YTSEJAM Digest 5852
Today's Topics:
1) Alarm Bells a Ringin'!!
by "Paul Tadday" <dreamryche@bigpond.com>
2) Re: Bela Fleck and the Flecktones
by "Zalozba Izolit" <izolit@siol.net>
3) Avantasia - The Metal Opera
by Paul Ninnis <PaulN@TimeAndPeople.com.au>
4) RE: LATERALUS!!!!
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
5) flecktones/some time to kill
by "Matthew Tedesco" <Matthew.Tedesco@colorado.edu>
6) RE: Awake, Animal, Sleeeep
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
7) Re: Awake, Animal, Sleeeep
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
8) Flecktones Recommendations
by Adam Ensinger <aensinger@sigecom.net>
9) RE: Awake, Animal, Sleeeep
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
10) Flecktones
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
11) Re: Awake, Animal, Sleeeep
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
12) Last year for DTIFC CD? :(
by Craig Maloney <craig@ic.net>
13) Flecktones
by "Dale Newberry" <fat_tire@hotmail.com>
14) Re: Avantasia - The Metal Opera
by Jay Omega <jomega@legarto.minn.net>
15) Christmas CDs and Top 5 Albums
by "Dark Majesty" <shadow_majesty@hotmail.com>
16) re: Awake, Animal, Sleeeep
by "Metzger, Mark" <Mark.Metzger@comverse.com>
17) European jammers question!
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
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Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:12:41 +1000
From: "Paul Tadday" <dreamryche@bigpond.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Alarm Bells a Ringin'!!
Message-ID: <001901c0dc3c$e4306820$d73736cb@PaulTadday>
Absolutely!!!
This little bewdy caught me out the very first time I listened to it.
I had bought the cd that day but hadn't found the time to sit down and
listen to it.
As like any other night I went to bed and slipped my headphones on, normally
I drift off to sleep within the first 4 songs and subconsciously slip my
headphones off when I'm almost in REM sleep! *L*
I was determined to listen to all of APSoG and so forced my self to remain
in a semi-conscious state until the end of the cd and fell heavily asleep
after the last note.
I certainly copped a rather rude awakening when the alarm clock kicked in
some minutes later!!
It was the same story the first time Phantom Of The Opera on Maiden's first
album.
Paul.
N.P: "Lateralus" - Tool
(love this disc!)
----- Original Message -----
]From: Paul Ninnis <PaulN@TimeAndPeople.com.au>
> If you want an album to wake up to at the end, try the studio version
> of Fates Warning - A Pleasant Shade of Gray
>
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Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 08:38:07 +0200
From: "Zalozba Izolit" <izolit@siol.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Bela Fleck and the Flecktones
Message-ID: <000f01c0dc40$703c6dc0$0600005a@si.arnes.si>
I'd get either Live Art or Left Of Cool...
You can't go wrong with either of these...
And while you'r at it, check Spyrogyra
too, their Road Scholars is unreal :)
Best,
Matej
>>
Hello people! Could you please give me some opinions
as to which BFATF album should I buy first? I've been
listening to Victor Wooten lately and that guy is
simply amazing, and I'm very interested in getting
some more stuff with him playing, especially in the
flecktones. Thank you very much for your input.
Alexis
<<
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Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:11:56 +0930
From: Paul Ninnis <PaulN@TimeAndPeople.com.au>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Avantasia - The Metal Opera
Message-ID: <61BA286C6C56D11187B50000E83A13CB31DEFD@EDDIE>
> "Radix" <radix.rascalia@astra-honda.com> writes:
>
> halo guys,
> could somebody give me a review about Tobias sammet avantasia? is it
more to
> helloween type, maiden, manowar, or royal hunt?
Well, how do you explain it... let's start with the title "The Metal
Opera"...
that's a pretty good description... a little of the helloween influence
in
a few songs, but not overall I would say.
I think because there's so many good musicians and vocalists on the
album that
there's not really any particular influence, even though the themes pass
through
the entire album.
some choral stuff, some pipes, lots of guitars, quite ethereal in
parts...
well balanced overall.
