YTSEJAM Digest 5457
Today's Topics:
1) Looking for very cheap MIDI keyboard.
by Matt Birskovich <mattb@primenet.com>
2) copyrights, liability and Napster...NEXT! on Oprah
by jOHN jENS <jjens@webzone.net>
3) Metallica and Napster
by Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu>
4) Re: Napster/mp3s
by Fett2002@aol.com
5) RE: Metallica and Napster
by "Tim Detman" <td4235@ship.edu>
6) compilations, Shredi, and NPing
by "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com>
7) Yes....Trevor rules...!
by "David Ware" <d.ware@rpc-corby.co.uk>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5456
by mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
9) The usual...
by "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
10) Napster & JP's height
by Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com>
11) There's a Hole In Your Logic... Dear Liza, Dear Liza (aka Naptall
by MacAusland.Robert@ic.gc.ca
12) cds
by "Trevor Hoit" <thoit@winstar.com>
13) Re: Napster & JP's height
by Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net>
14) Nightwish
by Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net>
15) ordering Nightwish CD's
by Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net>
16) stuff
by "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com>
17) Re: Heights
by "Marko Randjelovic" <mladimir@ptt.yu>
18) Re: ordering Nightwish CD's
by "Christopher J. Cerminara" <savaytse66@psu.edu>
19) More on newer Yes
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
20) in defense of the kazoo
by "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com>
21) sale over at Empire Entertainment
by "JM Souter" <jmsouter@hotmail.com>
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 05:18:21 +0000 (GMT)
From: Matt Birskovich <mattb@primenet.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Looking for very cheap MIDI keyboard.
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.96.1000503051623.11329A-100000@usr07.primenet.com>
Greetings musicians,
I need to find an extremely cheap MIDI keyboard. I only need it to
input notes in a score notation program. Can some people tell me what
type to look for? I don't want or need a full synth right now, just
something that my comp can communicate with. Thanks for your help and
sorry for ending all those phrases with prepositions. Be well.
Matt B
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 00:19:30 -0500 (CDT)
From: jOHN jENS <jjens@webzone.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: copyrights, liability and Napster...NEXT! on Oprah
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005022343440.12740-100000@darkhorse.webzone.net>
On 05/02/00 7:12pm, thus spake Steven Zebrowski:
| Yeah, you can ftp .mp3's from lots of places. And those sites
| should be shut down. Websites that distribute copyrighted material
| without permission are shut down all the time. Why would it be
| wrong to shut down Napster?
firstly, everything is copyrighted. this email is copyrighted. as i
compose it, it is copyrighted. just because i haven't filed it with the
Library of Congress or any other legal entity does not mean it's not
copyrighted. *proving* that i wrote this and not that the author was not
my financee who later took this email and made millions from it, would
be much harder though, since i have not filed an assload of paperwork.
it's all about the proof. D-Man's band's mp3s will be copyrighted. get
going on those forms, Chris :)
the difference between ftp/web sites and Napster is that Napster does
not hold the data in question. only ftp/web sites that physically (if
you can call a bunch of electrons physical) contain the data are
shutdown. (ever come across a dead link on a warez site? yeesh.) the
only information Napster sees is where to get the data; they don't store
the actual data.
but if you shut down Napster, you would also have to shut down every
ISP, as well as every telecommunications company. there was a recent US
Federal ruling passed this past week that does not hold ISP's liable for
defaming email; a similar ruling was established for telecommunications
companies, specifically telephone companies, years ago. therefore, you
can't sue Local Yokel Telecko because someone called a newspaper and
said nasty things about you. you can sue the newspaper, though.
you shouldn't be able to sue Napster. try to sue every 3.14r8 that's
allegedly downloaded some crappy mp3 and the legal backlash of counter
suits would be amazing.
in the six plus years that i've been online (not consecutive :P) and
worked in the industry, i have yet to see a warrant from policing
officials to snoop our networks, which is what has to happen to legally
wiretap your phone or read a customer's email or snoop network packets
for music pirates.
<voice="rally cry">
the music industry (note the industry part) is running scared. and they
very well may run directly over your rights. fight the power. rip the
system (nice pun). hack the planet. etc.
