YTSEJAM Digest 5743
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5742
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
2) Fwd: Virus Alert: ""Melissa-X"" Virus
by Jogobass <jogobass@hetnet.nl>
3) Re: vanishing points-little DTC
by "HJ Rivera" <hrivera@crp.org>
4) Saviour Machine
by "Dale Newberry" <fat_tire@hotmail.com>
5) Re: Saviour Machine
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@enchantize.com>
6) Re: Audio experts: (especially Denon experts)
by Ryan Veety <ryan@ryanspc.com>
7) Re: DT Samples Legal Issues
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
8) ADV: High Search Engine Placement
by mb9292@asean-mail.com
9) Re: Audio experts: (especially Denon experts)
by Jay Omega <jomega@legarto.minn.net>
10) Re: Audio experts: (especially bose experts)
by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mauricio_Mart=EDnez?= <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
11) NAMM
by "Andre Navarro" <gan_andre@hotmail.com>
12) Re: Audio experts: (especially bose experts)
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu>
13) Re: NAMM
by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mauricio_Mart=EDnez?= <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 07:09:14 -0600
From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5742
Message-ID: <20010122.070946.-23901.3.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
Alice in Chains live-
Its a collection of various stuff throughout the years ala the GNR live
album. Its pretty good, they kick ass live.
TA live-sounds cool I can't wait for the boots of this to start going
around.
I wonder if thats the cover song they recorded in nashville?
Kurt
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:08:19 +0100
From: Jogobass <jogobass@hetnet.nl>
To: Jorrit Godeke <jogobass@hetnet.nl>
Subject: Fwd: Virus Alert: ""Melissa-X"" Virus
Message-ID: <1371712453.20010122170819@hetnet.nl>
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:29:55 -0500
From: "HJ Rivera" <hrivera@crp.org>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: vanishing points-little DTC
Message-ID: <01de01c08498$ef7bd760$efe1f240@crp.org>
Trevor said:
> Not a bad cd, but not as prog as they would like you to think.
Who cares how much it weighs on the prog scale? Just because they don't
change tempos 520 times per song doesn't mean it's not a good "prog" album.
A good album is a good album and Tangled in Dreams has become one of my most
played CDs in recent history (bought from CDNow after downloading a few
songs off Napster, for those keeping track :))
On the other hand, PoS - who are as prog as prog can be - bores me to tears.
joe
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:48:36 -0600
From: "Dale Newberry" <fat_tire@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Saviour Machine
Message-ID: <F16sJ3Ih7jtrSByh13300001305@hotmail.com>
<html><DIV>Man, I just about crapped my pants yesterday. I found out that yes, Saviour Machine is supposed to play the Cornerstone Festival in Bushnell, IL this summer. FOr those not familiar with the event, it is a huge ass Christian music/arts festival. I recommend it for anyone interested in seeing some good music they might not otherwise hear, though. According to the brochure I have for the event, they're supposed to play a three hour set presenting the entire Legend trilogy :).</DIV>
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:00:41 -0700
> According to the brochure I have for the event, they're supposed to
Bad Dale! Bad HTML! :)
Good news! Good Dale!
I would think that the Legend trilogy would be longer than 3 hours, tho,
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:30:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Ryan Veety <ryan@ryanspc.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Audio experts: (especially Denon experts)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0101221303120.29237-100000@RyansPC.com>
The only way to buy audio equipment is to go to the store and listen to
everything and pick the one that sounds the best to you. But good info
always helps the selection.
On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Joe DeAngelo wrote:
>
> Stats-wise, I'm too dense to really know what the hell they're talking
> about. I see that surprisingly the cheaper 'Specialty' stuff has pretty
> beefy wattage-numbers compared to the slighty more expensive 'Home' line
> stuff (for example the AVR 981 which retails at around $799 lists the
> wattage as 135 X 5, whereas the AVR 3300 which retails at $899 or $999 lists
> the wattage as 105 X 5). That alone kinda confuses me! ;)
>
Wattage means absolutely nothing. 50W is more than enough to blow your
brains out if done properly. Take a look at the specs such as SNR (signal
to noise ratio) a number over 100 is good. Look at the THD (total
harmonic distortion) which should be as small as possible. If the company
if nice enough to print the IMD (inter-modulation distortion) you are
lucky and that number should be small as well. If they don't print these
numbers they are hiding something from you and the product is probably not
so good. Remember that in most consumer models they try to cheat you by
saying that its 800W or some nonsense. That means on some planet, for a
fraction of a second, 800W can be pushed with no reliability of quality.
