YTSEJAM Digest 6421
Today's Topics:
1) Re:Opeth Damnation
by Kurt Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
2) OT: SB newsgroup
by "Antony Gelberg" <ag@antgel.co.uk>
3) Re: Re:Opeth Damnation
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
4) Re[2]: Opeth Damnation
by Graham Boyle <dream@theater.fsnet.co.uk>
5) Re: Re[2]: Opeth Damnation
by Graham Borland <graham@moonbog.net>
6) Re: Ytse 'Ol timers
by Michael & Pamela Nazer <mnazer@pressenter.com>
7) Yet more on bloody Opeth :-) n stuff
by "charles.farrell@tesco.net" <charles.farrell@tesco.net>
8) my music is better than yours
by Rick Audet <spine@optical.mindstorm.com>
9) Assorted
by WB Henderson <wbhenderson@cs.millersville.edu>
10) Spock's Beard and more
by "Alexis Ramos" <Aramos@vivienda.gobierno.pr>
11) Re: Spock's Beard and more
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
12) RE: Re[2]: Opeth Damnation
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
13) RE: Re[3]: Opeth Damnation
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
14) Opeth album titles
by Dave Peterson <razortag@yahoo.com>
15) Re[4]: Opeth Damnation
by Graham Boyle <dream@theater.fsnet.co.uk>
16) Re[4]: Opeth Damnation
by Graham Boyle <dream@theater.fsnet.co.uk>
17) RE: Re[4]: Opeth Damnation
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 20:10:28 GMT
From: Kurt Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re:Opeth Damnation
Message-ID: <20030102.151035.22565.718257@webmail4.nyc.untd.com>
Damnation will be mostly acoustic, slower stuff with no growling. I for one love death metal vocals....at first I didnt like them but after a while you begin to hear the emotion in them. Take In Flames for example....much emotion in the vocals (example: the song reroute to remain)
I just bought Death's Sound of Pers...all I can say is wow...and to think Death played their last show on that tour here in New Orleans, and I couldve been there.
Kurt
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 20:20:27 -0000
From: "Antony Gelberg" <ag@antgel.co.uk>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: OT: SB newsgroup
Message-ID: <016e01c2b29c$64348100$8874ff3e@PULSEDESKTOP>
Hi,
I have created alt.music.spocks-beard. If you are interested in
participating, please ask your news admin to carry the group, and even post
something!
Tony
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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 16:08:01 -0500
From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Re:Opeth Damnation
Message-ID: <000701c2b2a3$091aa630$9b00a8c0@SHETZ>
Funny how damnation sounds a hell of a lot angrier than a title like
deliverance, yet its the opposite =)
I'm sure I'm not the only one that noticed this.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kurt Hampton" <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 3:14 PM
Subject: Re:Opeth Damnation
> Damnation will be mostly acoustic, slower stuff with no growling. I for
one love death metal vocals....at first I didnt like them but after a while
you begin to hear the emotion in them. Take In Flames for example....much
emotion in the vocals (example: the song reroute to remain)
>
> I just bought Death's Sound of Pers...all I can say is wow...and to think
Death played their last show on that tour here in New Orleans, and I couldve
been there.
>
>
> Kurt
>
>
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 21:08:59 +0000
From: Graham Boyle <dream@theater.fsnet.co.uk>
To: Kurt Hampton <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re[2]: Opeth Damnation
Message-ID: <1912538796.20030102210859@theater.fsnet.co.uk>
KH> Damnation will be mostly acoustic, slower stuff with no growling. I for one love death metal vocals....at first I didnt like them but after a while you begin to hear the emotion in them. Take
KH> In Flames for example....much emotion in the vocals (example: the song reroute to remain)
People who dismiss these type of vox as 'cookie monster' are for the
majority short sighted and somewhat ignorant of this great genre.
There are loads of great bands using growling vocals, many of them
more progressive and adventuous than many of the bands discussed here.
The Damnantion stuff has also been described as prog rock in an
interview I read in UK magazine, Terrorizer.
-- Best regards, Graham mailto:dream@theater.fsnet.co.uk------------------------------
Date: 02 Jan 2003 21:54:14 +0000 From: Graham Borland <graham@moonbog.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Opeth Damnation Message-ID: <m3u1gr2p6h.fsf@fry.lan>
Graham Boyle <dream@theater.fsnet.co.uk> writes:
> The Damnantion stuff has also been described as prog rock in an > interview I read in UK magazine, Terrorizer.
