YTSEJAM Digest 5603
Today's Topics:
1) Re: It's the same set
by "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
2) jordan's setlist
by Joshua Rasiel <Josh@On-LineDesign.Com>
3) Re: They play the same set over again???
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
4) RE: Jordan "limiting"
by "Sullivan, Patrick" <patrick.sullivan@storageapps.com>
5) Re: jordan's setlist
by "Timo Virkkala" <wt@nic.fi>
6) Re: jordan's setlist
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
7) Chroma Key's "DAFR" on MP3.com
by "Mark Bredius" <bredius@quicknet.nl>
8) Re: jordan's setlist
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
9) RE: jordan's setlist
by David Dixon <dixon@iisweb.com>
10) DT font
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
11) setlist
by rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com>
12) RE: Jordan "limiting"
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
13) Re: Jordan "limiting"
by Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
14) Re: Jordan "limiting"
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
15) DT font
by "Larry Odneal" <ldo7@home.com>
16) Sheep Shagging!!
by "Paul Tadday" <PaulTad@bigpond.com>
17) Re:cinci boot sign up
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
18) Re: Jordan "limiting"
by "Timo Virkkala" <wt@nic.fi>
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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:47:13 -0400
From: "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: It's the same set
Message-ID: <35A7D40B978CD311AF05002048404D34024B1E45@wm2.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
> Yes, they play the same set over and over again during any
> given leg of a tour. There are occasional changes, but they're
> usually limited to a song or two. This, as longtime 'Jammers
> know, is my biggest problem with DT.
Hear ye Brother Adam. There is nothing that kills the fun of a show like
lack of spontaneity. Or agonizing through the tradeoff of risking to lose
your spot on the floor to get another beer. At a minimum, they should
change the ordering of the same songs.
The thing is that DT should be crazy because THEY CAN BE !! Their shows are
not tied down by the choreography of dancing bears or a light show that is
more interesting than their music. Go nuts. Do Nightmare Cinema. Throw in
the odd cover. I have always thought that it would have to be more fun for
the band to be crazy. (Gimme Shelter was sounding really good, btw ....).
Maybe it's because James is Canadian and they dont want to confuse him.
> A band tours from city to city. They have to assume that the
> majority of the crowd has not seen them or does not sadistically
> follow them around like Greatful Dead fans.
Wrong, and they should know this, especially on the east coast where
consecutive gigs aren't always 700 miles apart. And because us east coast
fans are far better than you left-coasters. They are not the typical band
and indeed they do have a bunch of people who follow them all around like
mad. Or, used to. I've been there and met them on all seven continents
(that show in Vostok Antarctica was chilling....).
Speaking of left-coasters, howdy there Warren !! Is it raining again today
in Oregon ?? I bet it is !! Bummer, eh ?? Dont forget your umbrella !!
> If they changed the set every night, you all would complain that
> "Oh, they played Take the Time at your show, but not at mine.'
I dont think so. If they dont play TtT, they are playing Scarred. Tough to
gripe there. In general, I love most of their material as do most of their
fans. Especially the rabid sadistic ones who stalk them on all seven
continents. And, MP actually tracks which songs have been played in which
locations to try and minimize duplication, especially of the more esoteric
song selections.
Cheerio,
Mark Metzger
mmetzger@comversens.com
PS - Still in amazement that you can get a whopping 6 foot by 10 foot room,
complete with fresh dirt and grime, conveniently located right next to a
sex-toy shop in NYC for only $120 per night. And, it must be a safe place
because the cops are always there !! I love New York .... NOT !!
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Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 10:01:49 -0400
From: Joshua Rasiel <Josh@On-LineDesign.Com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: jordan's setlist
Message-ID: <39B8F14B.7FE26FD5@On-LineDesign.Com>
This is because,
>since Jordan refuses to use more than one 'board, he has
>to program the entire setlist into his Kurzy, and then
>incremements (that is SO not the word I'm looking for...)
>through them during the show.
he advances through them?
that doesn't sound likely - i'll bet dollars to donuts he can call up
any song at any time - i'm sure if there's a "forward in song list"
there's a "backwards" as well. And just as likely, he can punch it in by
number.
Of course, i'm talking out my ass, but it seems logical. You do bring
up something i never considered before, though. it never occured to me
to program a keyboard by song - that would be most practical, wouldn't
it? I couldn't find middle C if you held a jackhammer to my head, but i
DO have lots of experience lighting plays, and the boards i've used are
set up in just that way - you program all the effects you want in a
given scene, and save in incrementals. later you just punch in "scene 4"
and hit enter, and you're done. you can also just hit "next" or "back",
to advance or retreat through the scenes. that's what i'm thinking the
kurz ought to do.
josh
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Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 15:07:44 +0100
From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: They play the same set over again???
