YTSEJAM Digest 6499
Today's Topics:
1) Re: OSI possible spoiler
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
2) Re: open letter to all non-americans
by "James Arin Colberg" <JamesArin@attbi.com>
3) Politics and War...BAH!
by James <imroadie@yahoo.com>
4) war
by "TREVOR HOIT" <trevorhoit@attbi.com>
5) RE: war
by "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
6) Re: open letter to all non-americans
by Heike =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=F6deker <heike.boedeker@netcologne.de>
7) VOTE: Discuss war on this mailing list or not?
by Dave Peterson <razortag@yahoo.com>
8) Re: war
by Kgahjah1@aol.com
9) Re: VOTE: Discuss war on this mailing list or not?
by Dave Peterson <razortag@yahoo.com>
10) Re: OSI possible spoiler
by Kgahjah1@aol.com
11) Re: VOTE: Discuss war on this mailing list or not?
by Dave Peterson <razortag@yahoo.com>
12) RE: OSI possible spoiler
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
13) jammin' on ebay
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
14) RE: jammin' on ebay
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
15) Sound good??
by "Joseph Smith" <tptblo@hotmail.com>
16) Re: jammin' on ebay
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
17) RE: Sound good??
by "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
18) You know what this is about ...
by Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@dreamt.org>
19) Re: Gwar! Gwar! Gwar!
by "Jay Omega" <jomega@integraonline.com>
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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 20:55:16 -0500
From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: OSI possible spoiler
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Yep, he's serious! I actually like the floyd cover very much! Can't say I've heard the original, but the spaciness is very Porcupine Tree-y and sinister, while maintaining a throbbing sort of trippiness that carries the song slowly. The 20 minute song is also cool, I like the fretless bass action on the When You're Ready section. Sean malone is greatness!
----- Original Message -----
From: Damon Fibraio
To: Multiple recipients of list
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: OSI possible spoiler
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Are you serious? Wow.
At 07:38 PM 3/23/2003, you wrote:
> >I actually just bought this, and I only got the single disc version. What's
> >on the extra CD, if there is a 2 disc set?
>
>A Pink Floyd cover ("Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun"), a short
>tune with some samples from a "Rambo" movie, and a monster 20-minute
>instrumental demo that eventually evolved into about half the songs on disc 1.
>
>Brian
>
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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:33:17 -0500
From: "James Arin Colberg" <JamesArin@attbi.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>, <heike.boedeker@netcologne.de>
Subject: Re: open letter to all non-americans
Message-ID: <006701c2f1b6$1e3b2650$6401a8c0@SERVER>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Heike =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=F6deker" <heike.boedeker@netcologne.de>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 5:38 AM
Subject: Re: open letter to all non-americans
> "James Arin Colberg" <JamesArin@attbi.com> wrote in reply to "Bruce Forst"
> <bforst@peoplepc.com>:
> >If you want people to "please respond in private so others don't have to
> >be troubled with reality" then don't bring it here in the first place!
>
> Guess you didn't get the irony of his statement *so others don't have to
be
> troubled with reality*...
That statement basically says if I don't want to hear this on the list I
"don't want to be troubled by reality". I am "troubled by reality" and to
suggest that if I don't want to discuss this here I don't care about what is
going on is a pretty shitty thing to do.
> >You make a statement that purports to speak for the majority of the
> >American people
>
> Just for the record, as careful reading easily revealed, the only
occurence
> of "majority" in his posting was in "We have a right wing faction that has
> gained considerable control of the government and a decent majority of the
> media."
Just for the record, as careful reading easily revealed, all of these
statements puport to speak for more than just Bruce Forst:
"Many people seem to think that just because we were attacked that we can
run around the world ignoring other nations and attacking third world
countries so we can "feel safe"."
"Many americans are standing up to Bush and his fundamentalist army and they
are from all walks of life."
"We value our freedoms more than we fear the terrorists."
"We do not all think that one American life justifies the taking of a
thousand other lives."
