YTSEJAM Digest 5605
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Crack the Sky
by schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
2) Boy Bands/Lip Syncing
by "John DiBella" <dibelj@optonline.net>
3)
by ukmnb123@yahoo.com
4) Re: Crack The Sky?
by Brooks Edman <bedman@lvc.edu>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5604
by Brooks Edman <bedman@lvc.edu>
6) RE: MTV VMAs
by "The Honorable Ari Goldmann" <agoldman@bates.edu>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5604
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
8) DT gigs/ improv / limitations
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
9) Re: MTV VMAs
by JamesAhab@aol.com
10) me pulls out YTSEJAM THE FLAME THROWER..
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
11) Re: MTV VMAs
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
12) Re: MTV VMAs
by WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu>
13) Re: MTV VMAs
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
14) DT interview at knac.com
by cheryl <cherylcat@earthlink.net>
15) Re: St. Louis radio
by "Dale R. Newberry" <tack@sockets.net>
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 05:37:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Crack the Sky
Message-ID: <m13Y3Yh-000JlLC@mail.interzone.com>
>
>Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 09:36:52 -0400
>From: "Dave Neff" <nerf1@erols.com>
>
>A friend of mine gave me a tape of a band called
>"Crack The Sky" and I think they sound almost exactly
>like Echolyn. Way good stuff! Anybody know about them?
>
Crack the Sky is one of my favorite bands. They are from
the western Pennsylvania area and eventually made Baltimore, Maryland
their home. They have done a few "reunion" concerts in Baltimore over
the past few years, but I don't think they plan to make any new albums.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong!
Their first albums are from the late 70's and early 80's.
They have a kind of quirky, but enjoyable style and have some prog
tendencies in the vein of Rush and Queen (though not really like
either one). Their lyrics are often fairly amusing (which is what
makes me think of Queen). They just make cool, fun songs, with
interesting music (good use of dynamics and great melodies).
In the early 90's they came out with a 'comeback' album
called "From the Greenhouse". The title track got some airplay in
Pittsburgh and maybe a few other places. That album is more Pink Floyd
influenced.
If you want to try other albums, I'd recommend their first
album, which is just called "Crack the Sky". I also like "Safety in
Numbers" which was the first album I heard of theirs. Animal Notes
and White Music are also pretty good. I wouldn't recommend any of the
albums after Safety in Numbers, execpt for "From the Greenhouse" unless
you already have the others.
Steve
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 08:54:07 -0400
From: "John DiBella" <dibelj@optonline.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Boy Bands/Lip Syncing
Message-ID: <000801c01b26$352fb4c0$0300bf18@ftp-server>
Andrew,
I used to work for Denny Dunaway, the original bass player for Alice
Cooper. When New Kids On The Block were "the thing" he was forced to take
his 2 daughters to one of their concerts. He actually RAVED about their
back-up band, and said that for what they do, they do it really well.
Apparently there's more talent there than meets the eye, but I STILL
wouldn't pay for it...
John D.
>From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
>
>So I'm watching the VMAs on rerun (since I didn't see them the first
>time) and I am AMAZED that N'Sync is actually performing live! As in,
>they're not lip syncing. You ask me how I can tell?
>
>Well, I have three reasons to believe that they're actually singing. The
>first is that I am a singer and I can tell when somebody is actually
>singing what is shown in the television set. The second is that the
>mixing job is rough; in other words, somebody is actually trying to mix
>their voices together as it's going (as opposed to Britney Spears who was
>most definitely lip syncing - her voice sounded too perfect like it had
>been recorded not only with a condenser mic but had been through
>compressors and eqs already). The third is that they had live musicians
>(and we all know how hard it is to sync live music up to prerecorded
>voices).
>
>This really impresses me. As much as I didn't used to like N'Sync, the
>more I've seen of them the more I appreciate them. They continue to
>impress me.
>
>I know I'm gonna get flamed out the wazoo for this :)
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:11:03 -0400
From: Brooks Edman <bedman@lvc.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Crack The Sky?
Message-ID: <39BBA487.67FD3669@lvc.edu>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 09:36:52 -0400
> From: "Dave Neff" <nerf1@erols.com>
> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
> Subject: Crack The Sky?
