metropolis I. The slow part at the beginning of it is most definitely a Tool reference. If you hear it (thanks Eric P Metze), you will DEFINITELY see what I mean. What's the URL for that file again?
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:05:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: re: "Home" and "Forty Six and Two" Message-ID: <20000516180511.23576.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com>
Dave M Klint <davek@mail.csh.rit.edu> wrote:
> I've wanted to get into Tool for a long time. .. > The song even has a growing instrumental in the middle > similar (while nowhere near as cool) as the Home one.
One of the similarites between Tool and DT is writing songs which "grow" or build to some sort of climax. Sometimes it's very subtle. You'll find that Tool does this just as much as DT. One of the reasons I like both bands.
> Aenima came out in 1996, SFAM in 1999. Did DT rip off the riff?
Does Howdy Doody have a wooden ass?
Is the Pope a catholic?
I'm sure the guys in DT would be the first to admit that the beginning of Home is a "Tool" riff. Of course the rest of the song is ripped from Metropolis Pt. 1. ;o)
my $.02, BH
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 05:24:28 +1000 From: "Graham B" <graham@renegade2K.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Japanese show....dvd foreshadowing ? Message-ID: <200005162028.e4GKSTj21745@sampa.simpleweb.com.br>
> They say its cheaper to make videos and dvds in Japan..... > You don't spose they went all out on a stage show so it could come out > on DVD someday ? Oh, please, Mike P., let it be so !!!!!!
LOL If you've ever visited Japan, you know that NOTHING is cheap in their :)
DVDless gaz
NP Wishmaster - as good as Tanya says and new Jani Wirmen (Children Of Bodom keyboardist) mp3.
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 17:42:08 -0400 From: "tomas valodka" <tvalodka@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Miami???? Message-ID: <4E2CDFBD12B24D11DA4E0005B803B365@tvalodka.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
I thought the only Met2k shows were West Palm, Orlando, Ybor(Tampa), and here in Jax. Although the West Palm show venue was supposedly at the Pompano Beach Amphitheater. Pompano is near Miami, but I never heard of that venue there or in West Palm Beach. West Palm and Pompano are like 75 miles apart. I used to live down south and saw shows just about everywhere. Anyone that can clarify? Any other Jammers at the Jax show besides me? Better yet ,any of the afore mentioned folks that just happened to record the show? Even if it's total sh-t, I'd like a copy. By the way, with all the Nightwish talk, I searched (unmentionable word rhymes with mapster) and d/l'd a few songs. AWESOME!!!!!!! On payday, I'm gonna have to go to my local music store and do me some special orderin'!! I'm on this female singer kick all of the sudden. I didn't even know these bands existed before the Jam. Also, in the chick vocalist thread a jam or two back did anyone mention Flowing Tears? Between them, The Gathering, Lacuna Coil, Iced Earth, Blind Guardian,and Strapping Young Lad, I'm thinking Century is THE label.
"Balls and Chunk is where it's at!" -MP
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 18:39:49 EDT From: EvoReaper@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re:Oops...I did it again. Portnoy Sig Cymbals Message-ID: <c0.3c718b8.26532835@aol.com>
I made a blunder-once again.
I know I said I downloaded the Miami show, but me, being the goofy nuts I am, meant to write Orlando. I got it from Lines In The Sand. Sorry for all the confusion!
About Mike's signature line of cymbals.
I'm not a drummer, (well...meaning I don't play drums in a band...but I can play..just not incredibly well), and I absolutely LOVE these cymbals.
