YTSEJAM Digest 5729
Today's Topics:
1) RE: YTSEJAM digest 5728
by "The Honorable Ari Goldmann" <agoldman@bates.edu>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5728
by Zartan4@cs.com
3) Re: Disturbed
by Fett2002@aol.com
4) Re: Virus's Suck
by "Dave Neff" <nerf1@erols.com>
5) Re:Kip Winger
by Fett2002@aol.com
6) what tree?
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
7) Re: Avalon
by "James Arin Colberg" <JamesArin@home.com>
8) Music video DVDs / Assorted
by WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu>
9) Linkin Park, Incubus
by "Paul W. Cashman" <pellaz@atl.mediaone.net>
10) I think Im in love...
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
11) Re: Linkin Park, Incubus
by LaxBoy329@aol.com
12) Re: I think Im in love...
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
13) Re: Linkin Park, Incubus
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5728
by d_cuthbert@lineone.net
15) Anton Maiden
by "Kjetil Malkenes Hovland" <malkenes@hotmail.com>
16) Want traffic or customers? Both?
by ipromonet@alpha.pucpr.br
17) Re: Music video DVDs / Assorted
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@enchantize.com>
18) Re: Music video DVDs / Assorted
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
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20) Re: Vanishing Point
by schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:51:16 -0500
From: "The Honorable Ari Goldmann" <agoldman@bates.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 5728
Message-ID: <NDBBIKGKKLCGJMPIJKOKMEJNCDAA.agoldman@bates.edu>
Yeah! Personally, I'd say get S.C.I.E.N.C.E first, because I think it's the
more diverse, experimental, and progressive album, but they're both great.
(hmm...your post also sounds a lot like a post of mine a few weeks ago...)
Ari
>Then, of course, is your consummate bright spot in today's more popular
>mainstream stuff. That being Incubus. Without a doubt one of the better
>bands to come into the mix over the past few years. Definitely pick up
>"Make Yourself", then scrounge some cash up for "S.C.I.E.N.C.E.".....
>there, my semi-yearly Incubus plug. :
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:11:42 EST
From: Zartan4@cs.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5728
Message-ID: <9b.f3ef229.278bbf4e@cs.com>
In a message dated 1/8/01 6:30:40 PM Central Standard Time,
ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< It 's a love afair...
> -----Original Message-----
>From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
>To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
>Subject: RE: Korg Ecksthrey philosophy
>
>
>Exactly right. Jesus built my hotrod.
>>
remember the video for this song? there was that guy who said, "drag racing
drag racing!" and it wasnt on the song on the album. correct me if i am wrong
about this. thats just the way i recall it when my older brother had me watch
it. that and gibby haines swinging his mic around and wrapping it around the
guitar.
jon
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:12:02 EST
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Disturbed
Message-ID: <62.acadb6f.278bbf62@aol.com>
Dr Mosh:
>underrated?? What's so special about distrubed?? Nothing... they just
>take guitar riffs, give it a 90's edge and call themselves disturbed...
>That's like calling Korn innovative.
>If you want to listen to good 90's pseudo-metal shit, listen to Linkin
>Park...
Well, Linkin Park is pretty much just a Korn wannabe. You may not like Korn
but they were pretty innovative when they first came out. As for Disturbed, I
agree with you there. They seem ok to me, but not innovative. Plus, their
lyrics seem to pretyy substandard.
> I'd rather listen to Godsmack then Disturbed. >>
-Mike C.
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:33:31 -0500
From: "Dave Neff" <nerf1@erols.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Virus's Suck
Message-ID: <000801c079dc$2d62f580$a2dbfea9@oemcomputer>
> Virus's suck
> Friggin Norton 2001 didn't detect anything
If you got the W95.MTX virus you probably are screwed.
