YTSEJAM Digest 6435
Today's Topics:
1) Disappear
by "Stephen Gervois" <sgervois@atmel.fr>
2) Re: Disappear
by Mark Peters <epididymisle@earthlink.net>
3) RE: Disappear
by "Alexis Ramos" <Aramos@vivienda.gobierno.pr>
4) Re: Disappear
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
5) Re: Vocal Styles
by Brian Kirk <bkirk@dendrite.net>
6) Re: Vocal Styles
by Gary M Gettier <ravens515@comcast.net>
7) Re: Disappear
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
8) CD prices have fallen?
by "Alexandra O'Connell" <nocalc@yahoo.com>
9) Re: CD prices have fallen?
by "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com>
10) Re: CD prices have fallen?
by SymphonyXtasy@aol.com
11) Re: Dark City...
by schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
12) Re: Fanclub membership
by Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:57:57 +0100
From: "Stephen Gervois" <sgervois@atmel.fr>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Disappear
Message-ID: <027301c2bdfe$265458c0$3cff9f0a@pc0099>
>Does anyone else think this somg is absolutely brilliant? The layers, and
>singing, everything is so emotional. I know it gets slated a lot, just
>wondering if anyone out there has any taste. ;-)
I do !!!
The emotional build up all through the song is amazing.
Strange thing is it was the song I disliked the most on my first listen and
now it's far from last !!
It's one of those brilliantly composed songs that have the knack to grow on
you.
Ok back to lurk mode ;)
A Carbon Based Life Form
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 03:47:15 -0600
From: Mark Peters <epididymisle@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Disappear
Message-ID: <3E27D123.B9379D6@earthlink.net>
From: "Antony Gelberg":
> Does anyone else think this somg is absolutely brilliant? The layers, and
> singing, everything is so emotional. I know it gets slated a lot, just
> wondering if anyone out there has any taste. ;-)
I love the tune, and have loved it since I first heard it. I wonder why
they didn't play it live? Or did they play it, and I didn't hear about
it?
Mark
PS - Hey Graham (Boyle) - how would you describe Glen Benton's (from
Deicide) vocals? He growls and shrieks at times. Also, how would you
rate him as compared to some others you like? Thanks for any reply you
give.
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:12:54 -0400
From: "Alexis Ramos" <Aramos@vivienda.gobierno.pr>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Disappear
Message-ID: <757DAAB5CD7E934CBF86345BF0CD5DF755AAF7@mailserver.vivienda.local>
I agree with those who think Disappear is an awesome song. I love its dark mood, its time changes despite the fact that it's a slow "ballad" type song, its lyrics and the melodies. I think it's a perfect song. And I really don't think that Jordan ever wanted or needed to sound like Kevin. Why would he feel the need to do that? He's an awesome keyboardist with his own peculiar style who's not under anybody's shadow, IMO. The song does have a Kevin feel, but I really don't think it came about as an effort to imitate his sound.
Alexis
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:49:00 -0500
From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Disappear
Message-ID: <000701c2be37$9251fa80$991e32c8@ROSCABOX>
It may not be jordan trying to sound like kev, but im sure it was a concious
effort by the band in the songwriting stage to get back to the subdued sound
and atmosphere of the awake/kevmo days...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexis Ramos" <Aramos@vivienda.gobierno.pr>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 8:21 AM
Subject: RE: Disappear
> I agree with those who think Disappear is an awesome song. I love its
dark mood, its time changes despite the fact that it's a slow "ballad" type
song, its lyrics and the melodies. I think it's a perfect song. And I
really don't think that Jordan ever wanted or needed to sound like Kevin.
Why would he feel the need to do that? He's an awesome keyboardist with his
own peculiar style who's not under anybody's shadow, IMO. The song does
have a Kevin feel, but I really don't think it came about as an effort to
imitate his sound.
>
> Alexis
>
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:44:53 -0600
From: Brian Kirk <bkirk@dendrite.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Vocal Styles
Message-ID: <3E2824F5.6010602@dendrite.net>
>
> Can someone name other bands whose vocals sound like that? I
> still can't figure out what everyone means by "cookie monster
> vocals".
>
> - Ilia.
Amorphis is about half clean vox, half growling. There are MP3s of two
of their songs here http://musica.mustdie.ru/en/band/amorphis/505/
"Better Unborn" has a short growling (aka "Cookie Monster") section at
the beginning, but the rest of the song is clean. "Against Windows" has
a bit more growling in it.
I couldn't stand cookie monster vocals until someone sent me some
Amorphis in one the Ytsejam tape trades of years past. If you're
wanting to test the water before jumping into the deep end, Amorphis
might make a good starting point.
Hope this helps.