</voice>
-- jOHN jENS jJENS@wEBZONE.nET http://sHELL.wEBZONE.nET/~jjensnp: A Perfect Circle - "Sleeping Beauty" (mp3, of course :) shameless plug: http://www.popdetox.com <-- read my APC review!
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Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 02:19:37 +0000 From: Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Metallica and Napster Message-ID: <390F8CB8.672584DD@bu.edu>
The only people who should be mad at Metallica for taking on Napster are the law-breaking pirates. Metallica is pro-taping and tape trading of live shows, but it's a different story with officially released material. This policy allows bands to earn their money and hardcore fans to trade rarities. Whoever has a problem with this should go tell their boss, "I'm going to work for free this week." Then you'll see how Metallica feels. Sure the band has all the money they will ever need, but that's not the point. This lawsuit will protect many other bands, who don't have the resources to pay the lawyer fees, like DT and smaller prog bands.
You can say that people only download an MP3 or two, but go to a college campus, where ethernet connections are in just about every dorm. You'll meet quite a few people who have purchased second and third hard drives because their originals are stacked with MP3s, sometimes with complete albums. And I know many people who burn these complete albums to CD.
I challenge anyone who is ripping Metallica to fire off an email to DT about Napster and see what the reply is, when at least three members of DT (anyone know about Jordan?) are anti-concert taping. Would anyone one of you have the balls to call DT a bunch of money whores if they were against Napster?
Isaac
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 02:02:23 EDT From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Napster/mp3s Message-ID: <69.47077d2.26411aef@aol.com>
< > This whole deal suprises me (maybe I'm the only one though?). Metallica >> generally is really cool with stuff like bootlegs. In their own >> fan club >> magazine they have a section devoted to them. They allow (or at >> least used >> to) people at their shows to video their concerts. So I would >> figure that >> this shouldn't be too much different. >You would figure wrong. They're not opposed to people trading >bootlegs of them. They are opposed to people illegally obtaining >copies of their copyrighted studio material as an alternative to >buying the actual album (which IS what a lot of kids do, and it's >only going to get worse in the future). They do lose money from >it, and they stand to lose a lot more in the future if this >continues.
Not at all. This is basically no different than copying tapes or CDs from a friend. These people who are doing this generally wouldn't buy the CDs anyway. The last 4 Metallica CDs have all sold roughly the same amount, adn the Black album is still consistently in the top 5 on the Billboard Catalog Albus chart.They're not losing sales at all.
>> Yeah, it's their actual recordings but they make so much money >>anyway that it doesn't matter.
>THEY ONLY MAKE MONEY BECAUSE OF HONEST PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY >PAY >FOR THE MATERIAL!!!!!!!
No need for the caps here, dude. "Honest People?" Sorry, but I don't think there's anything immoral with downloading mp3s for your own personal use (as long as you're not selling them). This seems to be another case of confusing legality with morality. If and when it is shown that album sales are being hurt, then ya might have a point, but not before. People have said this same thing for years. They said it when cassettes first came out because people could copy them as well as record songs off the radio. The record industry survived. I think it will survive this too.
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 02:43:54 -0400 From: "Tim Detman" <td4235@ship.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Metallica and Napster Message-ID: <NDBBJOAJEBLELDIGIBGMKEELEGAA.td4235@ship.edu>
Ok, so if they are getting ripped off because of Napster's software... How can they prove that people have Metallica songs on their hard drives? I could rename an mp3 file name to say "mary had a little lamb.mp3" and it could really be "One" by Metallica and visa versa, I could name my mp3 of mary had a little lamb to a title of a metallica song. I guess they only way they can tell is if you download the songs and listen to them. Metallica seems to do something to piss me off pretty regularly now. I was just starting to give them another chance and then they piss me off again. -Tim
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Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 02:05:22 EST From: "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: compilations, Shredi, and NPing Message-ID: <20000503070523.88095.qmail@hotmail.com>
>From: Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror <TheMirror@dtifc.com> >Subject: music pirates...
>No prog fan would go and buy a "Top 20 prog hits" compilation, they >still care for *albums*.
*D/J quietly hides his space-rock and prog compilations*
seriously, though, the few out there are a good way to check out a large number of bands and see if you'd like them or not (much the same strategy behind other compilations, originally). But I see your point.
>it has been made more poular through the blockbuster George Lucas movie, >Return of the Shredi.
