YTSEJAM Digest 6138
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Semi-OT: Interesting Article
by "Jason Birzer" <longshot@cox.rr.com>
2) Re[2]: Semi-OT: Interesting Article
by Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
3) Re: SUPERIOR - Listen to new songs!!
by schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
4) Superior site
by Alexis Ramos <alexis_ramos@yahoo.com>
5) WDADU
by "Kevin Hammer" <tufif_de_siks@hotmail.com>
6) Re: WDADU
by Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
7) RE: WDADU
by "T.D. Smith" <tdsmith@perfectcode.net>
8) Enchant (Nearfest)
by "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ch=F3lo" Scott Mosher <ninja@mindspring.com>
9) Re: Enchant (Nearfest)
by Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
10) $1 a day...do you need legal coverage?? .. .>18842
by 21@hotmail.com
11) Re: $1 a day...do you need legal coverage?? .. .>18842
by WB Henderson <wbhenderson@cs.millersville.edu>
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:02:30 -0500
From: "Jason Birzer" <longshot@cox.rr.com>
To: <thoughts2@yahoogroups.com>, <teof@yahoogroups.com>,
Subject: Re: Semi-OT: Interesting Article
Message-ID: <000201c1c966$ee298470$0202a8c0@longshot>
> I've never heard the band in question, nor do I think it matters much,
> but the article really goes into detail about some of the problems
> with the current music/radio industry. It is more than a little
> disheartening.
Sorry, but I don't have that much sympathy for these guys. For guys who are
trying to succeed unconventonally, they are certainly measuring success in
conventional methods. I mean, how can you tour nationally when no one knows
who you are? There are plenty of bands out there, like the ones we listen
to, that have to get 3-4 albums under their belt and lots of slow,
fanbuilding stuff before they can even think about touring beyond their
borders. You need to have the followers first.
Also, expecting that your CD will be in the K-Marts or Wal-Marts of America
is a bit much. There is limited space at those places, so it is no surprise
that it didn't show up there, or that there might only be one at Best Buy.
Personally, I think they need to concentrate on finding their niche and
marketing to them. It is how it works in Prog.
Course, the biggest thing that bothers me about this article is that the guy
whines about not getting heard, and doesn't even provides a link to check
out what his music actually IS. C'mon, you spent the time writing an
article, at least tell us where we can find it. After searching on DGM's
site and clicking on a lot of links, I finally found their site and a track
to listen to. Most people won't go to that degree to find them. Looks like
a missed opportunity for me.
The kicker is, while they are good, there isn't anything about them that is
particularly special. Pretty standard rock as far as I can tell. Maybe
they should have signed a big record deal. They might need the support to
stick out. Otherwise, I could see these guys doing well in a local club
scene. (Hell, I'd support them if they were in this area. The club bands
in this area suck for the most part.) Nothing wrong with being a good club
band, other than you aren't going to make a living off of that. Course, if
they are in it partially because they love doing it, it doesn't matter as
much.
Jason
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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 07:32:09 -0800
From: Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
To: Jason Birzer <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re[2]: Semi-OT: Interesting Article
Message-ID: <56113658191.20020312073209@ivorygate.com>
Tuesday, March 12, 2002, 6:03:52 AM, Jason wrote:
JB> Sorry, but I don't have that much sympathy for these guys. For guys who are
JB> trying to succeed unconventonally, they are certainly measuring success in
JB> conventional methods.
I wasn't so much concerned with the band themselves (or his
whining) as in all of the road blocks that he was pointing out, as
these affect most every band.
JB> who you are? There are plenty of bands out there, like the ones we listen
JB> to, that have to get 3-4 albums under their belt and lots of slow,
JB> fanbuilding stuff before they can even think about touring beyond their
JB> borders. You need to have the followers first.
Even then, most of the bands in our genre can't tour the US. And
even the most successful / unknown bands out there like Dream
Theater have problems booking full US tours and getting proper
promotion and radio exposure. In talking with Mike Portnoy after
the LA show, it seems like the US is a pretty tough nut to crack,
since they are playing huge places in Europe and Japan.
JB> Also, expecting that your CD will be in the K-Marts or Wal-Marts of America
JB> is a bit much. There is limited space at those places, so it is no surprise
JB> that it didn't show up there, or that there might only be one at Best Buy.
Yeah, same with bands that have been around for a long time, like
Fates Warning... I always see about one or two CDs at Best Buy...
and they are supposed to have decent distribution (obviously not).
JB> scene. (Hell, I'd support them if they were in this area. The club bands
JB> in this area suck for the most part.) Nothing wrong with being a good club
JB> band, other than you aren't going to make a living off of that. Course, if
JB> they are in it partially because they love doing it, it doesn't matter as
JB> much.
Very true...
