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YTSEJAM Digest 6096

Today's Topics:

  1) new DT rant (no spoilers)
by Kevin Loechner <loechner@eecs.tulane.edu>
  2) Re: new DT rant (no spoilers)
by WB Henderson <wbhenderson@cs.millersville.edu>
  3) Re: new DT rant (no spoilers)
by "Everonn" <progged@everonn.net>
  4) 6 Degrees **SPOILERS**
by WoodyTJ34@aol.com
  5) Re: new DT rant (no spoilers)
by Rick Audet <spine@optical.mindstorm.com>
  6) Re: new DT rant (no spoilers)
by Rick Audet <spine@optical.mindstorm.com>
  7) Re: new DT rant (no spoilers)
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu>
  8) I love CDNow
by "TREVOR HOIT" <trevorhoit@attbi.com>
  9) Re: new DT rant (no spoilers)
by WB Henderson <wbhenderson@cs.millersville.edu>
10) Re: new DT rant (no spoilers)
by WB Henderson <wbhenderson@cs.millersville.edu>
11) Re: new DT rant (no spoilers)
by "Everonn" <progged@everonn.net>
12) We're at number 1!
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
13) Re: We're at number 1!
by "Andre Navarro" <gan_andre@hotmail.com>
14) RE: 6 Degrees
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
15) new cd
by "Bill Huston" <HUSTON@iomega.com>
16) 6DoIT
by Alexis Ramos <alexis_ramos@yahoo.com>
17) Re: new DT rant (no spoilers)
by Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
18) Hmmm...
by stan <soculese@bellatlantic.net>
19) Re: Hmmm...
by Rick Audet <spine@optical.mindstorm.com>
20) ok, I'll bite...
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
21) Another rambling DT review - this time the London gig *spoilers*
by "charles.farrell" <charles.farrell@btinternet.com>
22) London review *setlist spoiler city *
by "charles.farrell" <charles.farrell@btinternet.com>

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Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:24:31 -0600 (CST)
From: Kevin Loechner <loechner@eecs.tulane.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: new DT rant (no spoilers)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1020114102225.27831A-100000@pegasus>

Well, I was happy to receive the new Dream Theater album in the mail
today. I ripped it open and popped it in my computer's Cd-ROM drive, and
it starts running this stupid flash application. I wanted to play the CD
in Winamp, because I like having all the CDDB info pulled up, can't do it.
Apparently I can only run it in the Windows CD player. I also like to
archive an mp3 copy for use on my portable, can't do that either. Then I
try to play it in Linux, which I really want to work on switching over to
eventually, can't play it in Linux. What's even worse is the playback
screws up if you hit the help button on the Flash application or select
the autorun.inf file in the CD-ROM directory. I thought, uh-oh, this is
that new music cartel copyright protection stuff, so I can't get fair use
out of a product that I paid for. Well, I can only do one thing, because
I don't want these companies to trample over my rights, no matter how much
I love Dream Theater's music. I plan on returning the CD as defective,
and don't hate me for this, but I suggest everyone else that comes across
these problems do the same thing. We need to talk to Mike Portnoy or
somebody in the band about this, because I don't want the defective CD,
but I want DT to succeed and make money. I would much rather give them
some money personally than have to deal with this infringement upon my
rights under the Audio Home Recording Act. Now, if someone could actually
come up with a way to reverse engineer this scheme, I'd be interested, or
if someone could help me in getting an mp3 copy and suggest a way to make
a payment directly to the band. This is a sad, sad day for all DT fans,
and I hope the band is upset about this also. Any suggestions are
welcome, but please don't flame me for suggesting returning the CD (I
love it by the way, but I just can't keep it out of principle).

Sincerely,
Kevin Loechner

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Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:58:16 -0500
From: WB Henderson <wbhenderson@cs.millersville.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: new DT rant (no spoilers)
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20020128225554.01999650@cs.millersville.edu>

>Apparently I can only run it in the Windows CD player.

If you can play it at all in a CD-ROM drive, it isn't a copy-protection
issue. As far as I know, there isn't copy protection sophisticated enough
to only allow CD audio information to be played using specific
applications. It probably is a genuinely defective CD.