"And we realize that freedom comes from self determination, not external
coercion."
"We know Saddam is a tyrant, but you don't not stop a tyrannt with your own
brand of tyranny."
"We helped put him in power and many others like him all over the world in
our fight against "communism"."
"Now we will create more Saddams in our fight against "terrorism"."
"Many U.S. christians are living more like Christ and less like Jerry
Falwell."
"And we know that War is not Peace."
> >You don't speak for us all, you don't speak for me!
>
> Now, he didn't pretend to speak for all Americans. I'd hope that
> governments and their followers would stop speaking for others, too. But
> maybe that's the basic fault of democracy.
The point being that he was not speaking for just himself. I will not speak
to that last jab at "the basic fault of democracy" as again I say this is
not the right place for that discussion. :^)
Take care,
Jim
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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 19:51:34 -0800 (PST)
From: James <imroadie@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Politics and War...BAH!
Message-ID: <20030324035134.8332.qmail@web40106.mail.yahoo.com>
I have been on the Jam for a long time, since near the
beginning. I don't post much, but love to read the
posts about OFB, but I am this -> <- close to
unsubscribing til the war is over unless all these
useless, off-topic posts stop.
I read the jam, and listen to DT to get AWAY from this
crap! Can we drop it and get back to what this list is
about, or should I just unsub?
Sorry for the rant,
James aka Roadie
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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 21:15:23 -0800
From: "TREVOR HOIT" <trevorhoit@attbi.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: war
Message-ID: <004401c2f1c4$5fb9eea0$f7a2eb0c@attbi.com>
Canada has decided to help the USA with Iraq.
It was announced today that Canada is now prepared to help the U.S. in
it's war against terrorism.
They have promised to commit 2 of their largest battleships, 6000 armed
troops and 600 fighter jets.
However, after the exchange rate, that comes down to:
1 Canoe
2 Mounties
1 Flying Squirrel
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:23:41 +1100
From: "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: war
Message-ID: <OPEJJAPFDGDMCLAHLLIMAEEBCOAA.ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of
> TREVOR HOIT
> Sent: Monday, 24 March 2003 4:21 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: war
>
> 1 Flying Squirrel
Hey Rocky, watch me pull a chemical warhead out of my hat!
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 07:40:10 +0100
From: Heike =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=F6deker <heike.boedeker@netcologne.de>
To: "James Arin Colberg" <JamesArin@attbi.com>, <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: open letter to all non-americans
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030324073323.00a95870@pop3.netcologne.de>
At 22:33 23.03.03 -0500, James Arin Colberg wrote:
>Just for the record, as careful reading easily revealed, all of these
>statements puport to speak for more than just Bruce Forst:
Yep, he speaks of "many" and "we", but not of "most". Now, while "most"
implies "many" except with very small groups, the reverse doesn't hold :-))
Actually, one may wish for people speaking for themselves, OTOH he still is
right in so far there very well are quite a few US citizens who are of
these opinions.
Best,
Heike
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 04:09:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Peterson <razortag@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: VOTE: Discuss war on this mailing list or not?
Message-ID: <20030324120909.73292.qmail@web10706.mail.yahoo.com>
I've been on this list since 1994 and I love my Ytsejam. The initial rules of
the Ytsejam do state explicitly that there should be no politics discussed on
this list. Yet, at times like this, the war is on so many people's minds that
I feel perhaps the 'jam's "discussors of war" might have a strong point. The
only way to prevent war on this planet is to communicate.
So, Ytsejam, I propose a vote:
Should we discuss it on the list or not?
I'll be happy to keep track of the vote myself and I'll close the voting and
post the results at noon on Tuesday (Eastern time - USA).
To vote:
Send an e-mail to me (razortag@yahoo.com) with a SUBJECT of either:
Discuss war: YES
or
Discuss war: NO
Anything written in the body of the e-mail will be ignored.
*** If the vote is YES, please keep the discussions CIVIL and avoid any
namecalling and other childishness. Also, please put a [WAR] tag on the
subject of all e-mails so they can be immediately identified as such.