> Message-ID: <000401c01a63$1f7946a0$a2dbfea9@oemcomputer>
>
> A friend of mine gave me a tape of a band called
> "Crack The Sky" and I think they sound almost exactly
> like Echolyn. Way good stuff! Anybody know about them?
>
> ------------------------------
Hell yeah. Crack the sky is from good old Baltimore (my hometown). They are great and I
actually played a show with them once. It was a benefit show for some group called
A.L.P.H.A (active locals preventing heroin addiction). It was cool and I talked with the
gutarist for hours back stage.
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:20:09 -0400
From: Brooks Edman <bedman@lvc.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5604
Message-ID: <39BBA6A9.C5B50C84@lvc.edu>
> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 15:34:00 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
> Subject: MTV VMAs
> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0009091529200.30488-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
>
> So I'm watching the VMAs on rerun (since I didn't see them the first
> time) and I am AMAZED that N'Sync is actually performing live! As in,
> they're not lip syncing. You ask me how I can tell?
>
> Well, I have three reasons to believe that they're actually singing. The
> first is that I am a singer and I can tell when somebody is actually
> singing what is shown in the television set. The second is that the
> mixing job is rough; in other words, somebody is actually trying to mix
> their voices together as it's going (as opposed to Britney Spears who was
> most definitely lip syncing - her voice sounded too perfect like it had
> been recorded not only with a condenser mic but had been through
> compressors and eqs already). The third is that they had live musicians
> (and we all know how hard it is to sync live music up to prerecorded
> voices).
>
> This really impresses me. As much as I didn't used to like N'Sync, the
> more I've seen of them the more I appreciate them. They continue to
> impress me.
>
> I know I'm gonna get flamed out the wazoo for this :)
>
> -------------------------------------------------
> Ah yes. We discussed this on friday in my Music Recording Technology Class. N'stink
> was actually singing BUT they had a little technology on their side. It is called auto
> tune. A little box that can correct pitch on the spot. So the boys were singing but had
> some help! Also it is not very hard to sync a live band to a loop. They probably all
> had in ear monitors and they could hear the click track through them (this was very
> noticable in christina aguleras performance when that guy from limp butthead came up
> and the drummer totally stopped playing)
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:19:58 -0400
From: "The Honorable Ari Goldmann" <agoldman@bates.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: MTV VMAs
Message-ID: <NDBBIKGKKLCGJMPIJKOKEEFNCBAA.agoldman@bates.edu>
>This really impresses me. As much as I didn't used to like N'Sync, the
>more I've seen of them the more I appreciate them. They continue to
>impress me.
>I know I'm gonna get flamed out the wazoo for this :)
Actually Andrew I agree with you. Despite what anybody thinks about
N'Sync's music, it can't be disputed that they are hard working musicians
doing what they love. And that, at the very least, must be respected.
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:50:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5604
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0009101248590.77564-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Brooks Edman wrote:
> Ah yes. We discussed this on friday in my Music Recording Technology
> Class. N'stink was actually singing BUT they had a little technology
> on their side. It is called auto tune. A little box that can correct
> pitch on the spot. So the boys were singing but had some help! Also it
> is not very hard to sync a live band to a loop. They probably all had
> in ear monitors and they could hear the click track through them (this
> was very noticable in christina aguleras performance when that guy
> from limp butthead came up and the drummer totally stopped playing)
Okay, here's the thing though: They were singing out of tune at
points. So explain that with the autotune. Yes, I know they use that
plugin in the studio and probably live sometimes, too, but there were
definitely moments when their chords were off. I've seen that plugin at
work and I know how it works as well (I've also had experience recording
and using things like that - it's actually a handy plugin :), but I also
have perfect pitch and trust me, I know when a chord is off.
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Andrew Coutermarsh
a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu
http://cout.dhs.org/
Cloak on IRC
ICQ: 2513441
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 16:17:54 +0200
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: DT gigs/ improv / limitations
Message-ID: <39BB9811.AE57537D@mol.com.mk>
> From: "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
> Subject: keyboards
>
> I would say most likely Dream Theater doesn't change their setlist
> because they can't remember that many songs. DT have a reputation
> of being extraordinarily precise when performing
OK, but what about improvisations? I think it's possible once in a while
getting free and just try out some jams ...
I was wondering, that Petrucci solo on Live in Tokyo, during TLF. That
is by all means the best Petrucci solo act, IMO. Now, it seems like he
is improvising, or you think he had prepared bits 'n pieces of it
before?