Something to wax nostalgic about...
DV : "Impressive! Giobi-wan has taught you well!" brandishes glaring- red lightharp (a really cool instrument from back in the late 80's) "Now let me see you do a Bartok jazz-swing jam in 23/16!"
--
L : "No! I'll never turn to the dark side! I am a Shredi, and a Bluesman, like my father before me."
Emp : "Very well, *SHREDI* If you will not turn to the dark side, then you will DIE!!!" Emp fires up his light-harp and waves out chord after chord of Stravinskian madness.
L : "AAAAAAGGH!!! Father, please!"
Emp : "Say, it Shredi! 'I'm your bitch!!!' *mangled Fdim5b9* SAY IT!"
>From: "Philip J. Kaplan" <pk@pkinteractive.com> >Subject: NP >Whats "NP" stand for?
Now Playing, as in what the poster is listening to at the time he emails the 'jam. Not always a cd.
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 10:11:08 +0100 From: "David Ware" <d.ware@rpc-corby.co.uk> To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Yes....Trevor rules...! Message-ID: <000f01bfb4df$84d7b8e0$1f010032@corbyedp4>
]From Rob: >Now, "Big Genarator" was weak! :)
Ouch, I have to disagree, I would say that BG is one of my fave Yes albums, but then this is all IMHO. Personally I prefer Trevor to Steve, I've always loved the "pop-eee", well (over) produced side of Yes. Listen to "Union", the stuff with Trevor is far better than the ABWH stuff (again IMHO). Having said all that I have to agree that "The Ladder" is a great, great album, and when I saw them on the Ladder Tour they blew my head off completely.
Dave (a UK jammer).
NP: Whitesnake 1987 - I'm 17 all over again....!
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Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 20:28:11 +1000 From: mikel <mikel@alphalink.com.au> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5456 Message-ID: <390FFF3B.CC250DA1@alphalink.com.au>
> Or you get stunted adolescents who fancy themselves poets who > just like to hear the sound of their own voice (Zack DeLaRocha, > Fred Durst, Eddie Vedder, who all suck).
I was going to use Eddie Vedder as an example of someone who can't sing but who should (along with others like Hendrix, Thome York, Dylan, Zappa), as opposed to people who can sing but shouldn't (think of most hair bands, many prog bands etc).
> Haven't we? What about the people who dismiss the prog singer > because "he just sounds like he's singing opera."? Or "That > singer sounds so 80's."? THOSE are the categories that people > use to describe vocal wankery.
I thought the more common criticism was "They sound like a girl"
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 09:02:02 -0400 From: "Steven Zebrowski" <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: The usual... Message-ID: <001f01bfb4ff$c77d48c0$0200010a@steve>
> 1)- Using Napster is no different than swapping CD's with friends to check > stuff out. If I can get sued for using Napster, then on the same token...
No, it IS different. Swapping CD's w/ your friend involves 2 people: you and your friend. Swapping CD's is certainly not illegal. Making a copy of it is.
Napster is an intermediary. It makes it EASIER to distribute stolen material, because you can basically use the whole internet as your "friends." Plus, downloading an mp3 from Napster automatically generates a copy of the material, making it illegal.
Napster is much closer to money laundering (only with music instead of money) than it is to CD swapping.
> 2)- Am I going to be sued by TORO if I loan my riding mower to my next > door neighbor?
No, not unless mowing your lawn is illegal.
> Back when I first started getting the jam (last summer) I had written > something along the lines that it didn't take a lot to sing. Well, for anyone > who may actually remember this, I apologize for that statement. After reading > the thread a little while ago on singing (very good thread btw) I have > learned a whole new respect for vocalists. Now, this doesn't mean that I > won't listen to any bands with vocalists that aren't great, but I've learned > to appreciate guys like JL and Geoff Tate so much more now. The type of range > these guys have and the amount of effort they must have put in to get their > vocals to be that good is incredible. It defitnitely adds another aspect (a > rather important one) to the music. > -MIke C.
Wow. Thanks, man. Seriously, that makes this WHOLE thing worthwhile.