Here are some known names for the W95.MTX virus:
> I_wanna_see_you.txt.pif
> Matrix_screen_saver.scr
> Love_letter_for_you.txt.pif
> New_playboy_screen_saver.scr
> Bill_gates_piece.jpg.pif
> Tiazinha.jpg.pif
> Feiticeira_nua.jpg.pif
> Geocities_free_sites.txt.pif
> New_napster_site.txt.pif
> Metallica_song.mp3.pif
> Anti_cih.exe
> Internet_security_forum.doc.pif
> Alanis_screen_saver.scr
> Reader_digest_letter.txt.pif
> Win_$100_now.doc.pif
> Is_linux_good_enough!.txt.pif
> Qi_test.exe
> Avp_updates.exe
> Seicho_no_ie.exe
> You_are_fat!.txt.pif
> Free_xxx_sites.txt.pif
> I_am_sorry.doc.pif
> Me_nude.avi.pif
> Sorry_about_yesterday.doc.pif
> Protect_your_credit.html.pif
> Jimi_hendrix.mp3.pif
> Hanson.scr
> F___ing_with_dogs.scr
> Matrix_2_is_out.scr
> Zipped_files.exe
> Blink_182.mp3.pif
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:15:47 EST
From: Fett2002@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re:Kip Winger
Message-ID: <b0.ebbec9c.278bc043@aol.com>
Graham Boyle:
<< > << Kip Winger -=<<Songs from the Ocean floor >>
>
>> They should probably stay there!
>You shouldn't knock what you don't know anything about,
Very true.
>it's a killer album, nothing like the Winger stuff.
>Atmospheric, dark, moody and great songs.
I was just messing around, Graham. I couldn't resist.
>If your into something that's not heavy, check it out. >>
Any mp3s of it you would suggest checking out?
-Mike Caruso
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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 03:48:42
From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: what tree?
Message-ID: <F35lpZyWRamabXpbSgH00011e94@hotmail.com>
just kidding.....kind of.....haven't exactly read this thing
in....ummmm.....ages......
anyway, I never did do a top 5 of last year, and although you don't care, I
wanted to toss my (mostly mainstream (for this list, anyway)) list into the
hat/ring.
1) Porcupine Tree - Lightbulb sun 2) Iron Maiden - Brave New World
3) Cradle of Filth - Midian 4) Echolyn - Cowboy Poems Free 5) Speedbumps -
Crayon Box (might have been a 1999 issue)
Yeah, I know I left out tons of good stuff, and that's probably because I
didn't pick up on all that much this year, or perhaps because I didn't think
Spock's Beard's "V" advanced that band's catalogue in any particularly great
way, or because I never did pick up the new King's X. Whatever.
As for what made the list, I didn't even realize my #1 album was even
released until December, so you can imagine what kind of impact it's had to
jump straight up to the top. Porcupine Tree is definitely moving up my
personal fave bands chart.
In terms of #3, I never really thought it possible that I'd really enjoy a
black metal disc, but I guess exceptions are made for every rule. (Just
curious, what category does Saviour Machine fall into?)
And if #5 is a 1999 release, I'd probably make the Construkction of Light my
#5 disc.
but, like I said, whatever.
Master P
(reference to recently completed MS degree, rather than any newfound
appreciation for rap music.) :)
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 01:25:10 -0500
From: "James Arin Colberg" <JamesArin@home.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Avalon
Message-ID: <01b501c07a04$ec553980$56ad0241@jamesarin>
Has anyone taken you up on this offer? If not I'd like to take it off your
hands.
Thanks,
Jim
I have seen this face a thousand times every morning of my life
But I never saw these eyes so clear free of doubt and pain
Like the whole world has been made again
And it's all because you made me see what is false and what is true
Like the inside and the outside of me is being made again by you
Marillion 'Made Again'
----- Original Message -----
]From: "Graham Boyle" <gjboyle@optushome.com.au>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: Avalon
>
> Bobby Tufino wrote:
>
> > Hey jammers...I recently heard an album called "Eurasia" by the band
> > Avalon, and I really like it...I was wondering if any other jammers have
> > gotten into it, and also if any jammers have heard their older stuff,
> > I'm trying to decide whether or not to buy it. Later...