Terrorizer is my second favourite music magazine after Classic Rock. They do lots of cool features on bands like Opeth, Lacuna Coil, etc. This magazine very much towards the "heavy" end of the musical spectrum, and is aimed at a slightly younger market, so it complements Classic Rock perfectly.
-- Graham Borland graham@moonbog.net
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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 18:17:23 -0600 From: Michael & Pamela Nazer <mnazer@pressenter.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Ytse 'Ol timers Message-ID: <BA3A32B3.3917%mnazer@pressenter.com>
on 1/2/03 11:37 AM, Al @ Switchcraft at al@isd.net wrote:
> Hark! I hear the wrinkles of Ytse elders echoing through the > halls of Jamster land. It must be these narcotic pain meds > I'm taking. :) No kidding.. I'm healing multiple broken bones > from a little motocross incident back on Oct. 18th I'm now a > member of the "Hardware Club" since I now have four stainless > steel plates and a handful of screws holding my ass together. > > As soon as I'm getting around a little easier, I have another > speaker building project in the works. Since the accident, I've > been a couch potato and have really learned to appreciate > my DVD player. I've decided to integrate home theater into > my main system. So it's processors and amplifiers and bears > Oh my! Oh yeah, and some killer home-brew surrounds. > I already have the woofers. I have the enclosures and crossover > networks designed... Now all I need is the wood to get started. > Sometime during the cabinet construction I'll order the tweeters > and remaining parts to construct the crossovers. > > I'm hoping to have the speakers finished by February so I have > enough time to get my 2-stroke YZ400 freshened up for spring! > Perhaps it's time to pass the torch to my 13 year old son. He > couldn't keep up with his old man last year on the motocross > track, and that's precisely why my ass is held together with > hardware. My 41 year old body don't bounce back like it used > to. :( Oh I'll still ride, but with a higher degree of caution. Doh! > > -- > Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist > ^ > Switchcraft Microsystems > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of > that comes from bad judgment" --Will Rogers
Sorry to hear you have had a rough fall/winter. Hope you heal up soon.
Pam
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 21:10:24 -0500 From: "charles.farrell@tesco.net" <charles.farrell@tesco.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Yet more on bloody Opeth :-) n stuff Message-ID: <146040-220031532102490@M2W056.mail2web.com>
From: Mark Peters <epididymisle@earthlink.net> > > with the jam becoming an Opeth 'love-in' over the last week > > or so, does anyone recall the jam's premier promoter of the > > band, Rogerio from Brazil? > http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/index.html
Oh thanks Mark - that was cool.
> From: "Paul W. Cashman" <pellaz@attbi.com> > > Charlie, welcome (back) aboard the list -- 'twas good to see > ya at ProgPower USA III, too.
Cool to see you again too Paul!
> From: "Antony Gelberg" <ag@antgel.co.uk> > > I haven't read Kerrang or Metal Hammer for about 7 years. Well neither have I, doesn't stop me having a quick flick thru the mags at W.H.Smith, does it? They may be rags, but they do appear to be looking for something else to pick on now that they are all getting a little tired with Nu-Metal.
> When they started giving ridiculous amounts of space to > the likes of Korn and Coal Chamber (where are they now > Kerrang?), Exactly - always were a load of shite
> In particular the extra-large one of White Zombie bassist > Sean Yseult. Ah yes, where is she now? Mind you there are plenty of better looking metal babes around these days, though Sean did have a certain something.
> I am too scared to read Terrorizer, what ??? SUre its full of grotesque artwork advertising the latest thing from hades, but in between you will find that it is by far the best written Metal mag out there (in English anyway). And they don't just cover 'extreeme' stuff - there's a good deal of Power and even prog stuff in there too. That being said I don't buy it every month.
> haven't heard of sex to 9, and don't enjoy a lot of Total > Rock's output, finding it veers much too much towards > poodle perm / mullet / cheese rock for a lot of the time. The cheese metal overload is only between midnight and 3AM, during the week. The rest of the time they mix things up. There are lots of specialist shows, so you have to tune in to the DJ to see whether or not its worth listening. Friday Nights (6PM - 3AM) 3 hours of Melodic death, then 3hrs of Power Metal with Charlie Andrews and another 3 with Zed - and the 9hrs of classic/prog rock between 3PM and Midnight on a Saturday are best
> However, I once phoned up to request "Anthem" by Rush and > they played it straight away which was quite impressive. Sounds like Badger! He's a complete Rush, Dream Theater and Spocks Beard freak - amongst others
Anyway, if you don't check the Magazines or Totalrock for news, how do expect to hear about gigs and exciting new bands - surely not via the ytsejam :-)
anyway the blabbermouth lowdown on the Opeth UK tour
================== Acclaimed Swedish metallers OPETH will embark on a U.K. tour in March.