Message-ID: <39B8F2B0.54C05ACB@picsel.com>
"Pye, Adam" wrote:
> Yes, they play the same set over and over again during any given leg
> of a tour.
If would've been neat if they'd written and recorded two different endings
to SFAM, and mixed the two at random in the CD distribution. So, when you
pick up the CD in the shop you don't know which ending you're going to
get. And when they play it live, they can still play the whole album
without you knowing in advance which version of the album it will be.
Can somebody please send me that Rectum video they showed at Roseland?
-- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland------------------------------
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 08:39:59 -0400 From: "Sullivan, Patrick" <patrick.sullivan@storageapps.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Jordan "limiting" Message-ID: <6FC8F601FBDED111A1A800A0C92D895C01AECCB0@RAIDNET>
>>>>>> They've been doing pretty much that on THIS tour, even though I don't think they have before. This is because, since Jordan refuses to use more than one 'board, he has to program the entire setlist into his Kurzy, and then incremements (that is SO not the word I'm looking for...) through them during the show.
But remember, this IN NO WAY means that DT is being limited by Jordan's technical choices. Oh no. Not at all. ;)
>>>>>>
I think part of the reason that "incremements" is not the word you are looking for is probably because it isn't even a word... ;-)
I don't know where you get your information from, but I've seen several interviews with Jordan (and have a friend who asked him about this), and he has always said that that programmed sequence is for convenience - he can "step out" of it at any time by selecting another sound, and then "step back in" when he's ready to.
Now, the fact that he *doesn't* step out of the sequence more often is another issue entirely, but it certainly isn't because he *can't*. I find it extremely odd that people will so readily believe that a musician that talented would deliberately limit himself that way.
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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:32:11 +0300 From: "Timo Virkkala" <wt@nic.fi> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: jordan's setlist Message-ID: <000c01c019a9$f807c4c0$6be226d4@pentium>
-----Original Message----- ]From: Joshua Rasiel <Josh@On-LineDesign.Com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Date: 8. syyskuuta 2000 17:15 Subject: jordan's setlist
>>since Jordan refuses to use more than one 'board, he has >>to program the entire setlist into his Kurzy, and then >>incremements (that is SO not the word I'm looking for...) >>through them during the show. > >he advances through them? >that doesn't sound likely - i'll bet dollars to donuts he can call up >any song at any time - i'm sure if there's a "forward in song list" >there's a "backwards" as well. And just as likely, he can punch it in by >number.
Here's a clip for you from jordanrudess.com
--8<--
The way I change sounds is with a single pedal. In Dream Theater I use one 2500 Kurzweil keyboard and a 2500 rack unit as well. Every time I step on my pedal (which is assigned to data increment) with my left foot, it changes the keyboard layout and sounds completely. I use the "SETUP" mode of the Kurzweil. One second I might have strings in the R.H. trombones mixed with timpani in the L.H. and when I hit the pedal I've got Voices, Piano and Chimes in the RH and a huge sound effect in the LH. Also each pedal step brings me sequentially through our performance.
So I begin with sound 200 and end up the night at 500. Busy left foot!! In addition to all that, one of the zones in this SETUP is usually assigned to control the images on our large screens. These images are generated from a MAC program called Videodelic which responds to midi controllers. Both my instruments are maxed out Kurzweils having 128 meg of ram in each.
-->8--
Questions, anyone? No? OK, class dismissed. See you tomorrow.