Brian

[NP...Fleshcrawl -- Soulskinner]

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Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:06:03 -0500
From: "Everonn" <progged@everonn.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: new DT rant (no spoilers)
Message-ID: <005101c1a87a$44fd1e00$0801a8c0@dellme>

From: "Kevin Loechner" <loechner@eecs.tulane.edu>
> I also like to
> archive an mp3 copy for use on my portable, can't do that either. Then I

I didn't try to play it on the computer's CD player, but I did rip the CD
right away and had no trouble at all doing so. I had to exit out of the
stupid Flash animation first, but I opened up my ripper (Exact Audio Copy)
and it copied fine.

I wouldn't return it if I were you..I'd just find a better program to rip
with. I don't think the CD has any copyright protection on it, beyond being
a mixed mode CD (which means it has any sort of computer-read content) and
some programs aren't smart enough to handle that.

If you want to try a program that worked for me when ripping the CD,
download EAC from http://www.exactaudiocopy.de

- Chris

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Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:15:43 EST
From: WoodyTJ34@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: 6 Degrees **SPOILERS**
Message-ID: <155.8005cfc.29877bef@aol.com>

**SPOILERS**

I got my copy today from a Chicagoland used cd store. The album is great.
After only one listen I really enjoyed it. They have definately gone in a
different direction on a few pieces. There is some really experimental parts.
Some parts are Pantera-like heavy and others have the same DT drama. The
Glass Prison is my favorite because it is so heavy. Six Degrees is also
great. Disappear is one of the weakest DT pieces to date. The other 3 songs
each have some really good riffs. So far, not up to the callibar of Scenes
but that's only one listen. Hope to read some good reviews this week.
See ya,
Todd
"I sit down with my son, Set to see the Crimson Sunset"

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Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:38:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Rick Audet <spine@optical.mindstorm.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: new DT rant (no spoilers)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10201282332340.19076-100000@optical.mindstorm.com>

Now that you mention it, the discs themselves do
*not* bear the "Compact Disc Digital Audio" logo.
hmmmm....

On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Kevin Loechner wrote:

> Well, I was happy to receive the new Dream Theater album in the mail
> today. I ripped it open and popped it in my computer's Cd-ROM drive, and
> it starts running this stupid flash application. I wanted to play the CD
> in Winamp, because I like having all the CDDB info pulled up, can't do it.
> Apparently I can only run it in the Windows CD player.

snip

> I thought, uh-oh, this is
> that new music cartel copyright protection stuff, so I can't get fair use
> out of a product that I paid for. Well, I can only do one thing, because
> I don't want these companies to trample over my rights, no matter how much
> I love Dream Theater's music. I plan on returning the CD as defective,
> and don't hate me for this, but I suggest everyone else that comes across
> these problems do the same thing.

snip

> Sincerely,
> Kevin Loechner

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Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:55:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Rick Audet <spine@optical.mindstorm.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: new DT rant (no spoilers)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10201282349480.19076-100000@optical.mindstorm.com>

Oops, "compact disc" logo or no, I too was able to
rip mp3s from this cd. I can't seem to add the
CD's tracks to my winamp playlist, however. There
are no .cda files appearing when I browse the
discs. Other cds load into winamp fine. Any ideas?

On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Everonn wrote:

> From: "Kevin Loechner" <loechner@eecs.tulane.edu>
> > I also like to
> > archive an mp3 copy for use on my portable, can't do that either. Then I
>
> I didn't try to play it on the computer's CD player, but I did rip the CD
> right away and had no trouble at all doing so. I had to exit out of the
> stupid Flash animation first, but I opened up my ripper (Exact Audio Copy)
> and it copied fine.
>
> I wouldn't return it if I were you..I'd just find a better program to rip
> with. I don't think the CD has any copyright protection on it, beyond being
> a mixed mode CD (which means it has any sort of computer-read content) and
> some programs aren't smart enough to handle that.

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Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:20:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: new DT rant (no spoilers)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0201290019500.8416-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>

On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Rick Audet wrote:

> Oops, "compact disc" logo or no, I too was able to rip mp3s from this
> cd. I can't seem to add the CD's tracks to my winamp playlist,
> however. There are no .cda files appearing when I browse the discs.
> Other cds load into winamp fine. Any ideas?

I don't think Winamp has EVER been able to load CDA tracks from a mixed-
mode CD (e.g. one that has multimedia material on it as well as CD audio)
so it doesn't seem too odd.

