YTSEJAM digest 6497

From: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Date: Sat Mar 22 2003 - 21:17:49 EST

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    Today's Topics:

      1) new DS?
     by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
      2) Re: war, war, war
     by stan tyszka <soculese@bellatlantic.net>
      3) Re: new DS?
     by Kgahjah1@aol.com
      4) open letter to all non-americans
     by "Bruce Forst" <bforst@peoplepc.com>
      5) Re: open letter to all non-americans
     by "James Arin Colberg" <JamesArin@attbi.com>
      6) Re: open letter to all non-americans
     by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
      7) Re: Gold Badge
     by Chris <ccooney@comcast.net>
      8) Re: SPOILERS: Symph X live here!
     by Chris <ccooney@comcast.net>
      9) Re: War! War! War!
     by MaxArbot@aol.com
     10) Re: War! War! War!
     by MaxArbot@aol.com
     11) Gold Badge
     by Barbara Battaglia <babs4@frontiernet.net>
     12) Re: War! War! War!
     by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
     13) Re: SPOILERS: Symph X live here!
     by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
     14) Re: War! War! War!
     by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net>
     15) Re: war, war, war
     by Eduardo Ojeda <PuppiesOnAcid@softhome.net>
     16) Re: war, war, war
     by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net>

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    Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 11:15:21 -0500
    From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
    To: ytsejam newsletter <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
    Subject: new DS?
    Message-ID: <011301c2f08e$3cb4a850$9b00a8c0@SHETZ>

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    I was just reading on Inside Out Music's website about the new Derek
    Sherinian. This dude makes lots of albums in short periods of time, this
    one being his second solo album, then there was the three Planet X
    discs.
    This one has Yngwie, DiMeola and Lukather on it. It's got my
    attention...
    Anyone know a release date? Anyone gonna get it?

    IIVII..$
    --e=A2][-][=F826--
    =3D)

    http://www.angelfire.com/music5/sandman

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    Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 11:38:38 -0500
    From: stan tyszka <soculese@bellatlantic.net>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Re: war, war, war
    Message-ID: <BBDFD442-5C84-11D7-B229-000393C6BDE2@bellatlantic.net>

    when the hell is war EVER legal. I understand diplomacy and the UN,
    but let's get real here. The guy is getting what he deserves here. He
    should have been removed from power 12 years ago, a mistake we won't
    make twice. Most of the country may not be overtly happy about it, but
    I think on a whole everyone agrees that this man needs to be removed
    from power at a minimum. I don't want to turn this into a huge flame
    war but think twice before putting the words legal and war in the same
    sentence next to each other. Andreas, are we to take your comment
    about more September 11's as a threat? Did you know that our country
    actively pursues folks who make suggestive comments like that? Does
    the American security machine now need to keep closer tabs on you? I
    know the whole world suffers from the perils of terrorism, Bottom line
    is that our country decided to spearhead a coalition of forces to seek
    it out and remove it in an effort to reduce it's likelihood of
    occurring in the future. It makes me sleep a bit better at night. Now
    back to the music, Dream Theater RULES. Anyone wondering what they are
    thinking about all of this, will there be a song with media clips from
    all of this? Will we be getting a song with a theme related to all of
    this? One can only wonder. Are you listening Mike????

    Stna

    On Saturday, March 22, 2003, at 11:09 AM, ytsejam@torchsong.com wrote:

    >
    > After this illegal war brought upon Iraq by the Bush junta, you will
    > surely get more Sep 11s than you might imagine now.

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    Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 11:42:27 EST
    From: Kgahjah1@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Re: new DS?
    Message-ID: <31.35f09c01.2badec73@aol.com>

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    the release date is april 22, 2003. if you check his web site, it will tell
    you more details. i got a news letter awhile back that tells how you can
    order an advance copy for $20 that is autographed, but has no cover art.if
    you're interested, i can forward this to you.
    jacko

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    Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 12:15:41 -0600
    From: "Bruce Forst" <bforst@peoplepc.com>
    To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
    Subject: open letter to all non-americans
    Message-ID: <000b01c2f09f$14c33940$d55bea43@oemcomputer>

    This is an open letter to the many non-americans we have on the list.

