YTSEJAM Digest 6505
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Neal Morse on vocals
by "Antony Gelberg" <ag@antgel.co.uk>
2) Re: Neal Morse on vocals
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net>
3) Re: Rant about Prog
by Heike =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=F6deker <heike.boedeker@netcologne.de>
4) Re: Styx/Where are they now?
by James <imroadie@yahoo.com>
5) Re: Sound good?? and Re: Flamewar history
by Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
6) Re: Sound good?? and Re: Flamewar history
by Coldfire <coldie@bellatlantic.net>
7) Re: Sound good?? and Re: Flamewar history
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
8) Re: Rant about Prog
by "Dominic H. Kallas" <dkallas@eecs.tufts.edu>
9) Punk, Prog, & somewhere in between....
by Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
10) Re: Morphine
by Kgahjah1@aol.com
11) Re: Sound good?? and Re: Flamewar history
by Michael & Pamela Nazer <mnazer@pressenter.com>
12) Re: Dali's Dilemma
by Eduardo Ojeda <PuppiesOnAcid@softhome.net>
13) dude!
by "Dan Costello" <Iluvatar@twcny.rr.com>
14) Queensryche/Dream Theater tour this summer
by "Glenn Ely" <gely@austin.rr.com>
15) THE tour of the summer
by cheryl <cherylcat@earthlink.net>
16) RE: THE tour of the summer
by "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
17) Re: Sound good?? and Re: Flamewar history
by "Antony Gelberg" <ag@antgel.co.uk>
18) Re: I guess I know what I'm doing this summer...
by "Antony Gelberg" <ag@antgel.co.uk>
19) Re: I guess I know what I'm doing this summer...
by Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 04:19:20 -0000
From: "Antony Gelberg" <ag@antgel.co.uk>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Neal Morse on vocals
Message-ID: <03f901c2f5aa$5ef51280$4c809bd9@PULSEDESKTOP>
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From: "Stephen Gervois" <sgervois@atmel.fr>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 7:52 AM
Subject: Neal Morse on vocals
> C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties.
>
>
> >FWIW, my favourite prog vocals ever are on Snow by Spock's Beard. Neal
> >Morse may not have the range but every word he sings has emotion in spad
> es.
> >(I think even more so on this album as he knew he was leaving the band h
> e
> >loved.) And the others more than back him up.
>
> I HAVE to back you up on this one !
>
> Now that Neals left, especially after "Snow", there'll be a gaping space
> to fill in...
> I'm not the first to say this but : I wouldn't like to be SB now and have
> to follow up that album after "Snow" !
> Good luck SB, I hope they prove I'm wrong and rock me again !
>
> ACBLF
I know what you mean, as expectations are high. But I think they will have
a very different vibe without Neal, and it will not be too hard to see the
next album as the first of a new band, thus avoiding such comparisions. :-)
T
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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 00:23:06 -0500
From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Neal Morse on vocals
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Come on, guys. Genesis went through this after Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.
They came out with Trick of the Tale, which is one of my favorite Genesis
albums ever. So, I think SB can pull it off.
At 11:42 PM 3/28/2003, you wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Stephen Gervois" <sgervois@atmel.fr>
>To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
>Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 7:52 AM
>Subject: Neal Morse on vocals
>
>
> > C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties.
> >
> >
> > >FWIW, my favourite prog vocals ever are on Snow by Spock's Beard. Neal
> > >Morse may not have the range but every word he sings has emotion in spad
> > es.
> > >(I think even more so on this album as he knew he was leaving the band h
> > e
> > >loved.) And the others more than back him up.
> >
> > I HAVE to back you up on this one !
> >
> > Now that Neals left, especially after "Snow", there'll be a gaping space
> > to fill in...
> > I'm not the first to say this but : I wouldn't like to be SB now and have
> > to follow up that album after "Snow" !
> > Good luck SB, I hope they prove I'm wrong and rock me again !
> >
> > ACBLF
>
>I know what you mean, as expectations are high. But I think they will have
>a very different vibe without Neal, and it will not be too hard to see the
>next album as the first of a new band, thus avoiding such comparisions. :-)
>
>T
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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 06:24:35 +0100 From: Heike =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=F6deker <heike.boedeker@netcologne.de> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Rant about Prog Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030329060041.009eb620@pop3.netcologne.de>
Dominic H. Kallas wrote: >Punk music is not known for refined vocals, time signature changes, or >carpal-tunnel inducing musicianship.