So the question is, what's on these mixed-mode CDs? Is it the webisodes?

-------------------------------------------------
Andrew Coutermarsh
a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu
http://cout.dhs.org/
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Sometimes, when I would read a very good book,
I would stop and thank my teacher. At least, I
used to, until she got an unlisted number.
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Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:19:08 -0800
From: "TREVOR HOIT" <trevorhoit@attbi.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: I love CDNow
Message-ID: <027e01c1a884$7acd2a20$3d44e40c@attbi.com>

Got it a day early. Yippee.
I'm gonna go listen to it now.
trevor

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Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:24:32 -0500
From: WB Henderson <wbhenderson@cs.millersville.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: new DT rant (no spoilers)
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20020129001645.01ab89d0@cs.millersville.edu>

>There are no .cda files appearing when I browse the
>discs. Other cds load into winamp fine. Any ideas?

One possibility is that they hid all the files, i.e. they're there (hence
the ability to rip/playing in other players), but marked as hidden. Go
into Folder Options in Windows Explorer and make sure "show hidden files
and folders" is checked. I don't have any CDs with hidden files to test
this theory on, but I did check whether or not WinAmp would play hidden
MP3s if the aforementioned option is not on. It doesn't. Could be the
same deal for CDs. Just a theory.

Brian

[NP...Borknagar -- Empiricism]

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Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:41:26 -0500
From: WB Henderson <wbhenderson@cs.millersville.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: new DT rant (no spoilers)
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20020129003729.01aa9318@cs.millersville.edu>

Sorry for three posts from me...I really should condense. This one shall
be without sig for the digest-moded...

>I don't think Winamp has EVER been able to load CDA tracks from a mixed-
>mode CD (e.g. one that has multimedia material on it as well as CD audio)
>so it doesn't seem too odd.

Actually, it does. Winamp's my chief CD player and I ain't never had a
problem with mixed-mode CDs, storebought or homemade. Regardless, you
should still be able to see the CDA files even if Winamp couldn't play them.

Brian

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Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 01:19:10 -0500
From: "Everonn" <progged@everonn.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: new DT rant (no spoilers)
Message-ID: <000a01c1a88c$dd8bd0a0$0801a8c0@dellme>

From: "Andrew Coutermarsh" <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu>
> So the question is, what's on these mixed-mode CDs? Is it the webisodes?

Nope nothing quite that useful. There's a link to a DT page at Elektra, and
there's a "Play CD" button which (in my case) starts playing the disc in
Windows Media Player. Fairly cheesy and useless Flash.

Also, I don't see the .cda files in explorer either, and I have it set to
show me everything (hidden, etc.). I don't know if this was set up to
prevent ripping or not, but if it is they did a really weak attempt at it.
EAC rips it just fine.

I actually tried to play it in Winamp (right clicked in the Winamp window,
selected Play > Audio CD) and it played about the first half second of
static on the TGP into, and then blue screened my system.

- Chris

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Date: 29 Jan 2002 11:09:29 +0000
From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: We're at number 1!
Message-ID: <86665lpg5y.fsf@daffy.picsel.com>

Well, folks, Dream Theater is finally at #1 in CDNow's top 100.

Woohoo!!!!!

-- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland

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Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:52:51 -0400 From: "Andre Navarro" <gan_andre@hotmail.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: We're at number 1! Message-ID: <OE44q65Rn8P5o7P6umL0000a6b4@hotmail.com>

what the......

When Day & Dream Unite (Limited Edition) at #19??.

> > Well, folks, Dream Theater is finally at #1 in CDNow's top 100. > > Woohoo!!!!! > > -- > Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd > graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland > >

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Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:15:32 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: 6 Degrees Message-ID: <3CEB2BD450223743A4895C0D0C5DFC3A733D36@haxlcsechp0.healthaxis.dom>

Keep spinning those CDs. It'll grow on ya. Disappear might be slow, but it's great. This release oozes with greatness.

