YTSEJAM Digest 6501
Today's Topics:
1) Question about Japanese version of 6 Degrees...
by Chris <crowtoo@earthlink.net>
2) Re: Sound good??
by "Karyn Hamilton" <littlewenda@hotmail.com>
3) re: Flamewar history
by progordie@gmx.de
4) Re: Flamewar history
by "Antony Gelberg" <ag@antgel.co.uk>
5) POLL RESULTS ARE IN!!!
by Dave Peterson <razortag@yahoo.com>
6) Re: POLL RESULTS ARE IN!!!
by "Antony Gelberg" <ag@antgel.co.uk>
7) OSI recommendations
by "Alexis Ramos" <Aramos@vivienda.gobierno.pr>
8) Re: Gold Badge
by "Alexandra O'Connell" <nocalc@yahoo.com>
9) Re: Gold Badge
by Christin Cooney <ccooney@comcast.net>
10) Re: Flamewar history
by "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com>
11) Portnoy Clinics
by "Dan Costello" <Iluvatar@twcny.rr.com>
12) Re: Flamewar history
by "Antony Gelberg" <ag@antgel.co.uk>
13) auction almost over...
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
14) Re: Flamewar history
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
15) Re: Flamewar history
by "Antony Gelberg" <ag@antgel.co.uk>
16) RE: Flamewar history
by "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
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Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 22:48:50 -0500
From: Chris <crowtoo@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Question about Japanese version of 6 Degrees...
Message-ID: <3E812322.E501033E@earthlink.net>
If anyone out there has the japanese version of 6 Degrees Of Inner
Turbulence with the bonus track I have a question for you.
Is the radio edit version of Solitary Shell the same as the one on Six
Degrees Of Radio Edits that was sent to fan club members? If it is
different, what's different about it?
Thanks,
Chris
crowtoo@earthlink.net
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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 17:44:22 +1000
From: "Karyn Hamilton" <littlewenda@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Sound good??
Message-ID: <BAY2-F41fdxB7l9OtRD00004452@hotmail.com>
That's a good question, Mike; I do recall thinking one of the tracks sounded
oddly cut-off (though after knowing 'Pull Me Under' that's not necessarily
so strange). I'd check, but I mysteriously cannot find the spindle of cd's
it's hiding in. I accuse my father, in the living room, with the random
tidying manouvre. I'll have another listen when I find it. :-P
-- Karyn
>Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 17:13:11 -0500
>From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
>To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
>Subject: Re: Sound good??
>
>I also gave in to my own impatience and grabbed Damnation off some p2p
>networks. Good album... I think one track is incomplete though... how long
>is your track #4?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Karyn Hamilton
> Subject: RE: Sound good??
>
>
> Indeed I am. I also have a *cough* early copy of Damnation which I'll
>put in a plug for, I'm impressed with their latest offering :-) Being as I
>am of the ilk which prefers the clean-vocalled Opeth, Damnation is very
>much to my taste. I'm looking forward to the show :-)
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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:24:27 +0100 (MET)
From: progordie@gmx.de
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: re: Flamewar history
Message-ID: <22282.1048670667@www32.gmx.net>
>whatever happened to the guy that toughed out George Faber and the raging
>old vs new ACoS debates? and who could ever forget
>sloppyjoe69, or the debates inspired by Arash(onmyass)
>endlessly flogging Empty Tremor?
Get a life and open your mind !
I remember back in 1996 when I wrote something about SyX, most people said
they suck. Why because they didn't heard them before.
Now everyone loves them.
Arash
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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:55:51 -0000 From: "Antony Gelberg" <ag@antgel.co.uk> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Flamewar history Message-ID: <00f001c2f37d$e2753970$1900a8c0@Loanprocessing.co.uk>
----- Original Message ----- From: <progordie@gmx.de> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 9:39 AM Subject: re: Flamewar history
> >whatever happened to the guy that toughed out George Faber and the raging > >old vs new ACoS debates? and who could ever forget > >sloppyjoe69, or the debates inspired by Arash(onmyass) > >endlessly flogging Empty Tremor? > > Get a life and open your mind ! > > I remember back in 1996 when I wrote something about SyX, most people said > they suck. Why because they didn't heard them before. > Now everyone loves them. > > Arash
I think they suck. Badly. And I have heard quite a lot of their stuff. So perhaps _you_ should open your mind and not think you are speaking for everyone.
T
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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 05:30:26 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Peterson <razortag@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: POLL RESULTS ARE IN!!! Message-ID: <20030326133026.26932.qmail@web10701.mail.yahoo.com>
I'm not going to have access to the 'net at noon, so I thought I'd end the voting a little early. Believe me - a couple of hours won't make a difference.