*** If the vote is NO, then absolutely, positively, NO MENTION OF WAR ON THIS
LIST!!!
Frankly, I don't care either way. I get my fill of war discussions on the Pain
of Salvation list. ;)
Finally, I'm not the moderator of this list (is it still Skadz?), so ultimately
what he says goes. I'm just interested in getting the list's opinion and
hopefully ending any resentment on the list.
Peace.
- Dave "Dr. Teeth" Peterson
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 07:27:23 EST
From: Kgahjah1@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: war
Message-ID: <1da.5d880b1.2bb053ab@aol.com>
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agian? that trick never works.
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 04:34:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Peterson <razortag@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: VOTE: Discuss war on this mailing list or not?
Message-ID: <20030324123454.39914.qmail@web10703.mail.yahoo.com>
Eh, let's make it noon on Wednesday. No need to rush this. I'd like to get a
decent amount of participants voting here.
Thanks!
- Dave
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 07:58:58 EST
From: Kgahjah1@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: OSI possible spoiler
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when you're ready is my favorite song on this cd. shut down is also great.
the mood of this whole album is so moody and dark. i even got my niece to
take out her good charlot out and play this. she's going to media play this
comming weekend to buy osi.
i get two people hooked, they get two people hooked, and so on...
does any one know if it's true that mike wasn't happy w/ the whole sound/vibe
of osi or is that just ugly rumour?
jacko
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 05:12:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Peterson <razortag@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: VOTE: Discuss war on this mailing list or not?
Message-ID: <20030324131218.42866.qmail@web10707.mail.yahoo.com>
Within minutes of my posting of this, I received a vote where they didn't
follow instructions. Please put your vote IN THE SUBJECT LINE!!!
Discuss war: NO
or
Discuss war: YES
Thanks. *Sigh*
- Dave
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 07:49:33 -0600
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: OSI possible spoiler
Message-ID: <4642CF49B0BEB44386CA20BD34DC2438C6190B@hhpech01.healthaxis.dom>
Kevin Moore's solo material (Chroma Key) is much softer than this OSI
release and waayyy more experimental. His stuff is way out there. But if
that's your bag, grab it. :)
-----Original Message-----
From: Kgahjah1@aol.com [mailto:Kgahjah1@aol.com]
i just got the OSI release in the limited edition package. i think it is
unbelievable. i can't stop listening to it.
i can't remember who the proposed vocalist was (sorry for this), but i think
kevin's voice just sets the mood for these songs. The songs remind me of
several groups that are not considered prog rock. i don't want to say too
much about the sound, except to say that it is not a clone of any previous
MP
project and i hope they do another album w/in the next year or two.
can anyone tell me if this cd is anything like kevins' solo music? i have to
admit that the only thing i know about chromo key is that kevin is in it.
jacko
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:02:10 -0500
From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
To: ytsejam newsletter <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: jammin' on ebay
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If anyone is interested I am selling 3 ps2 games (one of which I hardly
ever play so its sort of a bonus to the auction) on eBay (Devil may cry
2, baldur's gate and Ephemeral Fantasia). If you're interested, please
check it out, so far no bids, and the games are all in great condition.
If any of you decide to bid, please email me and tell me who you are,
for liking DT you get charged less for shipping :P
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3D11321&item=3D301
4627100&rd=3D1
IIVII..$
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http://www.angelfire.com/music5/sandman
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:20:08 -0600
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: jammin' on ebay
Message-ID: <4642CF49B0BEB44386CA20BD34DC2438C6196C@hhpech01.healthaxis.dom>
Hey do you have that new beach volley ball one with the bikini girls? I'd
buy that one lol
j/k (I know it's another game system -- ease up ;)
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Shetzer [mailto:echo26@videotron.ca]
If anyone is interested I am selling 3 ps2 games (one of which I hardly
ever play so its sort of a bonus to the auction) on eBay (Devil may cry
2, baldur's gate and Ephemeral Fantasia). If you're interested, please
check it out, so far no bids, and the games are all in great condition.
