YTSEJAM Digest 5764
Today's Topics:
1) hot rockin' DT
by Joshua Rasiel <megafunk@optonline.net>
2) the rant of partha
by Joshua Rasiel <megafunk@optonline.net>
3) Re: The videos from the LITS
by "Andre Navarro" <gan_andre@hotmail.com>
4) Small DT graphics
by "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
5) Re: the rant of partha
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
6) Re: Small DT graphics
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu>
7) Re: fatez question........
by "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@xinu.irv.concentric.net>
8) re: fatez
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
9) Upcoming US tour: Opeth, Nevermore, Children of Bodom
by "Paul W. Cashman" <pellaz@atl.mediaone.net>
10) Re: MP3 abuse
by Nick Storr <nick_storr@bigpond.com>
11) Re: fatez question........
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
12) Re: the rant of partha
by "Dark Majesty" <shadow_majesty@hotmail.com>
13) Re: fatez question........
by Graham Boyle <gjboyle@optushome.com.au>
14) Re: fatez question........
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
15) Re: fatez question........
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@enchantize.com>
16) Re: fatez question........
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu>
17) re: Fatez, Symphony X
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
18) You not Me and Stayin Alive... scary
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 18:35:41 -0500
From: Joshua Rasiel <megafunk@optonline.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: hot rockin' DT
Message-ID: <3A85D04C.3355275C@optonline.com>
>Talk about random DT occurrences... A small-town Vermont
>bar has Dream Theater in its jukebox?
well... this is FII we're talking about here.
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 18:51:31 -0500
From: Joshua Rasiel <megafunk@optonline.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: the rant of partha
Message-ID: <3A85D403.E63EFE8@optonline.com>
Partha asked some very good questions which I will address, even though
it took me 7 hours to remove his damnfangled tags:
>I was wondering why the fact that it's being done in honor of the
ytsejam
>mailing list has to be so prominent on the shirt (that stuff at the
bottom
>of the back of the shirt). The reason I love the original ytse-shirt
>(beside the glow in the dark "let the light surround you") is that it
can be
>worn as a Dream Theater shirt, and not scream to the world, "I am a
nerd"
>(not that enough people know who Dream
>Theater are for that to matter)
All DT merchandise has to be licensed, and can only be sold through
cybermusic online or winterland at concerts, and because of the cost of
all involved, would have to cost twice as much...even if I were allowed
to make it. But because I put ytsejam on there, that makes it a fan-club
shirt, which is fine. That first shirt 5 years ago was lucky.
>I never bought Josh's last shirt for the simple fact that he put that
definition of
>progressive on there (apologies if i'm mixing up shirtmakers here).
nope, all me.
>For me, that was like admitting to all those critics who have been
>damning prog music for the last thirty years that, yes, indeed,
>we are pretentious arses.
I think we pretty much are. :)
I believe both of your problems are related: First, you'd prefer the
fans of DT be depicted as just that - not something more obscure. And
second, you'd prefer the same thing of DT themselves.
My response to that is, since by law I must anyway design my product as
clearly not-for-mainstream, or I could be sued, I will go with the flow
and celebrate that very obscurity. I think it's cool when people see the
ytsejam shirt and like it, even though they haven't the foggiest what it
is. Cuz they know that's what DT and the fans are all about. Kind of
like when you watch the simpsons, you'll never get every reference but
you know it's funny anyway.
However, I did make the "ytsejam" part smaller and the "DT" part bigger
this time, and I added the website as well, all to take some of the
focus off us and put more on the internet fans in general. More on that
in the faq.
hope this helps
-josh
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:49:21 -0400
From: "Andre Navarro" <gan_andre@hotmail.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: The videos from the LITS
Message-ID: <OE22FopYC98Bi89Qtpf00004634@hotmail.com>
> What is needed to play these videos? Some extra decompressor?
ya need quicktime 4
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Andre Navarro
"Hoooowdy hooo!" -Mr. Hanky
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:35:56 -0600
From: "James C. Shields" <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
To: ytse Jam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Small DT graphics
Message-ID: <B6AB489B.1390%jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
Quick request:
Can someone point me in the direction of a small majesty gif or jpg? I'm
revamping my site (for a skeletal, content-free preview, go to
http://www.jim-shields.com), and want to have my links section be pics
rather than text. I want it to be thumbnail size, maybe and inch square or
so. Itchy, if you have something official you'd like me to use, just lemme
know thru the jam.