    Hey, there... been a long time reader of this list, over ten years I think.
    I know that there are lots of people here from all parts of the world. Its
    like Eric Johnson says "Music is the heartbridge gateway to all peoples".
    Dream Theater transcends stupid boundaries of nations and speaks to us all
    as human beings. Because after all, we are all human. We forget that
    sometimes.

    What is happening here in America is kinda scary. We have a right wing
    faction that has gained considerable control of the government and a decent
    majority of the media. They are using religious language, appealing to the
    "us vs. them" mentality and using the attacks of 9/11 and the fear of
    terrorism to solidify their political power. They are speading the lies
    about Iraq to justify their war, demonizing the French for defying the US at
    the UN, and shouting down anybody that questions their "dear president".
    There's lots of misinformation being spread about so that's why many
    Americans are saying so many ridiculous things. Many people seem to think
    that just because we were attacked that we can run around the world ignoring
    other nations and attacking third world countries so we can "feel safe". At
    the same time the government is attacking our civil rights, running the
    government into debt, and weakening our legal protections. All in the name
    of security.

    But there is hope. Many americans are standing up to Bush and his
    fundamentalist army and they are from all walks of life. We value our
    freedoms more than we fear the terrorists. We do not all think that one
    American life justifies the taking of a thousand other lives. And we realize
    that freedom comes from self determination, not external coercion. We know
    Saddam is a tyrant, but you don't not stop a tyrannt with your own brand of
    tyranny. We helped put him in power and many others like him all over the
    world in our fight against "communism". Now we will create more Saddams in
    our fight against "terrorism". Many U.S. christians are living more like
    Christ and less like Jerry Falwell. And we know that War is not Peace. When
    governments fight, soldiers die.

    Thank you, please respond in private so others dont have to be troubled with
    reality.

    Bruce

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    Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 15:14:38 -0500
    From: "James Arin Colberg" <JamesArin@attbi.com>
    To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>, <bforst@peoplepc.com>
    Subject: Re: open letter to all non-americans
    Message-ID: <001e01c2f0af$ae279d50$6401a8c0@SERVER>

    If you want people to "please respond in private so others don't have to be
    troubled with reality" then don't bring it here in the first place! You
    make a statement that purports to speak for the majority of the American
    people and then basically tell people they should not respond to the list.
    Again don't bring it here in the first place. You don't speak for us all,
    you don't speak for me! Again don't bring it here in the first place. I
    will not respond to any claims you have made in this post whether I agree
    with you or not. Again don't bring it here in the first place. There are
    plenty of forums out there for these topics to be discussed and as well as
    they should be. You have the right to your own opinion but please take it
    elsewhere so we can enjoy this list for what it was meant 'Dream Theater and
    related topics.' Below is the introduction to the Ytsejam mailing list that
    everyone gets when they subscribe:

    "Welcome to YTSEJAM, the Dream Theater mailing list! This list
    is for fans of Dream Theater, and will discuss them and any
    related topics. (Related topics include other progressive
    metal bands like Fates Warning, King's X, Crimson Glory,
    Superior, Lemur Voice, Event, etc.)

    Topics that are considered non-related include religion, politics,
    abortion, etc. If a non-related thread lasts for too long,
    the list managers may issue a warning, followed by suspension
    or expulsion from the list.

    Also the list managers reserve the right to reject messages,
    unsubscribe users, etc. This list is paid for by the managers
    and it is a privilege, not a right, to be part of it."

    Thanks,
    Jim

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Bruce Forst" <bforst@peoplepc.com>
    To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
    Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 1:37 PM
    Subject: open letter to all non-americans