This trek will be the first of two U.K. tours planned for 2003, and is very specifically geared towards the heavier material featured on the group's recent "Deliverance" CD. The second, yet-to-be-scheduled tour is planned to show the "Damnation" side of OPETH pure bluesy, classic acoustic, beautiful mellowness. Expect venues to be unusual.
Dates for the "Deliverance" U.K. tour are as follows:
Mar. 10 - Portsmouth, UK @ Wedgwood Rooms Mar. 11 - Manchester, UK @ Hop & Grape Mar. 12 - London, UK @ Mean Fiddler Mar. 13 - Exeter, UK @ University Mar. 14 - Glasgow, Garage Mar. 15 - Nottingham, Rock City Mar. 16 - Bradford Rio Mar. 17 - Birmingham Academy Mar. 19 - Dublin, Whelan's
The OPETH alter-ego album, "Damnation", is due for release in March/April 2003. ===========================
Charlie
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 23:13:49 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet <spine@optical.mindstorm.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: my music is better than yours Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10301022311400.12822-100000@optical.mindstorm.com>
You kids may appreciate this:
http://brunching.com/accountingfortaste.html
Rick Audet San Francisco YtseClass of 1996
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Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 00:35:38 -0500 From: WB Henderson <wbhenderson@cs.millersville.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Assorted Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20030102235314.01af34c0@cs.millersville.edu>
>>with the jam becoming an Opeth 'love-in' over the last week or so, does >>anyone recall the jam's premier promoter of the band, Rogerio from Brazil? > >I lost touch with him after we traded tapes a time or two.
I too traded-tapes-with and got-into-Opeth-because-of Mr. Brito. Interesting how these things work. Akerfeldt probably owes him some sort of commission.
>When they started >giving ridiculous amounts of space to the likes of Korn and Coal Chamber >(where are they now Kerrang?)
Unfortunately, both bands are still alive and kicking. At least, such is the case here in the US. Nurock's still got a bit of time yet before it goes belly up.
>People who dismiss these type of vox as 'cookie monster' are for the >majority short sighted and somewhat ignorant of this great genre. >There are loads of great bands using growling vocals, many of them >more progressive and adventuous than many of the bands discussed here.
Well said. There's such a range in growled vocals too: lumping all growlers together is akin to saying KJLB and Axl Rose have the same voice. Or Rob Halford and Ralf Scheepers...alright, forget that last one... In any case, extreme metal vocals are no joke: they are just as legitimate as clean vox. They are, of course, also an acquired taste.
>You kids may appreciate this: >http://brunching.com/accountingfortaste.html
Hehe. It's funny because it's true.
Both a pretentious poseur and a brainwashed marketing slave (and Ytseclass o' 1996), Brian
[NP...Down -- Down II]
============================================= WB Henderson [wbhenderson@cs.millersville.edu] (or, if you prefer / that fails...LycanthropicEye@yahoo.com) =============================================
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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:26:22 -0400 From: "Alexis Ramos" <Aramos@vivienda.gobierno.pr> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Spock's Beard and more Message-ID: <757DAAB5CD7E934CBF86345BF0CD5DF755AAEE@mailserver.vivienda.local>
I just remembered something I hadn't mentioned in my other posts. First, on Spock's Beard's new DVD, specifically on the making of V, there is some bonus live footage which includes a performance of June somewhere in Chicago with a special guest on drums. Do you know who that special guest is??? Well, it happens to be our very own Mr. Mike Portnoy, who plays the song with the Kiss mask on and takes it off at the end. I can't believe nobody had mentioned that before. Also, about SB, Neil is an even more amazing musician than I thought. I hadn't finished watching the whole thing until the other day, and I noticed that the guy even plays drums!!! And quite well if I must add. So he can sing, play keyboards, guitar and drums. This guy is almost a one man band.
I forgot to mention another great release for 2002, Superior's Ultima Ratio. Sorry for having forgotten Bernd!!!
Alexis, ytsejam member since around '93 (when Subconscious was still on sale).
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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:56:34 -0500 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Spock's Beard and more Message-ID: <000b01c2b338$52acc4f0$991e32c8@ROSCABOX>
> Alexis, ytsejam member since around '93 (when Subconscious was still on sale). >
So the jam was already up and running and bootlegs were going around merely months after the release of I&W ? <Johny carson> i didnt know that </johny carson>
Ive been in here since sometime in 94-95, right smack in the middle of one of those Derek is gay threads...