>
> Yup I have it and frankly it bores me, nothing exciting or original or any
> memorable songs.
>
> One of the disappointments of last year, so if anyone wants it, it's in
mint condition
> no scratches on the CD, booklet is in perfect condition.
> $10 US airmail postage paid anywhere in the world.
>
> graham
>
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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 02:31:24 -0500
From: WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Music video DVDs / Assorted
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010108234104.00acc5e0@cs.millersville.edu>
Just got King Crimson's "Deja VROOOM" DVD today -- what a cool piece of
work. The source video itself is not the greatest quality (the problem
with recording a real live concert), but the sound's outstanding, and the
special features... Tons of multiple camera angles (one song has a full 7
different angles, each with a separate audio track featuring the
instrumentalist you're looking at more prominently in the mix), a bunch of
random videocamera footage/articles from Robert Fripp, and a program where
you can select rhythm sections, vocalists, and soloists from 1969, 1971,
1974, and 1996 to combine into one audio-track rendition of "21st Century
Schizoid Man."
I'm new to the DVD scene. Anyone have any prog/metal DVD
recommendations? I'm looking in particular for 'interactive'-type discs.
Partha wrote:
>(Just curious, what category does Saviour Machine fall into?)
Probably your closest bet'd be "goth-metal". Not an exact fit, by any
means, but the sound is very gloomy with low-register semi-operatic vocals,
so it has that much going for its categorization. Tough to pidgeonhole a
band like Saviour Machine, though.
Dr. Mosh:
>I'd rather listen to Godsmack then Disturbed.
Man, that's like saying you'd rather get shot in the foot instead of shot
in the leg!
Brian
[NP...Saviour Machine -- Legend, Part I]
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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 02:32:24 -0500
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <pellaz@atl.mediaone.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Linkin Park, Incubus
Message-ID: <3A5ABE88.773F@atl.mediaone.net>
> Linkin Park, however, definitely is one of the brighter spots in
> "mainstream"-ish music that gets decent airplay. I would definitely
> recommend it if you like a good mix of in your face riffs with the
> rap, scratching, electronic thing. Hybrid Theory is a good pick-up > indeed.
Heard a live radio interview with them here in town -- seemed like they
had a good attitude and they're pretty young, too. I like what I've
heard from the CD.
> Then, of course, is your consummate bright spot in today's more
> popular mainstream stuff. That being Incubus. Without a doubt
> one of the better bands to come into the mix over the past few years. > Definitely pick up "Make Yourself", then scrounge some cash up for > "S.C.I.E.N.C.E.".....
>
> there, my semi-yearly Incubus plug. :)
Couldn't agree more. Bernd Basmer of Superior got me started on this
band a few years back (yea, sometimes you have to have people from
places like Germany to clue you in on good music!) and they're one of
the best "mainstream" bands I've discovered in years. Diverse playing
styles, excellent vox, very tight live. Any band where the lead singer
also plays the didjeridoo and the djembe is pretty cool in my book. :)
I saw them open for Primus here, and they had a deal where, if you
bought a CD at the front of the venue it entitled you to attend a
meet'n'greet after Primus' show where you'd get them autographed. I
replaced the copy of MAKE YOURSELF that I'd brought over to Progpower
for Bernd and the lady said, based on ticket sales and prior experience
on the tour, they weren't expecting more than 50-60 people to buy a CD
for the meet'n'greet. (This was before the show started.) "Cool," I
thought.
Incubus reallly rocked the house, with a well-received show that
surprised a lot of Primus' fans....and so there were about 150 fans at
the meet'n'greet. (!) Pretty amazing, for a show that sold about 1300
tickets; over one-tenth of the audience bought Incubus CDs.
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 01:27:01 -0600 From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: I think Im in love... Message-ID: <20010109.013641.-20335.1.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
with the lead singer of "the Coors"
Not a bad pop song either.
