YTSEJAM Digest 6102
Today's Topics:
1) MTV sucks
by jewels737@aol.com
2) Re: Tennessee concert?
by LiquidT3@webtv.net (Steve Burton)
3) Re: Solitary Shell Rip Off
by "dreamryche" <dreamryche@bigpond.com>
4) Re: concert T-shirt prices
by Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
5) vocal melodies + more
by Alexis Ramos <alexis_ramos@yahoo.com>
6) Mtv
by Chris Elder <twilightzone@mindspring.com>
7) Re: vocal melodies + more
by Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
8) SUPERIOR - Trailer for new album online!!
by Bernd.Basmer@t-online.de (Bernd Basmer)
9) Re: vocal melodies + more
by "Kez" <kez@stickdog.com>
10) DT: the ultimate rip-off artists
by "Paul Evans" <evansp3@corp.earthlink.net>
11) Re: DT: the ultimate rip-off artists
by Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
12) Classic Rock/DTin Oz
by "charles.farrell" <charles.farrell@btinternet.com>
13) Re: Classic Rock/DTin Oz
by Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
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Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 23:06:23 EST
From: jewels737@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: MTV sucks
Message-ID: <53.120a9a88.298f62bf@aol.com>
Hey...Dr. Teeth....I am 19 years old...so I could be considered an
impressionable youth...and I've grown up with MTV...but I so totally agree
with every word you typed. DT does NOT need to be on mtv...in fact, I'm glad
my favorite band is someone no one ever listens to! It's awesome when I can
play their music and someone actually thinks it sounds cool. Because they're
freaking amazing! Even if they are ugly old guys who can't make good music
videos...who cares! So Dr. Teeth, whoever you really are. You're cool
because of what you just said.
Julie
www.geocities.com/jewels7337
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Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 23:10:18 -0500 (EST)
From: LiquidT3@webtv.net (Steve Burton)
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Tennessee concert?
Message-ID: <19793-3C5E09AA-1267@storefull-291.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
I am a first time poster who unfortunately has 5 acres of land in
Knoxville, Tennessee. Dream Theater live for me,
means a trip back home to Detroit to see
my fav. band. They can play on my property ANY time. Why I moved here
I'll never understand. I read on this list all
the time about bands I would like to try,
but with a new CD costing as much as one does, I rarely do. If the CDs'
were sold new not sealed in plastic like they were when I was in
Switzerland, I could try before I buy. Any Detroit DT fans on this list?
Steve
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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:13:29 +1100
From: "dreamryche" <dreamryche@bigpond.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Solitary Shell Rip Off
Message-ID: <002901c1ad3a$af70d3c0$c33836cb@PaulTadday>
It's definately 46 & 2 for mine.
Paul.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric George" <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 5:05 AM
Subject: Re: Solitary Shell Rip Off
> unfortunately, i'm not anywhere right now where i can listen to the song
> to doublecheck myself, but i believe the walking bass lines are very
> similar, not so much the vocal track. during the verses of Sober, the
> bass line i remember being very similar to the bass line that is being
> played in the section leading up to James' "life to save life!" section in
> TGD. i'm pretty certain, but like i said, i'll have to double check.
>
> now curious,
> eric
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Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 21:35:04 -0800
From: Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: concert T-shirt prices
Message-ID: <B8835D87.31A6%schansen@cts.com>
In a mind-blowing e-mail sent on the extremely historic date of 2/3/02 7:24
PM, Sebastian Keil thusly spaketh:
> NEGATIVE: I never minded paying 20 bucks for a shirt, I like to support OFB
> whereever I can, that was in DeutschMarks about 40. Now we have a new currency
> which is worth twice as much, so not 2 Marks=$1, but about 1 Euro= $1.
> However, Shirts started at $30!!! That's an outrage, $ 80 for the hooded top,
> hello!!! They just took the old prices and the new currency. To quote old
> Luke: "Mike, You Ask The Impossible"
> That has to be a mistake and I am pissed, cause I can live to long on $30 and
> , sorry, can't afford that. I hate to say it, but IMHO that is rip-off, I'd go
> cheaper ordering it online....
