YTSEJAM Digest 6439
Today's Topics:
1) RE: Charlie D.
by "Alexis Ramos" <Aramos@vivienda.gobierno.pr>
2) Stratovarius Tour
by Pasi Sundqvist <sunkka@mbnet.fi>
3) Re: CD prices have fallen?
by "Alexandra O'Connell" <nocalc@yahoo.com>
4) RE: Re[6]: Coooooookie monster vocals
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
5) Re: Stratovarius Tour
by "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com>
6) Re: Re[6]: Coooooookie monster vocals
by "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com>
7) Re:Killing Hand
by Kurt Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
8) Re: ytsejam,Does Size Really Matter ?
by "Dave Schott" <admdave@qis.net>
9) forget G3
by "TREVOR HOIT" <trevorhoit@attbi.com>
10) Re: forget G3
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
11) riiaa lawsuit against verizon to reveal user sharing music
by "Bruce Forst" <bforst@peoplepc.com>
12) Re:Killing Hand
by Peter Geerts <petergee1@yahoo.com>
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:11:16 -0400
From: "Alexis Ramos" <Aramos@vivienda.gobierno.pr>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Charlie D.
Message-ID: <757DAAB5CD7E934CBF86345BF0CD5DF755AAF9@mailserver.vivienda.local>
I think Charlie Dominici has a pretty good voice, although he's nowhere near as good as James. My favorite song off of WDADU certainly has to be Only a Matter of Time, and I think I like it better with CD than with James. But I think that's the only one on which I prefer him over James. I know this might sound blasphemous (sp.?), but CD's voice has always reminded me a little bit of Steve Perry from Journey. I know he's not even close to Steve, but they do sound a bit similar to me. And if you prefer TKH with Charlie on it over James, I really don't know what you're listening to, because that pussy scream Charlie does at the end is one of the worst sounding things I've ever heard.
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:20:31 +0200 (EET)
From: Pasi Sundqvist <sunkka@mbnet.fi>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Stratovarius Tour
Message-ID: <1253.80.248.98.33.1043158831.squirrel@webmail.mbnet.fi>
> From: Peter Geerts <petergee1@yahoo.com>
>
> I'm going to attend the S-X concert in Belgium at the end of March,
> and
since they open for Stratovarius I was wondering if their last
> album is
any good.
I too have tickets for the Stratovarius and Symphony X Tour, I'll be
attending the second show on that tour, in Finland, Kulttuuritalo in
Helsinki. Mr. Tolkki of Stratovarius explains on their website that the
reason for Symphony X playing before Strato is that Strato sells more
albums and the record company tells who plays first.
www.stratovarius.com
Yeah, and the new Symphony X album The Odyssey is very good, better
than the previous one, close to the Divine wings and Twilight. A great
album indeed.
Well, actually the opening act on european tour (other than Finland) is
another finnish group Thunderstone, relatively new but amazingly great
band, similar to Stratovarius in their style. Their web page is
www.thunderstone.org and please note that they rock too so make sure
you arrive at the venue in time :)
I just attended their concert in Helsinki 10th of Jan. and took some
photos. You may view these photos at www.palasokeri.com -webzine but
the article is in finnish language, I'm sorry. Timo Tolkki of
Stratovarius was in the audience...
Pasi
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 07:30:55 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alexandra O'Connell" <nocalc@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: CD prices have fallen?
Message-ID: <20030121153055.19060.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com>
>Such bullshit propaganda.
In the purest sense of the term.
>I might consider that valid... if all the stores near
>me weren't selling standard, domestic CDs for $19+,
>if prices had gone up of other entertainment
-related->to CDs (VHS, for example), and if
manufacturing costs >of CDs hadn't fallen to like,
less than a cent per CD.
My thoughts exactly.
>well i live in nj and theres a store called vintage
>vinyl in woodbridge that is just a reg cd store...
Too bad Woodbridge isn't that close to me. I'd love
to find a big music store with a great selection &
good prices in my area.
>they even have the RA cd for 11.99 i think
I found the RA cd for about $13 in a "mainstream"
store here by me (Englewood, NJ). It's an new band,
so generally they are getting sold cheaper.
