YTSEJAM Digest 5950
Today's Topics:
1) thanks Brian
by Michael & Pamela Nazer <mnazer@pressenter.com>
2) Re: thanks Brian
by "Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez" <calfaro@yunque.net>
3) meshuggah thread.....
by Eric George <edgeorge@geneva.edu>
4) Re: meshuggah thread.....
by Graham Boyle <gjboyle@optushome.com.au>
5) Re:Meshuggah and progressive stasis
by "Nicholas Sakkos" <el00144@mail.ntua.gr>
6) Re: meshuggah thread.....
by "Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez" <calfaro@yunque.net>
7) Re[2]: meshuggah thread.....
by Graham Boyle <gjboyle@optushome.com.au>
8) Re: meshuggah thread.....
by "Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez" <calfaro@yunque.net>
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Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 10:47:41 -0500
From: Michael & Pamela Nazer <mnazer@pressenter.com>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: thanks Brian
Message-ID: <B7B66D4C.14C3%mnazer@pressenter.com>
> My favorite disc is probably
> "Destroy Erase Improve", kind of a meeting of the old and new styles. You
> really can't go wrong with anything they've done, though.
>
> Hope that helps,
> Brian
I was able to find Contradictions Collapse & None, any comments on how this
compares to their other work? Thanks for the description and
recommendation.
Pam
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Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 14:24:16 -0400
From: "Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez" <calfaro@yunque.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: thanks Brian
Message-ID: <3B9127D0.A4CD3FA2@yunque.net>
Michael & Pamela Nazer wrote:
> > My favorite disc is probably
> > "Destroy Erase Improve", kind of a meeting of the old and new styles. You
> > really can't go wrong with anything they've done, though.
> >
> > Hope that helps,
> > Brian
>
> I was able to find Contradictions Collapse & None, any comments on how this
> compares to their other work? Thanks for the description and
> recommendation.
>
> Pam
Contradictions collapse is kind of the old style meshuggah....a little more
straightforward, but
just as crazy (its more of a faster type metal) None was an EP i believe, and it
sounds more like the newers ound of the band... My favorite disc as well is
Destroy Erase Improve though...but None is equally as good..
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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 15:32:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric George <edgeorge@geneva.edu> To: "The 'Jam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: meshuggah thread..... Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1010901152516.9708A-100000@sparcy.geneva.edu>
hey folks, meshuggah has been mentioned on this list periodically from time to time, and MP mentions them as DT influences several times on his "Liquid Drum Theater" video set. what exactly IS their style like? i understand them to be pretty heavy, but what does that mean for the vocals? cookie monster-growl crap? Cradle of Filth screech-noise? or is it something halfway decent? i hope so, being a drummer, but also a singer, i have real trouble getting past vocalists who would rather scream, growl, hiss, cackle, and make noise than sing. it's kinda' been hinted to me that meshuggah might be somewhere in these above mentioned veins when it comes to vocals. though i hope that's not the case, i was hoping to get some kind of confirmation of this from a description of what their sound is all about. hope to hear a few reviews, since there seems to be several fans of their's on the Jam. thanks in advance guys.
-eric
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Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 06:50:44 +1000 From: Graham Boyle <gjboyle@optushome.com.au> To: Eric George <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: meshuggah thread..... Message-ID: <13246140703.20010902065044@optushome.com.au>
EG> hey folks, EG> meshuggah has been mentioned on this list periodically from time EG> to time, and MP mentions them as DT influences several times on his EG> "Liquid Drum Theater" video set. what exactly IS their style like? i EG> understand them to be pretty heavy, but what does that mean for the EG> vocals? cookie monster-growl crap? Cradle of Filth screech-noise? or is EG> it something halfway decent? i hope so, being a drummer, but also a EG> singer, i have real trouble getting past vocalists who would rather EG> scream, growl, hiss, cackle, and make noise than sing. it's kinda' been EG> hinted to me that meshuggah might be somewhere in these above mentioned EG> veins when it comes to vocals. though i hope that's not the case, i was EG> hoping to get some kind of confirmation of this from a description of what EG> their sound is all about. hope to hear a few reviews, since there seems EG> to be several fans of their's on the Jam. thanks in advance guys.
These days I'd rather listen to some more challenging music from an 'extreme progressive' metal band, than the stale boring sounds of many of the so called 'prog metal' bands that are discussed here. They are far more prepared to be progressive, than say a band like Shadow Gallery, who seem to recycle the same stuff album after album, playing the same boring monotonous songs, that are so predictable.
One of the best progressive metal albums released this year is Opeth's 'Blackwater Park', but seems to get ignored by prog fans because of the extreme harsh nature of some of the vox.