Actually, I think concert T-shirt prices are on the rise all around - from
what I remember, I think all the concerts I've been to within the last
couple of years have been selling T-shirts for $25 to $30 here in the US, so
I wouldn't say that you guys are getting screwed because of the new
currency. In fact, I'm sure we'll even see higher prices in general as the
years progress - I saw Journey last year and Iron Maiden the year before -
both were selling "sports jersey" style shirts with the bands name and
emblems on them for somewhere between $100 and $150 - I'd expect regular T's
will be on the rise too. :(
Scott
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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 06:32:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Alexis Ramos <alexis_ramos@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: vocal melodies + more
Message-ID: <20020204143212.96618.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com>
About the vocal melodies, I disagree with the opinion
that the melodies on the first albums were somehow
better. I believe their melodies now are as strong as
ever. The melodies on the song 6DoIT are especially
great...
Another thing. Once again, hasn't anybody noticed the
similarity between the beginning of Solitary Shell and
the beginning of the song "Sing for the day" by Styx?
Definitely not a ripoff, but at least they have a very
similar feel and sound. I heard samples of the song
Solsbury Hill and the melodies do sound very similar
to those in SS... I'll have to listen to the whole
song to compare for myself.
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Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 11:15:42 -0600
From: Chris Elder <twilightzone@mindspring.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Mtv
Message-ID: <B8841DDE.1DE9%twilightzone@mindspring.com>
> In order to get on MTV, you have to first, sound like the other bands on MTV
> (which for the first time since PMU, DT actually does!) and secon, have a
> high quality music video
You forgot #3 - To be on Mtv you have to rap. Those are the ONLY videos
I've seen when browsing though, that and retarded tv shows. The only time I
see rock videos is on VH1.
And I vote no on the video idea, and more radio play. They are hitting
their target market already they don't need either. Do you really want to
be bumping into people at a show that are told what to listen to by Mtv?
chris
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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 08:35:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: vocal melodies + more
Message-ID: <20020204163504.7848.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com>
I've been thinking about this. As a musician, one of the things that I
dislike people telling me most when I write something and play it for
them is something along the lines of "Were you listening to
such-and-such by Led Zeppelin when you came up with that?" No, I was
not. But the fact that something sounds good in one arrangement, by a
band that was in its prime a decade before I was born, means that it
will be repeated, with variations, in one form or another, by another
writer. Such examples are profuse in everything from Bach to Bartok to
Frank Sinatra to Dream Theater. A lot of the time people focus too
much on something new sounding like something else from past
compositions, and overlook many more important qualities in the new
music.
That's not to say that there are no rip-offs. Like that Kid Rock song
that sounds like Metallica's "Sad But True." It is clearly the same
chord progression, notes, and even guitar sound. On the other hand,
there are songs such as Green Day's "Brain Stew," which uses the same
chord progression as many musical pieces have over the years, but is
clearly original enough to be judged on its own merit.
What I'm trying to say here is, let's label Dream Theater as Dream
Theater, and not by labels of songs that came before them. It is clear
that DT members have had a multitude of influences and inspiration from
the vast array of musicians that came before them, in every style from
classical to blues to jazz to classic rock to hip-hop, and everything
in between. I see no point reiterating that fact upon listening to
every one of their new albums. "Enjoy the melodies," y'know? Anyone
agree with me on this?
- Ilia
http://www.44lbs.com
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Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 18:33:02 +0100
From: Bernd.Basmer@t-online.de (Bernd Basmer)
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: SUPERIOR - Trailer for new album online!!
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20020204183244.0213bd48@pop.meet-superior.de>
Hi!
The trailer for our new album ULTIMA RATIO is online! You can have
a look at it here: http://www.ultimaratio2002.de/
Greetings
Bernd
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Bernd Basmer
Guitar - Superior
For info about Superior look at http://www.meet-superior.de/
--------------------------------------------------------------
It's hard to be religious when certain people are
never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:13:49 -0500
From: "Kez" <kez@stickdog.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: vocal melodies + more
Message-ID: <000b01c1ada7$b2a0a260$0300005a@kezp3800>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ilia" <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: vocal melodies + more
<snip>
"Enjoy the melodies," y'know? Anyone
> agree with me on this?
>
> - Ilia
> http://www.44lbs.com
YES, I AGREE.
More than you know, and more than I want to get into here, but you are right
on the money.
And I AM enjoying the melodies, very much!
