YTSEJAM Digest 6419
Today's Topics:
1) reflections on 2002
by Alexis Ramos <alexis_ramos@yahoo.com>
2) Re: Treasure Land - Questions
by "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com>
3) Re: testing Ytsejam
by "Mark Bredius" <mark.bredius@planet.nl>
4) treasuer land
by "TREVOR HOIT" <trevorhoit@attbi.com>
5) Re: Instrumedley clip exclusive to MP.com
by Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
6) Re: testing Ytsejam
by Coldfire <coldie@bellatlantic.net>
7) Re: Space Dye Vest
by "Karyn Hamilton" <littlewenda@hotmail.com>
8) Re: Space Dye Vest
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
9) RE: testing Ytsejam
by "charles.farrell@tesco.net" <charles.farrell@tesco.net>
10) Opeth Memories
by "charles.farrell@tesco.net" <charles.farrell@tesco.net>
11) Re: Opeth Memories
by Michael & Pamela Nazer <mnazer@pressenter.com>
12) So what does that make me?
by Barry Gilpin <dtrushgilp@woh.rr.com>
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Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:09:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Alexis Ramos <alexis_ramos@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: reflections on 2002
Message-ID: <20021231190915.95993.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com>
Alright, here are some reflections on some of the
things that went on on 2002:
- The jam this year was definitely at its worse, with
less and less people writing as time went by. I know
there's still quite a few people reading this, but for
some reason there hasn't been much motivation to
write. I think it might be that all of us here at the
jam are getting older, and our desire to write all the
crap that comes to our head has started to mellow
down. The jam had its moments, but on average it
wasn't a good year in terms of discussion and amounts
of posts. Let's hope 2003 brings new life to what was
before the place to be for Dream Theater related
stuff.
- As far as releases, 2002 was definitely a great
year. Here's a list of all the worthwhile releases
for me this year (I'll try to put the first few in
order, but it's going to be hard to rank them after
that):
Dream Theater - 6DOIT
Pain of Salvation - Remedy Lane
Planet X - Moonbabies
Explorer's Club - Raising the Mammoth
Symphony X - The Odyssey
Spock's Beard - Snow
Blind Guardian - A Night at the Opera
All That I Bleed - Dying to Remember
Angra - Hunters and Prey
Rhapsody - Power of the Dragonflame
Luca Turilli - Prophet of the Last Eclipse
Avantasia II
Shaman - Ritual
Planet X - Live from Oz
Spock's Beard DVD
Steve Morse Band - Split Decision
Green Carnation - Light of Day, Day of Darkness
Arjen Anthony Lucassen's Star One - Space Metal
Those are all I can remember right now that I have
enjoyed thoroughly this year. There have to be more,
but this is a very good example of how good this year
was in terms of quality releases.
- The album that made the biggest progress for me this
year definitely has to be Explorer's Club - Raising
the Mammoth. At first listen I was a bit
disappointed, but this album just kept growing on me
exponentially. The melodies just started sticking in
my head like glue, especially the line "In my
experience..." Terry Bozzio's drumming is incredible,
a masterful display of how loose and versatile a
drummer can be. His drumming on this album is worth
the price of the disc alone. The beginning of the
album is glorious music. The whole album just kept
getting stronger all the time, and still is.
- Virgil Donati just kicked my ass this year.
Moonbabies and Live from Oz had awesome performances
by him, and he showed that he's one of the most
talented drummers out there. His polyrhythmic
abilities are insane.
Alright, I have to go. Happy New Year!!!
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Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:49:23 -0800
From: "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Treasure Land - Questions
Message-ID: <20021231114923.A23234@zero.corp.publichost.com>
Magnus is around here somewhere...
-The Doc
0. "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> farted:
> Damn. I've had this CD for a while but am just getting around to listening
> to it in the car this morning, and DAMN!
>
> Heavy, Melodic, catchy tunes, progressive, and you name it !!
>
> Aren't one or two of the band members on the list?? When is the next
> Treasure Land CD hitting the shelves?
>
> Sign me the hell up !!!
