YTSEJAM Digest 6293
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Radiohead
by schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
2) Radiohead...
by Chris Elder <twilightzone@mindspring.com>
3) RE: Radiohead
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
4) Re: Radiohead...
by "Everonn" <progged@everonn.net>
5) Re: Radiohead...
by Rick Audet <spine@optical.mindstorm.com>
6) RE: Radiohead
by Rick Audet <spine@optical.mindstorm.com>
7) Re: "Classic Albums"
by Heike =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=F6deker <heike.boedeker@netcologne.de>
8) Radiohead? Chomakey? OSI?
by "Bruce Forst" <bforst@peoplepc.com>
9) DT covering Rush
by "Dominic H. Kallas" <dkallas@eecs.tufts.edu>
10) RE: Radiohead
by Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
11) DT to perform on CBS Morning show!
by Andrew Coutermarsh <andrew@cout.dhs.org>
12) GEForce 2
by "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
13) Re: GEForce 2
by "Mike Shetzer" <echo26@videotron.ca>
14) RE: DT to perform on CBS Morning show!
by "Todd O. Klindt" <todd@klindt.org>
15) Superior
by Chris Elder <twilightzone@mindspring.com>
16) Re: Superior
by Peter Geerts <petergee1@yahoo.com>
17) RE: Superior
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
18) Dream Theater is Tool?!?!
by Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@mindstorm.com>
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:40:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Radiohead
Message-ID: <m17hYWW-000JyWC@mail.interzone.com>
>>
>> To me, DAFR and You go Now are WORLDS above any of his demos...
>> some of the best music ive heard in recent times, right above there with
>> Radiohead in my book!
>
>very well put carlos, but i need you to help me out with one thing, while
>we're on the topic of no opinions being wrong. what is it about Radiohead
>that is the cause of such "what-to-do"??? i never "got" what exactly it
>was about them that was so phenominal. please, since it sounds like your
>obviously a fan, don't take this as a slam on the band. rather, i'd love
>it if you would give some recommendations as to a few good places in their
>catalog that will show me the "greatness" of this band. if there's
>something i overlooked during the few times i HAD heard them (very few
>because i wasn't impressed, but kind of annoyed), then i'd like to know of
>where better examples of their talent could be found. thanks man, and
>here's to leaving an open mind.
>
I'm a fan of Radiohead but not a big one. Their songs are hit and
miss for me. If you can, borrow "Amnesiac" from a friend and listen to
"Packt like sardines in a crushd tin box" on a good stereo with the volume
up. This song has a very electronic sound but creates an intense atmosphere
that is amazing. It's the song that turned me on to Radiohead.
Steve
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:03:37 -0500
From: Chris Elder <twilightzone@mindspring.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Radiohead...
Message-ID: <B9894029.430%twilightzone@mindspring.com>
> what is it about Radiohead
> that is the cause of such "what-to-do"???
No offense to the fans but...
I've wondered the same thing. The few songs I've heard made no impression
on me whatsoever. A couple were down right awful. I think Radiohead
suffers from the same thing new U2 suffers from, critics. One critic says
that their new album is absolute genius and then 50 others have to say the
same thing. Then the whole public see those reviews and then think oh, this
is good(only because someone told them it was to begin with).
And someone mentioned that there were a couple good songs on a couple of
different albums. And? What about the other 12-14 tracks? That is not
genius to me that is blind luck, with the aid of a few critics. You
shouldn't have to go digging through multiple albums to find a few "decent"
tracks at best to justify their "critic"al acclaim.
Sorry. Rant over.
Chris
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:38:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: RE: Radiohead
Message-ID: <20020821173802.32877.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com>
"HJ Rivera" <hrivera@crp.org> wrote:
> I then went to OK Computer and discovered "Exit
Music for a Film"
> and "Karma Police," both of which drew me in
further.
If you want an introduction to Radiohead, listen to
DT's Disappear... ;o)
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:37:11 -0400
From: "Everonn" <progged@everonn.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Radiohead...
Message-ID: <000401c24939$618b5540$4501a8c0@axispoint.com>
From: "Chris Elder" <twilightzone@mindspring.com>
> No offense to the fans but...
I think you're making some quick and unfair assumptions. I know there are a
lot of people who really like most or all of Radiohead's music, and a lot of
people who do see genius in their songs. It's one of those
you-get-it-or-you-don't things, like most everything else. Some people are
on that wavelength, some people just aren't...and it's not because some
critic somewhere said it was good music.