They will also many times post the PEAK output, which is not the true
output. You always want your ratings measured in RMS (root mean square).
Also try to find out if the specs (THD, SNR, IMD) are measured at full
rated output. Some manufaturers will measure them at 1 watt and claim
excelent specs while in reality they suck.
> One thing I noticed that was different (not sure if it's important or not
> though...) is that the 'Home Audio' ones list that power as being into "8
> ohms", whereas the cheaper 'Specialty' models list the wattage "into 6
> ohms". What the heck does that mean? Is 8 ohms better?
>
An ohm is a measurement of resistance. Normal home speakers are generally
8 ohms. The less resistance in the speaker the more current will flow
through and the louder it will play. Normally a amplifier manufacturer
will post wattage ratings based on a 8 ohm load and its up to the buyer to
figure out what the wattage will be for their speakers. For example, if
the amp says it pushes 100W into 8 ohms, it will push 200W into 4 ohms.
This probably won't matter in your case if you have normal 8 ohm speakers.
> I definitely want somethhing that has Dolby Digital 5.1 and also DTS, and
> I'm probably looking at one of the mid-priced models (leaning towards the
> 3300 I think, or the 2801, or possibly the 981). I've seen the 3300 (on
> the internet) for around $660 or so, which seems pretty reasonable, and I
> could also buy the 981 at a local store for $515 (I have a friend who works
> there).
>
DD and DTS kick major ass. Movies in my house sound far better than they
do in most theaters. Definatly get a reciever with both.
If you are interested, I am using the Sony DB-930 receiver (the DB line is
made from the ES line's parts put into the DE line's chasis at a mid range
price) connected to the Energy Take 5 home theater speakers, which totally
rule. Don't blow all your money on a good amp unless you have good
speakers to play it on. I suggest you read around on www.audioreview.com
about different model receivers. There are hundreds of models and
thousands of reviews by regular people and audio professionals. Then go
to a mid/high end audio store and listen to everything. Circuit city or
best buy don't count! You can generally find better equipment at lower
prices elsewhere.
Later
Ryan
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Date: 22 Jan 2001 19:58:16 +0000
From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: DT Samples Legal Issues
Message-ID: <86elxvqrzb.fsf@picsel.com>
Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu> writes:
> Well, I would assume that movie quotes (up to a certain length) fall
> under the same aspect as a musical quote: It's okay to quote a small
> piece of it, as long as it doesn't exceed a certain length. I don't
> know if fair use really applies to movie clips, though.
I also wondered if the video clips they have been showing during the
intermission at their recent live shows have been used with proper
permission and royalty payments, etc.
They showed really long excerpts from the South Park film and Dead
Poets' Society...
--
Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd
graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:26:43 -0600 (CST)
From: Jay Omega <jomega@legarto.minn.net>
To: Just Words <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Audio experts: (especially Denon experts)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0101221719290.9099-100000@legarto.minn.net>
On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Ryan Veety wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Joe DeAngelo wrote:
> The only way to buy audio equipment is to go to the store and listen to
> everything and pick the one that sounds the best to you. But good info
> always helps the selection.
This is the key bit of advice in this message.
The second most important bit of advice on this subject is to pick
-speakers- first. The differences between the sound of various speakers
will completely swamp the differences between amps or processors or CD/DVD
players.
The third most important bit is to avoid Bose. :-) Get these three
right, and you'll do OK.
> Wattage means absolutely nothing. 50W is more than enough to blow your
> brains out if done properly.