> -----Original Message----- > From: WoodyTJ34@aol.com [SMTP:WoodyTJ34@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:33 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: 6 Degrees **SPOILERS** > > I got my copy today from a Chicagoland used cd store. The album is great. > > After only one listen I really enjoyed it. They have definately gone in a > > different direction on a few pieces. There is some really experimental > parts. > Some parts are Pantera-like heavy and others have the same DT drama. The > > Glass Prison is my favorite because it is so heavy. Six Degrees is also > great. Disappear is one of the weakest DT pieces to date. The other 3 > songs > each have some really good riffs. So far, not up to the callibar of > Scenes > but that's only one listen. Hope to read some good reviews this week. > See ya, > Todd > "I sit down with my son, Set to see the Crimson Sunset"

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Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:29:35 -0700 From: "Bill Huston" <HUSTON@iomega.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: new cd Message-ID: <sc56a3e2.075@royn20.iomega.com>

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good stuff, ya! They really got heavier this time around :> Had a problem with the case, couldn't open the 2nd cd without it unattachin g. Solution: cut the corners off the hinge and it doesn't catch anymore. Gotta get back to this Great Debate is just starting.....

Wilmo

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Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:22:47 -0800 (PST) From: Alexis Ramos <alexis_ramos@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: 6DoIT Message-ID: <20020129212247.31190.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com>

The day has arrived! 6DoIT is out, and CDNow came through and delivered it to me right on the day it's being released! I think this is the first time I've gotten a cd I've pre-ordered on time. Anyway, I've had a copy of it for over a month, and I absolutely love it. The guys outdid themselves once again. Here's a few things I'd like to comment on:

- Did anyone notice that the music no longer says "written by Dream Theater" and, instead, now says "written by Myung, Petrucci, Portnoy, Rudess"?

- Has anyone noticed the similarity between the beginning of Solitary Shell and the song Sing for the Day by Styx?

- In this album, I believe Jordan puts to shame all of the other keyboard players DT has had before. He's in a league of his own, people. You might not like his style or sounds, but you have to admit that he's got insane skills. I don't think he gets to the point of being a Chick Corea, but he's not far behind.

Alright, that's it for now. Let's see if the release of the new album increases the amount of posts to the jam...

Alexis

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Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:06:06 -0800 (PST) From: Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: new DT rant (no spoilers) Message-ID: <20020129220606.40176.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com>

Mine opened up in Windows Media Player just fine... don't know what that's all about, check to make sure your CD-rom drivers are installed properly would be my preliminary solution.

- Ilia.

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Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:22:57 -0500 From: stan <soculese@bellatlantic.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Hmmm... Message-ID: <B87C9901.4F%soculese@bellatlantic.net>

Stardate Jan 29, 2002

When SFAM came out, there were at least 3 jams that day. It's kinda funny, today there are none.

Is it because everyone already had the disc's before release?

Is everyone glued to their speakers?

Hmmm...

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Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:59:45 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet <spine@optical.mindstorm.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Hmmm... Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10201291855480.26973-100000@optical.mindstorm.com>

On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, stan wrote:

> Stardate Jan 29, 2002 > > > When SFAM came out, there were at least 3 jams that day. It's kinda funny, > today there are none. > > Is it because everyone already had the disc's before release? > > or > > Is everyone glued to their speakers?

It's because in the last few years, everyone and their brother decided they wanted to start their very own mailing list to discuss the antics of <insert band name here>. Now there are 213412351516234 online forums, and those venues are where all the DT discussion is taking place.

Except for here -- the place where it all started.

Dream Theater rules.

Rick

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Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:19:00 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: ok, I'll bite... Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020129201551.00a12700@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>

Bought the new album today and it has yet to leave my onkyo. I am not exactly sure where the record sound that ended sfam comes into play here, but it is kind of cool to start off where we ended sfam, even if the songs have nothing to do with each other. The Glass prison kicks my ass harder than a lead foot. Wow, what happened to DT, they seemed to find balls like I have never heard before. And Jordan is ever impressive as usual. I don't know what these guys are smoking, but I want some. The other songs on the disk are very experimental. The Great debate is Tool all the way, and I love it. It seems like they stole a few production gimmicks from the Beatles or Radio Head, but that is cool, after a while it is kind of tiring to listen to the same stuff. I am a big fan of studio gimickry, panned voices, funky effects, shit like that. As for the title track, I am still trying to inhale it all, but overall, I totally love this CD, both of them. I have also purchased symphony X's live album and Ozzie Osbourne's new one, but can't seem to stop listening to the new DT to put the others in. And I have misunderstood stuck in my head now. This is definitely a great CD.

