YTSEJAM Digest 5985
Today's Topics:
1) Brazil and lack of respect
by "Paul W. Cashman" <pellaz@atl.mediaone.net>
2) Re: this is sad - LONG POST
by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mauricio_Mart=EDnez <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
3) Re: Musicians: Artists first, self-promotion often included.
by "dreamryche" <dreamryche@bigpond.com>
4) The Porto Alegre incident
by "Rodrigo Leme" <rodrigo.leme@ig.com.br>
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Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 15:50:43 -0400
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <pellaz@atl.mediaone.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Brazil and lack of respect
Message-ID: <3BBF6093.395E@atl.mediaone.net>
> Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 09:36:30 -0400
> From: "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
> Subject: Re: his is sad - LONG POST
> Message-ID: <6800C09EB9D5C564A8BA5D09E1BCFB12@robpociluk.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
>
> The really sad part is that if the tables were turned and the bombing had been in Brazil or elsewhere, and a performer from that
> country forced their patriotism on us...the response would have been the same.
I disagree almost completely. If someone had flown two airliners into
skyscrapers in Rio de Janeiro, with coverage all over CNN, the U.S. and
the world had outpoured help and assistance (as we would have), and an
artist from, say, Sweden then paid tribute to Brazil on a U.S. stage, I
can't imagine an American audience responding in the same way. Cut it
any way you like, the Brazilians' response to Malmsteen was
unacceptable.
> We cannot expect people from other countries to all
> just on this global bandwagon. Ultimately, this is our problem...
Nope. Terrorism is the world's problem. Just ask the Brits, or the
Israelis, or the Italians, or.....
> Bin Laden or whoever is our problem.
I'm sure the Buddhists who watched their ancient idols destroyed in
Afghanistan by the Taliban regime would disagree. So would the
Russians.
> Some countries might be willing
> to help, some might even be willing to sing the National Anthem.
> We should not be so egotistical to think that everyone will.
Of course not, but it's not egotistical to expect a little fuckin'
respect for 6,000 dead civilians from 80 different countries. There
were almost certainly some Brazilians killed in the attack, too.
> It's
> that typical American behaviour that got us in this position. End of sermon.
Wrong. It's typical -terrorist- behavior that got us into this
situation. But that discussion belongs elsewhere.... :)
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Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 16:12:10 -0500 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mauricio_Mart=EDnez <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: this is sad - LONG POST Message-ID: <003701c14eab$90c9c140$8daaf094@compaq.net.mx>
> > >(My personal note, he would had caught more attention of the audience of > >inteast playing the Star Spangled Banner, play our national anthem just > >like Steve Vai did...people loved that moment). > > You're missing the point. The song was played in tribute to a horrible > act, and was a show of support to a country. I'm sure that if none of > this had happened, the US anthem would not have been played. >
I don't think so. Yngwie LOOOVES Hendrix....and guys like Hammett, Vai, Stach..etc. love Hendrix's rendition of the song. So, it's not rare that sometimes guitar players play that song to emulate Hendrix's rendition. It doesn't take a disaster of that magnitude to play the spangled banner on guitar. Although, it's more likely that Yngwie played it in tribute to USA this time.
Mauricio
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Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 10:48:28 +1000 From: "dreamryche" <dreamryche@bigpond.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Musicians: Artists first, self-promotion often included. Message-ID: <000801c14ec9$c8414bc0$593a36cb@PaulTadday>
Well spoken Scott, I completely agree! The greatest thing about being individuals also is our right to agree to disagree about things. But regardless of the subject being debated, we MUST respect the opinion of others when putting across our own point of view.
Paul.
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Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 12:25:45 -0300 From: "Rodrigo Leme" <rodrigo.leme@ig.com.br> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: The Porto Alegre incident Message-ID: <004501c14f44$649d85e0$6025fea9@ig>
I usually only read the messages here, but hello everyone...;-)
>> Malmsteen cancelled all the opening acts on >> every brazilian show. > > That's irrelevant.
No, that's not...that shows an absolute lack of support to new bands. Has he felt threatened by a local opening act. We have to give value to our good bands, as you may aware, great bands come from Brazil everyday.
> You're missing the point. The song was played > in tribute to a horrible act, and was a show > of support to a country. I'm sure that if none of > this had happened, the US anthem would not > have been played.
Yngwie supports nothing but himself.
He played it merely because of the Hendrix connection. The whole point is: he played it, the audience didn't like it (which has nothing to do with liking or disliking the US), so he should just have moved on, and nothing would happen. But the human waste preferd to enter in a struggle with the audience, playing it several times later, which started the whole mess.
I'm not justifing any chants, or anything I'm just saying there are no nice guys in the picture. And we shouldn't beleive Derek only because he is Derek. In any situation you wanna know the truth, you check every side of the story, not only the one that's interesting to you. And Derek apologised already, showing he was wrong too.
>> Not the kind of words that a fan would like to >> hear....peasant infested THIRD WORLD CITY ? > > Fans....that boo the performers and throw shit > at the stage. Nice fans.
Don't be an extremist. When you say "fans", it seems like everyone who was there was a dickhead, and that's far away from the truth.
Rodrigo
Rodrigo Carvalho Leme mtnjester@uol.com.br http://detritusweb.com ICQ#64408272 ************************************************************* "And the only sign of life is the ticking of the pen Introducing characters to memories like old friends Frantic as a cardiograph scratching out the lines In a fever of confession a catalogue of crime in happy hour." (Marillion, Hotel Hobbies) *************************************************************
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