YTSEJAM Digest 5458
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Naptallica/Observations... Well almost...
by "Mark Philpot" <mep10@duke.edu>
2) YTSEJAM digest 5457
by ytsejam-manager
3) Metallica Steals Too
by "Webmaster Ytsejam.com" <webmaster@ytsejam.com>
4) Trevor Hoit's Magnificent CD Collection
by "Webmaster Ytsejam.com" <webmaster@ytsejam.com>
5) Napstrouble
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
6) random, scattered thoughts
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
7) Re: Stuff and stuff....
by EvoReaper@aol.com
8) well I don't abuse Napster =^)
by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
9) Re: ordering Nightwish CD's
by "Graham B" <graham@renegade2K.com>
10) Re:Yes, Metallica
by "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com>
11) Steve Z., jOHN j., and Napster...
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5456
by IAmClay777@aol.com
13) more napster
by szebro1@gl.umbc.edu
14) Singers
by IAmClay777@aol.com
15) YES sir 'e
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
16) Mr. Kazoo
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 13:03:01 -0400
From: "Mark Philpot" <mep10@duke.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Naptallica/Observations... Well almost...
Message-ID: <000f01bfb521$7171e0e0$9bea1098@duke.edu>
Now, I'm not disagreeing with the prevalent direction of the jam, but I
do
understand the complaint about mp3s... its not quite so simple...
Greg wrote:
1)- Using Napster is no different than swapping CD's with friends to check
stuff out. If I can get sued for using Napster, then on the same token...
Well... (the same argument goes for coping tapes)... it is different... mp3
are
equivalent of your friend coping the CD before he returns it... and then
decides he won't go buy it because he already has a copy... The same goes
for tape trading... You couldn't send a tape copy electronically to your
friend
or thousands of people in seconds... The nature of tapes kept it pretty low
key
and not very prevalent in the music scene (except for bootleg trading).
It was too much of a hassle for most people, so most people didn't do it.
However,
Napster has now made it so people can do that instantly, so there less
reason
(time wise) not to...
2)- Am I going to be sued by TORO if I loan my riding mower to my next
door neighbor?
Well, if you could make a complete exact copy of the mower and gave that to
your
friend, you might...
3)-Metallica are a bunch of corporate whores.
No objection to that point
etc... etc...
I'm in complete agreement that the record industry is still the bad guy
(along
with Metallica at this point). But I also have no respect for the fan who
decides
to also rip of the artist by not buying the album after he/she got mp3
"samples."
Anyway... its a touchy issue, and suing the fans isn't the right way to
solve it.
I think that the establishment that mp3.com has established is the way to go
because it supports the unknown artist trying to start out. Personally, I'm
completely
against Napster in the first place. But I fear that if Napster goes down,
then
mp3.com goes down as well, so for this fight, thats where I'm going to
entrench.
On a lighter note...
I CAN"T WAIT FOR THE NEW SYMPHONY X ALBUM!!!!!!!
=) <<drool>>
Mark
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 21:06 +0200
From: ytsejam-manager
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Subject: YTSEJAM digest 5457
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 10:22:17 -0800 (PST)
From: "Webmaster Ytsejam.com" <webmaster@ytsejam.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Metallica Steals Too
Message-ID: <20000503172217.596AD30CC@sitemail.everyone.net>
I would just like to point the uncanny (that is to say, very much unlike a can [sorry]) resemblence that Metallica's "Unforgiven II" has to Iron Maiden's "Children of the Damned" - hell it's even got the same intro solo.
-Koggie
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 10:29:13 -0800 (PST)
From: "Webmaster Ytsejam.com" <webmaster@ytsejam.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Trevor Hoit's Magnificent CD Collection
Message-ID: <20000503172913.D2C83E0A9@sitemail.everyone.net>
on 5/3/00 Trevor Hoit Proudly Proclaimed:
>Trevor passed 300 about 1900 ago.
-I suck, I've only got 1200 [give or take] and can't find time to listen to them. :(
-Koggie
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 13:10:21 -0500
From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Napstrouble
Message-ID: <003c01bfb52a$d9d60900$f3b7fea9@madstation>
> From: Fett2002@aol.com
> Not at all. This is basically no different than copying tapes or CDs from
a
> friend. These people who are doing this generally wouldn't buy the CDs
> anyway. The last 4 Metallica CDs have all sold roughly the same amount,
adn
> the Black album is still consistently in the top 5 on the Billboard
Catalog
> Albus chart.They're not losing sales at all.
