YTSEJAM Digest 5611
Today's Topics:
1) FATES TOUR
by "Trevor Hoit" <thoit@winstar.com>
2) EVENT News - Press Release
by EVENTdrums@aol.com
3) Re: Funny James Story
by mildew@ucla.edu
4) VideoCD
by "Logo.sys" <logo@mailbox.ro>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5610
by Sum WhiteGuy <pokgaitsai@yahoo.com>
6) Re: the setlist to die for :)
by Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com>
7) RE: the setlist to die for :)
by "Tim Willis" <tim@coderite.com>
8) Trey Gunn Tour
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
9) Spinal Tap
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
10) Re: Re: Kevin's solo material
by "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5610
by Chris Elder <twilightzone@mindspring.com>
12) Theatre Of Tragedy
by Nicholas Sakkos <cassidy@x-treme.gr>
13) Re: Theatre Of Tragedy
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:04:16 -0700
From: "Trevor Hoit" <thoit@winstar.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: FATES TOUR
Message-ID: <000c01c01f2e$9a2beae0$574b010a@winstar.com>
I hope that 11-16 TBA will be Seattle, but I doubt it....
Trevor
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:55:18 EDT
From: EVENTdrums@aol.com
To: EVENTdrums@aol.com
Subject: EVENT News - Press Release
Message-ID: <1e.ab731e6.26f3a066@aol.com>
Shaun Michaud of EVENT will be on tour with Fates Warning in late october as
their backup guitarist/keyboardist. Shaun will take a short leave of absence
from teaching at Berklee College of Music to join the four week tour.
visit http://www.eventband.com or http://www.fateswarning.com for more info
and tour dates
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:22:15 -0800
From: mildew@ucla.edu
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Funny James Story
Message-ID: <200009151832.LAA28376@panther.noc.ucla.edu>
Lol Jared, that was great, even if you did post it twice :) ALmost as good as the Yngvie-fish episode Jens posted, which I need to get a hard copy of. That one's a keeper.
~~Amanda
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 21:34:05 +0300
From: "Logo.sys" <logo@mailbox.ro>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: VideoCD
Message-ID: <000701c01f43$9f76b240$5676e2c1@default>
Hi!
I'm looking for some DT recordings on VideoCD format.
I wonder if anyone can help me.
Thanks.
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:42:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sum WhiteGuy <pokgaitsai@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5610
Message-ID: <20000915184208.18518.qmail@web1604.mail.yahoo.com>
>Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 12:47:57 EET-2
>From: "Tanja Sorsa" <Tanja.Sorsa@fng.fi>
>To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
>Subject: Finn prog in Baltimore!
>Message-ID: <200009150950.MAA24333@sieni.fng.fi>
>
>
>Hey!
>
>http://www.progrock.net/shows/showcase/
>
>Two brilliant prog bands from Finland - Alamaailman
>Vasarat and
>Höyry-kone - will be playing at the Orion Sound
>Studios on October
>14. If I was you, I'd be there! :) Both bands are
>amazing live...
>
Being a regular attendee at the Orion Studio shows, I
am already planning to be there. But hearing that
Höyry-kone plays some Iron Maiden, I can't wait!! :-)
I'll dig out the IM shirt for this one.
And to reiterate: Trey Gunn at Orion tomorrow night.
Also at Orion: Richard Leo Johnson on 9/23. He'll be
with an avant garde drummer (whose name eludes me).
RLJ and this drummer opened for KC at the Nashville
warmup shows. I've seen RLJ twice at Orion and if you
like wacky acoustic guitar music, go see him. He
plays this cool lookin' double neck acoustic.
Unfortunately, this is the same night I'm driving to
Philly to see California Guitar Trio at the Tin Angel.
If you like acoustic guitar music (classical, surf,
rock covers, whatever....) you should check these guys
out.
On the Hammerjacks thread: The City Paper ad I saw
has a web address: www.hammerjacks.org (with .net and
com coming soon). I looked at it this morniong but
it also has little info, but a promise of things to
come. Only 177 hits, too.
Jon.
pokgaitsai@yahoo.com
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:41:55 -0400
From: Adam Pye <alpine1@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: the setlist to die for :)
Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20000915152951.00bb7460@mindspring.com>
At 08:49 AM 9/15/00 -0700, you wrote:
>I usually HATE those wishlists, but I must say this was one hell of an
>imagination. And a very good idea damn it. :)
>
>Many bands did some kind of coreograohy (sp?) for their gigs, so let's
>hope DT gets more popular (=more budget for tours) and do this kind of
>thing some day. :) LOL, agan it was AWESOME idea for a gig.
Well, it would be a great setlist if 1) they hadn't played SFAM in its
entirety every show in the past 6 months or so, and 2) they didn't have any
other songs. :) They just did M2 and M1 (both in their entirety) at the
Roseland show. And trust me - the actors and video were, for the most
part, very cheesy. Dream Theater are musicians, not Broadway musical
actors. They need to concentrate on making a good musical show - not on
half-baked videos, costumes, and hired actors. It was pretty cool for the
Roseland just because it was new and different (and was only going to be
done once, thankfully). The narrator, as Bogie put it to me, simply
"sucked monkey ass.." Hehe..