    > This is an open letter to the many non-americans we have on the list.
    >
    > Hey, there... been a long time reader of this list, over ten years I
    think.
    > I know that there are lots of people here from all parts of the world. Its
    > like Eric Johnson says "Music is the heartbridge gateway to all peoples".
    > Dream Theater transcends stupid boundaries of nations and speaks to us all
    > as human beings. Because after all, we are all human. We forget that
    > sometimes.
    >
    > What is happening here in America is kinda scary. We have a right wing
    > faction that has gained considerable control of the government and a
    decent
    > majority of the media. They are using religious language, appealing to the
    > "us vs. them" mentality and using the attacks of 9/11 and the fear of
    > terrorism to solidify their political power. They are speading the lies
    > about Iraq to justify their war, demonizing the French for defying the US
    at
    > the UN, and shouting down anybody that questions their "dear president".
    > There's lots of misinformation being spread about so that's why many
    > Americans are saying so many ridiculous things. Many people seem to think
    > that just because we were attacked that we can run around the world
    ignoring
    > other nations and attacking third world countries so we can "feel safe".
    At
    > the same time the government is attacking our civil rights, running the
    > government into debt, and weakening our legal protections. All in the name
    > of security.
    >
    > But there is hope. Many americans are standing up to Bush and his
    > fundamentalist army and they are from all walks of life. We value our
    > freedoms more than we fear the terrorists. We do not all think that one
    > American life justifies the taking of a thousand other lives. And we
    realize
    > that freedom comes from self determination, not external coercion. We know
    > Saddam is a tyrant, but you don't not stop a tyrannt with your own brand
    of
    > tyranny. We helped put him in power and many others like him all over the
    > world in our fight against "communism". Now we will create more Saddams in
    > our fight against "terrorism". Many U.S. christians are living more like
    > Christ and less like Jerry Falwell. And we know that War is not Peace.
    When
    > governments fight, soldiers die.
    >
    > Thank you, please respond in private so others dont have to be troubled
    with
    > reality.
    >
    > Bruce
    >

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    Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 15:51:32 -0500
    From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Re: open letter to all non-americans
    Message-ID: <013a01c2f0b4$d1f99710$9b00a8c0@SHETZ>

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    That being said time and time again... who's got some DT news?

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: James Arin Colberg
      To: Multiple recipients of list
      Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 3:38 PM
      Subject: Re: open letter to all non-americans

      If you want people to "please respond in private so others don't have to be
      troubled with reality" then don't bring it here in the first place! You
      make a statement that purports to speak for the majority of the American
      people and then basically tell people they should not respond to the list.
      Again don't bring it here in the first place. You don't speak for us all,
      you don't speak for me! Again don't bring it here in the first place. I
      will not respond to any claims you have made in this post whether I agree
      with you or not. Again don't bring it here in the first place. There are
      plenty of forums out there for these topics to be discussed and as well as
      they should be. You have the right to your own opinion but please take it
      elsewhere so we can enjoy this list for what it was meant 'Dream Theater and
      related topics.' Below is the introduction to the Ytsejam mailing list that
      everyone gets when they subscribe:

      "Welcome to YTSEJAM, the Dream Theater mailing list! This list
      is for fans of Dream Theater, and will discuss them and any
      related topics. (Related topics include other progressive
      metal bands like Fates Warning, King's X, Crimson Glory,
      Superior, Lemur Voice, Event, etc.)

      Topics that are considered non-related include religion, politics,
      abortion, etc. If a non-related thread lasts for too long,
      the list managers may issue a warning, followed by suspension
      or expulsion from the list.

      Also the list managers reserve the right to reject messages,
      unsubscribe users, etc. This list is paid for by the managers
      and it is a privilege, not a right, to be part of it."

      Thanks,
      Jim

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Bruce Forst" <bforst@peoplepc.com>
      To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
      Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 1:37 PM
      Subject: open letter to all non-americans

    > This is an open letter to the many non-americans we have on the list.
    >
    > Hey, there... been a long time reader of this list, over ten years I
      think.
    > I know that there are lots of people here from all parts of the world. Its
    > like Eric Johnson says "Music is the heartbridge gateway to all peoples".
    > Dream Theater transcends stupid boundaries of nations and speaks to us all
    > as human beings. Because after all, we are all human. We forget that
    > sometimes.
    >
    > What is happening here in America is kinda scary. We have a right wing
    > faction that has gained considerable control of the government and a
      decent
    > majority of the media. They are using religious language, appealing to the
    > "us vs. them" mentality and using the attacks of 9/11 and the fear of
    > terrorism to solidify their political power. They are speading the lies
    > about Iraq to justify their war, demonizing the French for defying the US
      at
    > the UN, and shouting down anybody that questions their "dear president".
    > There's lots of misinformation being spread about so that's why many
    > Americans are saying so many ridiculous things. Many people seem to think
    > that just because we were attacked that we can run around the world
      ignoring
    > other nations and attacking third world countries so we can "feel safe".
      At
    > the same time the government is attacking our civil rights, running the
    > government into debt, and weakening our legal protections. All in the name
    > of security.
    >
    > But there is hope. Many americans are standing up to Bush and his
    > fundamentalist army and they are from all walks of life. We value our
    > freedoms more than we fear the terrorists. We do not all think that one
    > American life justifies the taking of a thousand other lives. And we
      realize
    > that freedom comes from self determination, not external coercion. We know
    > Saddam is a tyrant, but you don't not stop a tyrannt with your own brand
      of
    > tyranny. We helped put him in power and many others like him all over the
    > world in our fight against "communism". Now we will create more Saddams in
    > our fight against "terrorism". Many U.S. christians are living more like
    > Christ and less like Jerry Falwell. And we know that War is not Peace.
      When
    > governments fight, soldiers die.
    >
    > Thank you, please respond in private so others dont have to be troubled
      with
    > reality.
    >
    > Bruce
    >