Discuss War: NO (15 votes) Discuss War: YES (4 votes, including me)
The 'jam has spoken, so ALL WAR DISCUSSIONS ON THE YTSEJAM SHOULD END NOW!!! Period!
- Dave
(If you still feel the need to discuss every little aspect of the war, go to one of the 1,000,000+ sites on the net that are happy to hear what you have to say) Word.
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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:47:47 -0000 From: "Antony Gelberg" <ag@antgel.co.uk> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: POLL RESULTS ARE IN!!! Message-ID: <00b301c2f39e$493d6d60$1900a8c0@Loanprocessing.co.uk>
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Peterson" <razortag@yahoo.com> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 1:43 PM Subject: POLL RESULTS ARE IN!!!
> I'm not going to have access to the 'net at noon, so I thought I'd end the > voting a little early. Believe me - a couple of hours won't make a difference. > > Discuss War: NO (15 votes) > Discuss War: YES (4 votes, including me) > > The 'jam has spoken, so ALL WAR DISCUSSIONS ON THE YTSEJAM SHOULD END NOW!!! > Period! > > - Dave
It would have made no difference anyway. The list has rules and that's it. Skadz said a few days ago that the war discussions should end.
T
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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:57:03 -0400 From: "Alexis Ramos" <Aramos@vivienda.gobierno.pr> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: OSI recommendations Message-ID: <757DAAB5CD7E934CBF86345BF0CD5DF755AB0D@mailserver.vivienda.local>
Well, the only recommendations I can think of if you like OSI are the latest Fates Warning album "Disconnected" and Chroma Key (I only have the first one, Dead Air for Radios). CK is a lot less heavy than OSI, but there's still a lot of similarities. I personally like the OSI album quite a bit, although I have to be in the mood to listen to it. Did anybody notice that some of the videos on disc 2 are out of sync?
I recently ordered 3 cds which I am anxiously awaiting: the new Devin Townsend Band (it's finally available), the new Racer X and the new Marty Friedman. I'll post my comments on them once I get them.
To those of you that are Racer X fans, how does Superheroes compare to Technical Difficulties? I still need to get Superheroes. And I also saw that they have a new live album out. Does it cover mostly new material or does it include older stuff? And how does it compare to their first live album, which I think is brilliant?
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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 06:34:28 -0800 (PST) From: "Alexandra O'Connell" <nocalc@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Gold Badge Message-ID: <20030326143428.71806.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com>
> Just Chris (webmail gets kind of screwy) :)
Indeed, it can. Sorry about that, I was just copying what I saw on the screen!
>I was at Prog Power last year, and it was indeed a >total blast. :) I didn't drink all that much >though. It was a terrific line up and I enjoyed >almost all of the sets.
Hm. Well, actually my tequila comment was a reference to my own experience with that beverage last year... I didn't really drink over the weekend, but joined a group in birthday shots, and suffice it to say I will never have tequila again. It almost, but not quite, took the Threshold carpet out from underneath me, metaphorically speaking. :) I enjoyed all the sets that I was inside for, the rest I enjoyed buying CDs during ;)
>I spent way too much money on cds there last year! >This year I'm going to try to tone it down. :)
I spent way too much also... the scary part was, I didn't get all the CDs that I wanted to buy!!
--- >I remember meeting Alex and Kez last year too!
Hey Babs! If you hadn't signed your email, I would never have known it was you from the email address... :)
Damn! still Wednesday,
Alex
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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:18:59 -0500 From: Christin Cooney <ccooney@comcast.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Gold Badge Message-ID: <72498272011d.72011d724982@icomcast.net>
----- Original Message ----- From: Alexandra O'Connell <nocalc@yahoo.com> Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 10:06 am Subject: Re: Gold Badge
> > Just Chris (webmail gets kind of screwy) :) > > Indeed, it can. Sorry about that, I was just copying > what I saw on the screen!
No apologies needed!
> >I was at Prog Power last year, and it was indeed a > >total blast. :) I didn't drink all that much > >though. It was a terrific line up and I enjoyed > >almost all of the sets. > > Hm. Well, actually my tequila comment was a reference > to my own experience with that beverage last year... I > didn't really drink over the weekend, but joined a > group in birthday shots, and suffice it to say I will > never have tequila again. It almost, but not quite, > took the Threshold carpet out from underneath me, > metaphorically speaking. :) I enjoyed all the sets > that I was inside for, the rest I enjoyed buying CDs > during ;)
I love margaritas, so I've been careful never to have one of those awful tequila experiences. I've heard people say that the mere smell of tequila makes them feel sick. :) I watched all of the sets, although one of them about put me to sleep. Threshold was my favorite band there and I'll thank Glenn forever for bringing them over!
> >I spent way too much money on cds there last year! > >This year I'm going to try to tone it down. :) > > I spent way too much also... the scary part was, I > didn't get all the CDs that I wanted to buy!! Neither did I!