I guess what I'm saying is I really like it, and you should definately
buy it.
The only downer I find is a few of the lines, when spoken rather than
sung
sound way too cheesy.
Opinions may vary.
NP: Megadeth - The World Needs A Hero :-)
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Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 09:06:52 -0500
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: LATERALUS!!!!
Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A04B33D41@ISDCRE00>
Is it progressive metal? Is it just metal ? Let me know !
JM
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Tadday [SMTP:dreamryche@bigpond.com]
> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 6:39 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: LATERALUS!!!! *semi spoiler*
>
>
> I just picked up a copy of Lateralus today...
> What can I say???
> FUCKING AWESOME!!!!!!!!
> The cover art really sets the tone!
> It is the most amazing cd cover I have seen.
> Every Tool fan that hears this cd will be blown away!!!
> I'm on my second listen now!!
> Love it...
> More later, too consumed by this!!!
>
> Paul.
>
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Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 08:49:14 -0600
From: "Matthew Tedesco" <Matthew.Tedesco@colorado.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: flecktones/some time to kill
Message-ID: <003801c0dc85$0be08b00$86598a80@fx1f00b>
> Hello people! Could you please give me some opinions
> as to which BFATF album should I buy first? I've been
> listening to Victor Wooten lately and that guy is
> simply amazing, and I'm very interested in getting
> some more stuff with him playing, especially in the
> flecktones. Thank you very much for your input.
>
A good place to start with the Flecktones is "Live Art," a double-live CD.
It features a lot of their best songs, from previous albums, plus some great
new songs. Production is very good, tons of guest musicians, it really
captures the spirit of the band. And it features a great Wooten bass solo
to boot.
Beyond that... I've bought a few albums recently, and with me just wrapping
up several days of very tedious grading, I thought I'd review some of them:
1) David Torn/Mick Karn/Terry Bozzio: Polytown
This CD came out in 1994, but I only heard about it pretty recently on
Elephant Talk, the Crimson list. If you're familiar with any of the
individual musicians on this project, then this CD is *exactly* what you'd
expect. I only first heard Torn on the Bruford-Levin stuff, and his playing
is very similar here; weirdly brilliant, a lot of pretty strange noodling.
Karn sits pominently up in the mix, and he's got a really wonderful fretless
style, reminds me a bit of Manring. And Bozzio is, well, Bozzio. If I had
to compare this album to anything, it'd probably be to the first
Bozzio-Levin-Stevens album (Black Light Syndrome). The compositions here
are shorter, but have that same jammy feel.
2) Allan Holdsworth: The Sixteen Men of Tain
Just to lay my cards on the table, I'm kinda biased here; I'd say Holdsworth
is probably the non-bassist musician that I admire most. What's new about
this effort is that Holdsworth is definitely moving towards a more
traditional jazz sound; He's working with an acoustic bass (Dave Carpenter),
and there's a trumpet featured on two tracks. This was a minor
disappointment for me, if only because his last two albums have featured
*incredible* electric bassists, Skuli Sverrison and Gary Willis (from Tribal
Tech). What's *not* new about this album is that it's typical jaw-dropping
Holdsworth in guitar and synthaxe. A couple of very good tracks, but on the
whole, I don't think this album is appreciably better than any past
Holdsworth material.
3) John McLaughlin: The Heart of Things (Live in Paris)
If you're familiar with McLaughlin, it's probably through Mahavishnu
Orchestra. This album is definitely a fusion jazz album, and if you like
fusion jazz, this album would be a great purchase. Besides McLaughlin on
guitar, the album features Gary Thomas on saxes, Otmaro Ruiz on keys, Victor
Williams on percussion, Dennis Chambers on drums, and the amazing Matthew
Garrison on bass. The production is superb: the compositions are all quite
long (all save one well over ten minutes), and you'll very quickly forget
that you're listening to a live album. Tons of wonderful tasty solos all
over the place.
4) Matthew Garrison: s/t
OK, this is the bassist from the McLaughlin album, and I can't get enough of
this guy. This is his debut, and it's some of the best bass playing I've
ever heard. The songs (obviously) all feature him, but each features a ton
of interesting and wonderful musicians. Tons of groove, and there's
definitely a world vibe on this. It's a great album, and it's an absolute
must-have for bassists.