>
> Jan-Michael
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Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 23:03:50 +0100 From: "Mark Bredius" <mark.bredius@planet.nl> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: testing Ytsejam Message-ID: <000f01c2b118$802b7ba0$9600000a@itchy>
> Coldie...since 97
And Itchy, since '97 as well... ;-)
Mark Bredius http://www.markbredius.com/ http://www.dreamtheater.net/
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Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:44:47 -0800 From: "TREVOR HOIT" <trevorhoit@attbi.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: treasuer land Message-ID: <004301c2b11e$3a4179e0$f7a2eb0c@attbi.com>
>Subject: Treasure Land - Questions >Damn. I've had this CD for a while but am just getting around to listening >to it in the car this morning, and DAMN! >Heavy, Melodic, catchy tunes, progressive, and you name it !! >Treasure Land CD hitting the shelves? > Jan-Michael
While you're waiting for the next one, get thier other one, "Gateway".
Trevor Member since 12/96, never heard Opeth or owned a Space-Dye Vest.
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Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:36:35 -0800 From: Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Instrumedley clip exclusive to MP.com Message-ID: <BA376962.58ED%schansen@cts.com>
There's a reason for that - it was requested by the administrator of MP.com as he only has so much bandwidth - he has a lot, but when you have hundreds of people downloading a 110+ MB file, that bandwidth disappears real quickly. Besides, if that were the case, then everyone who goes to DT.net, all of the other band members websites, and all the foreign language websites should all have been notified so that they could go there too - none of them did. Understand that it was a gift to those who regularly visit there. If you don't visit, you don't get the gift - simple as that.
However, I'm sure that plenty of people have downloaded it, so all you have to do is ask around a bit and you'll find it. I do have a copy of it, but I have no means of hosting it anywhere, and all I have is a 56K connection, so I'm not gonna have the time to upload it to someone else's server.
FWIW, I don't mean to take away from the value of the 'Jam (it is important or I wouldn't still be subscribed), but most of the info ends up appearing on MP.com and/or DT.net before it shows up anywhere else. And the discussions on there are (many times) similar to what you will see here - the nice thing is that you can pick and chose which threads to read and what not to, so you can avoid reading all the extra stuff you have no interest in. Anyway, don't complain - remember that Mike's gonna provide perks to those on his site, simply because that's his "home" *and* he's the only one who really gets involved with providing bonus stuff to the fans. If you want the perks right away, start visiting MP.com regularly. Otherwise, you'll have to wait until it starts to circulate.
Scott
> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:05:46 -0600 > From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> > To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> > Subject: RE: wow > Message-ID: <4642CF49B0BEB44386CA20BD34DC243864DE0B@hhpech01.healthaxis.dom> > > Yeah, no kidding. I'm not into Forums. But I have an idea where to get > that MP gift, and unless someone else beats me to it, I'll get it shared > with the rest of the list. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Borland [mailto:graham@moonbog.net] > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 11:56 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: wow > > > "Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez" <calfaro@yunque.net> writes: > >> BTW, also, the jam-only jammers mustve missed the incredible gift MP >> put out for us on the forum : an almost pro-shot video with >> certainly soundboard quality audio of DT playing a 12min >> "Instrumedley" which was up on the forum as an xmas gift and is now >> gone... :( > > Well, thanks for waiting until it was too late before telling any of > us. :-( > > -- > Graham Borland > graham@moonbog.net
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Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:55:45 -0500 From: Coldfire <coldie@bellatlantic.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: testing Ytsejam Message-ID: <3E122E81.D5387898@bellatlantic.net>
YOu can't be geriatric babe...if you can still chase Tara around the old FTP/TBH ;)
C ;)
"Souter, Jan-Michael" wrote: > > Great... if you guys on since 97 are "old timers", I guess that makes me a > damn geriatric LOL! > > (look it up :) > > JM > > -----Original Message----- > From: Coldfire [mailto:coldie@bellatlantic.net] > >
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Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 10:28:32 +1000 From: "Karyn Hamilton" <littlewenda@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Space Dye Vest Message-ID: <BAY2-F406QR7j1HaKtK00005ff1@hotmail.com>
Hm. Some google detective work has turned up these gems for you:
http://store.alloy.com/catalog/browse/productview.asp?PRODUCT_ID=15593
Space dye mittens! So I guess if you can imagine a vest made out of that stuff. I dunno, it's not what I imagined ;-)
If I wore these, would you fall in love with my hands?