However, I'm going to stop thinking about this now,
since it doesn't bode well for my anger management :)
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:35:26 -0600
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Re[6]: Coooooookie monster vocals
Message-ID: <4642CF49B0BEB44386CA20BD34DC243890079D@hhpech01.healthaxis.dom>
Well Graham... we've both been on the list quite a while and I have enough
respect for you not to make this into a big ordeal..
Your mind is made up against the term "cookie monster" vocals, and that's
cool. No sense in my making a big deal over it :)
NP: Silent Voices
JM
-----Original Message-----
From: Graham Boyle [mailto:dream@theater.fsnet.co.uk]
MS> Can someone name other bands whose vocals sound like that? I
MS> still can't figure out what everyone means by "cookie monster
MS> vocals".
There is no such thing as cookie monster vocals.
When I asked Jan-Michael Souter to name the band(s) that he claims had a
singer who
sung like this he didn't answer, so obviously he dosen't have one.
The type of vocals used in extreme metal are most commonly know as
'growling', or in black metal, 'shrieking', or even 'screaming' in some
bands.
Try doing it yourself, it isn't that easy.
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:49:59 -0800
From: "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Stratovarius Tour
Message-ID: <20030121104959.A7093@zero.corp.publichost.com>
They should let the better band headline... and the latest S-X definitely
is a notch better than the latest regurgitated crap from Strato...
-The Doc
0. Pasi Sundqvist <sunkka@mbnet.fi> farted:
> > From: Peter Geerts <petergee1@yahoo.com>
> >
> > I'm going to attend the S-X concert in Belgium at the end of March,
> > and
> since they open for Stratovarius I was wondering if their last
> > album is
> any good.
>
> I too have tickets for the Stratovarius and Symphony X Tour, I'll be
> attending the second show on that tour, in Finland, Kulttuuritalo in
> Helsinki. Mr. Tolkki of Stratovarius explains on their website that the
> reason for Symphony X playing before Strato is that Strato sells more
> albums and the record company tells who plays first.
> www.stratovarius.com
>
> Yeah, and the new Symphony X album The Odyssey is very good, better
> than the previous one, close to the Divine wings and Twilight. A great
> album indeed.
>
>
> Pasi
>
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:52:17 -0800 From: "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Re[6]: Coooooookie monster vocals Message-ID: <20030121105217.B7093@zero.corp.publichost.com>
Gaz just takes offense cause he IS the cookie monster.
Some kind of monster anyways...
-The Doc
0. "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> farted: > Well Graham... we've both been on the list quite a while and I have enough > respect for you not to make this into a big ordeal.. > Your mind is made up against the term "cookie monster" vocals, and that's > cool. No sense in my making a big deal over it :) > > NP: Silent Voices > > JM > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Boyle [mailto:dream@theater.fsnet.co.uk] > > MS> Can someone name other bands whose vocals sound like that? I > MS> still can't figure out what everyone means by "cookie monster > MS> vocals". > > There is no such thing as cookie monster vocals. > > When I asked Jan-Michael Souter to name the band(s) that he claims had a > singer who > sung like this he didn't answer, so obviously he dosen't have one. > > The type of vocals used in extreme metal are most commonly know as > 'growling', or in black metal, 'shrieking', or even 'screaming' in some > bands. > > Try doing it yourself, it isn't that easy.
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:56:20 GMT From: Kurt Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re:Killing Hand Message-ID: <20030121.135657.10093.112467@wm1.nyc.untd.com>
Dunno about anyone else here, but I freakin LOVE the 1996 version thats on the Hollow Years Jap single. The changes that were made (14 minutes! and the way its sung a perfect.
Kurt
Kurt
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:16:27 -0500 From: "Dave Schott" <admdave@qis.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: ytsejam,Does Size Really Matter ? Message-ID: <002d01c2c192$8a6bc5e0$0101a8c0@one>
socks... sickos... damn spell check....
Remember life is hanging in the balance.
-AdmiralDave (admdave@qis.net) http://www.bangarangband.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Schott" <admdave@qis.net> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 11:08 PM Subject: Re: ytsejam,Does Size Really Matter ?