I'm sorry, but you are just not qualified to say that. And of course,
people have traded tapes, and cds, but just because they do that doesn't
make it legal. Shame on anyone who burns "in print" cds for friends. What
a slap in the face that is to the band. We can't prove that it's caused
lost sales, but it's the logical conclusion. Right now the numbers of lost
sales aren't that huge, I'd imagine. But that doesn't make the MP3 thing
any more legal, and the more it would spread, the conclusion would follow:
bands will lose a lot of sales. Can't you find anyone else to screw, rather
than musicians?
> No need for the caps here, dude. "Honest People?" Sorry, but I don't think
> there's anything immoral with downloading mp3s for your own personal use
(as
> long as you're not selling them).
If you have the album, fine. If you DL the mp3s and use them (personal
use or otherwise) then you are circumventing copyright laws and ignoring the
fact that the bands deserve to get paid for the work they've done. If you
want to ignore the moral issue there, that's your deal, but that doesn't
diminish it... you're stealing music from a band you claim to support.
Stealing is immoral, right?
> thing for years. They said it when cassettes first came out because people
> could copy them as well as record songs off the radio. The record industry
> survived. I think it will survive this too.
Dubbing cassettes takes time. Even on high speed it will take a half
hour to tape a copy of something. And then you only have one copy. Same
for cds, though it only takes 15 minutes. With MP3s it takes a few minutes,
and you have unlimitted copies to spread. Once it's out there, it is no
work at all for people to get and use, and even burn to cd. This is very
different.
> From: Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com>
> How are they gonna block a user with a dynamic IP address? Unless you're
> one of those poor bastards on a T3 university connection (oh, how my 56K
> heart bleeds for you :-) who has a static IP, all ya gotta do is reset
> your internet connection. If they block your username, then set up a new
> account.
Oh, this one is easy, and especially malicious. Ever use IRC? If a
server has a problem with a single user, and that user is on a dynamic IP,
the server will just reject the entire IP block that the ISP uses. If
that's your college, so be it. One person can fuck it up for everyone.
someone else
> anyone who's actually taken the time to become a kazoo virtuoso, but I'd
> love to see it used in a truly musical way.
www.bumblefoot.com
Album: Hands
Song: Hands
Guitar/Kazoo/Vocals = Ron Thal
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 14:07:53 -0400
From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: random, scattered thoughts
Message-ID: <20000503140753.A30630@optical.mindstorm.com>
On 2000-05-03 at 10:08 -0700, ytsejam@torchsong.com
<ytsejam@torchsong.com> truly believed:
> Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 05:18:21 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Matt Birskovich <mattb@primenet.com>
> Subject: Looking for very cheap MIDI keyboard.
>
> Greetings musicians,
> I need to find an extremely cheap MIDI keyboard. I only need it to
> input notes in a score notation program. Can some people tell me what
> type to look for? I don't want or need a full synth right now, just
> something that my comp can communicate with. Thanks for your help and
> sorry for ending all those phrases with prepositions. Be well.
Sounds like you want a bare "MIDI Controller." Guitar Center (and,
I'm sure, a million other places) carries what is, essentially, a row
of black and white keys, and a couple of MIDI ports on the back, for
about $150. As a matter of fact, I've started to see them in iMac
colors. While I dislike Guitar Center, that's the one place I saw
them, so try the store or musiciansfriend.com.
---> Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 00:19:30 -0500 (CDT) > From: jOHN jENS <jjens@webzone.net> > Subject: copyrights, liability and Napster...NEXT! on Oprah > > it's all about the proof. D-Man's band's mp3s will be copyrighted. get > going on those forms, Chris :)
Oh, crap, again? :)
> in the six plus years that i've been online (not consecutive :P) and > worked in the industry, i have yet to see a warrant from policing > officials to snoop our networks, which is what has to happen to legally > wiretap your phone or read a customer's email or snoop network packets > for music pirates.
Just because that's the law, doesn't mean it has to happen. Cops/DAs *need* a warrant for a wiretap, from a logistical point of view -- there's only one phone company (by and large). But anyone can sniff packets, and unless you have super-duper detection on your end, you'll never know. Which means that it could be happening right now.
Nah, Echelon doesn't care about the Jam. (Hey, did you hear a click?)
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> Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 02:05:22 EST > From: "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com> > Subject: compilations, Shredi, and NPing > > *D/J quietly hides his space-rock and prog compilations* > > seriously, though, the few out there are a good way to check > out a large number of bands and see if you'd like them or not > (much the same strategy behind other compilations, originally).