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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:08:00 -0800 From: "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Flamewar history Message-ID: <20030326100800.A30017@zero.corp.publichost.com>
0. Antony Gelberg <ag@antgel.co.uk> farted: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <progordie@gmx.de> > To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 9:39 AM > Subject: re: Flamewar history > > > > >whatever happened to the guy that toughed out George Faber and the raging > > >old vs new ACoS debates? and who could ever forget > > >sloppyjoe69, or the debates inspired by Arash(onmyass) > > >endlessly flogging Empty Tremor? > > > > Get a life and open your mind ! > > > > I remember back in 1996 when I wrote something about SyX, most people said > > they suck. Why because they didn't heard them before. > > Now everyone loves them. > > > > Arash > > I think they suck. Badly. And I have heard quite a lot of their stuff. So > perhaps _you_ should open your mind and not think you are speaking for > everyone.
Which sucks worse to you though, S-X or Empty Tremor?
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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 15:02:08 -0500 From: "Dan Costello" <Iluvatar@twcny.rr.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Portnoy Clinics Message-ID: <BOEAJJBDNFPALMNMJONIGEKDCCAA.Iluvatar@twcny.rr.com>
Hey, Portnoy's doing some drum clinics for Daddy's Junky Music in May - Syracuse is the 19th. :-)
-Dan.
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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 23:22:32 -0000 From: "Antony Gelberg" <ag@antgel.co.uk> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Flamewar history Message-ID: <00fe01c2f3ee$94120490$4c809bd9@PULSEDESKTOP>
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 6:22 PM Subject: Re: Flamewar history
> Which sucks worse to you though, S-X or Empty Tremor?
Never heard Empty Tremor, but their name sucks. ;-)
T
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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 16:08:56 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca> To: ytsejam newsletter <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: auction almost over... Message-ID: <019501c2f3ee$db9b4fb0$9b00a8c0@SHETZ>
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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 19:46:01 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Flamewar history Message-ID: <01ab01c2f3fa$3d428b60$9b00a8c0@SHETZ>
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They're an italian (I think... it's been a while since I listened to them) prog metal band with two albums out, as far as I know. When their first album was released, I think the band members were about 16 years old (the keyboardist is substantially older), and now I imagine they're about 18-19 or so. Check them out if you're curious. ----- Original Message ----- From: Antony Gelberg To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 6:29 PM Subject: Re: Flamewar history
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 6:22 PM Subject: Re: Flamewar history
> Which sucks worse to you though, S-X or Empty Tremor?
Never heard Empty Tremor, but their name sucks. ;-)
T
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 01:13:24 -0000 From: "Antony Gelberg" <ag@antgel.co.uk> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Flamewar history Message-ID: <01c601c2f3fe$10b7a9f0$4c809bd9@PULSEDESKTOP>
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Shetzer" <echo26@videotron.ca> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 12:59 AM Subject: Re: Flamewar history
> > --Boundary_(ID_6bAsT5AThRNEj76qjb3+6g) > Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > They're an italian (I think... it's been a while since I listened to them) prog metal band with two albums out, as far as I know. When their first album was released, I think the band members were about 16 years old (the keyboardist is substantially older), and now I imagine they're about 18-19 or so. Check them out if you're curious.
Nah, they probably suck. ;-) Actually as much as I love prog, I'm not into that many prog metal bands. DT (of course), PoS, Opeth, and later FW. That's about it. Everything else I've heard is just too cheesy. I don't understand why most prog metal singers need to sing so high and with so much vibrato. I did hear a Shadow Gallery track that I really liked (Stiletto), but I was put off buying an album due to alleged cheese metal vocals.
I don't know if Enchant count, but I do really like their singer. I just find their music to be a little variable in quality. "Blink Of An Eye" has some great songs, and some very boring ones.
But my love for DT more than makes up for my indifference to the rest of the genre. I should also point out that generally I don't listen to as much metal as I did, say, 10 years ago, and maybe then I'd have been more receptive to SX etc...
T
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:09:37 +1100 From: "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Flamewar history Message-ID: <OPEJJAPFDGDMCLAHLLIMOEFECOAA.ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
> Nah, they probably suck. ;-) Actually as much as I love prog, > I'm not into > that many prog metal bands. DT (of course), PoS, Opeth, and later FW. > That's about it. Everything else I've heard is just too cheesy. I don't > understand why most prog metal singers need to sing so high and > with so much > vibrato. I did hear a Shadow Gallery track that I really liked > (Stiletto), > but I was put off buying an album due to alleged cheese metal vocals.
Personally, I reckon the best singing I've ever heard in prog is PoS. I don't think he has the best voice I've heard, but I think they have the best vocal lines in their music.
I get turned off by the ball squeezing pitches too :P
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