- Chris
(not a huge Radiohead fan, but getting there)
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:13:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rick Audet <spine@optical.mindstorm.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Radiohead...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10208211401580.23991-100000@optical.mindstorm.com>
> > what is it about Radiohead
> > that is the cause of such "what-to-do"???
I didn't like Radiohead at first either. I heard "Creep" a long time
ago and thought it was cool, but I never pursued them. Then I heard
"Fake Plastic Trees" a couple years later and thought that too was a
cool song, but once again never bothered to pursue them. And then
a handful of people on here were commenting on "OK Computer" so I gave
that one a listen and I found it boring and somewhat annoying.
Finally, people on the Spock's Beard list were whining about
Radiohead's newest album, "Kid A," and how it was such a departure
from their previous that and how it sucks and so on... so I decided to
try an experiment: There was so much stink about how bad this album
was that I picked up a new copy and listened to it. Then I listened to
it again. And again. I wanted to really digest it before making a
decision on what I thought about it, unlike the fact that I gave "OK
Computer" all of one listen before deciding I didn't like it.
After about 7 or 8 listens, I realized I really liked it. So I went
back and picked up "OK Computer" and "The Bends" and found I really
like those too. And then "Amnesiac" came out and I picked up that one
too, but it took about as long for me to digest as did "Kid A."
But I can't blame anyone here for not liking them. They don't sound
anything like Dream Theater.
If you're already somewhat of a fan, check out their DVD "Meeting
People Is Easy." It's neato.
Rick Audet
San Francisco
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:22:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rick Audet <spine@optical.mindstorm.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Radiohead
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10208211416480.23991-100000@optical.mindstorm.com>
On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Brian Hansen wrote:
> If you want an introduction to Radiohead, listen to
> DT's Disappear... ;o)
Oh right, good point. I had forgotten about that. Also, there's a spot
in "Beyond This Life" that is in the style of Radiohead. Check out
2:25 through 3:09, and then its variant at 4:48 through 6:05.
So yeah, although Radiohead doesn't sound anything like Dream Theater,
sometimes Dream Theater sounds a bit like Radiohead. Not that that's
any reason to like Radiohead or anything.
Rick Audet
San Francisco
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:18:28 +0200
From: Heike =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=F6deker <heike.boedeker@netcologne.de>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: "Classic Albums"
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20020821194137.009feec0@nc-boedekan@pop3.netcologne.de>
At 09:11 21.08.02 -0700, ytsejam@torchsong.com wrote:
>...
>From: "Brian Thomson" <bnt@email.com>
>To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
..
>I previously wrote wondering whether DT might tackle a King Crimson
>"classic album" in the London Astoria gigs in October. I agree that it's
>unlikely that DT fans would appreciate "Da Crim", but i think Red would be
>a good bet
Yeah, it's probably the heaviest they've ever done (besides "USA", the live
album released a few months later). Although from the kind of songwriting
"Discipline" could be quite neat, too (and a nice opportunity for Myung to
play stick ;-)).
>I can point out two major problems with DT covering a Progressive album:
>1) the very Englishness of the whole scene.
Probably applying more to older works. Also, just staying with Fripp, after
the first split of KC he lived in NYC, which especially influenced his solo
album "Exposure" (also another idea...), and also the next reformation with
Belew and Levin didn't sound British at all.
>Can you imagine LaBrie trying to do Genesis' "I Know What I Like"
<chuckles>
>or something from Gong?
Actually, they were France- and Mallorca-based, Daevid Allen was from down
under, though having connections to the Canterbury scene. My problem with
the idea is I can't really fancy DT mutating into a bunch of Pot Head
Pixies performing the Radio Gnome Trilogy (which is mostly miserably cheesy
with the exception of not even a handful of songs like "Master Builder").
Musically, of course, after Allen had quit, Pierre Moerlen's Gong (starting
with "Shamal" and "Gazeuse" still released as Gong) was one of the most
interesting fusion bands of their time, but this stuff would be quite
extravagant for DT to cover. There's lots of odd time signatures
("Crosscurrents" probably being the most interesting shifting from 7/4 to
7/8) and some of the stuff also is heavy like shit ("Heavy Tune", "Esnuria"
etc.), but the harmonies definitely have "jazzy" written all over. Another
problem is the personal instrumental styles of Moerlen vs. Portnoy as well
as Rowe vs. Myung are extremely divergent, despite the fact, if viewed as a
challenge to come up with an interesting reinterpretation rather than "just
a cover" this is the point where it could get interesting...
Best,
Heike
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:45:47 -0500
From: "Bruce Forst" <bforst@peoplepc.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Radiohead? Chomakey? OSI?