Occasionaly when Myung and Mike jump in with rhythmic background for
what Petrucci is playing at the moment, at times it seems to good to be
all improvisation. Like Myung is holding one note line and then changes
into 2 notes bass background while the same time Mike starts little
different drum pattern. I dunno, can please someone say something if he
knows?
I love that whole part, it's awesome. That's why personally I HATED the
OIALT guitar solo, we didn't need yet anoter show-off, at least as far
as I am concerned.
Oh well, ... I'm just wondering why they don't do it, and I can't
believe such a musicians are not capable of improvisations. Maybe the
thing is - DT stick TOO MUCH to the prog genre and that style. Maybe
they don't even think in that direction, having improvisations ... I
dunno ...
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:18:17 EDT
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: MTV VMAs
Message-ID: <77.95c8b61.26ed5499@aol.com>
>< So I'm watching the VMAs on rerun (since I didn't see them the first
time) and I am AMAZED that N'Sync is actually performing live! As in,
they're not lip syncing. <cut> This really impresses me. As much as I didn't
used to like N'Sync, the more I've seen of them the more I appreciate them.
They continue to impress me. ><
Why would you be impressed that they're not lip syncing? Is it really become
so bad that because Britney Spears and countless other kiddie pop groups have
lip-synced, we just expect everyone to lip sync? And when they actaully sing
their songs live, like every other band in existence does, it's impressive?
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 16:46:46 -0500
From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: me pulls out YTSEJAM THE FLAME THROWER..
Message-ID: <20000910.164800.-19703.3.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
Andrew-Nsync are bad.
BSB kick there ass anyday. The difference is BSB actually have decent
voices, they just sing crap. That last song from their last album, (slow
they are all moping around) I don't know the name. Anyway when the guy
with the pony tail gets off the bus in the video, he goes up and down the
scale quite nicely.
Nsync should go bye bye bye
Jessica Simpson makes all the other blondes look REALLY bad. Have you
ever seen her? WWWWWWWWOOOOOOOWWWWWWW.
Kurt
NP-DT Hollow Years
"Shut the f*ck up.
Don't make me come down there and kick your f*cking ass"
-James Labrie 4/16/97
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:52:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: MTV VMAs
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0009101848360.99989-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Sun, 10 Sep 2000 JamesAhab@aol.com wrote:
> >< So I'm watching the VMAs on rerun (since I didn't see them the
> first time) and I am AMAZED that N'Sync is actually performing live!
> As in, they're not lip syncing. <cut> This really impresses me. As
> much as I didn't used to like N'Sync, the more I've seen of them the
> more I appreciate them. They continue to impress me. ><
>
> Why would you be impressed that they're not lip syncing? Is it really
> become so bad that because Britney Spears and countless other kiddie
> pop groups have lip-synced, we just expect everyone to lip sync? And
> when they actaully sing their songs live, like every other band in
> existence does, it's impressive?
Well, I didn't really mean that they impress me because they weren't lip
synching. What I meant was that they sounded GOOD and they weren't lip
synching, and THAT impresses me. As I said, they continue to amaze me
because the harmonies they use (regardless of whether or not they use
AutoTune, which I'm sure they do) and the way they perform is great. The
more I've listened to the boy band/pop music of today, the more I like
it. Hey, it's not rocket science music like DT's, but it's music
nonetheless - and as I've said continually in the past, pop music is there
for one purpose and one purpose only (if you discount the whole money
thing): to have FUN. And hell, if I'm going to a dance club or a party, I
don't WANT to hear Dream Theater, I want to hear pop music. It's easy to
dance to, it's fun, happy, and it goes great in the background. What more
could you ask for when you're in the mood to dance and drink?
-------------------------------------------------
Andrew Coutermarsh
a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu
http://cout.dhs.org/
Cloak on IRC
ICQ: 2513441
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"I'm not going to have some reporters pawing
through our papers. We are the President."
- Hillary Clinton commenting on the release of
subpoenaed documents.
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:59:20 -0700
From: WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: MTV VMAs
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20000910193048.00b57790@cs.millersville.edu>
>N'Sync is actually performing live! As in,
>they're not lip syncing. You ask me how I can tell?