Progression Magazine often sends out an awesome sampler with the mag. A few issues ago, I got into Gordian Knot because of a Laser's Edge sampler. The most recent issue had a Cuneiform Records sampler, and turned me on to Boud Deun and Philharmonie.
Good thing they haven't sent out an Elektra sampler. I'd probably be in jail for having a copy of a Metallica song that I didn't pay for. :-/
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> Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 10:11:08 +0100 > From: "David Ware" <d.ware@rpc-corby.co.uk> > Subject: Yes....Trevor rules...! > > Ouch, I have to disagree, I would say that BG is one of my fave Yes albums,
What's wrong with you?!?
> NP: Whitesnake 1987
Oh.
OK, OK, just kidding. I actually brought Slip of the Tongue to work today. But only to listen to Steve Vai, I swear! :)
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> Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 09:02:02 -0400 > From: "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> > Subject: The usual... > > > Whats "NP" stand for? > > Napster Pussies. :)
Thanks, SZ. Funniest thing I read all week. :)
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> Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 10:44:10 -0400 > From: Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net> > Subject: Re: Napster & JP's height > > If needs be they can block the entire range of ip's
And Ged forbid some Metallica fan's next-door neighbor can't get her son's new band's mp3's from Napster because of that. That's one sure-fire way to paint yourself into a corner.
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> Date: 3 May 2000 15:49:12 -0000 > From: "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com> > Subject: stuff > > Yes. Bruford is an imaginative, highly creative drummer, > who's well worth listening too. Alan White is none of > those things, he's an archetypical stadium rock drummer; > hit 'em hard and no-one'll notice how boring it sounds.
You know, I really feel bad saying that about someone who's been around Yes for so long. I mean, it almost feels blasphemous.
But I was just listening to "And You And I" live from KTA2, and White makes a mess.
> >That's silly. "Close To The Edge" is the standard that > >we measure prog albums against. > > Speak for yourself!! I measure them against I&W.
You shouldn't. I&W is a great album, but (I believe it was Adam Pye who detailed all of this, maybe a year or two ago) the World of Great Prog centers around the year 1973. Close To The Edge, Lamb, Larks' Tongues In Aspic, and wasn't there something else? Anyway, these are, for many, the Gold Standard against which all other prog is measured. (Of course, many people call these 1973-enthusiasts dinosaurs, old-fashioned, and/or elitists. Then again, many of these consider RIO stuff like 5uu and Thinking Plague to be progressive music, and therefore their opinions are to be weighted accordingly.)
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> Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 12:08:20 -0400 > From: "Christopher J. Cerminara" <savaytse66@psu.edu> > Subject: Re: ordering Nightwish CD's > > Go to www.lasercd.com
Highly recommended. Ken's an upright guy, and his shipments go out immediately.
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 15:21:03 EDT From: EvoReaper@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Stuff and stuff.... Message-ID: <73.2efea36.2641d61f@aol.com>
<< This should be: why can't Layne get off the heroin! >>
I was going to say that...then I remember reading something where someone=20 confirmed that he's been clean n sober for a little while now.=20
Cheers....
<<Same with the guy from Queensreich (whos name escapes me right now, and=20 someone'll kill me 'cos I know this one...NUTS!!)>>
Geoff Tate.....now get on your knees and prepare for a lashing.... :-) (And it's Queenr=FFche)
<<Why can't Lame ('n' Stale) sing...>>
Listen back to the real early stuff, Layne's got balls man. Too much heroin=20 hurt him and made him sound week, but back in the Pre-Facelift and Facelife=20 days, he couldb belt out some great sounding stuff.=20
<<Why can't Floyd release a NEW album sometime this millennium?>>
Gilmour said it may be another 7 years til the next album, (Division Bell=20 time), which means we may be getting a new album in 2001. Too bad the band i= s=20 so tight lipped with they're process. They've DEFINETLY said that they aren'= t=20 finished though.