Message-ID: <000701c2494b$5a677660$d64dea43@oemcomputer>
short radiohead testimonial: their music...
....it appeals to me in so many ways, its experimental without becoming
cheesy and obvious, which is really inspirational. There are things tucked
away in the sound carefully placed there and artfully done, like a slightly
distorted organ accenting the strums of a clean accoustic guitar for a
couple of measures only. PLus i love their willingness to drag out any sound
they need to make their songs happen. You dont hear enough of that in music
if you ask me. Most bands quite simply dont have the time or budgets to
really explore the depths of their songs like they need to before they are
set to record. Other bands place stylistic or other mental obstacles in the
way of making the songs they want and many times that comes across in the
recordings. bands that take that extra step get my respect. one of the
reasons I love DT is their willingness to try new things and grow as
musicians.
Chromakey: I like it all. Not heavy metal, just interesting songs.
Bruce
PS, I thought the Office of Strategic Influence was the proposed agency to
disseminate PR propaganda to other nations for the sake of building a US
"brand identity". It was quickly scraped when there was an outcry over an
agency that would engage in planting news stories in foreign papers and
create fake news press releases to promote the governments agenda abroad.
For obvious reasons people suspected an agency that would at times lie about
what we are doing. (runs to go reread 1984)
> very well put carlos, but i need you to help me out with one thing, while
> we're on the topic of no opinions being wrong. what is it about Radiohead
> that is the cause of such "what-to-do"??? i never "got" what exactly it
> was about them that was so phenominal. please, since it sounds like your
> obviously a fan, don't take this as a slam on the band. rather, i'd love
> it if you would give some recommendations as to a few good places in their
> catalog that will show me the "greatness" of this band. if there's
> something i overlooked during the few times i HAD heard them (very few
> because i wasn't impressed, but kind of annoyed), then i'd like to know of
> where better examples of their talent could be found. thanks man, and
> here's to leaving an open mind.
> -eric
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:10:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Dominic H. Kallas" <dkallas@eecs.tufts.edu>
To: The ytsejam mailing list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: DT covering Rush
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.33.0208211603210.11341-100000@mezzo.eecs.tufts.edu>
In response to the suggestions for classic albums that DT should cover
live, I would like to suggest these Rush albums:
'Hemispheres'
'Grace Under Pressure'
'Vapor Trails'
The last one might be a challenge because there are no keyboards, but I'm
sure that Jordan will find a way to work around it, just like he did with
'Master of Puppets.' By the way, I suggested 'Vapor Trails' because I am
sure that DT could do an awesome cover of "Vapor Trail."
Thanks for reading!
Electronically,
Dom
PS. Cheers to the guy who suggested that DT should cover Bruce
Springsteen's 'Born To Run.' I actually thought of that, too; freaky, eh?
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:11:07 +0000 (UTC)
From: Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Radiohead
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.44.0208212108590.7414-100000@sdf.lonestar.org>
On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Brian Hansen wrote:
> "HJ Rivera" <hrivera@crp.org> wrote:
>
> > I then went to OK Computer and discovered "Exit
> Music for a Film"
> > and "Karma Police," both of which drew me in
> further.
>
> If you want an introduction to Radiohead, listen to
> DT's Disappear... ;o)
yeah, the only difference is that james doesn't sound like he's eternally
whining because his mommy didn't push him enough on the swings when he was
a child. DT & radiohead: not a good comparison. sorry, i'm done
now......
-eric
--
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get the most appreciation.
The most important things in life
don't seem to get enough."
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:27:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <andrew@cout.dhs.org>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com, <themirror@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: DT to perform on CBS Morning show!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0208211724430.13038-100000@hanoi.nortaac.com>
It's true: Check this out:
http://www.elektra.com/elektra/dreamtheater/news.jhtml?qt=%22Dream+Theater%22
Apparently DT is performing on the CBS Morning show September 14th. No
word as of what they'll be performing, but it's confirmed! Only weird
thing about it is that it's a Saturday morning....
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andrew@cout.dhs.org
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the way video cameras cause porn.
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:54:14 +1000
From: "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: GEForce 2
Message-ID: <OPEJJAPFDGDMCLAHLLIMAEFLCHAA.ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:00:43 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Andrew Coutermarsh <andrew@cout.dhs.org>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
> Subject: Re: puter question
> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0208201056450.5447-100000@hanoi.nortaac.com>
>
> On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Mike Shetzer wrote:
>
> > Hey all. Question for the techies... I'm interested in expanding my
> > gaming capabilities for obvious reasons. I have a Geforce 2 MX 400 which
> > performs well but obviously is too outdated to play many games at more
> > than 8-10 fps.