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    Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 16:13:17 -0500
    From: Chris <ccooney@comcast.net>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Re: Gold Badge
    Message-ID: <02b901c2f0b7$dbee3ca0$4ca85444@shlb1201.mi.comcast.net>

    > > You and me both. :) I'm very excited for ProgPower
    > >(and a Symphony X North American tour to follow...)
    >
    > Hey Christin, ever been to PP before? It's a total
    > blast. Though the tequila there is lethal, I hear...
    > ahem...

        Just Chris (webmail gets kind of screwy) :) I was at Prog Power last
    year, and it was indeed a total blast. :) I didn't drink all that much
    though. It was a terrific line up and I enjoyed almost all of the sets.

    > A lot of other people are looking forward to that SX
    > tour also. :)

        Of course. :) I just saw them but I'm going through total withdrawal
    already.

    > ----
    > >I look forward to almost getting to hang out with you
    > >again......hehe
    >
    > LOL! Well, Kez, if you weren't always so busy looking
    > for that damn umbrella, we might have actually gotten
    > to hang out. Though based on last year's experience
    > you may want to practice sign language ;)
    >
    > >Now just start saving cash for cd's!!
    >
    > ..tell me about it. Too many things to save $ for,
    > too little $...

        I spent way too much money on cds there last year! This year I'm going
    to try to tone it down. :)

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    Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 16:38:00 -0500
    From: Chris <ccooney@comcast.net>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Re: SPOILERS: Symph X live here!
    Message-ID: <02e501c2f0bb$501fb100$4ca85444@shlb1201.mi.comcast.net>

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
    Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 1:15 PM
    Subject: SPOILERS: Symph X live here!

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    > WHOA... that's all I can say.
    > Third time SX has come here in the last three days: makes me wonder why
    > DT hasn't been here (Montreal, Canada)...
    > I saw them back in '01 (not the touring with Blind Guardian show), and
    > this was my second time seeing them.
    > Before we get to the setlist... SX is great live. Pinnella (keys) could
    > really use a volume adjustment... his lead effects
    > are hard to hear. Romeo interacted with the crowd this time and shook
    > some hands. Good ol' Russell Allen is great live as always,
    > pulls off all high notes flawlessly and is always good humored. Rullo on
    > the drums is like watching a freakin' machine... watching him
    > Lacrymosa was just eye and ear candy! LePond is also a nutty bassist, he
    > can fingertap about as fast as Romeo can!

        No kidding! I love to watch him play. Actually I love to watch all of
    them play, but bass has kind of always been my thing and it's also usually
    easier to get close on his side than Michael Romeo's. :)

        Dream Theater should get to Montreal, because they would love it. You
    guys are awesome. :) I'm from Detroit and I went to Montreal for that SX
    show, and it was one of the best crowds I've had the pleasure to be a part
    of. Quebec City was pretty sweet for Dream Theater, but I think this crowd
    was even better than that.