<<Which great album is that? Derek stated that "Tonight,we=20 will make the greatest live album in rock & roll history". They failed=20 utterly. James was far from on=20 form, JM was virtually inaudible (and when he was, his=20 tone sucked). Derek wasn't perfect, and JP's tone was=20 absolutely awful. Oh and the mixing was very patchy. MP's=20 drums were great, but not the singing. As it goes, OIaL=20 is a very poor live album, really.>>
I love Once In A Livetime. Despite the few mistakes I hear, (James is=20 probably the weakest link on the disc, but then again, if the songs were=20 carbon copies from the albums, we'd say they were playing tapes out back). I= =20 think Petrucci's tone is killer on the disc, (Not like we can say much for=20 the tone from the Music In Progress tour). I can hear Myung fine...maybe it's that sub sittin on my floor :-)
Warm Regards, Andy
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Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 12:24:53 PDT From: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: well I don't abuse Napster =^) Message-ID: <20000503192453.40526.qmail@hotmail.com>
Yup, and those people who do not abuse the service are certainly free to continue using Napster. I would be curious to find how how many people actually use Napster for anything OTHER than illegal music trading.
I use Napster mostly for finding jamband bootlegs and DT rarities. It sucks 'cause I look up "Leftover Salmon" and get 40+ results and it's all album stuff...ah well...maybe I should get a CD burner and do some REAL trading, eh Adam? nahh.....
And as far as the DT-Napster thing goes, I bet DT isn't crazy about having their songs traded around, but I doubt they would go so far as suing. They've got better things to do, unlike a certain *other* band...If I'm wrong, please speak up, Mr. Portnoy.... -Fran
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Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 05:34:25 +1000 From: "Graham B" <graham@renegade2K.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: ordering Nightwish CD's Message-ID: <200005032038.e43KcCp28818@sampa.simpleweb.com.br>
> DAMMIT i don't wanna order something from Finland. > > Anyone have any places that I can order these cd's from ? > > I'm surfing at the moment.
www.sanity.com.au
gaz
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Date: 3 May 2000 20:20:55 -0000 From: "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re:Yes, Metallica Message-ID: <20000503202055.19097.qmail@musone.chek.com>
>I challenge anyone who is ripping Metallica to fire off >an email to DT about Napster and see what the reply is, >when at least three members of DT (anyone know about >Jordan?) are anti-concert taping. Would anyone one >of you have the balls to call DT a bunch of money >whores if they were against Napster?
Seconded. Metallica have a shitload of money, enough that they never need work again. I applaud them for standing up for bands - that's bands like this bunch called DREAM THEATER who we're all supposed to LIKE and would like to see MAKE MONEY FOR WHAT THEY DO - that DON'T have the financial muscle to take on Napster. I think you lot are allowing your dislike for what Metcallica does to blind you to the real issue here. OK, so they aren't young and pissed off any more! Who cares? They'd be more of a sell- out if they were still pretending they WERE, when we all know that they aren't.
>From: "David Ware" <d.ware@rpc-corby.co.uk> >Subject: Yes....Trevor rules...! >but then this is all IMHO. Personally I prefer Trevor >to Steve, I've always loved the "pop-eee", well (over) >produced side of Yes. Listen to "Union", >the stuff with Trevor is far better than the ABWH stuff
I always figured Howe as the weak link in YES to be honest. I like what he does as a composer, but as a guitar player...People say he's sloppy, that I don't get it; but I think they're wrong. He's just not very good! Actually, the (feasable) supergroup I'd like to see is Anderson, Bruford, Page, Squire & Wakeman! After all, Squire tried it with the XYZ project, and Pagey wants a new band (we can't waste him with the fucking Black Crowes, damnit!!) so that'd be perfect.
>From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com> >Subject: More on newer Yes > >Do I recall someone saying that "The Ladder" is the >first good Yes album in a long time? What about Keys >To Ascension (1 & 2) and Open Your Eyes? There's some >strong stuff on those discs, even if OYE is a >little "happy." :)
The KTA disks were live 'uns, I don't count them; especially since the couple of new songs were pretty lame. OYE was just crap, start to finish. Excepting Man In The Moon, which was really good. But then, it sounded nothing at all like YES, because it was effectively an offcut from an aborted Squire solo album featuring Billy Sherwood.
~Simon
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 16:52:56 -0400 From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Steve Z., jOHN j., and Napster... Message-ID: <245F7E2FFC57D311A6DF0090273628B03BF64C@AMSC_NTAS>
jOHN says:
> the difference between ftp/web sites and Napster is that Napster does > not hold the data in question. only ftp/web sites that physically (if > you can call a bunch of electrons physical) contain the data are > shutdown. (ever come across a dead link on a warez site? yeesh.) the > only information Napster sees is where to get the data; they > don't store > the actual data. > > but if you shut down Napster, you would also have to shut down every > ISP, as well as every telecommunications company. there was a > recent US > Federal ruling passed this past week that does not hold ISP's > liable for > defaming email; a similar ruling was established for > telecommunications > companies, specifically telephone companies, years ago. therefore, you > can't sue Local Yokel Telecko because someone called a newspaper and > said nasty things about you. you can sue the newspaper, though. > > you shouldn't be able to sue Napster. try to sue every 3.14r8 that's > allegedly downloaded some crappy mp3 and the legal backlash of counter > suits would be amazing.