@!# @!# @!# @!#
Jim
guitarist, Room 213
www.room213.com
"Don't let the world bring you down
Not everyone here is that fucked up and cold
remember why you came and while you're alive
Experience the warmth before you grow old"
Incubus
@!# @!# @!# @!#
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:43:01 -0600
From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: the rant of partha
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010210194102.00a8c570@pi-r-squared.com>
>
>
>My response to that is, since by law I must anyway design my product as
>clearly not-for-mainstream, or I could be sued, I will go with the flow
>and celebrate that very obscurity. I think it's cool when people see the
>ytsejam shirt and like it, even though they haven't the foggiest what it
>is. Cuz they know that's what DT and the fans are all about. Kind of
>like when you watch the simpsons, you'll never get every reference but
>you know it's funny anyway.
I'm guessing the shirt isn't on sale yet... correct? (I feel like Ralph
Wiggum right now ;) )
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 21:33:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Small DT graphics
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0102102131440.70638-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Sat, 10 Feb 2001, James C. Shields wrote:
> Quick request: Can someone point me in the direction of a small
> majesty gif or jpg? I'm revamping my site (for a skeletal,
> content-free preview, go to http://www.jim-shields.com), and want to
> have my links section be pics rather than text. I want it to be
> thumbnail size, maybe and inch square or so. Itchy, if you have
> something official you'd like me to use, just lemme know thru the jam.
This is about as official as you can get: I have a DT logo font you are
allowed to use, located at http://cout.dhs.org/dtlogofont.zip. You can
get a Majesty symbol from that font, using the Y key, and you can make it
any size you want (it's a TrueType font). Plus, it's been officially ok'd
by Mike Portnoy (I checked with him before I even started distributing the
file). Read the README.txt file included in the ZIP to know exactly how
to use the font to make the DT logo correctly (it's a case-sensitive font
as well). Glad to be of help.
-------------------------------------------------
Andrew Coutermarsh
a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu
http://cout.dhs.org/
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The average woman would rather have beauty than
brains, because the average man can see better
than he can think.
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 21:56:17 -0800
From: "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@xinu.irv.concentric.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: fatez question........
Message-ID: <20010210215617.A13582@xinu.irv.concentric.net>
On Fri, Feb 09, 2001 at 11:15:21AM -0800, Carlos A. Alfaro wrote:
>
> And that is your opinion :) ...
> IMO, APSOG and disconnected are fates two best albums..because
> they dare to do something different.. IMO inside out/parallels era Fates was
> just plain old boring music with some exciting parts, and older era fates was
Ahh, here we go again, this happened once before and it'll always happen.
You're like that crowd that hangs out on Perpetual Motion, you can't understand
the subtleties of Fates... if the riff doesn't kick you in the ass outright,
you think it's boring.
You're not listening... I've said it before and I'll say it again.
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 23:59:42 -0600
From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: re: fatez
Message-ID: <20010211.000028.-323753.0.kurt.hampton@juno.com>
I like all the stuff with Alder. No exit suffers from the bad production.
Parallels I think is my fave, followed by APSOG and Disconnected.
Alder should win something for Don't Follow Me. Incredible vocals.
I now have a dial up ISP with NO ADS! (getting better)
and I went shoping, I am the wheelman.
Kurtx3 loves his new PC.
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 06:55:15 -0500
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <pellaz@atl.mediaone.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Upcoming US tour: Opeth, Nevermore, Children of Bodom
Message-ID: <3A867DA3.587B@atl.mediaone.net>
Yep, first time ever touring the US for Opeth and CoB. :) Can't
wait. The tentative Atlanta date is May 9th, I'm told by good sources,
although the venue is not yet confirmed. Opeth will also be playing
some mostly-Northeast dates with Shadow's Fall, presumably right after
the Massachusetts Metal-Fest.
Q: What do Mike Portnoy, Opeth's Mikael Akerfeldt and the lead singer
of Shadow's Fall all have in common?