-WT- NP: Yes - Fragile
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Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 14:50:51 -0400 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: jordan's setlist Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000908145013.00ad1e20@netmail.home.com>
I actually thought he would've stepped up to the K2600 by now. And I thought I also read the he would keep one of his modules in the KB3 mode. At 11:39 AM 9/8/00, you wrote:
>-----Original Message----- >]From: Joshua Rasiel <Josh@On-LineDesign.Com> >To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> >Date: 8. syyskuuta 2000 17:15 >Subject: jordan's setlist > > > >>since Jordan refuses to use more than one 'board, he has > >>to program the entire setlist into his Kurzy, and then > >>incremements (that is SO not the word I'm looking for...) > >>through them during the show. > > > >he advances through them? > >that doesn't sound likely - i'll bet dollars to donuts he can call up > >any song at any time - i'm sure if there's a "forward in song list" > >there's a "backwards" as well. And just as likely, he can punch it in by > >number. > > >Here's a clip for you from jordanrudess.com > >--8<-- > >The way I change sounds is with a single pedal. In Dream Theater I use one >2500 Kurzweil keyboard and a 2500 rack unit as well. Every time I step on my >pedal (which is assigned to data increment) with my left foot, it changes >the keyboard layout and sounds completely. I use the "SETUP" mode of the >Kurzweil. One second I might have strings in the R.H. trombones mixed with >timpani in the L.H. and when I hit the pedal I've got Voices, Piano and >Chimes in the RH and a huge sound effect in the LH. Also each pedal step >brings me sequentially through our performance. > >So I begin with sound 200 and end up the night at 500. Busy left foot!! In >addition to all that, one of the zones in this SETUP is usually assigned to >control the images on our large screens. These images are generated from a >MAC program called Videodelic which responds to midi controllers. Both my >instruments are maxed out Kurzweils having 128 meg of ram in each. > >-->8-- > >Questions, anyone? No? OK, class dismissed. See you tomorrow. > >-WT- >NP: Yes - Fragile
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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 21:50:51 +0200 From: "Mark Bredius" <bredius@quicknet.nl> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>, "The Mirror" <themirror@egroups.com> Subject: Chroma Key's "DAFR" on MP3.com Message-ID: <002301c019ce$179d0e20$0100007f@localhost>
Hey all,
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Mark Bredius ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.spocksbeard.org/ : Spock's Beard - Strange World Send email to sbnews-subscribe@egroups.com to receive the latest Spock's Beard news, tour dates and information. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.digitalrodent.com/itchy/ - Visit Planet Itchy!
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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:55:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: jordan's setlist Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0009081550360.58521-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Timo Virkkala wrote:
> >that doesn't sound likely - i'll bet dollars to donuts he can call up > >any song at any time - i'm sure if there's a "forward in song list" > >there's a "backwards" as well. And just as likely, he can punch it in by > >number. > > The way I change sounds is with a single pedal. In Dream Theater I use one > 2500 Kurzweil keyboard and a 2500 rack unit as well. Every time I step on my > pedal (which is assigned to data increment) with my left foot, it changes > the keyboard layout and sounds completely. I use the "SETUP" mode of the > Kurzweil. One second I might have strings in the R.H. trombones mixed with > timpani in the L.H. and when I hit the pedal I've got Voices, Piano and > Chimes in the RH and a huge sound effect in the LH. Also each pedal step > brings me sequentially through our performance.
Since it uses the "SETUP" mode of the Kurz, it is entirely possible that Jordan could enter a program number in with the keypad, since it's also synced up with the rack unit; all it would take is a maximum of about 5 or 6 keystrokes on the keyboard.
He could have a setup for every song in DT's catalog - I'm sure that the Kurz can support holding that many entries in it. I think that now that they've started doing more songs, Jordan will probably keep them stored and would switch them back and forth (all it would take to do a separate show is another floppy disk to put into the unit and load up for the current show, and then he could increment the pedal for that show easily).
I seriously think that it's entirely possible to do separate shows on the tour. However, they'd have to have a STRONG number of each song for the tour, since I remember people at John P's and Mike's clinic asking if he could explain a certain riff, and got a response of something like "I don't remember how to play that song right now..." I think that they have to re-learn each of the songs (because they're so complex) each time they tour.
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- "I'm not a vegetarian because I like animals. I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants." -- A. Whitney Brown -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:34:15 -0700 From: David Dixon <dixon@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: jordan's setlist Message-ID: <A65ADB6BE999D3118F650008C7E6175202A18578@MESSAGING>
> I actually thought he would've stepped up to the K2600 by now. And I > thought I also read the he would keep one of his modules in the KB3 mode. > At 11:39 AM 9/8/00, you wrote:
Out of lurk mode...
FYI: Jordan WAS using the K2600 at the Phoenix show (8/19/2000). I specifically looked, and I'm 100% sure that is what he was using.
David Dixon MCSD, MCDBA, MCSE Integrated Information Systems, Inc. dixon@iisweb.com
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Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 00:54:43 +0200 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: DT font Message-ID: <39B96E33.5A5E551B@mol.com.mk>
> From: "Samah" <woolcock@camtech.net.au> > Subject: DT Font > > Actually, I started making a font to simulate the DT text, using > Macromedia Fontographer, but I got as far as the first R and got > bored. If you're interested, I could finish it off..