Steve says:
> > 1)- Using Napster is no different than swapping CD's with > friends to check > > stuff out. If I can get sued for using Napster, then on the > same token... > > No, it IS different. Swapping CD's w/ your friend involves 2 > people: you and your friend. Swapping CD's is certainly not > illegal. Making a copy of it is. > > Napster is an intermediary. It makes it EASIER to distribute > stolen material, because you can basically use the whole internet > as your "friends." Plus, downloading an mp3 from Napster > automatically generates a copy of the material, making it > illegal. > > Napster is much closer to money laundering (only with music > instead of money) than it is to CD swapping.
This is an intriguing and complicated question. I agree with Steve's assessment, as far as it goes. Is Napster liable? Maybe. Should they be? Probably not, but I foresee the same sort of agreement that kept the ISP's from being responsible for content, but having knowledge of who is responsible for the website that's selling black-market kidneys at low, low discount prices.
> Yup, and those people who do not abuse the service are certainly > free to continue using Napster. I would be curious to find how > how many people actually use Napster for anything OTHER than > illegal music trading.
A number I'd like to see, as well. It would be awfully hard for Joe Smith in Iowa to say that he had Britney Spears' permission to make those mp3's of the whole album available. Why, we still don't know, but...
Another point: People seem to feel that Napster and mp3 trading is no different than the radio - just promotion. Wrong again - radio stations pay royalties for the public performance of copyrighted material, the people using Napster don't.
> > > Metallica are greedy bastards and are just abusing democracy > and > > helping to clog up the courts with their frivolous lawsuit, > > No, they're not. They're doing this to enforce that fine print > on the back of every CD (Metallica or otherwise) that protects > the material contained thereupon. Everyone seems to have > forgotten about that with the rise or mp3 trading.
Agreed. The realization that the record companies make a lot more money than the artists does not suddenly give you the right to steal their property. Which is what you're doing when you make an mp3 of a CD and make it available to a million people. Now if I was to do this with my own CD, well that's a different story...
> > > Difference is that Lars is after the big money now :) Up
I'd take bets that Metallica LOSES money by the time they pay the lawyers, but succeeds in setting up the monitoring (and prevention) of their copyrighted material being distributed through Napster. Other than promotion - which they're getting by the bushel-load - that's the only goal I can see for this.
Dan said...
> I was looking for an excuse to suck.
No one ever needs an excuse to suck, it's an innate talent in humans. It takes years of training and conditioning to get over it. :)
Mike Division See us with Testament on May 6th at Jaxx
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 17:09:56 EDT From: IAmClay777@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5456 Message-ID: <e6.4e593bf.2641efa4@aol.com>
Can we not have any Layne Staley bashing? First off, he is off it, second, it was people ripping open his private life and tearing apart his personality by syaing such things that made him dislike touring... Along with the whole exhaustion thing of it. Also, if a few hundred 'fans' post your dead fiance's obituary all over the net, I think you'd get kinda pissed and reclusive. Just a thought.
In a message dated 5/3/00 12:55:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< << Man...I've downloaded 3 or 4 Metallica songs from Napster. Sometimes bands really piss me off... Why can't Layne (Staley) enjoy touring. >> This should be: why can't Layne get off the heroin! >>
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 17:13:00 -0400 (EDT) From: szebro1@gl.umbc.edu To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: more napster Message-ID: <200005032113.RAA21493946@gl.umbc.edu>
> but if you shut down Napster, you would also have to shut down every > ISP, as well as every telecommunications company. there was a recent US
Of course you wouldn't. People need their ISP's, be it for work or to talk to their loved ones who live far away, or whatever. The good (legal) outweighs the bad. Napster, on the other hand, is used primarily by kids/people who don't want to shell out any dough for their music because they're using all their money to keep their beepers activated. It's primary function is to distribute illegal copies of copyrighted material. The bad outweighs the good.
> you shouldn't be able to sue Napster.