I think I'd stop going to see DT if they choreographed all of their
shows. With Jordan in the band there's already way too little spontaneity
in their live shows - I'd hate to see them turn into true
robots. Queensryche's a good example - Geoff saying the EXACT same things
to the crowd during every show is a joke to me. Are they musicians or
stand-up comedians? I long for the days during Derek's "stint" when they
would do completely random covers or joke around on stage (Nicky Lemmons,
Nightmare Cinema, Ice Cream Man, etc). Jordan's a great technician, but
I'd say he definitely hurts the band in terms of "fun factor."
Oh, and as for the multiple solos.. I guarentee you that would get boring
after about 5 minutes.. It's a live show, not a clinic..
Just my 2 cents...
Adam
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:45:15 -0500
From: "Tim Willis" <tim@coderite.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: the setlist to die for :)
Message-ID: <NDBBKCJABKLFNOPHHNIMAEPJDBAA.tim@coderite.com>
I guess it's true then - art is dead.
> Well, it would be a great setlist if 1) they hadn't played SFAM in its
> entirety every show in the past 6 months or so, and 2) they
> didn't have any
> other songs. :) They just did M2 and M1 (both in their
> entirety) at the
> Roseland show. And trust me - the actors and video were, for the most
> part, very cheesy. Dream Theater are musicians, not Broadway musical
> actors. They need to concentrate on making a good musical show - not on
> half-baked videos, costumes, and hired actors. It was pretty
> cool for the
> Roseland just because it was new and different (and was only going to be
> done once, thankfully). The narrator, as Bogie put it to me, simply
> "sucked monkey ass.." Hehe..
>
> I think I'd stop going to see DT if they choreographed all of their
> shows. With Jordan in the band there's already way too little
> spontaneity
> in their live shows - I'd hate to see them turn into true
> robots. Queensryche's a good example - Geoff saying the EXACT
> same things
> to the crowd during every show is a joke to me. Are they musicians or
> stand-up comedians? I long for the days during Derek's "stint" when they
> would do completely random covers or joke around on stage (Nicky Lemmons,
> Nightmare Cinema, Ice Cream Man, etc). Jordan's a great technician, but
> I'd say he definitely hurts the band in terms of "fun factor."
>
> Oh, and as for the multiple solos.. I guarentee you that would get boring
> after about 5 minutes.. It's a live show, not a clinic..
>
> Just my 2 cents...
>
> Adam
>
>
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:23:46 -0500
From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Trey Gunn Tour
Message-ID: <006401c01f5b$3ca67200$8184e5cf@someone>
I was never a huge Crimson fan. I like them, but sometimes I think they
need more of a dynamic range... like, maybe some real leads, and some really
emotional melody stuff... I find them to be sort of like a mad scientist
band, but without a research grant (they're all great players, and they're
really experimental, but they don't ever fully explore the possibilities of
their experiments). My first exposure to KC and to Trey Gunn (other than
Thrakattak, which I don't get) was their DVD.
On the Crimson DVD there's a LOT of great musicianship... but none of it
touches what I saw at the Trey Gunn show at Martyr's here in Chicago. Warr
guitar (to me) sounds much better than Stick. It's to the point where I
think I would switch instruments if I could afford a Warr (so much of my
playing is touchstyle anyways, now, and you CAN pick on a Warr).
Trey has chops! I have 3 of his albums, and I didn't think he had shred
chops... I thought he was all layers and soundscapes... he has chops. Since
I first heard of the Stick (92-93) I have been waiting to see someone play
one with something similar to Holdsworth or Helmerich chops... this is
finally getting there (Trey Gunn plays Warr Guitar... a theoretical offshoot
of the Chapman Stick). All of the stick and Warr players I've seen and
heard, up to this point, either play the traditional way, which usually
entails comping a progression and soloing with the other hand... USUALLY at
the expense of one another. I have heard of some amazing players who can
play some mean Coltrane and all kinds of nutty stuff, but I haven't seen it.
Trey Gunn will IMMEDIATELY appeal to ANY DT fan who likes instrumental
music. I don't think his CDs do... the new one is really good, but still
lacks the dynamic of what he can do live. If you have the opportunity to
see him on this tour, GO AND SEE HIM! It's probably cheap, too... in
Chicago it was like $15. Great melodies, and beautiful songs, with plenty
of balls behind them, on an instrument you've probably never seen played up
close... you can't NOT go!
- Chris
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 23:14:37 +0200
From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Spinal Tap
Message-ID: <39C2913D.EF61B5FF@mol.com.mk>
What is the title of the movie please?