A: They're all big fans of Ozric Tentacles (!)
-- +--- Paul W. Cashman, pellaz@atl.mediaone.net ICQ 4151223 ----+ | Website: http://people.atl.mediaone.net/pellaz/ | | or www.paulcashman.com :) | +---------------------------------------------------------------+------------------------------
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 00:16:37 +1100 From: Nick Storr <nick_storr@bigpond.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: MP3 abuse Message-ID: <200102111324.FAA15228@fugazi.torchsong.com>
> > > > So with a little help of the unique Napster I got some 30 songs so far > > and I must say these guys are great!!! > > You've got 30 mp3's and you still haven't bought any of their albums? > What's up with that? I don't know the whole situation, and I'm not > attacking you personally, but when people abuse mp3's like that, I'm almo= > st > inclined to side with Mr. Ulrich in the mp3 debate.
Nothing necessarily wrong with this... I've been known to downloada couple of tracks, LOVE the stuff and download a further few albums worth just to listen to until I can get to the shop or until a mail order arrives... speshly where I am, nothing much obscure is available unless you mail-order it from interstate / overseas, which can take anything from a few days to a couple of weeks.... It's nice to have something to listen to while you're waiting :)
Nick
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 10:19:42 -0500 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: fatez question........ Message-ID: <3A86AD8E.F7DF7ECB@yunque.net>
"Dr. Mosh" wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 09, 2001 at 11:15:21AM -0800, Carlos A. Alfaro wrote: > > > > And that is your opinion :) ... > > IMO, APSOG and disconnected are fates two best albums..because > > they dare to do something different.. IMO inside out/parallels era Fates was > > just plain old boring music with some exciting parts, and older era fates was > > Ahh, here we go again, this happened once before and it'll always happen. > You're like that crowd that hangs out on Perpetual Motion, you can't understand > the subtleties of Fates... if the riff doesn't kick you in the ass outright, > you think it's boring. > > You're not listening... I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Nope..thats wrong ... i dont need "kick ass" riffs to like something some of my current favorite albums dont have ANY kick ass riffs : Both chromakey discs (no riffs) tiamat's A deeper kind of slumber , Portishead's self titled , anathema's judgement and alternative 4 ... all the while bands like symphonyX and _insert trendy progmetal band here_ dont do *anything* for me... Hell, my favorite parts out of Disconnected and APSOG , and what sets them apart from other prog releases, are the more instrospective, quiet parts...
I was just pointing out to him, that APSOG and Disconnected sound nothing like older fates (not exactly nothing, but barely) and that he couldve been dissapointed if expecting the same type of stuff...
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 09:58:39 -0600 From: "Dark Majesty" <shadow_majesty@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: the rant of partha Message-ID: <F24770rM3TbhyF2fPms00007078@hotmail.com>
>>For me, that was like admitting to all those critics who have been >> >>damning prog music for the last thirty years that, yes, indeed, we are >> >>pretentious arses. > >I think we pretty much are. :)
I fully second that motion! Since when was being pretentious BAD, anyway?
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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 05:35:13 +1100 From: Graham Boyle <gjboyle@optushome.com.au> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: fatez question........ Message-ID: <3A86DB61.8037D1C7@optushome.com.au>
Carlos A. Alfaro wrote:
> Nope..thats wrong ... i dont need "kick ass" riffs to like something > some of my current favorite albums dont have ANY kick ass riffs : Both chromakey > discs (no riffs) > tiamat's A deeper kind of slumber , Portishead's self titled , anathema's judgement > and alternative 4 ... all the while bands like symphonyX and _insert trendy > progmetal band here_ dont do *anything* for me... > Hell, my favorite parts out of Disconnected and APSOG , and what sets them apart > from other prog releases, are the more instrospective, quiet parts...