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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 08:42:18 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Re[2]: Opeth Damnation Message-ID: <4642CF49B0BEB44386CA20BD34DC2438811384@hhpech01.healthaxis.dom>
Some of these "people who dismiss these type of vox as 'cookie monster' " actually used to be a FAN of the genre, and still have cassettes of the genre, and no longer care for that type of "singing".
Thank you very much.
JM
-----Original Message----- From: Graham Boyle [mailto:dream@theater.fsnet.co.uk]
KH> Damnation will be mostly acoustic, slower stuff with no growling. I for one love death metal vocals....at first I didnt like them but after a while you begin to hear the emotion in them. Take KH> In Flames for example....much emotion in the vocals (example: the song reroute to remain)
People who dismiss these type of vox as 'cookie monster' are for the majority short sighted and somewhat ignorant of this great genre.
There are loads of great bands using growling vocals, many of them more progressive and adventuous than many of the bands discussed here.
The Damnantion stuff has also been described as prog rock in an interview I read in UK magazine, Terrorizer.
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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 08:46:55 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Re[3]: Opeth Damnation Message-ID: <4642CF49B0BEB44386CA20BD34DC2438811386@hhpech01.healthaxis.dom>
Matter of fact, I am doing some house cleaning this weekend, and it's about time those old cassettes mentioned get properly disposed of. Can use the room :) Bye bye cookie monster vocal cassettes
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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:49:38 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Peterson <razortag@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Opeth album titles Message-ID: <20030103174938.75508.qmail@web10708.mail.yahoo.com>
Someone mentioned that Opeth's new albums Deliverance and Damnation are odd, considering that Deliverance is the heavy album and the more violent-sounding Damnation is actually the mellow one. Seems like a contradiction, but I think I figured it out.
Imagine you're destined to be damned. What's your first reaction? Run! Fight! Flee! Go kicking and screaming!!! Okay, which comes first? Deliverance or Damnation? Well it seems to me that you'd be Delivered to your Damnation. So that also explains why Deliverance came first.
The character, upon finding that he is to be damned, fights it and denys it. (Angry album: Deliverance) Finally, he knows he can't run from his fate and accepts his cursed sentence. (Somber album: Damnation)
Now, granted, I haven't taken any of the lyrics into consideration, but it's fun to think about, isn't it? ;)
- Dave
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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 18:25:01 +0000 From: Graham Boyle <dream@theater.fsnet.co.uk> To: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re[4]: Opeth Damnation Message-ID: <15942812406.20030103182501@theater.fsnet.co.uk>
SJM> Some of these "people who dismiss these type of vox as 'cookie monster' " SJM> actually used to be a FAN of the genre, and still have cassettes of the SJM> genre, and no longer care for that type of "singing".
SJM> Thank you very much.
Well obviously you are ignorant, as you keep using the ridiculous 'cookie monster' term for this genre of music.
Thank you very much.
-- Best regards, Graham mailto:dream@theater.fsnet.co.uk
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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 18:26:45 +0000 From: Graham Boyle <dream@theater.fsnet.co.uk> To: Graham Borland <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re[4]: Opeth Damnation Message-ID: <13942916359.20030103182645@theater.fsnet.co.uk>
Hello Graham,
Thursday, January 2, 2003, 10:15:38 PM, you wrote: GB> Terrorizer is my second favourite music magazine after Classic GB> Rock. They do lots of cool features on bands like Opeth, Lacuna Coil, GB> etc. This magazine very much towards the "heavy" end of the musical GB> spectrum, and is aimed at a slightly younger market, so it complements GB> Classic Rock perfectly.
Classic Rock is okay, but they waste far too much space on rehashed articles and defunked bands. Power Play is a great magazine, but not enough colour. They tend to only review bands on labels that advertise with them.
-- Best regards, Graham mailto:dream@theater.fsnet.co.uk
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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:09:23 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Re[4]: Opeth Damnation Message-ID: <4642CF49B0BEB44386CA20BD34DC24388113EC@hhpech01.healthaxis.dom>
Maybe you never watched "Sesame Street" when younger, so I will grant you that.
-----Original Message----- From: Graham Boyle [mailto:dream@theater.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 12:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re[4]: Opeth Damnation
SJM> Some of these "people who dismiss these type of vox as 'cookie monster' " SJM> actually used to be a FAN of the genre, and still have cassettes of the SJM> genre, and no longer care for that type of "singing".
SJM> Thank you very much.
Well obviously you are ignorant, as you keep using the ridiculous 'cookie monster' term for this genre of music.
Thank you very much.
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