YTSEJAM Digest 5984
Today's Topics:
1) Re: what will become a geeky and annoying thread for sure
by INNSOUL@aol.com
2) RE: MP is gonna hate me after this
by "Matej Grginic" <izolit@siol.net>
3) Re: his is sad - LONG POST
by "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
4) Musicians: Artists first, self-promotion often included.
by Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com>
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Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:04:45 EDT
From: INNSOUL@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: what will become a geeky and annoying thread for sure
Message-ID: <2d.120ff66e.28ef7a6d@aol.com>
>But THE longest?
Scarred or Trial of Tears maybe.
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Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 12:51:08 +0200
From: "Matej Grginic" <izolit@siol.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: MP is gonna hate me after this
Message-ID: <000b01c14e54$ce007380$fb83fea9@PIII1GHZ>
He talks about a drum clam during the Dance Of Eternity I believe, I can't
check because my DVD player is at my friend's house so my parents don't find
it. :)
Keep it spooky
-AdmiralDave
Hey Dave, are your folks amish or something? :-)
Matej
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Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 09:36:30 -0400
From: "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: his is sad - LONG POST
Message-ID: <6800C09EB9D5C564A8BA5D09E1BCFB12@robpociluk.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
The really sad part is that if the tables were turned and the bombing had been in Brazil or elsewhere, and a performer from that
country forced their patriotism on us...the response would have been the same. We cannot expect people from other countries to all
just on this global bandwagon. Ultimately, this is our problem...Bin Laden or whoever is our problem. Some countries might be willing
to help, some might even be willing to sing the National Anthem. We should not be so egotistical to think that everyone will. It's
that typical American behaviour that got us in this position. End of sermon.
RP
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From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
Sent: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 08:40:40 -0700 (PDT)
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: this is sad - LONG POST
On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Gilberto Bressan Junior wrote:
>Malmsteen cancelled all the opening acts on every brazilian show.
That's irrelevant.
>(My personal note, he would had caught more attention of the audience of
>inteast playing the Star Spangled Banner, play our national anthem just
>like Steve Vai did...people loved that moment).
You're missing the point. The song was played in tribute to a horrible
act, and was a show of support to a country. I'm sure that if none of
this had happened, the US anthem would not have been played.
>Derek and Yngwie got really mad.
I don't blame them. They should have been happy that they finished the
rest of the set. I personally would have walked off the stage, especially
after crude chants of BinLaden or whatever. As Derek said, it's not a
political thing, it's a matter of showing respect to thousands of innocent
people that were killed in a terrible and senseless act. By booing and
chanting BinLaden, they were showng absolute disregard and disrespect to
those people that were hurt or killed and their families.
> Not the kind of words that a fan would like to hear....peasant infested
> THIRD WORLD CITY ?
Fans....that boo the performers and throw shit at the stage. Nice fans.
Granted, that remark is probably out of blind anger and somewhat
inappropriate.....but I understand his anger, not his public reaction.
> emails about the incident. Then a few minutes ago Derek posted a note on his
> site apologizing for his previous "hate" email.
While I agree he shouldn't have gone into calling it a third-world
city, he has the right to say whatever he wants, especially when something
like this occurs.
I have a problem with his politically-correct apology
on something like this, but he does what he needs to do.
> Yngwie can play whaterever he wants, but he should be concerned that not
> everybody might like. I personally think that the crowd was wrong with all
> the chants, but maybe Yngwie was wrong too, trying to force people to listen
> to the anthem. People paid money to see him playing his material, not a
> patriotic act from a Sweden.(maybe he is more american than we think :))
>
Yngwie playing the anthem in between sets was in tribute to a terrible
act. It's not a patriotic act and it's not an American force-feeding
patriotism on others. That's ridiculous.
I'm sure he's done it in other places, and got a better response. I
applaud Yngwie for playing it as his encore - at that point, the crowd
should have been happy enough that they went through the entire set.
> Just to finish, we Brazilians have nothing against USA, and we're backing up
> USA against all terrorist acts held against America.