    > Now on to the good news (in no particular order):
    > Inferno (Unleash The Fire)
    > Wicked
    > Church Of The Machine
    > Communion & the Oracle
    > Accolade 1
    > Accolade 2
    > Evolution: The Grand Design
    > Out of the Ashes
    > Star Wars jamming, bass / guitar question & answer
    > Sea Of Lies
    > Egypt

        Also King of Terrors, Smoke and Mirrors, and The Death of Balance. :)

    > encore:
    > Of Sins and Shadows
    > Awakenings

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    Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 17:23:05 EST
    From: MaxArbot@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Re: War! War! War!
    Message-ID: <2b.3bd39875.2bae3c49@aol.com>

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    Eduardo Ojeda <PuppiesOnAcid@softhome.net> said:
    > When did the world elected the US to be its leader? I sure as hell didn't
    vote.

    You know what sucks? I did vote in the US election, and I did vote for the
    winner. But, guess what? His name wasn't George W. Bush.

    [eriC]
    <A HREF="http://metzae.net/">http://metzae.net/>

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    Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 17:27:33 EST
    From:
    MaxArbot@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Re: War! War! War!
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    "Glenn Ely" <gely@austin.rr.com> said:
    > 9/11 wasn't enough of a wake-up call for us I guess,
    > gotta have a few more, huh?

    I'm sorry...did you watch a different news station than I did? Maybe Fox
    News? I don't remember Saddam having anything to do with 9/11. But, since you
    mention it, I guess it makes sense to take out countries with the potential
    to do harm. So, I think it's time all of America just nuked itself, because
    we've got enough chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons to screw the whole
    world. But, we have God on our side...we're not going to do anything wrong,
    right?

    [eriC]
    <A HREF="http://metzae.net/">http://metzae.net/>

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    Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 17:38:33 -0500
    From: Barbara Battaglia <
    babs4@frontiernet.net>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Gold Badge
    Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20030322173833.0083fba0@pop3.frontiernet.net>

    I'll be there too guys! So maybe this year I can actually have lunch with
    Sarah! I remember meeting Alex and Kez last year too!

    BABS

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    Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 18:24:54 -0500
    From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Re: War! War! War!
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    Sounds good. A little nuking is a good country-resetter. Just don't nuke Canada, I kinda live here.
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: MaxArbot@aol.com
      To: Multiple recipients of list
      Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 5:40 PM
      Subject: Re: War! War! War!

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      "Glenn Ely" <gely@austin.rr.com> said:
    > 9/11 wasn't enough of a wake-up call for us I guess,
    > gotta have a few more, huh?

      I'm sorry...did you watch a different news station than I did? Maybe Fox
      News? I don't remember Saddam having anything to do with 9/11. But, since you
      mention it, I guess it makes sense to take out countries with the potential
      to do harm. So, I think it's time all of America just nuked itself, because
      we've got enough chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons to screw the whole
      world. But, we have God on our side...we're not going to do anything wrong,
      right?

      [eriC]
      <A HREF="http://metzae.net/">http://metzae.net/>

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    Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 18:24:13 -0500
    From: Mike Shetzer <
    echo26@videotron.ca>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Re: SPOILERS: Symph X live here!
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    Late reply hm?
    Yeah, I agree, Montreal metal / prog heads have been increasing in volume lately, and the scene seems to be getting bigger every time I head to a show. This symph X show (and the last one with Blind Guardian) were pretty sold out.
    As for the DT comment, I agree they would have a blast here, but the issue of them coming here is quite simple. There are plenty of little clubs and such here and there. If DT played there, it would be a mad zoo. No breathing room whatsoever. I doubt any of the big arenas or auditorium places (which house all sorts of pop bands and stuff) would pay DT enough for it to be worth it for them to come here. Most of the NON little local club people haven't even heard of DT. So it's more that they need a bigger place than the little clubs Opeth, Planet X, Flower Kings and Symphony X play at, but not such a big place that they will lose money playing there.
    You were in town just for SX? I'm touched :)
    Next time you are in (like Flower Kings? they're here in June), email me, I'll show you around the lovely 'burg!
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      From: Chris
      To: Multiple recipients of list
      Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 4:40 PM
      Subject: Re: SPOILERS: Symph X live here!

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      From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
      To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
      Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 1:15 PM
      Subject: SPOILERS: Symph X live here!