5 and 6) Tony MacAlpine/Bunny Brunell/Dennis Chambers: CAB and CAB 2
I know someone reviewed the first of these a month or two ago, but I thought
I'd throw my thoughts in on this. Of the two, I prefer the second one in a
big way, which seems strange, insofar as they were both released last year.
Each album is definitely a forum to showcase amazing chops, but while the
first CAB annoys me--the notes-for-the-sake-of-notes thing--the second one
is much more cohesive and organic. My sole exposure to Brunell was in
Carvin catalogues, but now that I've heard him, this guy can *play*.
MacAlpine you may know from Planet X, and Chambers is all over everything, I
think (the McLaughlin album, plus the Niacin stuff, plus god knows what
else).
7) King Crimson: Deception of the Thrush--A Beginners' Guide to the
ProjeKcts
This album is basically the culmination of the fractalizing of Crim between
Thrak and The ConstuKction of Light. After Thrak, with its double trio (two
guitars, two basses/sticks, two drummers), they broke into several
combinations of the 6 musicians (Fripp, Belew, Levin, Gunn, Bruford, and
Mastelotto). Now, there's a box set of these various sub-groups, which I do
not have, but this single CD is basically the highlights of that box set.
Now, if you know Crim, you know that it's some sick stuff; their side
projects are merely all the more out there. This album is very loosely
composed, and these sorts of Crimson projects can definitely be
hit-and-miss. I can't much stand Thrakkatak, ProjeKct 2--Space Groove is
tedious, and I dig ProjeKct X... but this one I think is simply stunning.
Maybe it's because it's a best-of a whole bunch of weird projeKcts, or maybe
it's because there's enough variety that as soon as you get used to one
projeKct, another kicks in, but I can't get enough of it. I'd say, on the
whole, if you know and love Crim, but you might not have dug their side
work, give this a try. If you've liked all things Crim, then *definitely*
get this. But if you hate Crim, or else are very wedded to
verse-chorus-screamingguitarsolo-type songs, stay away.
8, 9, 10, 11) King Crimson remasters: Larks' Tongues in Aspic, Starless and
Bible Black, Red, Discipline
Not much to say here about these older albums, other than that they did a
great job with the remasters. If you don't know or have any of this stuff,
do yourself a favor and go get Discipline, and maybe even Red as well.
They're very different albums--Red is the last album from the mid-70s lineup
and features Wetton on bass and vox, Bruford on drums, and Fripp on guitar,
while Discipline is the first of the early-80s stuff and ditches Wetton but
adds Levin on stick and Belew on guitar and vox. Red is much darker and
more sinister, but Discipline is sheer heaven. It gets no better.
--Matt Tedesco
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Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:01:58 -0500
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
To: undisclosed-recipients:;
Subject: RE: Awake, Animal, Sleeeep
Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A04B33D6C@ISDCRE00>
Any Spock's Beard CD will put you to sleep in no time :)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Ninnis [SMTP:PaulN@TimeAndPeople.com.au]
> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 8:08 PM
> Subject: Awake, Animal, Sleeeep
>
>
> Can't believe noones mentioned the obvious...
> Awake is all of 74 minutes, whereas Animals is
> something like 35 minutes.
> By the time CiAW comes on you'd probably have had to restart Animals
> again!
>
> If you want an album to wake up to at the end, try the studio version
> of Fates Warning - A Pleasant Shade of Gray
>
> Summer wrote:
> "Why is it that I can put on 'Awake' and fall asleep before CIaW is
> over,
> but if I put on Pink Floyd's 'Animals,' I absolutely CAN NOT FALL
> ASLEEP?"