-- ~Michael Kizer < mike@ivorygate.com > < ICQ # 2070538 > "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." < www.ivorygate.com > Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream < www.fateswarning.info > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ NP: Silence...------------------------------
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:53:56 -0500 (EST) From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: SUPERIOR - Listen to new songs!! Message-ID: <m16kqTE-000IPgC@mail.interzone.com>
> >Our new homepage is online with a lot of new stuff going on. >On top of all, you can listen to some new songs of our coming >album "Ultima Ratio". Have a look at http://www.meet-superior.de/ >or go to the Ultima Ratio site at http://www.ultimaratio2002.de/ >to learn about the story, the music and a lot of more things about >our new CD. >
Cool! The samples sound great. I can't wait for the CD. Any idea on when it will be released?
Steve
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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:47:35 -0800 (PST) From: Alexis Ramos <alexis_ramos@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Superior site Message-ID: <20020312184735.91194.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com>
Hey Bernd! I have to say that both the Superior and the Ultima Ratio site are amazing!!! I'm really looking forward to the new album, but I still haven't found the release date anywhere. The trailer says March 12th (today), but it seems like that isn't the date because the album isn't listed on the site's online store. So when is it going to be released and how can we order it if we live in the US? Thanks for the info!
Alexis
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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:28:44 -0500 From: "Kevin Hammer" <tufif_de_siks@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: WDADU Message-ID: <LAW2-F42HsmyBWDrow00000f94e@hotmail.com>
Just got my WDADU from CDNOW. Sounds cool! Also a very informative story on the inner cover. I never realized that Kevin Moore was Dominici's replacement ;)
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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:54:27 -0800 (PST) From: Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: WDADU Message-ID: <20020312195427.39279.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com>
--- Kevin Hammer <tufif_de_siks@hotmail.com> wrote: > I never realized that Kevin Moore was Dominici's replacement ;)
Was he? I was under the impression that Moore was with the band from the get-go... wasn't he a member of Centurion, and recruited for Majesty by Petrucci/Myung? LaBrie's first name is Kevin, but he took up his middle name (James), for there were already two Johns in the band and two Kevins would be greatly confusing.
Then again, I didn't yet look at the new WDADU, so maybe that story is a little more accurate.
- Ilia. http://www.44lbs.com
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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:13:19 -0000 From: "T.D. Smith" <tdsmith@perfectcode.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: WDADU Message-ID: <000401c1ca02$5d420e40$0300a8c0@ELYDIAN>
Nah, Kevin left the band to join The Teletubbies, a popular UK childrens TV show. He was later fired because his ideas differed severely with Dipsy's.
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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:07:45 -0500 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ch=F3lo" Scott Mosher <ninja@mindspring.com> Subject: Enchant (Nearfest) Message-ID: <3C8E984A.8639C96@mindspring.com>
Man, I just gotta say, I'm still depressed about missing out on Nearfest and seeing Enchant, one of my favorite progressive bands (denoting them progressive, neo-progressive, para-progressive, semi-progressive, pseudo-progressive, chromo-progressive, bio-progressive, kitchen-appliance progressive, frog progressive, astro-progressive, pop progressive, etc, etc, etc, et al, ad naseum, ad infinitum, whatever!) who I just *happen* to be listening to my own personal 'Greatest Hit's' of theirs even as I, er... type? That's one band I pick up their newest CD irregardless of anything. Anyone who is NOT familiar with 'em, get down (tonight) and grab some Enchant CD's. Tell 'em B.A. Baracus sent ya...
Anyhow, I've been under the impression Enchant's been destined for big and great things ever since I picked up 'Blueprint of the World' and heard 'Nighttime Sky' back in '96. In my humble and fortuitious opinion, they are upper-tier level along with the Rush/Dream Theater/Fates Warning/Marillion's of the realm... now I'm just awaiting Tile's next CD and their slow but deserved climb into the progressive stratosphere. Man, what's a brother gots to do to pass the time? Oh yeah, I'm working on a new CD, myself...
Scott (Art/Music/Life/Niceguy) VIRTUALITY CD Project: music: http://www.theambientmind.com/virtuality
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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:26:43 -0800 (PST) From: Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Enchant (Nearfest) Message-ID: <20020313012643.88100.qmail@web11302.mail.yahoo.com>
--- Chslo Scott Mosher <ninja@mindspring.co wrote: > I'm still depressed about missing out on Nearfest and seeing Enchant,
> one of my favorite progressive bands (denoting them progressive, neo-progressive, > para-progressive, semi-progressive, pseudo-progressive, chromo-progressive, > bio-progressive, kitchen-appliance progressive, frog progressive, > astro-progressive, pop progressive, etc, etc, etc, et al, ad naseum, > ad infinitum, whatever!)
That's beautiful, Scott. Mind if I quote you on that in my AIM profile?
- Ilia. http://www.44lbs.com
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 00:25:11 -0500 From: WB Henderson <wbhenderson@cs.millersville.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: $1 a day...do you need legal coverage?? .. .>18842 Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20020313001221.018c2858@cs.millersville.edu>
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