-- Best regards, Graham mailto:gjboyle@optushome.com.au
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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 03:50:22 +0300 From: "Nicholas Sakkos" <el00144@mail.ntua.gr> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re:Meshuggah and progressive stasis Message-ID: <001a01c13280$15f27b20$68df6693@----->
>One of the best progressive metal albums released this year is Opeth's >'Blackwater Park', but seems to get ignored by prog fans because of >the extreme harsh nature of some of the vox. > >
Funny you should mention it,most prog fans i know like that album.It was discussed here too when it came out.I got no problem with that kind of vo- cals but they just sounded monotonous to me on said album. And i do agree that prog metal bands (like Shadow Gallery you mentioned, Symphony X etc),though very good at what they do,seem very stationary and unable to surprise the listener with a new release.Since Psychotic Waltz are gone,all eyes are set on DT to make the difference because imho,SfaM didn't.
prog on
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Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 20:47:36 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: meshuggah thread..... Message-ID: <3B9181A8.ED5D58B4@yunque.net>
Graham Boyle wrote:
> These days I'd rather listen to some more challenging music from an > 'extreme progressive' metal band, than the stale boring sounds of many > of the so called 'prog metal' bands that are discussed here. > They are far more prepared to be progressive, than say a band like > Shadow Gallery, who seem to recycle the same stuff album after album, > playing the same boring monotonous songs, that are so predictable. > One of the best progressive metal albums released this year is Opeth's > 'Blackwater Park', but seems to get ignored by prog fans because of > the extreme harsh nature of some of the vox.
Seems like you and I are in the same boat currently. Care to recommend some stuff?
Opeth is simply incredible, Still Life was easily the best, if not one of the best albums from last year IMO. Blackwater Park is more than adequate as a follow up, but it hasnt enchanted me yet as Still Life did. Another band im digging is Dimmu Borgir, their last disc, done with the full orchestra floors me constantly, easily the best black metal ive ever heard... Im eagerly awaiting something new from Tiamat, i liked Skeleton/Lucyfire but IMO they dont compare to A Deeper Kind of slumber (another masterpiece) Meshuggah is extremely bone crunching and they always floor me with their insane odd timed grooves, eagerly awaiting a new disc by them too.... Anything else i should be listening to? I loved Theatre of tragedy's Aegis, but their latest disc was a BIG dissapointment to me... If i had to pick one, i would pick Opeth as my favorite band right now (and has been for a while) Mikael Akerfeldt (sp?) is simply a genious IMO.
Carlos A. Alfaro
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Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 18:34:02 +1000 From: Graham Boyle <gjboyle@optushome.com.au> To: "Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re[2]: meshuggah thread..... Message-ID: <5988269081.20010902183402@optushome.com.au>
CAAH> Seems like you and I are in the same boat currently. Care to recommend some stuff?
Yeah, here goes:)
Falconer - Falconer Debut album from German power metallers. Pretty much basic power metal, with great guitars, very well written hooky songs, with lots of groove. http://store.artistdirect.com/store/artist/album/0,,1134916,00.html
Soilwork - A Predator's Portrait Melodic death, almost progressive in parts, as brutal and heavy as it is melodic, great mix of growling and clean vox.
Ensiferum - Ensiferum Absolute killer viking dark metal from Finland. A delightful combination of Children Of Bodom, Blind Guardian and Dark Tranquillity, mixed in with some acoustic folk. Growling vox superbly mixed up with ultra catchy clean vox. Great production and songwriting to boot. The best album of the year and many years for me, from extreme metal. http://www.spinefarm.fi/metal/ensiferum/ensiferum.htm
Skyfire - Timeless Departure Melodeath mixed with some huge symphonic parts. Kind of Bodom meets Rhapsody. http://listen.to/skyfire
Finntroll - Jakten's Tid Bizarre polka black metal from these crazy Finns, who sing in Swedish! From acoustic guitars, to accordians and Finnish yodelling this killer album has it all. One of my fave bands. http://koti.mbnet.fi/necroth/index2.html
The Black League - Ichor Former Sentenced singer T Jarva is back, using his versitile voice to the max. Interesting mixes of style and different vocals throughout the album. Great all round release. Not immediate, takes a fews spins to fully appreciate. http://theblackleague.cjb.net/
Zero Hour - The Towers Of Avarice Ultra dark, cold progressive metal and arguably america's finest 'undiscovered' prog metal band. Hardly a keyboard to be heard, singer Erik Rosvold is the start of the show. Very heavy and moody.
Kalmah - Swamplord Guitar harmonies gallore, a little bit like Bodom, but less technical, less keyboards. Hooky songs, growling vox, superb production and mix. http://www.student.oulu.fi/%7Eankokko/kalmah/
Evergrey - In Search Of Thruth 3rd album from the dark prog metallers from Sweden. Emotive vocals, combined with great riffs and melodic songs. Some killer guitars and keyboards throughout.
Ark - Burn The Sun 2nd album from former Conception guitarist Tore Ostby. Teaming up again with the killer vox from Jorn Lande. Prog metal, with a few odd sounding songs. Not as strong as their killer debut album. http://www.arksite.com/
Hmm that's all I can think of right now, if I remember anymore, I let you know :)
-- Best regards, Graham mailto:gjboyle@optushome.com.au
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Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 07:40:31 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: meshuggah thread..... Message-ID: <3B921AAE.6023EB01@yunque.net>
Graham Boyle wrote:
> CAAH> Seems like you and I are in the same boat currently. Care to recommend some stuff? > > Yeah, here goes:)
Of all of those you mentioned , I've only heard Soilwork (have 2 albums of theirs, but not that one you mentioned) They are awesome...like a detuned-guitar in-flames (what they sound like to me anyways) Ill have to check out all the other ones... except maybe Falconer.. i really dislike power metal ... :)
-Carlos
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