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Date: 14 May 2001 20:10:12 +0100
From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Awake, Animal, Sleeeep
Message-ID: <86eltr21d7.fsf@picsel.com>
"Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> writes:
> Any Spock's Beard CD will put you to sleep in no time :)
In your case, certainly. All of us Spock's Beard fans are going to get
a great big pile of their CDs and hit you on the head with it. Should
knock you out for a while. ;-)
-- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland------------------------------
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:10:57 -0500 From: Adam Ensinger <aensinger@sigecom.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Flecktones Recommendations Message-ID: <3B002DC1.841A0557@sigecom.net>
> Hello people! Could you please give me some opinions > as to which BFATF album should I buy first? I've been > listening to Victor Wooten lately and that guy is > simply amazing, and I'm very interested in getting > some more stuff with him playing, especially in the > flecktones. Thank you very much for your input. > > Alexis
All of their albums are excellent, but if it's Vic's bass you want to hear, check out "Flight of the Cosmic Hippo" and "UFO Tofu". I didn't really enjoy "Left of Cool" as much as the others, but it's also a good album (just not the 100% instrumental feast I have come to expect). And if you can find it, "Live Art" is a great live 2CD set with a bunch of great guest appearances (Chick Corea!!). Hope this helps you out. (this has been my one post for 2001....back to lurking :) Adam
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Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:28:54 -0500 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Awake, Animal, Sleeeep Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A04B33D70@ISDCRE00>
AHAHHA !!! Good one Graham, I expected that :) Just didn't know which direction it would be from..
> -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Borland [SMTP:graham@picsel.com] > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:26 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Awake, Animal, Sleeeep > > > "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> writes: > > > Any Spock's Beard CD will put you to sleep in no time :) > > In your case, certainly. All of us Spock's Beard fans are going to get > a great big pile of their CDs and hit you on the head with it. Should > knock you out for a while. ;-) > > -- > Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd > graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland
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Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:36:25 -0500 From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Flecktones Message-ID: <005801c0dcad$2abdab20$8184e5cf@enteract.com>
Start with the early stuff, and work your way forward.
I think my favorite is UFO Tofu. The albums get better, production-wise and writing-wise as they go on, but the early stuff is so fresh, and has a greater focus on individual virtuosity, IMO. You will like em all, if you can handle the fact that a Banjo player is playing fresher lines than most guitarists out there. Wild stuff.
Also, if you like Victor, seek out some stuff by Bill Dickens, and pick up Aquarium Rescue Unit and Frogwings music if you haven't heard O'teil and Jimmy Herring. Same southern fusion/rock kind of thing going on there.
- Chris
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Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:25:23 -0400 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Awake, Animal, Sleeeep Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010514162435.00a1d190@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
What a load of shit. Firstly, I did fall asleep to a Spock's Beard CD, name the official bootleg, during the Water, but I love that song and the quiet passages just lulled me right out. I was extremely tired anyway. Whoever says Spock's Beard suck needs to get castrated. Anybody know where their official web site is? At 03:25 PM 5/14/2001, you wrote:
>"Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> writes: > > > Any Spock's Beard CD will put you to sleep in no time :) > >In your case, certainly. All of us Spock's Beard fans are going to get >a great big pile of their CDs and hit you on the head with it. Should >knock you out for a while. ;-) > >-- >Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd >graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland
-- Damon Fibraio Musician, comedian, lover, and public menace email dfibraio@home.com aol instant messenger screenname: nhblive MSN Messenger screenname: dfibraio Yahoo messenger name: Damon_m_f, web site: http://frontpage.home.net/dfibraio/ coHost of No Holds Barred Radio: see http://www.nhbradio.com for details Band sites: Awake: http://www.geocities.com/awake6am: Mystified: http://www.mystified2001.com "All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars, All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars, Turn around and walk the razor's edge."--Neil Peart of Rush, The Pass
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Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:33:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Craig Maloney <craig@ic.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Last year for DTIFC CD? :( Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105141627440.20613-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Title says it all... :(
I opened up my DTIFC fanclub CD today (Yay! Finally got it!) and inside it says that DT is no longer going to produce a fan club CD.
Bummer!!!!!