Kez, not analyzing, just enjoying
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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:19:30 -0800
From: "Paul Evans" <evansp3@corp.earthlink.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: DT: the ultimate rip-off artists
Message-ID: <002401c1adb0$dedd9f00$0301a8c0@kenny>
Man these guys are totally unoriginal. They use the same damn 12 notes
everyone else uses. How pathetic is that?
And they use the same instruments. I mean, guitar, bass, drums, keyboards,
and vocals. That's been done to death already...
If they were really great, they'd be inventing new instruments for their
music, which would use all new notes. I mean, they're just ripping
everybody off right now.
If they can't invent new instruments, at the very least, they should make
their own instruments and amps. Get this - you or I could buy the exact
keyboard Jordan uses! Is that ridiculous? If he's such a keyboard wiz, why
doesn't he build his own? And I hear some company named Yamaha builds
Myung's basses. How very unoriginal.
It's no wonder you all think their songs sound like someone else. They're
pathetic...
Paul
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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:59:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: DT: the ultimate rip-off artists
Message-ID: <20020204195900.26197.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com>
Yeah, they should stick to the pre-Bach temperament of instruments and
use quarter tones and the ancient Greek scales and such in their
compositions. That's what they should do. They all went to music
school, didn't they teach them all that there? I mean, c'mon guys,
let's hear something REALLY new!
- Ilia.
http://www.44lbs.com
--- Paul Evans <evansp3@corp.earthlink.net> wrote:
> Man these guys are totally unoriginal. They use the same damn 12
> notes
> everyone else uses. How pathetic is that?
>
> And they use the same instruments. I mean, guitar, bass, drums,
> keyboards,
> and vocals. That's been done to death already...
>
> If they were really great, they'd be inventing new instruments for
> their
> music, which would use all new notes. I mean, they're just ripping
> everybody off right now.
>
> If they can't invent new instruments, at the very least, they should
> make
> their own instruments and amps. Get this - you or I could buy the
> exact
> keyboard Jordan uses! Is that ridiculous? If he's such a keyboard
> wiz, why
> doesn't he build his own? And I hear some company named Yamaha
> builds
> Myung's basses. How very unoriginal.
>
> It's no wonder you all think their songs sound like someone else.
> They're
> pathetic...
>
> Paul
>
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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 21:59:53 +0000
From: "charles.farrell" <charles.farrell@btinternet.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Classic Rock/DTin Oz
Message-ID: <3C6C9685@www.twigger.co.uk>
-----Original Message-----
> From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
> Subject: Classic Rock
>
> The new Classic Rock is in the shops now. It includes a
> lengthy review of 6DOiT (giving it a very favourable 4
> out of 5) and an interview/feature with Mike Portnoy.
Very interesting and honest interview with Mike. Clarifies
the subject matter of 'The Glass Prison' anyway.
Strange that when he seems to have lost some of his interest
in boxing that he wears that 'Iron Mike' Portnoy dressing-down
at the end of the show.
> From: Graham Boyle <gjboyle@optushome.com.au>
>
> NC> I don't know if anyone's posted this yet, but for any Aussies
> NC> that haven't seen this yet, go to:
> NC> http://www.ozdt.com
> NC> and sign the online petition. Hopefully we can convince a
> NC> promoter to get DT down here, and we can rock this joint! :P
>
> Unless there is a new promoter on the scene it's a waste of time.
> We did the same thing a couple years back and no interest, they even
> spelt DT's name wrong when they replied to the petition :(
Has Gary considered doing a 'Tour Fund' thing a la Marillion?
Would be a cool thing to see the guys make it down under
Charlie
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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:33:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Classic Rock/DTin Oz
Message-ID: <20020204223319.54435.qmail@web11305.mail.yahoo.com>
--- "charles.farrell" <charles.farrell@btinternet.com> wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
> > To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
> > Subject: Classic Rock
> >
> > The new Classic Rock is in the shops now. It includes a
> > lengthy review of 6DOiT (giving it a very favourable 4
> > out of 5) and an interview/feature with Mike Portnoy.
>
> Very interesting and honest interview with Mike. Clarifies
> the subject matter of 'The Glass Prison' anyway.
>
> Strange that when he seems to have lost some of his interest
> in boxing that he wears that 'Iron Mike' Portnoy dressing-down
> at the end of the show.
I must sound completely ignorant... but how would one go about finding
this interview?
- Ilia.
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