I only saw a clip and it was hillarious (the part he explain to the
customer about the amplifier volume switch up to 11" LOLOLOL
> From: Sum WhiteGuy <pokgaitsai@yahoo.com>
>
> "mmmmmmm.......two Warr Guitars"
Say it with Homer Simpson voice, silly! :)))
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Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 00:48:39 -0700
From: "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Re: Kevin's solo material
Message-ID: <D41A90E237B84D11EA000005B8E841F4@robpociluk.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
Yet all that was mentioned was still metal. In any case, there is more =
to music than
progmetal as you have mentioned. I am more into standard prog BUT do e=
njoy your standard
metal...jazz, pop rock, etc.
As for Kev's solo stuff, it's getting dull. The new CD is background m=
usic and nothing more. I
think Dead Air For Radios had some good tracks, most of which I had alr=
eady owned in demo
form. It's not the style that's the problem, it's the songs. They jus=
t aren't that interesting.
Rob
---- Begin Original Message ----
Sent: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:52:11 -0700 (PDT)
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Kevin's solo material
---- Original Message -----
]From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
> Very interesting thread you have started Carlos...
> To me (opinion =A0 =A0opinion) =A0I don't personally care for Kevin M=
oore's solo
> material. =A0It's very spacey and very 'mellow'... a far cry from wha=
t he
> played with DT for years. =A0 It isn't bad - I just don't care for it=
> personally. =A0 I'm so glad that Kevin finished up Awake before depar=
ting to
> his softer solo style.
Of course, i mean everythings a matter of personal taste. I for one enj=
oy
Kev's new stuff =A0A LOT. =A0Different strokes for different folks, as =
with
everything in life (almost). Although well I have to admit im one of th=
e few
who even prefer Derek's style to jordan's. I hardly listen to "prog"
anymore, basically just DT, Fates (which have gone in a very interestin=
g
direction themselves IMO) and Spocks Beard. =A0Im listening to a lot of=
heavier stuff (Opeth, My Dying Bride, Meshuggah, In Flames, some black =
metal
etc.) and lighter stuff (Gathering, newer anathema/tiamat etc)
I just feel ive grown out of the more "pompous" prog stylings like lots=
of
solos, neoclassical, operatic bla bla. While im not ready to "give up" =
on
the genre itself, mainly becaus i simply LOVE dt, =A0and because of fre=
sh
sounding stuff like what fates is doing and Spock's beard which is like=
retro but fresh sounding :P . Ive said it before and ill say it again
(ferris?) one of the most progressive and incredible albums ive heard i=
n a
LONG time has been Opeth's Still Life. No meandering solos, no operatic=
vocals, just plain tight musicianship, great melodies, and just ...its
overwhelming.
---- End Original Message ----
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Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 03:11:09 -0600
From: Chris Elder <twilightzone@mindspring.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5610
Message-ID: <B5E8954D.296%twilightzone@mindspring.com>
on 9/15/00 9:49 AM, ytsejam@torchsong.com at ytsejam@torchsong.com wrote:
> I usually HATE those wishlists, but I must say this was one hell of an
> imagination. And a very good idea damn it. :)
>=20
> Many bands did some kind of coreograohy (sp?) for their gigs, so let's
> hope DT gets more popular (=3Dmore budget for tours) and do this kind of
> thing some day. :) LOL, agan it was AWESOME idea for a gig.
I personally hope they don't get any bigger. This is like some elite club.
I love listing to stuff no one else does, DT hits TRL the genre becomes hot
then Symphony X, Nightwish, and Strato follow. No thanks.
(Not that I don't want the band to make lots of money so they stick with it=
)
> the DVD could be different
dude...the DVD is ALWAYS different...Far SUPERIOR. After DVD, watching VHS
is like going from CD to 8-track tapes. Not to mention the DVD includes:
=80 Over One Hour of Extra Footage.
=80 New Audio Commentary by Spinal Tap in Character
=80 New Interview with Rob Reiner
=80 Trailers and TV Spots
=80 Music Videos
=80 Rare TV Appearances
=80 Widescreen anamorphic format
DVD!DVD!DVD!DVD!DVD!DVD!DVD!DVD!DVD!DVD!DVD!DVD!DVD!DVD!DVD!DVD!DVD!DVD!DVD=
!
-chris
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Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 13:19:29 +0300
From: Nicholas Sakkos <cassidy@x-treme.gr>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Theatre Of Tragedy
Message-ID: <39C34930.875E4987@x-treme.gr>
Has anyone got any info on the new album?
I've heard some rumors that they've changed their
music style quite drastically.
Thanks in advance
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Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 07:08:06 -0400
From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Theatre Of Tragedy
Message-ID: <39C35496.B52F235F@yunque.net>
Nicholas Sakkos wrote:
> Has anyone got any info on the new album?
> I've heard some rumors that they've changed their
> music style quite drastically.
> Thanks in advance
its true...
www.theatreoftragedy.com
--Come into this night, Your plight alone Carry your weight, You are flawed as all of us Come into this night, You only home It´s never too late, To repent, suffer the loss Opeth : Benighted Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org
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