>
> The best thing you could do is not to buy a new video card, but upgrade
> your motherboard and processor. The GeForce2 is a card that requires you
> to have extra CPU power in order to work at high speeds, and if your
> processor is spending so much time trying to run the program,
> there aren't
> any cycles left to give to the graphics card. I noticed this happen when
> I tried to play Medal of Honor: Allied Assault. The funny thing about it
> was that I could play the game at ANY resolution or detail depth and the
> speed was the same. This showed me that my puny little GeForce2
> Pro could
> have handled whatever it had had thrown at it, but my CPU was failing to
> free itself up for the graphics card.
>
> I don't think that you would see a HUGE increase in speed--you'd probably
> see a slight or perhaps even marginal increase, and it's always a good
> idea to keep your hardward updated, but the best thing you could do for
> yourself is to upgrade to a stronger processor.
This is not the case. All graphics cards require the CPU to order them
around, of course, so CPU speed is never going to be fully removed as an
issue. However, the level of independence the graphics card receives from
the CPU is dependent upon how the game is coded, not whether it's a GEForce
2 or not :P
The "there aren't any cycles left to give to the graphics card" demonstrates
this. If the CPU needs a lot of cycles to talk to the graphics card, then
the game is designed poorly. Look at the difference between the performance
of Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament... and Quake 3 looks better to me.
When I bought my current computer (a P3 667 with a GF2 GTS), my friends
bought 933s with GF2 MXs. Their CPU is almost 50% faster than mine. But the
results in Q3 were strongly tipped in my favour. On some level we were
benchmarking, mine scored 80fps, theirs scored 40.
In general, games work by having almost all of the graphics processing
(which is the lion's share of the program's processing) occur in parallel on
the graphics card, while the CPU does the AI and game mechanics, etc. This
is why you see more benefit from improving the graphics card instead of the
CPU.
Of course, it's a bit of a waste of a GF4 Ti if you're running it on a low
end P3 :P
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:31:20 -0400
From: "Mike Shetzer" <echo26@videotron.ca>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: GEForce 2
Message-ID: <000c01c2497b$9fbc0660$ece0ca18@user>
I know... i have an Athlon 1.4
----- Original Message -----
From: "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 7:00 PM
Subject: GEForce 2
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:00:43 -0400 (EDT)
> > From: Andrew Coutermarsh <andrew@cout.dhs.org>
> > To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
> > Subject: Re: puter question
> > Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0208201056450.5447-100000@hanoi.nortaac.com>
> >
> > On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Mike Shetzer wrote:
> >
> > > Hey all. Question for the techies... I'm interested in expanding my
> > > gaming capabilities for obvious reasons. I have a Geforce 2 MX 400
which
> > > performs well but obviously is too outdated to play many games at more
> > > than 8-10 fps.
> >
> > The best thing you could do is not to buy a new video card, but upgrade
> > your motherboard and processor. The GeForce2 is a card that requires
you
> > to have extra CPU power in order to work at high speeds, and if your
> > processor is spending so much time trying to run the program,
> > there aren't
> > any cycles left to give to the graphics card. I noticed this happen
when
> > I tried to play Medal of Honor: Allied Assault. The funny thing about
it
> > was that I could play the game at ANY resolution or detail depth and the
> > speed was the same. This showed me that my puny little GeForce2
> > Pro could
> > have handled whatever it had had thrown at it, but my CPU was failing to
> > free itself up for the graphics card.
> >
> > I don't think that you would see a HUGE increase in speed--you'd
probably
> > see a slight or perhaps even marginal increase, and it's always a good
> > idea to keep your hardward updated, but the best thing you could do for
> > yourself is to upgrade to a stronger processor.
>
>
> This is not the case. All graphics cards require the CPU to order them
> around, of course, so CPU speed is never going to be fully removed as an
> issue. However, the level of independence the graphics card receives from
> the CPU is dependent upon how the game is coded, not whether it's a
GEForce
> 2 or not :P
>
> The "there aren't any cycles left to give to the graphics card"
demonstrates
> this. If the CPU needs a lot of cycles to talk to the graphics card, then
> the game is designed poorly. Look at the difference between the
performance
> of Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament... and Quake 3 looks better to me.
>
> When I bought my current computer (a P3 667 with a GF2 GTS), my friends
> bought 933s with GF2 MXs. Their CPU is almost 50% faster than mine. But
the
> results in Q3 were strongly tipped in my favour. On some level we were
> benchmarking, mine scored 80fps, theirs scored 40.