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    > WHOA... that's all I can say.
    > Third time SX has come here in the last three days: makes me wonder why
    > DT hasn't been here (Montreal, Canada)...
    > I saw them back in '01 (not the touring with Blind Guardian show), and
    > this was my second time seeing them.
    > Before we get to the setlist... SX is great live. Pinnella (keys) could
    > really use a volume adjustment... his lead effects
    > are hard to hear. Romeo interacted with the crowd this time and shook
    > some hands. Good ol' Russell Allen is great live as always,
    > pulls off all high notes flawlessly and is always good humored. Rullo on
    > the drums is like watching a freakin' machine... watching him
    > Lacrymosa was just eye and ear candy! LePond is also a nutty bassist, he
    > can fingertap about as fast as Romeo can!

          No kidding! I love to watch him play. Actually I love to watch all of
      them play, but bass has kind of always been my thing and it's also usually
      easier to get close on his side than Michael Romeo's. :)

          Dream Theater should get to Montreal, because they would love it. You
      guys are awesome. :) I'm from Detroit and I went to Montreal for that SX
      show, and it was one of the best crowds I've had the pleasure to be a part
      of. Quebec City was pretty sweet for Dream Theater, but I think this crowd
      was even better than that.

    > Now on to the good news (in no particular order):
    > Inferno (Unleash The Fire)
    > Wicked
    > Church Of The Machine
    > Communion & the Oracle
    > Accolade 1
    > Accolade 2
    > Evolution: The Grand Design
    > Out of the Ashes
    > Star Wars jamming, bass / guitar question & answer
    > Sea Of Lies
    > Egypt

          Also King of Terrors, Smoke and Mirrors, and The Death of Balance. :)

    > encore:
    > Of Sins and Shadows
    > Awakenings

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    Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 19:16:28 -0500
    From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Re: War! War! War!
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    OK, can you take this somewhere else and stop being a retard?

    At 05:40 PM 3/22/2003, you wrote:

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    >"Glenn Ely" <gely@austin.rr.com> said:
    > > 9/11 wasn't enough of a wake-up call for us I guess,
    > > gotta have a few more, huh?
    >
    >I'm sorry...did you watch a different news station than I did? Maybe Fox
    >News? I don't remember Saddam having anything to do with 9/11. But, since you
    >mention it, I guess it makes sense to take out countries with the potential
    >to do harm. So, I think it's time all of America just nuked itself, because
    >we've got enough chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons to screw the whole
    >world. But, we have God on our side...we're not going to do anything wrong,
    >right?
    >
    >[eriC]
    ><A HREF="http://metzae.net/">http://metzae.net/>
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    Damon Fibraio, email dfibraio@comcast.net
    Musician, broadcaster, computer technician, and troublemaker
    aol instant messenger screenname: dfibraio MSN Messenger screenname: 
    dfibraio@comcast.net Yahoo messenger name: Damon_m_f
    Band sites: Visions: http://www.visions692000.com: Mystify: 
    http://www.mystify2001.com
    Personal web site: http://www.damonfibraio.com
    Listen to no Holds Barred Radio. Go to our site at http://www.nhbradio.com
    "Celebrate the moment, As it turns into one more
    Another chance at victory, Another chance to score
    The measure of the moment, Is a difference of degree
    Just one little victory, A spirit breaking free
    One little victory"--Neil Peart of Rush
    "Seize the day, and don't you cry, now it's time to say goodbye
    Even though, I'll be gone, I will live on."--Dream Theater, A Change of Seasons 
    

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    Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 20:28:43 -0300 From: Eduardo Ojeda <PuppiesOnAcid@softhome.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: war, war, war Message-ID: <p05100300baa29e7a2b8b@[216.244.255.26]>

    Wow, it seems some of you americans actually BELIEVE all that crap! Tell you what: The rest of the world doesn't. Your country didn't decide to spearhead anything, because these wars are not about terrorism. They are about the economic interests of a few. Terrorism is just the perfect excuse to justify this blatant expansionist agression in front of the american public opinion. And it seems so far, it is working very well.

    BTW, do you know who put Saddam in power? The US. You know who put the Taliban in power? The US. You know who created Osama Bin Laden? The US. Don't come tell me now you are trying to free the world of them. There are many more extremist dictatorships responsible of state terrorism in the world. Most of them happen to be sponsored by the US government (for example Pakistan, or Kuwait). And tell me, why doesn't the US attack Israel? After all they are invading Palestine (sp?), a soberan country.