-B
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:54:42 -0500
From: Gary M Gettier <ravens515@comcast.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Vocal Styles
Message-ID: <011e01c2be40$c04384f0$143a1bac@ACAB2K10>
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_Always..._ by The Gathering changed it all for me. Before that, I could not tolerate the vocal style. I'm still very particular about what growls I like and don't like though. This vocal style is used ad nauseum. Its out of control.
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Kirk
To: Multiple recipients of list
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Vocal Styles
>
> Can someone name other bands whose vocals sound like that? I
> still can't figure out what everyone means by "cookie monster
> vocals".
>
> - Ilia.
Amorphis is about half clean vox, half growling. There are MP3s of two
of their songs here http://musica.mustdie.ru/en/band/amorphis/505/
"Better Unborn" has a short growling (aka "Cookie Monster") section at
the beginning, but the rest of the song is clean. "Against Windows" has
a bit more growling in it.
I couldn't stand cookie monster vocals until someone sent me some
Amorphis in one the Ytsejam tape trades of years past. If you're
wanting to test the water before jumping into the deep end, Amorphis
might make a good starting point.
--Boundary_(ID_L3w5fw7r/bETCHsh7N2rqg)
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:41:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Disappear
Message-ID: <20030117174136.99512.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com>
I thought Disappear was one of the better songs on
that release, and originally, I thought it was Kevin
Mooreish... Then I heard Radiohead/OK Computer, and
realized it was "inspired" by Radiohead...
Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca> wrote:
> However, I found that disappear was (flame wars will
begin here
> probably) Jordan's way of trying to sound like
Kevin. While I think he made a
> great song, the song doesn't sound like Jordan...
Antony Gelberg wrote:
> Does anyone else think this somg is absolutely
brilliant? The
> layers, and singing, everything is so emotional. I
know it gets slated a lot,
> just wondering if anyone out there has any taste.
;-)
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:16:27 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alexandra O'Connell" <nocalc@yahoo.com>
To: teof@yahoogroups.com, ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: CD prices have fallen?
Message-ID: <20030117191627.17615.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com>
I offer this for your edification, amusement,
ridicule, or any combination of the above:
http://www.riaa.org/News_Story.cfm?id=555
Alex
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:41:29 -0800
From: "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: CD prices have fallen?
Message-ID: <20030117114129.A32374@zero.corp.publichost.com>
HAhahha... I love it... I can buy a DVD for the same price of most CD's nowadays.
Such bullshit propaganda.
-The Doc
0. Alexandra O'Connell <nocalc@yahoo.com> farted:
> I offer this for your edification, amusement,
> ridicule, or any combination of the above:
>
> http://www.riaa.org/News_Story.cfm?id=555
>
> Alex
>
>
> ===
> "That's what us guys tend to really enjoy doing. Nothing too dangerous although there were some broken bones along the way."
>
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:47:05 EST From: SymphonyXtasy@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: CD prices have fallen? Message-ID: <194.13b2df7f.2b59b7b9@aol.com>
I might consider that valid... if all the stores near me weren't selling standard, domestic CDs for $19+, if prices had gone up of other entertainment -related- to CDs (VHS, for example), and if manufacturing costs of CDs hadn't fallen to like, less than a cent per CD.
I hate you, RIAA.
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 16:42:32 -0500 (EST) From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Dark City... Message-ID: <m18ZeG0-003HDfC@mail.interzone.com>
> >From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> >Just a personal opinion here, but Spawn was one of only two movies I have >ever walked out of at the theater. I think the other movie was "dark city" >or something there abouts. Mileage will vary! >
Never saw Spawn, but "Dark City" was wonderful, imho. It's a sci-fi film-noir with beautiful cinematography and good tension in the plot. The premise is very strange, hence the 'noir', but I really enjoyed it. I've seen it a couple times now and I caught quite a few things that I missed the first time through. It's one of the best 'non-standard' sci-fi movies of the 90s.
Steve
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 23:40:00 -0800 From: Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Fanclub membership Message-ID: <BA4DC92C.5A9B%schansen@cts.com>
If you wanna find out if your subscription expired, e-mail John van Empel at empel32@zonnet.nl as he handles subscriptions. For those of you still wanting to join, AFAIK, you still can get the latest issue of ToD and the CD - but don't wait too long!
Scott
In a mind-blowing e-mail sent on the extremely historic date of 1/16/03 11:39 PM, ytsejam@torchsong.com thusly spaketh:
> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:21:16 -0500 > From: "HJ Rivera" <hrivera@crp.org> > To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> > Subject: RE: Membership > Message-ID: <EGEIJAKNLNKPLAHMKAIPKEIODHAA.hrivera@crp.org> > > Email dtifc@yahoo.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of > Jason L. Gelnett > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:00 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Membership > > > How do I know if my membership for the fan club has run out. I can't > remember when I joined, and I don't want to miss out on the CD. Anyway, > any idea as to who I should ask, or how to check??
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