Basically, 'watts' is half the equation. You also need to know the
sensitivity of the speaker; usually given in "dB/W/m"; that is, the
sound level in decibels they produce 1 meter (~3 feet) away when fed
with one watt. It scales up like this: for every +3 dB, you need to
double the wattage of the amp. For every +10 dB, you need ten times
as much power. Also note that having more speakers does the same
thing; having 2 front speakers makes twice as much sound, which is
worth +3dB.
So, if you want 120dB (enough to deafen you very quickly; don't do
this :-), and your speakers are 91dB/W/m efficient, you need:
91dB 1W with one speaker
94dB 1W with both speakers :)
97dB 2W
100dB 4W
110dB 40W
120dB 400W
> Take a look at the specs such as SNR (signal to noise ratio) a number
> over 100 is good. Look at the THD (total harmonic distortion) which
> should be as small as possible. If the company if nice enough to print
> the IMD (inter-modulation distortion) you are lucky and that number
> should be small as well. If they don't print these numbers they are
> hiding something from you and the product is probably not so good.
Yup. Also note that the "damping factor" is a social-science
number; the amplifier's damping has f*ck-all to do with the
performance of the system. (Unless you're looking at some very
questionable tube-driven gear, driving some very weird speakers,
maybe.)
> Remember that in most consumer models they try to cheat you by
> saying that its 800W or some nonsense. That means on some planet, for
> a fraction of a second, 800W can be pushed with no reliability of
> quality.
This is often listed as "PMPO": Peak Music Power Output. Again,
a social-science number. Run away. Run far away. Buy another
brand name entirely if you see this. :-)
> They will also many times post the PEAK output, which is not the true
> output. You always want your ratings measured in RMS (root mean
> square).
If they do list peak, divide by 1.414 to get RMS. Though, again,
if they're listing peak, they're just doctoring the numbers and
probably are hiding other things as well.
> Also try to find out if the specs (THD, SNR, IMD) are measured at full
> rated output. Some manufaturers will measure them at 1 watt and claim
> excelent specs while in reality they suck.
True. They can still be worthwhile even if they are measured at low
output, of course. Listening is the only way to tell.
> > One thing I noticed that was different (not sure if it's important or
> > not though...) is that the 'Home Audio' ones list that power as being
> > into "8 ohms", whereas the cheaper 'Specialty' models list the wattage
> > "into 6 ohms". What the heck does that mean? Is 8 ohms better?
>
> An ohm is a measurement of resistance. Normal home speakers are
> generally 8 ohms. The less resistance in the speaker the more current
> will flow through and the louder it will play. Normally a amplifier
> manufacturer will post wattage ratings based on a 8 ohm load and its up
> to the buyer to figure out what the wattage will be for their speakers.
> For example, if the amp says it pushes 100W into 8 ohms, it will push
> 200W into 4 ohms.
A good amp will do this. A poor amp won't. Amplifiers that have low-ohm
speaker capability usually advertise themselves as such, possibly using
a term like "High Current Amplifier", or rating power into a lower-ohm
speaker (like your 6 ohm amp, above).
> This probably won't matter in your case if you have normal 8 ohm
> speakers.
Speaker impedances vary wildly, though. Mine are "nominal 8 ohms", but
they dip to 2.5 ohms at one freqency in the bass region. This means I
need a pretty beefy amp. At the very worst, give the amp the "lift test".
Heavy amps are heavy because they have big capacitors, big transformers,
and big heat sinks, all necessary for driving large amounts of current.
> Don't blow all your money on a good amp unless you have good
> speakers to play it on.
Yup. The standard rule of thumb (for 2-channel stereo equipment) is
half your $$$ on speakers, half on everything else. My split is more
like 80% speakers, 20% ancillary equipment right now, but I'll update
the electronics eventually. It'll never get to half-and-half though;
maybe 2-to-1 by the time I've got the full DVD/surround system built.