Here's another - space dye sweaters:
http://www.countryewe.com/moreinfo.cfm?Product_ID=300&Category=18
I'd find a picture of a vest, but google just keeps turning up lyric pages ;-)
-- Karyn
>Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:59:36 +1100 >From: "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au> >To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> >Subject: RE: Space Dye Vest >Message-ID: <OPEJJAPFDGDMCLAHLLIMCEEGCLAA.ytsejam@bigpond.net.au> > >Sorry, I guess I wasn't very clear with my post. I was able to find the >above in the FAQ, but it doesn't really describe what the SDV actually >looks >like. I wasn't after what the song is about, just what the vest is like :P > >Pam gave me a bit of info, does anyone else have any clues? > >Niall
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Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:51:59 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Space Dye Vest Message-ID: <000c01c2b138$5f67ac70$9b00a8c0@SHETZ>
WHOA.... that is the ugliest sweater I've ever seen. Keep them space dyes away from me =)
----- Original Message ----- From: "Karyn Hamilton" <littlewenda@hotmail.com> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 7:27 PM Subject: Re: Space Dye Vest
> Hm. Some google detective work has turned up these gems for you: > > http://store.alloy.com/catalog/browse/productview.asp?PRODUCT_ID=15593 > > Space dye mittens! So I guess if you can imagine a vest made out of that > stuff. I dunno, it's not what I imagined ;-) > > If I wore these, would you fall in love with my hands? > > Here's another - space dye sweaters: > > http://www.countryewe.com/moreinfo.cfm?Product_ID=300&Category=18 > > I'd find a picture of a vest, but google just keeps turning up lyric pages > ;-) > > -- Karyn > > >Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:59:36 +1100 > >From: "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au> > >To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> > >Subject: RE: Space Dye Vest > >Message-ID: <OPEJJAPFDGDMCLAHLLIMCEEGCLAA.ytsejam@bigpond.net.au> > > > >Sorry, I guess I wasn't very clear with my post. I was able to find the > >above in the FAQ, but it doesn't really describe what the SDV actually > >looks > >like. I wasn't after what the song is about, just what the vest is like :P > > > >Pam gave me a bit of info, does anyone else have any clues? > > > >Niall > > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > >
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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 00:19:19 -0500 From: "charles.farrell@tesco.net" <charles.farrell@tesco.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: RE: testing Ytsejam Message-ID: <265000-2200313151919197@M2W069.mail2web.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:49:34 -0600 Jan-Michael Souter blessed us all with his wit and wisdom, as follows:
> Hi Charles. Some of us have been on this mailing list > since Images & Words was brand new, Bleh, so your dong is bigger than mine, eh? big deal.
> and have no complaints about admin activity. Thanks for > your time. Hope you stay a while.
I'm pleased to see that you have time on your hands during this holiday season - shame you didn't make better use of it.
Anyway, I apologize for the lack of 'relevant' content in my earlier posting, but after more than a year of being unable to post to this list, I had just subscribed again under a different email address and seen my first mail disappear once again into the ytse-ether. That being the case I was in no frame of mind to compose a gem of shakespearian brilliance as a further test. I understand that in days gone by, such a post would have awoken the Ytse-banshees, who would have attempted to scare me into un-subscription. [Flaming newbies to the list being their main sport].
Anyway, before I move on, thanks to Coldie for sticking up for me :-)
> From: Miguel Farah <miguel@lj.cl> > > Coldie, you've only been here since '97? Shit, I don't > > feel so bad anymore for being here since '97 either. :D > > May 1996 here.
oh pleeeezzzeee, let's not get into that :-)
> From: Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: Opeth > > Over the weekend, I noticed a great number of messages > on this thread.
Ah yeas, Opeth, the very subject which made me want to post in the first place, now where was I.
--- Antony Gelberg <ag@antgel.co.uk> wrote: > > Wow, so Deliverance isn't even a fluke? ;-) I will have to > pick up the others, then. > > Do they tour? Europe? I would pay big money to hear this > live.