Kurtx3is looking foward to having the puter back soon.
ytsekurt on AOL instant messenger Trade page-www.geocities.com/kurt_labrie/Startpage.html "So do me a favor...f*ck off"-James Labrie 11-18-94 Houston "Shut the f*ck up. Ill come down there and kick yer f*ckin ass" -James Labrie 4/16/97 Holland
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 02:50:31 EST From: LaxBoy329@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Linkin Park, Incubus Message-ID: <6e.6b19781.278c1cc7@aol.com>
In a message dated 1/9/01 2:37:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, pellaz@atl.mediaone.net writes:
<< > Linkin Park, however, definitely is one of the brighter spots in > "mainstream"-ish music that gets decent airplay. I would definitely > recommend it if you like a good mix of in your face riffs with the > rap, scratching, electronic thing. Hybrid Theory is a good pick-up > indeed. Heard a live radio interview with them here in town -- seemed like they had a good attitude and they're pretty young, too. I like what I've heard from the CD. >>
I love dreamtheater, rush , strato , VP.... but in my opinion linkin park is prolly one of my favorite bands right now. I think IMHO they are very much original and nothing at all like limp bizkit and ommmm ::::cough::: Korn:::: cough:::: a member of the jam mentioned that they were korn wannabees. Just curious if that persons heard any of hybrid theory.. These guys are great period..... Ive never heard of a band having such a varied appeal to people in general. I mean if u take a look at that album they put out it has such a varied selection of songs :) i love it..
Oh on a side note picked up the perfect element....by POS thanks for the recommend
Andrew "back to silent mode"
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 00:25:56 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: I think Im in love... Message-ID: <200101090825.AAA20667@gms.gmsnet.com>
That would be Andrea Corr :)
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., Kurt M Hampton thus begged: > >with the lead singer of "the Coors" > >Not a bad pop song either. > >Kurtx3is looking foward to having the puter back soon. > >ytsekurt on AOL instant messenger >Trade page-www.geocities.com/kurt_labrie/Startpage.html >"So do me a favor...f*ck off"-James Labrie 11-18-94 Houston >"Shut the f*ck up. Ill come down there and kick yer f*ckin ass" >-James Labrie 4/16/97 Holland > >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 00:33:48 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Linkin Park, Incubus Message-ID: <200101090833.AAA20795@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., LaxBoy329@aol.com thus begged: > >In a message dated 1/9/01 2:37:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, >pellaz@atl.mediaone.net writes: > ><< > Linkin Park, however, definitely is one of the brighter spots in > > "mainstream"-ish music that gets decent airplay. I would definitely > > recommend it if you like a good mix of in your face riffs with the > > rap, scratching, electronic thing. Hybrid Theory is a good pick-up > >indeed. > > Heard a live radio interview with them here in town -- seemed like they > had a good attitude and they're pretty young, too. I like what I've > heard from the CD. >> > >I love dreamtheater, rush , strato , VP.... but in my opinion linkin park is >prolly one of my favorite bands right now. I think IMHO they are very much >original and nothing at all like limp bizkit and ommmm ::::cough::: Korn:::: >cough:::: a member of the jam mentioned that they were korn wannabees. Just
Regarding Linkin Park: I would have to say on the surface, they may sound like a Korn wannabe, but they surpass Korn in every aspect if you hear the other songs on the album.
Someone kill Fred Durst, he's killing Limp, god he fucking sucks balls, he's the Lars Ulrich of that band, he's murdering the shit.
Matt Guillory told me about Incubus a long time ago, and I thought he was nuts, but after listening to them quite a bit, I'd have to say they are quite the musical band.
As far as the hard 90's scene goes... I'd still have to say Fear Factory, Meshuggah, Devin Townsend and Infinity, still rule the scene. New Fear Factory out in April called DIGIMORTAL, should be a killer one.
Regarding the new Kip Winger: Good stuff, nice use of detuned and 7-string stuff.