Also, don't fall for the wire gag. Low-end Monster interconnects
and Home Depot 12-gauge 'zip cord' is just as good sounding as the
high-priced stuff. I actually have Radio Shack 'gold' interconnects
for half of my stuff. If you've got a $50,000 system, and you're a
pre-teen female, you might hear the difference between 12-gauge zip
cord and hundred-dollar cables. Otherwise, save the money and buy
a few more CDs/DVDs. :-)
> I suggest you read around on www.audioreview.com
> about different model receivers.
Usenet is a decent place to look, as well. rec.audio.* newsgroups
(except rec.audio.opinion, which is a constant flamewar) have much
more knowledge on the subjects than you'll find on the 'Jam. I'm
an electrical engineer, but I do chips. There, you can find EEs that
actually work in audio. :-)
> Then go to a mid/high end audio store and listen to everything.
> Circuit city or best buy don't count!
Can I get an "amen, brother"? Audio King at least. Look to see
if the store is selling "high-end" type equipment; B&W, Paradigm,
Paragon, Rotel, Bryston, Adcom, Arcam, etc. (My system is B&W/Rotel.)
> You can generally find better equipment at lower
> prices elsewhere.
--Jay "posting about audio stuff... again" Omega
--NP: DJGeorge on http://www.ytseradio.com
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:16:03 -0600
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mauricio_Mart=EDnez?= <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Audio experts: (especially bose experts)
Message-ID: <008401c084da$0e3d28c0$16a8f094@ernie>
>
> The third most important bit is to avoid Bose. :-) Get these three
> right, and you'll do OK.
>
i dont get this......i dont own a bose system, but i heard one, and sounded
pretty good to my ears. anybody can explain me why bose is often trashed
here?
Mauricio
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:17:35 -0400
From: "Andre Navarro" <gan_andre@hotmail.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: NAMM
Message-ID: <OE7WcAliS0y0IESwa1S000004e3@hotmail.com>
Dumb question here. What does NAMM stand for?
------------------------------------------------------------------
Andre Navarro
"Hoooowdy hooo!" -Mr. Hanky
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:23:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Audio experts: (especially bose experts)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0101222220350.12107-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, [iso-8859-1] Mauricio Mart=EDnez wrote:
> > The third most important bit is to avoid Bose. :-) Get these three
> > right, and you'll do OK.
>=20
> i dont get this......i dont own a bose system, but i heard one, and
> sounded pretty good to my ears. anybody can explain me why bose is
> often trashed here?
The thing is that most people who don't own high-end systems can't hear
the difference between Bose and anything higher-end because you haven't
actually HEARD higher-end stuff.
Let's put it this way: Bose manages to get decent sound out of their
system by adding a subwoofer. Without the subwoofer all you hear is high
frequencies and upper-middle frequencies. It is physically IMPOSSIBLE to
get decent frequency response in such a small cube. If you were to listen
to a high fidelity system and then listen immediately afterward to a Bose
system, you would hear an enormous difference.
Also, Bose charges incredibly high amounts of money for their systems. =20
With the same amount of money, you could buy a MUCH higher quality system
without the name-brand oomph that Bose carries.
-------------------------------------------------
Andrew Coutermarsh
a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu
http://cout.dhs.org/
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Procrastinators UNITE... tomorrow.
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 21:31:44 -0600
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mauricio_Mart=EDnez?= <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: NAMM
Message-ID: <00f101c084ed$08f0faa0$16a8f094@ernie>
National Association of Music Merchants.
Mauricio
----- Original Message -----
]From: "Andre Navarro" <gan_andre@hotmail.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 9:30 PM
Subject: NAMM
>
> Dumb question here. What does NAMM stand for?
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Andre Navarro
> "Hoooowdy hooo!" -Mr. Hanky
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From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@enchantize.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Saviour Machine
Message-ID: <000f01c0849e$dfd96740$0301010a@chuck>
> play a three hour set presenting the entire Legend trilogy :)
considering Legend, Pt 3 is supposed to be a double album. Either way, who
could complain about 3 hours of Saviour Machine live? :) I wish I could.
No chance to see them around these parts, most likely.
--
KorgX3 picks his nose and discreetly wipes it under the Ytsejam.