If any of you decide to bid, please email me and tell me who you are,
for liking DT you get charged less for shipping :P
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3D11321&item=3D301
4627100&rd=3D1
IIVII..$
--e=A2][-][=F826--
=3D)
http://www.angelfire.com/music5/sandman
NP: SILENT VOICES !!
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:30:28 -0600
From: "Joseph Smith" <tptblo@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Sound good??
Message-ID: <BAY1-F71zw05mIUiJW500010ca1@hotmail.com>
Damn, sometimes I wish the US would just close it's borders tight, stop all
imports and exports, stop giving money to anyone else in the world and say,
"Bye, good luck!" to everyone else. Wonder what the world would look like
then?
If we had done that during WWII, many if not all of you would be speaking
German and the rest of you would probably be dead.
Before bashing the US gov't, find out how much aid our gov't. gives yours,
how many of you immigrants are prospering here now and the many other ways
"that damn US gov't." has helped your country. Some of you make me sick!
JOE
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:12:07 -0500
From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: jammin' on ebay
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If I had that one, I'd be playing it alone in the weee hours of the night :)
----- Original Message -----
From: Souter, Jan-Michael
To: Multiple recipients of list
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 11:47 AM
Subject: RE: jammin' on ebay
Hey do you have that new beach volley ball one with the bikini girls? I'd
buy that one lol
j/k (I know it's another game system -- ease up ;)
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Shetzer [mailto:echo26@videotron.ca]
If anyone is interested I am selling 3 ps2 games (one of which I hardly
ever play so its sort of a bonus to the auction) on eBay (Devil may cry
2, baldur's gate and Ephemeral Fantasia). If you're interested, please
check it out, so far no bids, and the games are all in great condition.
If any of you decide to bid, please email me and tell me who you are,
for liking DT you get charged less for shipping :P
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3D11321&item=3D301
4627100&rd=3D1
IIVII..$
--e=A2][-][=F826--
=3D)
http://www.angelfire.com/music5/sandman
NP: SILENT VOICES !!
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Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:18:29 +1100
From: "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Sound good??
Message-ID: <OPEJJAPFDGDMCLAHLLIMGEEFCOAA.ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
For crying in a bucket. The jam allows off topic stuff so as to be a more
diverse, interesting place to be. For the most part, this consists of lots
of other bands being talked about, which is great. However, I didn't join
this list way back when to listen to a bunch of people yell at each other
about Iraq, etc. For the first time ever, The Mirror seems like it might be
a better choice than the jam.
So here's what I'd like to see happen. There are twenty billion message
boards on the net, and I'm sure that for a lot of them, talking about this
crap is actually on topic. If those don't suit, you follow what happened
with the MP forum. People there got the shits with the non stop threads
about religion and politics, and other threads being hijacked by those
topics. So the people that wanted to talk about that stuff went off and
created their own board.
Your very own war flame list is but a click to yahoo groups away.
Now for something worthwhile.
Are there any aussies that are going to be at the Opeth concert in Sydney? I
know Karyn is coming :P
Niall
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Date: 24 Mar 2003 19:16:29 -0500
From: Ryan P Skadberg <skadz@dreamt.org>
To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: You know what this is about ...
Message-ID: <1048551389.24602.211.camel@codewarrior.stigmata.org>
So, sssssshhhhh now :)
no more war talk, please. Let's keep our happy little family happy and
talk about music, rather than politics :)
Skadz
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:35:30 -0600 From: "Jay Omega" <jomega@integraonline.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Gwar! Gwar! Gwar! Message-ID: <005601c2f266$c79d5c80$92337a40@Poland>
OK, I really have nothing to say about Gwar. But if I would have, at least it would have been on topic.
--Jay "has no smarmy quote here this time" Omega --NP: Gordian Knot - Emergent ('Singing Deep Mountain' rocks hugely.)
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