>
> In general, games work by having almost all of the graphics processing
> (which is the lion's share of the program's processing) occur in parallel
on
> the graphics card, while the CPU does the AI and game mechanics, etc. This
> is why you see more benefit from improving the graphics card instead of
the
> CPU.
>
> Of course, it's a bit of a waste of a GF4 Ti if you're running it on a low
> end P3 :P
>
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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:02:19 -0500
From: "Todd O. Klindt" <todd@klindt.org>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: DT to perform on CBS Morning show!
Message-ID: <05b101c24988$545dab80$4164a8c0@klindt.org>
I've put it in my TiVo.
tk
-----Original Message-----
From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com] On Behalf Of
Andrew Coutermarsh
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 4:44 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: DT to perform on CBS Morning show!
It's true: Check this out:
http://www.elektra.com/elektra/dreamtheater/news.jhtml?qt=%22Dream+Theat
er%22
Apparently DT is performing on the CBS Morning show September 14th. No
word as of what they'll be performing, but it's confirmed! Only weird
thing about it is that it's a Saturday morning....
-------------------------------------------------
Andrew Coutermarsh - http://cout.dhs.org/
andrew@cout.dhs.org
-------------------------------------------------
It's my personal contention that guns cause crime
the way video cameras cause porn.
-------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:06:41 -0500
From: Chris Elder <twilightzone@mindspring.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Superior
Message-ID: <B989E9A1.436%twilightzone@mindspring.com>
Does anyone have any of these CDs they want to get rid of? I want to try
them out but no stores around me sell them, and online they are $16 before
$3-$4 shipping. And $20 CDs have never been cool in my book. My last $20+
CD was Symphony X- "Twilight in Olympus". I should have saved the time and
flushed the money down the toilet. What a crap CD. So since then I have
been a little sour on spending that much.
Superior
Zero Hour
Spiral Architect
All that I Bleed
Any other bands I should check out?
Email me if you have one you want to sell.
I also have a few I want to get rid of if anyone wants to trade.
Chroma Key - Dead Air...
Mulmuzzler 2
Helloween - Better than Raw
Derek Sherinian - Planet X
Platypus
Chris
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:58:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Peter Geerts <petergee1@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Superior
Message-ID: <20020822075830.72666.qmail@web20803.mail.yahoo.com>
--- Chris Elder <twilightzone@mindspring.com> wrote:
> CD was Symphony X- "Twilight in Olympus". I should have saved the
> time and
> flushed the money down the toilet. What a crap CD. So since then I
> have
> been a little sour on spending that much.
Well, if you didn't like Twilight I doubt you'd like any of the
Superior disks. I mean, not that it's the same style, but both are
heavy rocking, creatively top notch, excellently produced and generally
ass-kicking cd's. Apparently you're not into that. Then again, it's
hard to tell what you *do* like in music just by analysing your rather
brief assessment of Twilight's qualities :-).
Anyway, regarding the price, could it be that you paid that much for
Twilight, and would pay that much for Superior etc. due to the fact
that you're purchasing import cd's? Here in Europe prices *are* higher
<grrrr> (apparently Japan is even worse) and the shipping adds up to
that too. I hear that SX got a distribution deal in the US now though,
so I'm happy for our North-American friends. Anyway, question: *why* do
cd prices differ between continents? (taxes? market value i.e.
Europeans are *willing* to pay more? (I know I'm not))
Cheers
Peter
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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:48:41 -0500
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Superior
Message-ID: <3CEB2BD450223743A4895C0D0C5DFC3A016850B4@haxlcsechp0.healthaxis.dom>
Any money spent on Superior CDs is NOT money wasted. Excellent choice. Get
all three of Superior's catalog !!
Zero Hour is good stuff, too.
JM
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Elder [mailto:twilightzone@mindspring.com]
Does anyone have any of these CDs they want to get rid of? I want to try
them out but no stores around me sell them, and online they are $16 before
$3-$4 shipping. And $20 CDs have never been cool in my book. My last $20+
CD was Symphony X- "Twilight in Olympus". I should have saved the time and
flushed the money down the toilet. What a crap CD. So since then I have
been a little sour on spending that much.
Chris
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Date: 22 Aug 2002 10:36:51 -0400
From: Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@mindstorm.com>
To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Dream Theater is Tool?!?!
Message-ID: <1030027011.1721.0.camel@codewarrior.stigmata.org>
Theory Number 2 :)
http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/music/live/documents/02401757.htm
Skadz
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