> lawsuit, but I think that monitering napster and asking them to > ban the people who downloaded their tunes is a good idea. > Those people abused the service, broke the law, and deserve > to be banned...The theives lose. The good guys win. I agree that
Yup, and those people who do not abuse the service are certainly free to continue using Napster. I would be curious to find how how many people actually use Napster for anything OTHER than illegal music trading.
> Metallica are greedy bastards and are just abusing democracy and > helping to clog up the courts with their frivolous lawsuit,
No, they're not. They're doing this to enforce that fine print on the back of every CD (Metallica or otherwise) that protects the material contained thereupon. Everyone seems to have forgotten about that with the rise or mp3 trading.
(Sure, this has been going on as long as there have been blank tapes and cassette recorders, but everyone knows that a cassette copy of a CD sounds like shit - even worse than an mp3 - and even then everyone KNEW that it was illegal. Now something has come along that the artists can get their hands on, namely Napster.)
> > Difference is that Lars is after the big money now :) Up until > > a few weeks ago I was a huge fan of the band and especially > > their older music, but now that they've publicly turned their backs > > to everything they ever stood for, I feel somehow betrayed...
Then that's your problem. "Everything they ever stood for" doesn't mean anything because it was OVER 10 YEARS AGO. I'm 26. When I think about some of the things I thought when I was 16, some of it makes me laugh and some of it makes me want to vomit. People can change a lot in 10 years.
So everyone's adolescent fantasies are shattered. So what! God forbid Metallica grow up.
> Whats "NP" stand for?
Napster Pussies. :)
j/k It stands for "Now Playing"
Steve Z
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 09:56:58 -0400 From: Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Napster & JP's height Message-ID: <20000503.095830.-1008105.0.Axeman_dannl@juno.com>
I've got a question about all this Napster business.
How are they gonna block a user with a dynamic IP address? Unless you're one of those poor bastards on a T3 university connection (oh, how my 56K heart bleeds for you :-) who has a static IP, all ya gotta do is reset your internet connection. If they block your username, then set up a new account.
> Someone mentioned that Petrucci was about 5'11''. i have to disagree with. > I am only 5'9'', and I met him 3 times, and he is a little shorter than me. > KJLB is also not as tall as advertised. He's about 5'8''. Who really gives > a fuck?
I was looking for an excuse to suck. I'm really tall and it seems that alot of very skilled musicians are in the below-avg to avg. height range, so I made up some bullshit theory about how I am musically handicapped because of my height. It was supposed to be funny, but I was tired and it came out stupid. 8-}b
-Dan. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 10:14:11 -0400 From: MacAusland.Robert@ic.gc.ca To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: There's a Hole In Your Logic... Dear Liza, Dear Liza (aka Naptall Message-ID: <D72BBDC2C41BD311A26406000000000002769EA0@mb-bp-01>
On Tue, 2 May 2000 15:23:31 -0600 (MDT), Greg Kristianson <gkristia@ucalgary.ca> spaketh:
- Regarding the Metallica/Napster debacle, I have made the following -observations, many I'm sure you've all made yourselves... - -1)- Using Napster is no different than swapping CD's with friends to check -stuff out. If I can get sued for using Napster, then on the same token...
I appreciate your point, but your logic has a small hole... if say you're lending your best bud Nana Mouskori's Greatest hits, no new copies of the CD are being made (unless your friend *really* digs Nana - in which case he should be committed :-). Your copy goes to your friend. He listens to it. Vomits. Returns said CD. End result, you still have one copy of the CD. Whereas with Napster you're making *copies* of *copies*; the original becomes many copies.
-2)- Am I going to be sued by TORO if I loan my riding mower to my next -door neighbor?
No. But if you have a matter duplicator (doesn't everyone these days? :-), and copy said tractor whilst on loan, then TORO would I think take issue with what you've done.
-3)-Metallica are a bunch of corporate whores.
They definitely want to have their cake and eat it too. If they do not condone taping of their live shows, then I see no reason why they should have a problem with people exchanging MP3's of their music. And what for that matter of MP3's of boots exchanged through Napster??
Pure unadulterated foolishness I say.
Blah.
R.
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 07:39:12 -0700 From: "Trevor Hoit" <thoit@winstar.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: cds Message-ID: <000101bfb50d$59d53310$574b010a@wa2wsl115.winstar.com>
]From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com> Combined with bootlegs, I got my 300th cd today. I am happy of this monumentous achievement. You guys can now make fun of me like you always do.