Ahhh well... It's still excellent! :)
-- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Craig Maloney (craig@ic.net) http://ic.net/~craig In an orderly world, there's always a place for the disorderly. ----------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:50:26 -0500 From: "Dale Newberry" <fat_tire@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Flecktones Message-ID: <F297WGxbDDCe5mpHnoh00006c5b@hotmail.com>
Someone recently asked about recommendations for their first Bela Fleck and the Flecktones album. I would personally recommend the 2CD live album, Live Art. Has some songs from albums, as well as some that haven't been released yet. Great performances. The first studio album I ever got was Three Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, whic would probably be a decent enough starting point. Oh, and they do have a best of album out as well (forgot the exact name, though), so that might not be a bad idea.
Dale R. Newberry _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:49:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Jay Omega <jomega@legarto.minn.net> To: Just Words <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Avantasia - The Metal Opera Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0105141242400.28097-100000@legarto.minn.net>
On Sun, 13 May 2001, Paul Ninnis wrote: > > "Radix" <radix.rascalia@astra-honda.com> writes: > > could somebody give me a review about Tobias sammet avantasia? is it > > more to helloween type, maiden, manowar, or royal hunt? > > Well, how do you explain it... let's start with the title "The Metal > Opera"... > that's a pretty good description... a little of the helloween influence > in a few songs, but not overall I would say.
I'll agree with that. If I wanted to compare Avantasia to other bands, I'd probably say Ayreon, Angra, or maybe even Symphony X before any of the 4 on your list (though I don't know much manowar. :-) They have a "euro-metal supergroup" sort of sound, I guess.
That said, I really don't like the cheesy euro-metal sound, but I really dig this album. One of the better things I've bought recently. I was pleasantly surprised. :-)
--Jay "will now be harangued for implying SymX might be cheesy" Omega --NP: DJ George on Ytseradio ( http://www.ytseradio.com )
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Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 18:18:30 -0500 From: "Dark Majesty" <shadow_majesty@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Christmas CDs and Top 5 Albums Message-ID: <F223hNzW3l1GM3h3vLg000045e3@hotmail.com>
Hey all:
I got my Christmas CD today, I won't tell you anything except that it rocks and you will indeed be surprised. Has anyone seen the Top 5 Albums of 2000 thing yet? I'd almost forgotten about it, and I don't think anyone's posted it here yet. I hope I didn't miss it!
Later,
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Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 20:04:39 -0400 From: "Metzger, Mark" <Mark.Metzger@comverse.com> To: "Ytsejam (E-mail)" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: re: Awake, Animal, Sleeeep Message-ID: <35A7D40B978CD311AF05002048404D3404D4419A@wm2.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
> Can't believe noones mentioned the obvious... > Awake is all of 74 minutes, whereas Animals is > something like 35 minutes.
grrrrr .... out of lurker mode !!
(DRINK !! if you are playing the time-honored game ;)
41:52 goddammit !! And, one must recall that in "those" days you simply couldn't put more than about this time on an LP without jeopardizing the sound quality (fuckski, that was known as jr. high school - eeeks !!). Anyone who wants to tangle with me about the pitch on a record and how it affects sound quality, let me know. And for you young upstarts, "record" means those big black things that grandpa keeps in his closet that go pop, snap and crack. Unless grandpa bought those nice high-quality Japanese pressings and had a decent cartridge !!
For music content, Animals is one of my favorite CDs overall. More intense than anything else the Floyd ever did if one likes great guitar work. That is why my good friend Summer cannot fall asleep to it !! And, you should hear the live versions of this stuff !! I have a boot from Oakland in 77 on which the 18+ minute version of Pigs is the complete shit. Took a 12 minute song and add 6 more minutes of guitar work ;) Fucking Awesome !!
Some of us wish that DT had taken THIS CD into that studio ......
> By the time CiAW comes on you'd probably have > had to restart Animals again!
Some of us may be repacking the bowl. Need to do that every 40 minutes or so anyhow .... !!
Cheers, Marky Mark-san Still looking for Matt Bahr .....
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Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 23:13:43 +0200 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: European jammers question! Message-ID: <3B004A86.6A3814B3@mol.com.mk>
Damn it folks, ... what is going on with the DVD? ;o((((
I still didn't hear anything or got news from BlackStar, does that mean it's still not released out? Why does it take so long?
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