    >Andreas, are we to take your comment >about more September 11's as a threat? Did you know that our country >actively pursues folks who make suggestive comments like that? Does >the American security machine now need to keep closer tabs on you?

    So you recognize you are living under "Big Brother"-like government control, and you are happy about it? You've got problems.

    Excuse the harshness of this message, but these are harsh times. I wish, I really wish I could refrain myself of using the Ytsejam to discuss non-DT things. But I can't. This issue touches me way too deeply to just leave these kind of comments unanswered.

    - Edu

    >when the hell is war EVER legal. I understand diplomacy and the UN, >but let's get real here. The guy is getting what he deserves here. He >should have been removed from power 12 years ago, a mistake we won't >make twice. Most of the country may not be overtly happy about it, but >I think on a whole everyone agrees that this man needs to be removed >from power at a minimum. I don't want to turn this into a huge flame >war but think twice before putting the words legal and war in the same >sentence next to each other. I know the whole world suffers from the >perils of terrorism, Bottom line is that our country decided to >spearhead a coalition of forces to seek >it out and remove it in an effort to reduce it's likelihood of >occurring in the future.

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    Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 20:49:39 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: war, war, war Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030322204904.00b97c18@mail.comcast.net>

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    Where's your proof, big guy? Since you are so emotional about it, bordering on irrational, show me proof that this is all about economics. Come on. I dare you.

    At 08:42 PM 3/22/2003, you wrote:

    >Wow, it seems some of you americans actually BELIEVE all that crap! >Tell you what: The rest of the world doesn't. Your country didn't >decide to spearhead anything, because these wars are not about >terrorism. They are about the economic interests of a few. Terrorism >is just the perfect excuse to justify this blatant expansionist >agression in front of the american public opinion. And it seems so >far, it is working very well. > >BTW, do you know who put Saddam in power? The US. You know who put >the Taliban in power? The US. You know who created Osama Bin Laden? >The US. Don't come tell me now you are trying to free the world of >them. There are many more extremist dictatorships responsible of >state terrorism in the world. Most of them happen to be sponsored by >the US government (for example Pakistan, or Kuwait). And tell me, why >doesn't the US attack Israel? After all they are invading Palestine >(sp?), a soberan country. > > >Andreas, are we to take your comment > >about more September 11's as a threat? Did you know that our country > >actively pursues folks who make suggestive comments like that? Does > >the American security machine now need to keep closer tabs on you? > >So you recognize you are living under "Big Brother"-like government >control, and you are happy about it? You've got problems. > >Excuse the harshness of this message, but these are harsh times. I >wish, I really wish I could refrain myself of using the Ytsejam to >discuss non-DT things. But I can't. This issue touches me way too >deeply to just leave these kind of comments unanswered. > >- Edu > > >when the hell is war EVER legal. I understand diplomacy and the UN, > >but let's get real here. The guy is getting what he deserves here. He > >should have been removed from power 12 years ago, a mistake we won't > >make twice. Most of the country may not be overtly happy about it, but > >I think on a whole everyone agrees that this man needs to be removed > >from power at a minimum. I don't want to turn this into a huge flame > >war but think twice before putting the words legal and war in the same > >sentence next to each other. I know the whole world suffers from the > >perils of terrorism, Bottom line is that our country decided to > >spearhead a coalition of forces to seek > >it out and remove it in an effort to reduce it's likelihood of > >occurring in the future.

    -- Damon Fibraio, email dfibraio@comcast.net Musician, broadcaster, computer technician, and troublemaker aol instant messenger screenname: dfibraio MSN Messenger screenname: dfibraio@comcast.net Yahoo messenger name: Damon_m_f Band sites: Visions: http://www.visions692000.com: Mystify: http://www.mystify2001.com Personal web site: http://www.damonfibraio.com Listen to no Holds Barred Radio. Go to our site at http://www.nhbradio.com "Celebrate the moment, As it turns into one more Another chance at victory, Another chance to score The measure of the moment, Is a difference of degree Just one little victory, A spirit breaking free One little victory"--Neil Peart of Rush "Seize the day, and don't you cry, now it's time to say goodbye Even though, I'll be gone, I will live on."--Dream Theater, A Change of Seasons

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