Yes we would like you to keep doing it, thank you! :) As you said it, your feelings are not important, if WE want it, do it! woohoo, cool
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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 16:33:35 -0700 (PDT) From: rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: setlist Message-ID: <20000908233335.13901.qmail@web125.yahoomail.com>
It must be nice to be able to go to more than one DT show a tour and bitch about the same setlist. I've been listening to DT for a little over 2 years now, and I've only been able to go to one show. They aren't even coming close this leg of the tour. If you know they aren't gonna change their setlist on a tour, and your upset about that, then just go to one show and save some money and the rest of us from your anger.
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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:35:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Jordan "limiting" Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0009081935100.79720-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Sullivan, Patrick wrote:
> I think part of the reason that "incremements" is not the word you are > looking for is probably because it isn't even a word... ;-)
"Increments" is most certainly a word. :) To incrememt something means to add one to it. :D
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- "No one wants to fuck with a crazy person. If someone tries to mug you, The best thing you can do is take out your money, and piss on it while mumbling and ranting. Chances are, they'll get scared and leave you alone. Of course, you'll have to wash your money." - Norman Calkin, on urban survival -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:58:13 -0500 From: Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Jordan "limiting" Message-ID: <B5DEE745.7310%hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
Did you miss the joke, or just being deliberately annoying? "incremements" and "increments" are two different things, buddy. ;P
-Brian
> > On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Sullivan, Patrick wrote: > >> I think part of the reason that "incremements" is not the word you are >> looking for is probably because it isn't even a word... ;-) > > "Increments" is most certainly a word. :) To incrememt something means to > add one to it. :D
--
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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 20:10:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Jordan "limiting" Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0009082010001.82146-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Brian Hayden wrote:
> Did you miss the joke, or just being deliberately annoying? "incremements" > and "increments" are two different things, buddy. ;P > > >> I think part of the reason that "incremements" is not the word you are > >> looking for is probably because it isn't even a word... ;-) > > > > "Increments" is most certainly a word. :) To incrememt something means to > > add one to it. :D
Oh, Jesus. I hate it when I miss something like that! :)
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- If it's raining, a cute thing to tell a child is "God is crying." If they ask why, another cute thing to say is, "Probably something you did." -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 23:25:07 -0600 From: "Larry Odneal" <ldo7@home.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: DT font Message-ID: <004901c01a1e$51421440$8367b218@aurora1.co.home.com>
"Samah" <woolcock@camtech.net.au> wrote:
> Actually, I started making a font to simulate the DT text, using Macromedia > Fontographer, but I got as far as the first R and got bored.
Wow, d00d, that means you got the "D" done!?!?!
I can see why you got bored - that's one whole letter!
By the way, sorry to hear about your cock. Woolcock - hmmm, did you get that from fucking sheep?
Man, they grow 'em strange down there in Au.
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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 16:51:24 +1000 From: "Paul Tadday" <PaulTad@bigpond.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Sheep Shagging!! Message-ID: <001701c01a2a$5fdde4a0$fc3736cb@user>
Larry Odneal <ldo7@home.com> sputtered forth...
> By the way, sorry to hear about your cock. Woolcock - hmmm, did you get > that from fucking sheep? > > Man, they grow 'em strange down there in Au.
Hey Bud... This is Australia... not New Zealand!!!!!!! =D
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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 01:46:24 -0500 From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re:cinci boot sign up Message-ID: <20000909.014754.-20257.1.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
<Considering that the 'jam has been clogged this past week, this isn't really all that fair for those who didn't get any digests until 9/7...>
Considering this has been all over the mp.com forum for like 3 weeks now, oh well. I will trade with some of you after a while, I have the tree (Im a branch) and have like 5 other trades right now too :)
Kurt
"Shut the f*ck up. Don't make me come down there and kick your f*cking ass" -James Labrie 4/16/97
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Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 10:07:27 +0300 From: "Timo Virkkala" <wt@nic.fi> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Jordan "limiting" Message-ID: <005401c01a2c$9f8bdb00$5de126d4@pentium>
Back when the tour first started, about a year ago, we had this same thread. It was then established that:
1. Jordan, while playing live, changes sounds with his pedal, controlling all his gear at the same time. He uses pre-programmed setlists and just advances though them.
2. If needed, he can also "move out" of the pre-programmed list and select any sound he wants to. After the jam, or whatever the reason was, he can return to where he was going.
3. This arrangement in no way limits Jordan. The pedal is just for his convenience but he can select sounds manually too.
So, If anyone needs any further info on the subject, check out http://www.jordanrudess.com or dig out old Ytsejams, it's all there.
-WT- NP: Straylight (my own progmetal band)
PS. Damn, seems like I'm turning into Skadz now.. No offense, Skadzie =)
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