I don't think anyone (including Derek) thinks that Brazil is Anti-American
or anything like that. I think the realization needs to be made that
although these people are performers, they're human beings as well, and a
selfish, despicable crowd doesn't deserve their respect simply because
they paid to see a show. Like I said before, the fact that they're
performers is proven when they actually finished their sets in front of
the crowd..... Derek's "peasant-infested" comment was out of line and his
saying that the country and city shouldn't be judged by the crowd's action
is absolutely correct. But he shouldn't apologize for anything but that
comment. And that crowd should definitely be ashamed of themselves.
-Al
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Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 09:58:29 -0400
From: Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Musicians: Artists first, self-promotion often included.
Message-ID: <3BBF0CAC.7AA991B2@mindspring.com>
Hey y'all.
Someone recently posted about not being a fan of musicians (artists?) using their musical status to promote their
religious/political beliefs.
Well, I thought about that one for a while, in various different context, to examine my own opinion.
I for one, being an artist (that is, musician) AND a social/political activist, have to acknowledge there is a fine line
between USING one's position to draw attention to their political affiliation/religious status, and using their ART to
present their beliefs. Neither one seems to be all inclusive, nor non-indulgent.
But that is the point.
As an artist, be you a musician, painter, dancer, poet, etc, etc, etc... ad infinitum, art is the creative expression of
personal ideals, opinions, and beliefs, whether it be political, religious, social, theoretical, hypothetical, scientific, or
mundane daily existence. One should not have to hold themselves to a general standard that critics and some journalists, and
fans, attempt to hold them too. Just the self-expression contained within one's 'art' is enough, sometimes, to inspire a wide
range of emotions.
Yes, some artists, as a general observation, are in a position where they can express personal insights and espouse their
philosophies to the masses. I have no problem with this. Plenty of people have learned about "AN" social advocacy cause from,
perhaps, U2 or Rage, learned about "AN" inner city perspectives from KRS-One and Public Enemy, about "A" christian identity
from Michael W SMith or Amy Grant, and so on and so forth. It's self-expression. Singing about sex and partying is as
relevent to some as singing about third world debt relief is to others as singing about the fact that 'most people are
dicks' is to even others (Ludichrist, merging into Scatterbrain, btw)
And that is what an artist is: a self-serving tool of self-expression.
Matters concerning political or monetary gain, or otherwise, is somewhat irrelevant.
If one doesn't like a musicians (for example) lyrical concepts and insights, well, hey, DON"T buy the CD, DON'T attend the
concert, DON'T purchase the t-shirt. Remember, no one is forcing anyone here to do anything
EXCEPT
express their personal beliefs like artists usually attempt to do.
Now this is my personal perspective, and being one who applies healthy (and irreverent) doses of personal political,
theological and social elements into his music, lyrics, artwork AND philosophies, I find this subject particularly
significant.
Imagine if all we had to listen to, by mandate, or decree, was bland lyrics incorporating "Love" into every other lines, and
each stanza consisting of atleast 5 'You's' and 12 "Baby's". Now, that is cool for SOME. But personally, I wouldn't want to
hear/see everyone approaching their art the same way. Much as I like 'em, I don't wish everyone to sound like Rage Against
the Machine, Dream Theater, Sade, Prince, EW&F, etc. (Wait, there ARE alot of DT clones... ok, bad tangent)
Individuality is what inspires and refines art. Whether we like it or not.
Apply the 'television-station' technique (which is, if you don't like what they are saying, turn the channel) whenever
possible.
Now this is just my personal perspective, democratically speaking, and that's all it is.
I do not advocate any form of censorship in any shape, way or form. If I don't like something, I have the right to change the
channel or even turn it off. I also have the right to complain about it, and even to protest. Sure! Definitely, our country
was founded on voices of protest.
But to those (and I am not indicating that anyone here has mentioned this) who seek to censor our art, whatever shape it
arrives in, serves contrary to some of the basic values that this country, and a free democratic society, in essence, exist
for.
Anyhow, enough proselytizing and pandering now, I am off the soapbox (though I am short enough to need one). Tolerance and
diversity are personal keys to existence for me.
G;day, peeps, and perhaps we'll get that new DT CD set in time for a late XMas present?
Scott Mosher; Musician/designer/goofball/Allroundniceguy..
VIRTUALITY CD: Ambient neo-progressive rock
http://www.theambientmind.com/virtuality
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