YTSEJAM Digest 5946
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Shadow Gallery
by Coldfire the Gallery Mistress <coldie@bellatlantic.net>
2) RE: Shadow Gallery
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
3) Yit C Jam
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
4) another yahoo football pick 'em game
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@yahoo.com>
5) SPANISH MAILINGLIST
by Fielding Mellish <verdi777ar@yahoo.com>
6) G3 again
by rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com>
7) Re: SPANISH MAILINGLIST
by "Andre Navarro" <gan_andre@hotmail.com>
8) Mullmuzzler review
by cheryl <cherylcat@earthlink.net>
9) ProgDay and Shadow Gallery
by Bruce Duesterhoeft <bduester@mindspring.com>
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:33:01 -0400
From: Coldfire the Gallery Mistress <coldie@bellatlantic.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Shadow Gallery
Message-ID: <3B8B9D8D.BDC1388A@bellatlantic.net>
Actually that bio on Joe's page is wrong. I notified his webmaster
quite some time ago and they have not changed it.
Coldfire
Aris wrote:
>
> Actually that is a half truth, at least according to www.bigbeatstudio.com
> :
>
> (Referring to Joe Nevolo)
> "...He also recorded and performed with Adrian Dodz and he recorded and
> completed a
> European tour that included 3 countries with the highly touted band, Shadow
> Gallery (Magna
> Carta Records)."
>
> dreamer
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:09:13 -0500
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Shadow Gallery
Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A05A8AEA6@ISDCRE00>
Shadow Gallery has -Never- played a single LIVE show. They do not tour.
They are a studio band. So you won't hear any boots..
JM
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AiCFAN4@aol.com [SMTP:AiCFAN4@aol.com]
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 2:33 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Shadow Gallery
>
> I'm not sure how much any of you are into Shadow Gallery, but I was
> wondering if anyone knows if they've toured much, or if they have plans to
> tour to promote Legacy? Or does anyone have any boots if they have
> toured? I haven't heard much talk about these guys on this list, but they
> are by far one of my favorite prog bands. Thanks.
>
> GreG
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:55:19 -0500
From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Yit C Jam
Message-ID: <001301c12fea$9c774740$0b01a8c0@mindspring.com>
> From: "Mariano Gil" <marianogil@eresmas.com>
> Friends, I would love to do this fantasy Metallica/Megadeth tour, but
> only after knowing that James is ok.
<insert cash register sign, put $ marks over both eyes> A lot of love in
this room.
> From: Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
> Well, apparently it was Vai instead of Petrucci who had something to say
in
> Chi-town then - at all three southern CA shows, Petrucci was a helluva lot
> more talkative than Vai.
At the first G3 show, a few years back, Vai was talking a lot, and had
the most crowd interaction out of any show I've ever seen, up until then,
and still, today. If you have the cd, there's that whole part where he's
controlling the volume of the crowds screams etc. It was wild. The second
G3 show a year or so later, he was more quiet, but still spoke now and then.
This show, I clearly remember him introducing some tunes, and talking up
Virgil etc. But his show was more about a dream team band this year than
ever I have seen him. And he had less time to stretch than he would at a
normal show.
> > I deny that Vai put on the EXACT same show every night. It's not
possible.
>
> OK fine - Vai's performance in LA sucked compared to the first two gigs -
> not that he played bad that night, but he certainly was not "on" like he
was
> the previous two nights. Other than his actual performance it was the same
> EXACT show - I saw three shows - how many did you see?
"You misunderstand my point" Scott. :) Maybe you have to be a
guitarist or extremely well versed in Vai's note choice to hear these
things, but there are clearly spots in most of the songs he played where he
was improvising. Having seen Vai about 6 times in my life, I don't believe
he played the same things on those spots. You're talking about "jokes" and
"setlists" and "crowd interactions" etc, and I'm talking about music. And
you're conveniently ignoring the whole thing about theater as compared to
music.
You want to talk about boring? I went on the last east coast tour
following DT. You know what kicked so much ass about that? Hanging out
with all of the Ytses all over the east coast that I would otherwise never
have met in person. Dream Theater played just about the exact same sets
every night. They didn't have any special jokes to tell etc. It was just
the playing etc. To this day, I still can not listen to Peruvian Skies. In
fact, I haven't listened to any Dream Theater since the last time they came
through Chicago, except for that B Sides rarities disc you hooked me up
with.
> I said something along the lines of "he didn't seem to know what to do -
he
> was definitely out of his element".
I don't think I read that. My mistake.
> Wrong Chris - you ASSumed that I want to see "stationary" prog
Bah. Nice. You only LOOK 17, Scott. You don't have to ACT it. Hehehe
> turned off. The one thing you seem to neglect to really address was my
point
> of spontaneity. I don't expect Vai to change his setlist, I don't expect
him
> not to pull all the fancy tricks - what I *do* expect is that each show
feel
> unique and fresh (if you happen to see him multiple nights), and that my
> friend was what was lacking when I saw him the second and third nights -
it
> seemed as if he was on autopilot.
It's possible. He's human (or at least half-human... I'm not sure on
that) But I'm just as inclined to say it could be YOU. You're human too.
I have ruined concerts for myself because I wasn't in the right state of
mind... I was purely miserable on my first Iron Maiden show because I wasn't
in the mood to be sweated on and pushed by a crowd. I just don't see Vai
being as cookie cutter as you point him out to be, and I KNOW that Dream
Theater can be that cookie cutter and I have never seen you complain. I
think you're picking and choosing who you're going to allow to bore you. :)
> > It is precisely like someone else said, with stand up comics.