Sure you should. They do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to enforce violations of their terms of service. Napster is automatically an accesory to an illegal act.
> <voice="rally cry"> > the music industry (note the industry part) is running scared. and they > very well may run directly over your rights. fight the power. rip the > system (nice pun). hack the planet. etc. > </voice>
What rights? Our rights to obtain goods and services illegally?
> Not at all. This is basically no different than copying tapes or CDs from a > friend.
It's VASTLY different. No one person takes EVERYONE's CDs and makes them available in cassette or CD form to EVERYONE else. If there were such a person, who could deny that he is a criminal?
> These people who are doing this generally wouldn't buy the CDs > anyway.
That's no fucking excuse. It's no less illegal.
> The last 4 Metallica CDs have all sold roughly the same amount, adn > the Black album is still consistently in the top 5 on the Billboard Catalog > Albus chart.They're not losing sales at all.
Big deal if their last 4 albums sold the same amount. mp3 trading is a lot older than Load. Why aren't the 4 most recent albums doing as well as TBA? (And don't just cop out and say, "enh, cuz those albums suck, enh" Metallica has GAINED mainstream popularity over the course of the previous 4 albums. Why would sales not increase?)
> James was far from on form,
Exactly. That's what I was saying.
> Derek wasn't perfect,
Derek kicks ass up and down and all over that bitch.
> and JP's tone was absolutely awful.
I thought his tone was great.
> Oh and the mixing was very patchy.
I agree with you there. It sounds like a monitor mix; not a live concert.
> As it goes, OIaL is a very poor live album, really.
The worst thing about it is James's singing. It had a great setlist, good performances from almost everyone, great solo spots from JP and DS. Granted, it's not "Still Life" or "Different Stages" but it's much better than "very poor."
Steve Z
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 17:27:41 EDT From: IAmClay777@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Singers Message-ID: <c4.3333440.2641f3cd@aol.com>
Now that everyone has beaten and whipped my ass for that [ignorant] comment I made regarding singers, I feel very humbled, yes. By the way, with singers I meant more like rock type singers, I should have been more specific. I most certainly respect the abilities of opera singers and [most] prog rock singers. I'm still gonna take back my comment from earlier... And about Layne Staley, he can sing. Listen to AiC's first album. His singing may not be perfect, but it's very emotive, and he's very accurate as far as tones go. AiC's one of my favorite bands, so of course I'm biased, but I don't think there's much reason to dis his skills. Especially compared with other singers from the 90s ie Kobain, Weiland, Durst, Barenaked Old Ladies guys...
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Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 17:05:20 -0500 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: YES sir 'e Message-ID: <3910A2A0.77D2B030@isd.net>
Digital Man wrote: >Do I recall someone saying that "The Ladder" is the first good Yes >album in a long time? What about Keys To Ascension (1 & 2) and Open >Your Eyes? There's some strong stuff on those discs, even if OYE is a >little "happy." :)
Close.. But no cigar. Here's what was written: "Personally, I think "The Ladder" is some of their best work in over two decades. None of their stuff was really BAD, particularly in contrast with what was being played on the radio by competing acts. I was not a huge fan of the TR years. Hell, I thought things started to decline after Relayer..."
"The Ladder" (IMHO) is the BEST in the last two decades. Someone else mentioned "Going For The One" a few jams back. I love that album. I think it's safe to say that all Yes albums are good, but few are of the same caliber as "The Ladder." I started listening to Yes back in 1972. By late 72 I owned all of their previous albums and continued buying (Almost) all Yes albums that followed. I have very little time for "Drama", "Tormato", Big Generator", and "Union." Though I do own BG and Union. They all have some good songs, but the albums were WEAK! IMHO.
NP: Shadow Gallery - "Tyranny" -- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment" --Will Rogers
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Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 17:17:51 -0500 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Mr. Kazoo Message-ID: <3910A58F.6C1D9DD5@isd.net>
Fran Brennan wrote: >As a kazooist, I take offense to this =^). If you've ever seriously tried to >coax MUSIC from a kazoo, you'll find it's pretty difficult. It's really hard >to play precisely, without slurring all the notes together. I don't know of >anyone who's actually taken the time to become a kazoo virtuoso, but I'd >love to see it used in a truly musical way.
The most musical sound I've ever heard from a kazoo was when I bored the appropriate size hole in a large potato, inserted the kazoo, and stuffed the whole works into the tail-pipe of my school bus. Jr. High was some of my more creative years. :-/
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment" --Will Rogers
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