> Its not the size that matters, its how you use it... I'm talking about a > baton of course... Not like that you socks!!! Geez... > > Remember life is hanging in the balance. > > -AdmiralDave > (admdave@qis.net) > http://www.bangarangband.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laurence Lew" <an@yahoo.com> > To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 9:38 PM > Subject: ytsejam,Does Size Really Matter ? > > > > > > > PCEtLUdhdGNoYWxpLS0+PGh0bWw+PGJvZHkgYmdjb2xvcj0jY2NjY2NjPjwhLS1hbi0tPg0KPGRp > > > diBhbGlnbj0iY2VudGVyIj4NCjxjZW50ZXI+DQo8dGFibGUgYm9yZGVyPTAgY2VsbHBhZGRpbmc9 > > > MCB3aWR0aD0iODUlIiBoZWlnaHQ9IjM4NSI+DQo8dHI+IA0KPHRkIGJnY29sb3I9I2NjY2NjYyBo > > > ZWlnaHQ9IjQyNSI+IA0KPHRhYmxlIGJvcmRlcj0xIGJvcmRlcmNvbG9yZGFyaz0jZmZmZmZmIA0K > > > Ym9yZGVyY29sb3JsaWdodD0jODg4ODg4IGNlbGxwYWRkaW5nPTQgY2VsbHNwYWNpbmc9MCANCndp > > > ZHRoPSIxMDAlIj4NCjx0Ym9keT4gDQo8dHI+IA0KPHRkIGFsaWduPXJpZ2h0IGJnY29sb3I9I2Nj > > > Y2NjYyBjb2xzcGFuPTIgaGVpZ2h0PSIyMiI+PCEtLUdhdHRpLS0+IA0KPGRpdiBhbGlnbj0iY2Vu > > > dGVyIj48Zm9udCBjb2xvcj0iI0ZGMDAwMCI+PGI+PGZvbnQgc2l6ZT0iNiI+U0laRSANCkFORCBT > > > VDwhLS1HZWUtLT5BTUlOQSBETyBNQVRURVI8L2ZvbnQ+PC9iPjwvZm9udD48L2Rpdj4NCjwvdGQ+ > > > DQo8L3RyPg0KPHRyPiANCjx0ZCBhbGlnbj1sZWZ0IGJnY29sb3I9I2ZmZmZmZiBjb2xzcGFuPTIg > > > aGVpZ2h0PSIzMTgiPiANCjxwPk1vcmUgVGhhbiBZb3UgQ2FuIFBvc3NpPCEtLUdlb3JnZS0tPmJs > > > eSANCkltYTwhLS1HaGF6emFnaC0tPmdpbmUhISBTaGUgaXMganVzdCB0cnk8IS0tR2lic29uLS0+ > > > aW5nIHRvIHNwYXJlIHlvdXIgZmVlPCEtLUdpbGJlcnQtLT5saW5ncyANCmJ5IHRlbGxpbmcgeW91 > > > IG90aGVyPCEtLUdvZGZyZXktLT53aXNlLiBEPCEtLUdvbnphbGV6LS0+T04nVCBXQUlUIFVOVDwh > > > LS1Hb256YWxlei0tPklMIA0KU0hFIElTIEdPTkUgVE8gRklORCBPVVQgVEhBVCBZT1UgQ09VTDwh > > > LS1Hb3J6b2NoLS0+RE4nVCBTQVRJUzwhLS1Hb3RpY28tLT5GWSANCkhFUiEhISA8L3A+DQo8cCBh > > > bGlnbj0ibGVmdCI+SU5UUk9EPCEtLUdvdHRsaWViLS0+VUNJTkcsIFRIRSBGSVJTVCBBTEwtSU4t > > > T05FICxNYTwhLS1Hb3R0c3RlaS0tPmxlIA0KUGVyZm88IS0tbi0tPnJtYW5jZSBFbmhhPCEtLUdy > > > YW50LS0+bmNlciBBTkQgUGU8IS0tR3JhdS0tPm5pcyBFbmxhPCEtLUdyZWVuZS0tPnJnZW1lbnQu > > > IFdJVEggVEhFIFRSQUQ8IS0tR3JlZW5zcGEtLT5FTUFSS0VEIFNXRUQ8IS0tbi0tPklTSCBJTkdS > > > RTwhLS1Hcm92ZS0tPkRJRU5UIA0KQ0VSTjwhLS1HcnluYmVyZy0tPklUSU4uPC9wPg0KPHAgYWxp > > > Z249ImNlbnRlciI+U3RhbjwhLS1HdWVycmVyby0tPmRhcmQgUmU8IS0tR3lvdG9rdS0tPnN1bHRz > > > IEluY2x1ZGU6PGJyPg0KPGJyPg0KUEVOPCEtLUhhamlhbi0tPklTIEVOTEFSR0VNRTwhLS1IYW1t > > > b25kLS0+TlQ8YnI+DQo9PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PGJyPg0KR0k8IS0tSGFtbW9ucy0tPlJU > > > SDogMC4yNSZxdW90OyB1cCB0byAyJnF1b3Q7PGJyPg0KTEVORzwhLS1IYW4tLT5USDogMSZxdW90 > > > OyB1cCB0byAzLjI1JnF1b3Q7PC9wPg0KPHAgYWxpZ249ImxlZnQiPlRIRSBGSVJTVCBBTkQgT05M > > > WSBQUjwhLS1IYW5kZWxtYS0tPk9EVUNUIE9GIElUJ1MgS0lORC5TUEVDSTwhLS1uLS0+QUwgDQok > > > MzMgUFJJPCEtLUhhcnJpcy0tPkNJTkcgQVZBSTwhLS1IYXJyaXNvbi0tPkxBQkxFIEZPUiBBIExJ > > > PCEtLUhhcnZleS0tPk1JVEVEIA0KVElNRSE8YnI+DQpNSUxMSU9OUyBPRiBCT1RUTEVTIFNPTEQg > > > V09SPCEtLUhhc3NhbnBvLS0+TERXSURFLjwvcD4NCjEwMDwhLS11ci0tPiUgUzwhLS1IYXR0ZXZp > > > ay0tPkFGRSAtIE5PIFNJPCEtLUhhdWctLT5ERSBFRkZFPCEtLUhlY2h0LS0+Q1RTPGJyPg0KMTA8 > > > IS0tSGVpZGVuLS0+MCUgQUxMIE5BPCEtLUhlbmRlcnNvLS0+VFVSQUwgLSBSRUNPTU08IS0tbi0t > > > PkVOREVEIEJZIERPQ1RPPCEtLUhlbmRyeS0tPlJTIA0KV09STDwhLS1IZXNzLS0+RFdJREU8YnI+ > > > DQoxMDwhLS1IaWNrcy0tPjAlIFVOQ09OPCEtLUhpZXRhLS0+RElUSU9OQUwgR1VBUjwhLS1IaWxs > > > LS0+QU5URUU8cD48L3A+DQo8L3RkPg0KPC90cj4NCjx0cj4gDQo8dGQgYmdjb2xvcj0jY2NjY2Nj > > > IGhlaWdodD0iMTUiPiANCjxkaXYgYWxpZ249ImNlbnRlciI+IA0KPHA+PGEgaHJlZj0iaHR0cDov > > > L3d3dy5mdW5kYW1lbnRhbGJ1c2luZXNzLm5ldC9PRVc5R0szSURKRy9pbmRleC5odG1sIj5DTDwh > > > LS1IaWxsLS0+SUNLIA0KSEU8IS0tSGlwb2xpdG8tLT5SRSBUTyBGSU5EIE9VVCBIT1cgVE8gUkVD > > > RTwhLS1IaXJzY2gtLT5JVkUgWU9VUiBGUjwhLS1Iby0tPkVFIA0KMSBNT05UPCEtLUhvYW5nLS0+ > > > SCBTVVBQWSBXSVRIIFQ8IS0tSG9sbHl3b28tLT5ISVMgSU5UUk9EVTwhLS1kLS0+Q1RPUlkgT0ZG > > > RVIhITwvYT48L3A+DQo8L2Rpdj4NCjwvdGQ+DQo8L3RyPg0KPC90Ym9keT4gDQo8L3RhYmxlPg0K > > > PC90ZD4NCjwvdHI+DQo8L3RhYmxlPg0KPC9jZW50ZXI+DQo8L2Rpdj48L2JvZHk+DQo8L2h0bWw+ > > PCEtLUhvbHpzY2h1LS0+ > > > >
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:38:11 -0800 From: "TREVOR HOIT" <trevorhoit@attbi.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: forget G3 Message-ID: <003301c2c195$660533a0$f7a2eb0c@attbi.com>
Does anyone else think it's not all about guitarists? How about a K3 show with say Rudess, Kuprij and Johannson? Would anyone else like to see that? Just sayin', Trevor ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:52:34 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: forget G3 Message-ID: <004401c2c19f$c9a72350$9b00a8c0@SHETZ>
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Or how about D3 with Donati, Portnoy and Peart? Or something to that effect...