> > Most do NOT ad lib much of their shows.
>
> I agree - BUT if you go to see them at multiple shows, I'm sure you still
> feel that you've seen them at a different show - one night they might pick
> on a couple sitting in the front row - the next night they might hit on
some
> cute chick sitting a row or two back, etc.
No, I mean I have seen the guys I named do pretty much the EXACT same
bits on multiple occasions, in the same order.
> > At least within the context of the songs, there is often some
significant
> > change and experimentation.
>
> Ah, but there wasn't on this tour, or at least I certainly didn't hear any
> changes, save for Virgil Donati's killer drum solo.
Again, I am inclined to believe, hate me if you will, that you must be a
G (as in Guitarist hehehe) to understand everything that goes on in a Vai
set. It's just like how I had NO IDEA that Mike Mangini was on Virgil's
level, and ABOVE Virgil's level, in many ways (including double bass) after
seeing him with Vai several times. Being a G and not a D, I missed a lot of
the complex subtleties and several of the technical variations. Vai
improvises parts of most of his tunes. He changes the way he physically
plays many of the parts of his tunes. Perhaps you have to know what to look
for, or you have to be paying attention to him, rather than the whole show
in order to truly see what's up.
> On a little side note - Chris, are you coming to NAMM this year?
Waiting to hear from Smutpants (Jeff Storck... the dude I went with the
last 2 years). I am teaching again instead of selling my soul for web dev
$$$ so maybe my shop can get me my own passes... otherwise, I hope it's not
too late for the Dr_Mosh hook-up. :) This year should be an important year
there for me, because I should have a CD done that I can hand out and beg
for free loot. :)
- Chris
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:12:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: another yahoo football pick 'em game
Message-ID: <20010828181220.6835.qmail@web3406.mail.yahoo.com>
college football this time, but I'm offering the same
prize, a single disc roio from my yet meager
collection.....go to
fantasysports.yahoo.com and click on the "college
football pick 'em" on the left side panel
group ID: 3000
group password: tarkus
and, just in case the last msg on this topic didn't
make it through, i got a pro pick 'em thing set up at
the same site, with
group ID: 1512
group password: tarkus
(So I got no imagination)
only 6 signed up for the pro thingy....them's pretty
good odds, I think, and if you win both, you can grab
a 2 disc boot.....
partha
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:16:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Fielding Mellish <verdi777ar@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: SPANISH MAILINGLIST
Message-ID: <20010828191656.78046.qmail@web14703.mail.yahoo.com>
Hi! for those who speak spanish in this list
there's now a good DT mailing list.
Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Metropolis-t
and join!!
Nos vemos ahi!!
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:03:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: G3 again
Message-ID: <20010828210307.17347.qmail@web10704.mail.yahoo.com>
I hate to keep this thread going, so I swear this is
the last I say. Chris brags consistently that he went
to 3 G3 shows in California. First off, I wish I
could just AFFORD 3 G3 tix in California(i maybe
mistaken, but I think those were the most expensive
tix on the tour) much less GO to 3 shows! Some of us
have lives and live too far away from most of the tour
to make it practicle to go to multiple shows. Second,
if I could go to more than one show on a tour, it
would not bother me to see the exact same show. If
you don't want the same show from the same ppl, start
going to jazz shows or stop going to multiple shows
period. Oh, and remember, it is a "SHOW".
====
Rob Denni
3008 Tallwood Way
Augusta, GA 30906
(706) 790-8937
Go visit my website! http://home.talkcity.com/HeadbangersHwy/funkygroove/index.html
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:31:48 -0400
From: "Andre Navarro" <gan_andre@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: SPANISH MAILINGLIST
Message-ID: <F83ZIHd0TlKn4ZHkRQq0000139a@hotmail.com>
>< Hi! for those who speak spanish in this list
there's now a good DT mailing list.
Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Metropolis-t
and join!!
Nos vemos ahi!! ><
just in case you didnt know, there alredy exists a spanish DT mailing list,
pretty good too... www.venskies.com
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:18:35 -0700
From: cheryl <cherylcat@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Mullmuzzler review
Message-ID: <3B8C42EA.63BB4EF5@earthlink.net>
This should rock! :-)
http://www.knac.com/servlet/Article_Page?articleID 373
cheryl
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 00:03:21 -0400
From: Bruce Duesterhoeft <bduester@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: ProgDay and Shadow Gallery
Message-ID: <3B8C6988.3ED14A89@mindspring.com>
I will be at ProgDay this coming weekend. Hopefully a few jammers will be in attendance. I will be in a Blue 10X10 Canopy Tent - either wearing a Dream Theater shirt or I will hang a shirt outside on the tent.
Look to see you there.
- BRUCE
> DAVE NEFF SAID:
>
> In the late 80's, I was lucky enough to be at the right place
> at the right time and saw them play many times in their former
> incarnation known as "Sorcerer". One of my most favorite local
> bands! That Ron guy that used to play guitar for them was great.
> If memory serves, Carl was a projectionist at the Boyd theater
> in Bethlehem at the time. :)
> "Osiris, god of the underworld"
> Heh, after all this time, I still remember that one.
>
> -Dave from Nazareth (back then)
>
> ------------------------------
AND YOU DIDN'T CALL ME TO GO - YOU OLD BASTARD!!!
- DUESTER
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