-The Doc
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 09:46:14 GMT From: d_cuthbert@lineone.net To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5728 Message-ID: <200101090946.JAA00441@scooby.lineone.net>
Don't have much to say usually but I thought I would send this, some results of the 2000 Rhythm readers awards, I've only listed the ones which include MP.
Best drummer:
1. Vinnie Colaiuta 2. Steve White 3. Dennis Chambers 9. Mike Portnoy
Best Rock Drummer:
1. Taylor Hawkins 2. lars Ulrich 3. Mike Portnoy 4. David Silveria
Best Live Performer:
1. Steve White 2. Chad Smith 3. Billy Cobham 10. Mike Portnoy
Dave
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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 15:33:03 From: "Kjetil Malkenes Hovland" <malkenes@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Anton Maiden Message-ID: <LAW-F65mzeyNtqMk7Li00000732@hotmail.com>
This Anton Maiden dude was a big anti-hero a few years ago. Both the press and swedish tv was all excited because this skinny teenage nerd with thick glasses had made a bunch of totally unbelievable midi-singalong versions of maiden hits like "the number of the beast" and "the trooper". Lunacy Records even published his CD late 1999.
Found some funny comments in his guest book (had to translate some of them from swedish):
- God damn royal! For a long time we have believed that there are people out there who top everything we have seen before. Now we are waiting for Anton/DC with a version of the classic Thunderstruck.
- Stop desecrating Maiden, you miscreant!
- I love you Anton. You are so sexy that when i look at your eyes I get an erection, because I am a shemale. I'm gonna come to see you dressed in (some kind of plastic) and pink Maxi-panties.
- Hi. You such so fucking much that you give me an ulcer. The Swedish people laugh at you. You are a big pathetic joke for people with no humour. Iron Maiden sucks but you make them even worse. I puke gall on you and your family. You got the voice of Michael Bolton. Your homepage is CP-bad. Almost as bad as your nose. You suck pig-balls. Hope you get a brain tumor and die. Besides, your mum is really fat, ugly as hell and smells like cheese sandwich. I like you as much as a pimple in my butt. I also believe you are a moderate.
This is great. His music isn't, but it's quite funny the first time you listen to it. A guy who makes people react like this, must have hit a nerve. At least he's got a nerve.
>Bruce sucks, bring on Anton! WOOOOOOHOOOOOOOO
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 08:52:39 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@enchantize.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Music video DVDs / Assorted Message-ID: <002301c07a54$7c1052e0$0301010a@chuck>
> >(Just curious, what category does Saviour Machine fall into?)
I've always considered Saviour Machine to be the perfect cross between The Cure and Type O Negative. :) I dunno. That's just how I hear 'em. -- KorgX3 is speaking of The Cure's "Disintegration" album, anyway.
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:04:21 -0800 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Music video DVDs / Assorted Message-ID: <200101091804.KAA28128@gms.gmsnet.com>
GothMetal
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., "Korg Ecksthrey" thus begged: > >> >(Just curious, what category does Saviour Machine fall into?) > >I've always considered Saviour Machine to be the perfect cross between The >Cure and Type O Negative. :) I dunno. That's just how I hear 'em. >-- >KorgX3 is speaking of The Cure's "Disintegration" album, anyway.
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 18:19:50 -0500 (EST) From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Vanishing Point Message-ID: <m14G83S-000IR1C@mail.interzone.com>
> >> Has anyone heard Vanishing Point-Tangled in Dream cd? >> It's decent Australian melodic metal with some prog tendencies, but the >> thing that stands out is the most Space-Dye Vest inspired/rip-off/clone >> song called Dancing with the Devil. It's a keyboard/vocal track >> with tv/movie samples just like SDV. They also cover Floyd's >> On the Turning Away. >> >> Not a bad cd, but not as prog as they would like you to think. > >Although not strictly a "prog" band, they do have alot of progressive >elements in their style. Their first release from a couple of years ago, "In >Thought" was pretty good also. A band to watch in the future definately! >
Does anyone have a link to some samples of Vanishing Point's music? Thanks.
Steve
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