My question is this, if ChromaKey didn't involve Kevin Moore at all and was Yanni or some Joe Blow, how many of you would listen to this boring drab dull and lifeless elevator music ? Your wrong about Anathema, both albums you mention contain lots of great riffs.
graham
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 14:43:59 -0500 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: fatez question........ Message-ID: <3A86EB7F.F6987976@yunque.net>
Graham Boyle wrote:
> My question is this, if ChromaKey didn't involve Kevin Moore at all and was > Yanni or some Joe Blow, how many of you would listen to this boring drab > dull and lifeless elevator music ? > Your wrong about Anathema, both albums you mention contain lots of great riffs. > > graham
well if i had been able to hear it...i would still love it... because i love the music itself..i dont even associate it with DT ...i find it the total oposite of dull and lifeless... for me , its moody and emotional.. yes its "cold" ...but at least for me it fits my moods most of the times.... about anathema.. i didnt mean it that way, i just thought that Mosh was sort of accusing me of wanting prog-elitism wankery type of metal riffs in my music.. and while judgement and alt4 have catchy moments and riffs, it has nothing in the sense of what mosh was talking about .... --
Carlos A. Alfaro Internet Solutions, Inc P.O. Box 29742 San Juan, PR 00929 Tel(787) 281-6660 Fax (787) 281-7888 =============================== Internet Solutions, Inc. - Offering quality Internet products and services Access- Dedicated and dial-up, ISDN, Web Hosting, E-commerce, Networking
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 11:57:41 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@enchantize.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: fatez question........ Message-ID: <001701c0945c$85f8c8b0$644153d8@washburn>
> My question is this, if ChromaKey didn't involve Kevin Moore at all and was > Yanni or some Joe Blow, how many of you would listen to this boring drab
Hey, I like Yanni, ya hoser! :D
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 14:23:16 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: fatez question........ Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0102111418520.10469-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, Korg Ecksthrey wrote:
> > My question is this, if ChromaKey didn't involve Kevin Moore at all and > > was Yanni or some Joe Blow, how many of you would listen to this > > boring drab > > Hey, I like Yanni, ya hoser! :D
I do too. The thing is this: I LIKE Chromakey's music. I find it to be relaxing and interesting, even though it's not technical at all. You really need to stop limiting yourself to certain types of music. The way that find myself able to like all sorts of music (even mainstream stuff) is because I tell myself that there is ALWAYS something about the music that I can find enjoyable, whether it's the beat, the lyrics, the technicality, the etherealness (as in the case of Mr. Moore), etc.
The only thing about ChromaKey is that if it didn't have Kevin Moore in it and instead had some Joe Blow, then I may not have heard about it, but I would still have liked it. The question is, when it doesn't involve a musician you have heard before and know, how do you hear about new bands to buy them, without any propaganda from the record label?
But I will say this: If it had Yanni in it, I'd DEFINITELY be buying it.
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.dhs.org/ ------------------------------------------------- Once I wept for I had no shoes, and then I met a man who had no feet. So I took his shoes. I mean, it's not like HE needed them, right? -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 11:29:40 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: re: Fatez, Symphony X Message-ID: <20010211192940.22834.qmail@web12104.mail.yahoo.com>
Zartan4@cs.com queried and selected two rows:
> hello fellow jammers, > ...find disconnected. what do you think? is it > similar to APSoG? i love that album,
Similar, but not as good, IMHO.
> finally, i couldnt locate symphx albums. do have > to get them from magna carta or something? i > WANT V really badly, all ive heard is great stuff.
Watch out, you may have been over-hyped. But yes, I would recommend all of the Symphony X discs. They're not on Magna Carta. Your record store should be able to order them for you. You might also try cdnow or amazon. If you happened to be in the San Francisco Bay Area, there's a couple of stores called "Compact Disc Werehouse" that have almost everything in stock (they have a big prog section).
my $.04, BH
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 15:36:46 -0600 From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: You not Me and Stayin Alive... scary Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010211152901.00a8c360@pi-r-squared.com>
So I'm listening to this copy of Stayin Alive sung by Ozzy and Dweezil Zappa (which is scary enough in and of itself) when I notice these lines in the bridge:
"It's alright, it's okay, I'll live to see another day, we can try, to understand... etc" and I think to myself... those lyrics with that melody sound really familiar. It was then that it hit me:
"That's alright I'm okay It happens every single day" It's all the same and I'm not blind"
Not only are the lyrics somewhat similar, but the melodies are almost exactly the same (maybe in a slightly different key). The similarity I think is even more noticable in YOU OR ME.. I always knew there was something I ddin't like about that song ;)
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