Congrats, Kurt! Nice little collection you got there. :)
Trevor passed 300 about 1900 ago. NP:Quiet Room-Reconceive (good disc!)
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Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 10:44:10 -0400 From: Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Napster & JP's height Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000503104250.00ade650@pop.ecosoft.com>
If needs be they can block the entire range of ip's
Say your a 56k dialup user who dials in on the 123.123.45.1-256 range
Each time you connect you get an ip from that pool..
They can easily block out 123.123.45.*
therefore your not able to connect. Dynamic does not mean unlimited IP's
At 07:06 AM 5/3/00 -0700, you wrote:
>I've got a question about all this Napster business. > >How are they gonna block a user with a dynamic IP address? Unless you're >one of those poor bastards on a T3 university connection (oh, how my 56K >heart bleeds for you :-) who has a static IP, all ya gotta do is reset >your internet connection. If they block your username, then set up a new >account. > > > Someone mentioned that Petrucci was about 5'11''. i have to disagree >with. > > I am only 5'9'', and I met him 3 times, and he is a little shorter than >me. > > KJLB is also not as tall as advertised. He's about 5'8''. Who really >gives > > a fuck? > >I was looking for an excuse to suck. I'm really tall and it seems that >alot of very skilled musicians are in the below-avg to avg. height range, >so I made up some bullshit theory about how I am musically handicapped >because of my height. It was supposed to be funny, but I was tired and it >came out stupid. 8-}b > >-Dan. >________________________________________________________________ >YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
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Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 11:39:41 -0400 From: Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com, Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Nightwish Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000503113832.00aae2b0@pop.ecosoft.com>
Ok on a whim i downloaded some mp3's of them...
Not that bad at all, i'm kinda diggin them more and more. I'm trying to get some cd's right now.
Anyone have any other artist reccomendations?
Figured we could get the topic off of Metallicker and napster
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Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 11:45:19 -0400 From: Robb Muise <robbm@shore.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: ordering Nightwish CD's Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000503114437.00ae3750@pop.ecosoft.com>
DAMMIT i don't wanna order something from Finland.
Anyone have any places that I can order these cd's from ?
I'm surfing at the moment. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------- Robb Muise "An it harm none, do as ye will" Shore.net Network Operations Center Email:robbm@shore.net Phone:781-593-3110 ext181 Cell Phone: 978-884-6423
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Date: 3 May 2000 15:49:12 -0000 From: "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: stuff Message-ID: <20000503154912.10150.qmail@whitfield.chek.com>
>This just in - while the jury is out on height and >musicianship, apparently tall high school bass players >don't make good politicians!
Damn, I was really hoping for Chris Squire as my new MP!!
>> Plus , some people cant sing for shit, even with tons >>of lessons, because some of us arent meant to sing. > >That's a line of bullshit that's probably been fed to >you either by people who haven't practiced enough, or >people with egos big enough to give them mad dope skills >on the guitar. The only people who are meant not to >sing, are those who are born without vocal cords.
Ah, I dunno about that. I've had quite a few lessons, and I do put in serious practise, and I still sound not very good. It has nothing to do with technique or anything like that, it's just that - and this is the point I think the original poster was making - some people have horrible voices. My voice is pretty high, and it's got a very sarcastic twinge, so it doesn't translate to singing very well. Same with Page. Same with MP. Same with the guy from Queensreich (whos name escapes me right now, and someone'll kill me 'cos I know this one...NUTS!!)
>> 90125 was a pretty good album...It just wasn't really >>a YES album! > >"Ladies and Gentlemen, please welcome Trevor Rabin and >Four Other Guys!"
lol. Exactly!
>Sometimes bands really piss me off... > >Why can't Layne (Staley) enjoy touring..
Why can't Lame ('n' Stale) sing...
>Why can't Metallica kick more ass and losen up..
'Cos kicking ass might cause them to lose hold of their zimmer frames (j/k!!)
>Why can't Pink Floyd release an album before I graduate >high school....
Why can't Floyd release a NEW album sometime this millennium?
>>Alan White has never been particularly interesting - >>certainly no-where near as interesting as Bruford - but >>he seems to have sunk to Lars Ulrich levels recently) > >Alan White is a different kind of drummer than Bill >Bruford. Apples and oranges.