Not to dispute that, but I saw a minute or two of them on "The Today Show",
and they were clearly lip synching. They were out in the middle of the
street with pre-recorded backing instruments. It shouldn't be a surprise,
though, that N'Sync *can* actually sing under different circumstances. The
lot of them were selected from hundreds of applicants to be 'the next big
thing', and singing ability was no doubt one of the requirements for
selection. (And, of course, that, in terms of musical legitimacy,
nullifies any talent the dudes may genuinely have!) Plus, considering the
amount of money the suits have invested in the group, I'm sure they've
bought their golden boys-of-the-month a singing lesson or three.
What's with rerunning awards shows anyhow? FOX played those damn Teen
(Clone) Choice Awards for about the fifteenth time last week. Aren't these
supposed to be one-shot deals? Next thing you know, the they'll be showing
"Nightline" repeats after Saturday morning cartoons.
Changing the subject:
To those that haven't heard, King Crimson is going on tour relatively
soon. Check out elephant-talk.com for tourdates.
Brian
[NP...Arena -- Immortal?]
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:22:57 -0400
From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: MTV VMAs
Message-ID: <39BC33F1.8398068F@yunque.net>
Andrew Coutermarsh wrote:
> Well, I didn't really mean that they impress me because they weren't lip
> synching. What I meant was that they sounded GOOD and they weren't lip
> synching, and THAT impresses me. As I said, they continue to amaze me
> because the harmonies they use (regardless of whether or not they use
> AutoTune, which I'm sure they do) and the way they perform is great. The
> more I've listened to the boy band/pop music of today, the more I like
> it. Hey, it's not rocket science music like DT's, but it's music
> nonetheless - and as I've said continually in the past, pop music is there
> for one purpose and one purpose only (if you discount the whole money
> thing): to have FUN. And hell, if I'm going to a dance club or a party, I
> don't WANT to hear Dream Theater, I want to hear pop music. It's easy to
> dance to, it's fun, happy, and it goes great in the background. What more
> could you ask for when you're in the mood to dance and drink?
>
>
Good! For once it's good to see someone on this list who can appreciate
other types of
music (im talking about pop/dance/techno/electronic) other than prog rock. Yes
, prog is
awesome, so is jazz and some metal, but different music serve different
purposes. While
i think boy bands suck, i do have to give them credit for singing live. Why?
you may ask, because
like it or not, theyre singing , harmonizing while doing some crazy dances for
shits sake!
In that sense i believe theyre more "entertainers", because theyre singers and
dancers not musicians.
Sure, DT are virtuoso players, but they hardly even sing while playing their
instruments, IMO doing choreographed dances while singing is just as hard or
even harder (at least phisically to maintain pitch and be harmonious).
It sort of brings me back to a few jams ago, when people were talking
about how this club had
a dress code, and some of you were bitching about it and talking about the
"beautiful people club" or something to that effect.. SHEESH... some of you
*need* to enjoy other aspects of life. While its true
that a lot of people who are into the club scene are shallow, image minded
people, i found it very disturbing seeing people criticizing others just
because they enjoy dressing up and going to a club. And you wonder why people
think prog and prog listeners suck. Some of you need to lay off the D&D for
one weekend and enjoy a night of dancing and drinking with good friends..
:Disclaimer: The preceding was just my (inflamatory) opinion.
Come into this night, Your plight alone
Carry your weight, You are flawed as all of us
Come into this night, You only home
Itīs never too late, To repent, suffer the loss
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Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc.
mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:22:16 -0700
From: cheryl <cherylcat@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: DT interview at knac.com
Message-ID: <39BC4FE8.14C4792B@earthlink.net>
Forgive me if this has already been mentioned (I've been on Maui for a
week and deftly deleted all my emails when I got home due to laziness).
But this is pretty damn kewl...
http://www.knac.com/Feat_Page?featureID=6039
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Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:56:06 -0500
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <tack@sockets.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: St. Louis radio
Message-ID: <auto-000018748849@front001.cluster1.charter.net>
Damn, it's been a little while since I've posted. Oh well, it's good to
be back in the St. Louis area. Radio here has gotten much better
the past year or so. In fact, I just heard tonight on 97.1 FM
(www.97.fm) (the show Metal Shop that's on Sunday nights from 10-
12) none other than Metropolis Pt. 1. I was thnking of calling in
and requesting it, but looks like either the DJ or some other listener
beat me to it :).
Dale R. Newberry
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