----- Original Message ----- From: TREVOR HOIT To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 4:54 PM Subject: forget G3
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 19:25:46 -0600 From: "Bruce Forst" <bforst@peoplepc.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: riiaa lawsuit against verizon to reveal user sharing music Message-ID: <001301c2c1b5$326f6e00$ccc50b3f@oemcomputer>
Reprinted from http://www.internetnews.com/xSP/article.php/1572591
i feel we must stay informed on this issue. Bruce
January 21, 2003 Court: Verizon Must Reveal Name of Alleged Online Pirate By Roy Mark
In a significant victory for the music industry in its ongoing legal battle with file-swapping services, a U.S. district court Tuesday ruled Verizon must comply with a subpoena by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) requesting the name of a subscriber who allegedly made available more than 600 copyrighted music files over the Internet.
Within hours, Verizon announced it would appeal the decision, saying the ruling "will have a chilling effect on private communications, such as e-mail, surfing the Internet or the sending of files between private parties."
Citing provisions in the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), the RIAA in August asked a federal district court in Washington, D.C., to enforce the subpoena, which seeks information related to "a computer connected to the Verizon network that is a hub for significant music piracy." The motion said Verizon is the only entity that can identify the infringer behind the computer.
Verizon had refused to comply with the subpoena, arguing it didn't think the subpoena request met the circumstances that the DMCA allows for in compelling information in order to protect against piracy. Verizon contended the subpoena related to material transmitted over Verizon's network, but not stored on it, and thus fell outside the scope of the subpoena power authorized in the DMCA.
In ruling in the RIAA's favor, the court concluded, "that the subpoena power .. applies to all Internet service providers within the scope of the DMCA, not just to those service providers storing information on a system or network at the direction of a user."
Cary Sherman, president of the RIAA, said, "We appreciate the court's decision, which validates our interpretation of the law. The illegal distribution of music on the Internet is a serious issue for musicians, songwriters and other copyright owners, and the record companies have made great strides in addressing this problem by educating consumers and providing them with legitimate alternatives."
Sherman added, "Now that the court has ordered Verizon to live up to its obligation under the law, we look forward to contacting the account holder whose identity we were seeking so we can let them know that what they are doing is illegal."
In announcing it would appeal the decision, Sarah B. Deutsch, vice president and associate general counsel for Verizon, said, "The court's decision has troubling ramifications for consumers, service providers and the growth of the Internet. It opens the door for anyone who makes a mere allegation of copyright infringement to gain complete access to private subscriber information without the due process protections afforded by the courts."
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 23:59:52 -0800 (PST) From: Peter Geerts <petergee1@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re:Killing Hand Message-ID: <20030122075952.31431.qmail@web20810.mail.yahoo.com>
--- Kurt Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com> wrote: > Dunno about anyone else here, but I freakin LOVE the 1996 version > thats on the Hollow Years Jap single. The changes that were made (14 > minutes! and the way its sung a perfect.
Ah! Shows that my research could have been better... Didn't know about that version. Gonna have to find it somewhere...
By the way anybody got an opinion about the new Swedish band called Pagan's Mind? I read some raving reviews, but they weren't exactly from a prog point of view so...
Peter
NP (next purchase): Kamelot - Epica
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