Yes. Bruford is an imaginative, highly creative drummer, who's well worth listening too. Alan White is none of those things, he's an archetypical stadium rock drummer; hit 'em hard and no-one'll notice how boring it sounds. One more rung down and one finds Caroline Corr. Apples and oranges.
>>after Fragile. Close To The Edge was pretty >>good, Topographic Oceans was absolute dross, > >That's silly. "Close To The Edge" is the standard that >we measure prog albums against.
Speak for yourself!! I measure them against I&W.
>ability than James, is never 100% in live shows. Of >course, his vocal parts are obviously more challenging, >too - but DT had a chance to edit his voice on "Once in >a Livetime" and obviously didn't. I kinda wish they had
Yes, but if they did that, it'd be called "Once in a LIVEtime, oh and some other times in Bear Tracks studios as well"
>You and me both. James's performance marr an >otherwise great live album.
Which great album is that? Derek stated that "Tonight,we will make the greatest live album in rock & roll history". They failed utterly. James was far from on form, JM was virtually inaudible (and when he was, his tone sucked). Derek wasn't perfect, and JP's tone was absolutely awful. Oh and the mixing was very patchy. MP's drums were great, but not the singing. As it goes, OIaL is a very poor live album, really.
~Simon Who still likes Metallica, so ya boo sucks
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 14:51:27 +0200 From: "Marko Randjelovic" <mladimir@ptt.yu> To: "Jammers of the list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Heights Message-ID: <01bfb4fe$4cad9380$LocalHost@king>
You should check the biographies on the Off. Website, it's all there, Petrucci's the tallest in the band, LaBrie seems tall because of his grand appearance. I think that Mike is the shortest, if I remember well.
Marko Randjelovic Yugoslavia (KG)
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Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 12:08:20 -0400 From: "Christopher J. Cerminara" <savaytse66@psu.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: ordering Nightwish CD's Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20000503120436.02a3e980@email.psu.edu>
Go to www.lasercd.com Just give them a call and tell them what you want. They have their catalogue on-line. I've ordered from them a few times and received everything very promptly. They're prices are the best I've seen on prog-rock albums. Their CDs typically range from $11-$18, and that includes imports. If you're gong to buy some Nightwish, I strongly recommend Oceanborn. Angels Fall First is excellent as well, but Oceanborn is much better, IMO
At 09:00 AM 5/3/00, you wrote:
>DAMMIT i don't wanna order something from Finland. > >Anyone have any places that I can order these cd's from ? > >I'm surfing at the moment. >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >------------------------------- >Robb Muise "An it harm none, do >as ye will" >Shore.net Network Operations Center >Email:robbm@shore.net >Phone:781-593-3110 ext181 >Cell Phone: 978-884-6423
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 12:13:28 -0400 From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: More on newer Yes Message-ID: <20000503121328.A27386@optical.mindstorm.com>
Do I recall someone saying that "The Ladder" is the first good Yes album in a long time? What about Keys To Ascension (1 & 2) and Open Your Eyes? There's some strong stuff on those discs, even if OYE is a little "happy." :)
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Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 09:38:10 PDT From: "Fran Brennan" <okelnard@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: in defense of the kazoo Message-ID: <20000503163810.49500.qmail@hotmail.com>
Oh, I'd say that the kazoo isn't quite as hard as the harmonica.
As a kazooist, I take offense to this =^). If you've ever seriously tried to coax MUSIC from a kazoo, you'll find it's pretty difficult. It's really hard to play precisely, without slurring all the notes together. I don't know of anyone who's actually taken the time to become a kazoo virtuoso, but I'd love to see it used in a truly musical way.
-Fran once tried to get a jazz band to let him sit in on kazoo....
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Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 11:52:52 CDT From: "JM Souter" <jmsouter@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: sale over at Empire Entertainment Message-ID: <20000503165252.24186.qmail@hotmail.com>
[ Sorry if this has already been posted here. It comes from another list and just wanted to share with you other Progressive Metal freaks ]
]From: John Hough [SMTP:jhough_99@yahoo.com] Subject: sale over at Empire Entertainment
thought you all might be interested in some of these. some good prices here.
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Regular shipping rates apply.
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