-- Damon Fibraio Musician, comedian, lover, and public menace email dfibraio@home.com aol instant messenger screenname: nhblive MSN Messenger screenname: dfibraio@home.com Yahoo messenger name: Damon_m_f, coHost of No Holds Barred Radio: see http://www.nhbradio.com for details Band sites: Awake: http://www.geocities.com/awake6am: Mystify: http://www.mystify2001.com "If I die tomorrow, I'll be all right, because I believe that after we're gone, the spirit carries on."--Dream Theater, in dedication to those who lost their lives on 09/11/01 God Bless the U.S.A.

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Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 01:48:37 +0000 From: "charles.farrell" <charles.farrell@btinternet.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Another rambling DT review - this time the London gig *spoilers* Message-ID: <3C760461@www.twigger.co.uk>

I've posted this elsewhere, so I apologize in advance to those who've already seen it. Gotta do something to keep this damn ML alive :-)

Apparently DT aim to have 4 different set-lists and so far they have 2 worked out - the one that they played in Manchester and the one they played in London. No doubt they'll be one or two surprises along the way - at least we have to hope for that. So far Pain of Salvation have played the same set each night.

I still haven't received my copy of 6DOIT, so I have to admit that the new songs didn't sound so good (to me) live. Those who have shelled out for the new disk will probably disagree, but this disk seems to be creating more differing reactions than any of the preceeding ones.

Charlie

on to the long and boring bit :-)

*****spoiler city *****

=============================

Moving on to London, despite some awful hold-ups on the train that added 2hrs to the normal journey, roadworks and bus schedules that were all screwed up and which forced me to walk the last mile and a half on foot I still arrived at the venue before PoS hit the stage!!! Something of a first for me

Plenty of familiar faces were sat around me, including guys from the Italian and French fan clubs and a guy from Switzerland.

PoS came on stage at around 7:20 and played for half an hour. They were very energetic and the lighting was much brighter than the night before. Daniel mentioned the band's name and the new album several times. There was a crowd of people around the front of the stage throughout the set. I don't know how many of them were English, but most of the faces I recognised were of people who had travelled from outside the UK.

They opened with a great, aggressive version of 'Used', which really grabbed the audience attention - or at least the attention of those who were not pre-occupied with getting a few more beers in :-(. "London, how are you?', asked Daniel, "This is a song from new album". It was "Fandango", which is a song I'm going to have to work on. I didnt really connect with the tune, with its alternating aggressive staccato and gentle parts, but from there on it was excellent. After introducing the band again "For those who have just arrived", Daniel announced, "This is Ashes". The version that followed was truly stunning and certainly delighted the fans at stage-front, with an excellent solo from Daniel and some great bass from Kristoffer.

"Another song from new album, still called Remedy Lane" introduced 'Undertow', with Kristoffer on cello. The crowd response seemed more muted than in Manchester and the band moved swiftly into "Beyond the Pale'. This was full of impressive bass from Kristoffer who was often headbanging furiously and striding around the stage. Great heavy guitar from Johan too. Some of the odd noises coming from the keys and Daniels guitar were not nearly as distracting for me as when this was played the night before. Then once again Daniel discarded his guitar and Fredrik played 'Spirit of the Land'.

The rest of the guys returned and Daniel announced, "This is "Inside". This was a fantastic rendition and the improved lighting really meant that the crowd was able to see Daniel leaping around aggressively, much to the delight of the guys at the front. Apparently, Daniel aimed some of the lyrics at one of the Security Guys who was checking peoples tickets at the stage front. All too soon it was over and after a final reminder of "We are Pain of Salvation" they left the stage to reasonable applause.

The sound was excellent once again, but 30 mins seems very short for a set. I didn't time the Spocks Beard and Porcupine Tree sets on the last couple of DT tours, but I'm pretty sure that they got to play for 40-45 minutes. With the exception of 'Fandango', I really enjoyed the set and the band seems to be attracting some interest.

PoS Setlist: Used Fandango Ashes Undertow Beyond The Pale Spirit of the Land / Inside

The short break gave me some time to hook up with some other fans, a number of whom had travelled from Manchester like me, had experienced travel difficulties similar to myself. Large areas of the stalls were empty, but it came as no surprise to find that the bar areas really were packed. It never ceases to amaze me just how many Brits never bother to watch the support band.