My drummer, Jay, has all 6 of the cymbals, the 3 stax and the 3 splashes. Ever since he got these, his sound has filled out so much more. He uses them in just about every song. They work well in everything. The only stax I could see that would recieve some damage would be the Low Stax, which is a 10' splash and a 12' Kang. I doubt it would crack the edge, but the way it's set up, it just may. The other two stax wouldn't get a dent because there is a bottom lip on the tops and bottoms, (like sticking two china's back to back), so it's basically the same thing as keeping them the normal way. So far, the only gripe I've noticed about the splashes, are that they mark really easily. My drummer had them for a day and they had stick marks everywhere on them. It's too bad these cymbals don't come in a brilliant finish...(Unless you steal them from Mike's set :-) ) Get them all!!! Jay is considering placing another Low Stax on the other side of his set, so he can have one on each side...(he's in competition with Mike on who can have the largest set...although I'm sure Bozzio wins that one...)
Warm Regards, Andy
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Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:09:41 -0400 From: Brian Larkin <ambicwts@mail.ptd.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5479 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000516120941.007b3240@mail.ptd.net>
>From: mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
>but its some damn fine playing for a shredder if you ask me. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Grrrrrr ... ;-)
Anyway, speaking of "trained jazz guys", those of you who are impressed with JP's chromatic lines should listen to a guy named Jimmy Bruno. He's the first jazz guitarist I ever REALLY got into (well, Mike Stern, but he's more fusion-y), possibly because he wanks a lot. ;) But seriously, this guy's technique is unreal ... I'd recommend downloading some clips from "Like That". I hear he also has an instructional video out there somewhere.
>An example of "mistake" would >be "Carved in Stone" by Shadow Gallery, THAT was a mistake!
I respect your opinion here, but for some reason I always feel the need to put in a good word for SG. Yes, Mike Baker's vocals often make my skin crawl and even occasionally cause my stomach to do backflips, but if you pretend he isn't there, and you ignore the GODAWFUL guitar sound (too tinny and weak, even on Tyranny), the MUSIC (which I believe is usually what matters ;) is very well done. And yes, they sound VERY MUCH like DT, but in my very humble opinion, they don't do a bad job of sounding that way. If you haven't used the CD as a frisbee or beer coaster yet, I recommend giving it another shot ... just try to listen "around" the vocals, and you might find something you like.
>From: Dave M Klint <davek@mail.csh.rit.edu> >Subject: "Home" and "Forty Six and Two"
Glad to see someone else discovering Tool. As for the similarities between FSaT and Home, I wouldn't be surprised if that was done consciously by the band, and that doesn't bother me at all. Sometimes you pay tribute to your influences in very obvious ways ... listen to the last few seconds of DoE, and hear the tip-of-the-hat to Rush ("Free Will"). DT are one of those bands who have enough of an "original" sound and collective creativity that they can "borrow" things like this from other artists and use them to create something entirely different. For the first month or so after I bought SFAM, I heard the Tool influence in "Home", but since then, I haven't thought anything of it. It's actually become one of my favorite DT songs.
~Brian
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:44:28 CEST From: "Stefan Zell" <stefanzell@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Listen to new Wolverine-songs... Message-ID: <20000517064428.96549.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hello!
Stefan Zell from Wolverine here. In case anyone is interested I just wanted to let you know that we have updated our official HP with a lot of stuff. We have also put up samples of two new songs at the HP for our mailing-list. To be able to listen to them you need to be a member of the list, instructions on how to become that can be found on the NEWS-section of the HP!
Take care!
http://www.dprp.vuurwerk.nl/bands/wolverine
/Stefan
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:03:33 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?PETER_LIDSTR=D6M?= <winger@swipnet.se> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Macedonian no-talent Message-ID: <002f01bfbfd6$65c24400$3b3497d4@amd>
CyberDuke wrote:
(snip) "Our 4 lil' girls (Macedonia) song was IMHO much better that the most of the songs"
HAHAHAHAHA. Yeah, right.
(snip) " but the missies were nervous and made some mistakes during singing live."
"some mistakes" ... haha, that's too funny. No offense to the real balkan talents ... (I thought Croatia and Turkey rocked hard, (always cool guitar arrangements) not to mention our own swedish metal master Roger Pontare :))
Peter Lidstrom Official Homepage : www.geocities.com/winkken
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