Ah yes again, Mr Gelberg, my fellow countryman, where have you been. Surely you cannot fail to have seen the 'hello' style '@home with Mr Akerfeldt' feature which appeared only a few weeks ago in the famed pages of our nations most popular music publication - Kerrapp! ... or their appearance in Metal Hammer ... or their earlier appearance in the summer 'Prog special' edition of Terrorizer or the hour long special on the band and Deliverance which aired on the melodic-death friendly 'sex to 9' show (www.sexto9.com) on the nations only national metal radio station - totalrock (www.totalrock.com), or the fact that the band have indeed visited our oft neglected shores thrice in little more than 12 lunar months. Open your eyes Mr Gelberg! :-)
Indeed they are now so trendy, that Kerrapp dragged them over from Sweden a few weeks ago to play a gig as part of the 'K-fest', when Mikael and his band mates would probably have preferred to have been tucked up in bed, dosed up to the eyeballs with cough medicine. Myself and several other lurkers on this list were present at the gig, though I still can't call myself a 'fan' of the band.
However, fear not, for they will return in March for a nation-wide tour (whatever that means these days). Porcupine Tree will also be touring the UK in March - I wonder if the two might appear together?
> From: Graham Borland <graham@moonbog.net> > To: ytsejam@torchsong.com > Subject: Re: wow
> >"Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez" <calfaro@yunque.net> writes: > > BTW, also, the jam-only jammers mustve missed the > > incredible gift MP put out for us on the forum : > > an almost pro-shot video with certainly soundboard > > quality audio of DT playing a 12min "Instrumedley" > > which was up on the forum as an xmas gift and is now > > gone... :( > Well, thanks for waiting until it was too late before > telling any of us. :-(
Thanks for putting this more subtlely than I was going to in the mail I wrote, which never reached the jam. I knew I could rely on you to reply to this Graham :-)
Damn Forums are more cliquey than even the most fashionable mailing lists! (and I say that as a regular Forum user myself)
> From: Graham Borland <graham@moonbog.net> > Subject: Re: testing Ytsejam > > Actually, over the years, many of us have had many complaints > about admin activity. In particular, a lot of people deserted > the list when it started filling up with flame wars and spam, > and trying to get something done about it was like trying to > get blood out of a stone. Eventually Skadz started paying > attention, and sorted out the spam problem, but the jam never > recovered from the lost membership and it remains in this > semi-dead state. :-(
Well said Graham! What was it about 'fiddling while Rome burned'?
The clear facts are that this list has received zip by way of maintenance in the last couple of years. Skadz has ignored any mails I've sent him. I can understand he's a 'cool' guy to those who know him, but as far as I'm concerned he's done bugger all to the list since he eventually fitted those spam filters and he's just about the most uncommunicative list-admin I've ever known.
Just check out the subscription confirmation mail - it hasn't changed from the days pre-SFAM when there was a news blockout on the album.
Right, now that I've got that little lot off my chest, I've off to bed. Happy New Year folks!
Charlie
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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 00:26:25 -0500 From: "charles.farrell@tesco.net" <charles.farrell@tesco.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Opeth Memories Message-ID: <54470-2200313152625619@M2W087.mail2web.com>
with the jam becoming an Opeth 'love-in' over the last week or so, does anyone recall the jam's premier promoter of the band, Rogerio from Brazil?
Only a few years ago he would frequently write long mails explaining how wonderful they were - even more wonderful than DT, yet his words fell on deaf ears. Where is he now?
Charlie
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Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 10:43:51 -0600 From: Michael & Pamela Nazer <mnazer@pressenter.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Opeth Memories Message-ID: <BA3876E7.38FB%mnazer@pressenter.com>
on 12/31/02 11:47 PM, charles.farrell@tesco.net at charles.farrell@tesco.net wrote:
> with the jam becoming an Opeth 'love-in' over the last week or so, does > anyone recall the jam's premier promoter of the band, Rogerio from Brazil? > > Only a few years ago he would frequently write long mails explaining how > wonderful they were - even more wonderful than DT, yet his words fell on > deaf ears. Where is he now? > > Charlie > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > Yes I do remember. I bought my first Opeth cd because of his posts.
Pam
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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 13:28:50 -0500 From: Barry Gilpin <dtrushgilp@woh.rr.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: So what does that make me? Message-ID: <200301011830.h01IUBW4028819@ohsmtp02.ogw.rr.com>
Ok, since people who've been here since 97 are old-timers, am I an old-timer yet? Been here since the summer of 98. Mostly lurking. And I will have the MP x-mas gift in a couple of days because I know a guy who lives near me and he's got it and he's gonna burn me a disc. I'll share it with the "listers" when I get it.
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