Anyway, at around 8:30pm, the outro to SfaM signalled the start of The Glass Prison and the band hit the stage to huge cheers. Everything was arranged as the night before with Portnoys huge Siamese monster taking up most of the stage-center. To the left was Jordan, stood on a raised platform with his single keyboard on a plinth, which he could rotate. Labries percussion stand with chimes, shaker and tambourines amongst its fearsome armoury was to the right of Portnoys kit, with Myung and Petrucci in their usual positions stage-left and stage-right. This number still needs a few more listens, but I did love the vocal exchanges between Portnoy and Labrie, which worked really well.

The response from the crowd at the end of the song was excellent and Labrie went on to thank the British audience for returning in numbers. "For a while we thought we were losing it here in the UK, but you people really helped bring it back". After that, it was straight into monster versions of Under a Glass Moon, which ended with a neat Petrucci solo that formed a break into a monster version of Scarred. Im really not sure what all the new DT fans really thought of such a heavy start of set. The reaction to the closing 2112 extract which was tacked onto the end of 'Scarred' was also disappointing. Petrucci did the spoken We have assumed control bit. Very neat I thought! But then they threw us another curve ball - Cover My Eyes with a little solo from MP at the end.

Fortunately, they then strung together a number of tunes from SfaM. Strange dij` vu, Through my Words and Fatal Tragedy which livened up the crowd no end. Then we got a neat Rudess solo in for good measure. "Thank you everyone, so far so good" declared Labrie.

The second cut from the new album Blind Faith came over well before Jordan got his own little solo spot. I'm not always a big fan of his tuff, but on this occasion his playing was delightfully melodic and restrained, with his own drum-machine backing. Then a rotating Majesty symbol appeared on the screen above Portnoy and the rest of the band returned to launch into Lines in the Sand. This also seemed to receive a good reception, seeming to confirm that, like the night before, Falling Into Infinity is probably their best known album besides SfaM, in the UK anyway. This contained some nice piano stuff from Jordan and a lovely soulful, bluesy solo from Petrucci, who really seemed to be playing out of his skin this evening.

The final track from 6DOIT was Misunderstood which was OK, but seemed a little over-long, before the stage was lit by strobes and they kicked into Lie, ending with yet another blistering Petrucci solo. The Spirit Carries On then got the crowd singing once again before a finale of Pull Me Under.

After a few minutes off-stage, they came back to play Home, which didnt sound to me, as good as the night before, with Labrie a little bit more screamy, but he then sung an excellent version of Hollow Years which more than made up for it. Learning to Live was just the sort of thing I wanted to hear, but once again, one sensed that many people had never heard the song before, so from where I was standing, the finale wasnt quite as hot as it might have been.

The bands reaction to the cheers at the end of the show seemed to indicate that the crowd reaction had been to their satisfaction receiving a Fuckin A! London from Mr Portnoy. If its good enough for them, then my complaints can't really be taken seriously, can they?

The drummers on the list may be interested to know that Portnoy alternated between the two sides of the kit a lot more than he had at the Manchester gig, switching between the kits after almost every tune. Labrie was controlled and relaxed most of the time, though he had to sing a lot more of the heavier tunes during this gig.

Setlist: The Glass Prison Under A Glass Moon Scarred with 2112 Grand Finale Cover My Eyes (That one confused the crowd hehehe) Strange Deja Vu Through My Words Fatal Tragedy Blind Faith Jordan solo spot Lines in the Sand Misunderstood Lie Spirit Carries On Pull Me Under Encores: Home Hollow Years Learning to live

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Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 01:51:51 +0000 From: "charles.farrell" <charles.farrell@btinternet.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: London review *setlist spoiler city * Message-ID: <3C76050A@www.twigger.co.uk>

I've posted this elsewhere, so I apologize in advance to those who've already seen it. Gotta do something to keep this damn ML alive :-)

Charlie

on to the long and boring bit :-)

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Plenty of familiar faces were sat around me, including guys from the Italian and French fan clubs and a guy from Switzerland.

PoS Setlist: Used Fandango Ashes Undertow Beyond The Pale Spirit of the Land / Inside

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