Ah, yes, definitely true <g>. I vaguely remember that a few punk and new wave bands, however, had prog a/o fusion experienced musicians, but probably these are not the hardcore cases you had in mind...
>Punk is straight-from-the-gut emotional music,
Well, let's say punk(ers)s like to be described that way, whether at least a significant portion of them really are uncompromisingly authentic to the marrow may be a different issue, though.
Heck, call me an academic egghead, but if *I* write a piece with a passage in which a 17/8 is played against a 17/4 this is definitely more authentic for *me* than when *I* ever tried (read: was forced...) to play a blues boring myself to coma on stage.
>grounded in reality not fantasy.
Oh please... "reality" is one of the words with the highest abuse rate. People call "reality" whatever they like, and mere "fantasy" whatever they don't. They rarely refer to something philosophically acceptable like the Lacanian real vs. symbolic vs. imaginary...
>No amount of virtuosity can substitute for the spirit that is present when >one _relates_ to a song.
The problem is that alleged spirit is something that is talked about a lot, but which you can't hear in the music. Punk is a particularly bad case as "the movement" largely has been a lifestyle thing.
Best,
Heike
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 21:40:34 -0800 (PST) From: James <imroadie@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Styx/Where are they now? Message-ID: <20030329054034.61250.qmail@web40107.mail.yahoo.com>
Yes, I have heard it. Actually, (puts flame-proof suit on) ut's pretty damn good. Some cheesy moments, but overall, thier best in years, despite the absence of DDY. I would recommend the song "Waiting For Our Time" as the first song you listen to. Classic Styx style with a heavy Damn Yankees edge to it..
Later, James aka Roadie
-Anybody heard thier new one "Cyclorama"? Is it out yet?
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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 05:40:51 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Sound good?? and Re: Flamewar history Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.33.0303290535200.20098-100000@norge.freeshell.org>
On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Michael & Pamela Nazer wrote:
> LOL, I wasn't looking for a date. It just gets to me when guys seem > suprised that there are women who like prog.
come on now pam, those of us that've been around would NEVER think of throwing that stereotype out there. :) and that goes for coldie, karyn, etc..... however, that being said, there probably isn't ONE SINGLE GUY on this whole damn list that would tell you that their preferred, tried & true method for picking up chicks is to introduce them to DT, Opeth, or any other band you could consider prog. doesn't seem to work that way!! which is why the ladies on the `Jam get our utmost love & respect!!!!
-- Best Regards, Independent Computer Consultant, Eric George -Tech Guru's
"The least important things in life get the most appreciation. The most important things in life don't seem to get enough." -me
Proud "Trillian" user http://www.ceruleanstudios.com AIM screename: Ryften13 ICQ #: 163843613 drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org (text-based email) schnerck@hotmail.com -or- peruvian@dreamtheater.zzn.com (HTML-based email) SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org Progressive Musician's Forum - http://www0.org/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi#general
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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 00:50:23 -0500 From: Coldfire <coldie@bellatlantic.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Sound good?? and Re: Flamewar history Message-ID: <3E85341F.51D4E735@bellatlantic.net>
awww I'm really feeling the love..if only thru my DSL line ;)
ya know..I wish I could find a guy that I could do that introduction to music test with.......oh well
Coldie
Eric George wrote: > > On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Michael & Pamela Nazer wrote: > > > LOL, I wasn't looking for a date. It just gets to me when guys seem > > suprised that there are women who like prog. > > come on now pam, those of us that've been around would NEVER think of > throwing that stereotype out there. :) and that goes for coldie, karyn, > etc..... > however, that being said, there probably isn't ONE SINGLE GUY on this > whole damn list that would tell you that their preferred, tried & true > method for picking up chicks is to introduce them to DT, Opeth, or any > other band you could consider prog. doesn't seem to work that way!! > which is why the ladies on the `Jam get our utmost love & respect!!!! > > -- > Best Regards, Independent Computer Consultant, > Eric George -Tech Guru's > > "The least important things in life > get the most appreciation. > The most important things in life > don't seem to get enough." > -me > > Proud "Trillian" user > http://www.ceruleanstudios.com > AIM screename: Ryften13 > ICQ #: 163843613 > drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org (text-based email) > schnerck@hotmail.com -or- > peruvian@dreamtheater.zzn.com (HTML-based email) > SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org > Progressive Musician's Forum - > http://www0.org/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi#general
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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 01:37:34 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Sound good?? and Re: Flamewar history Message-ID: <000d01c2f5bd$ae785160$9b00a8c0@SHETZ>
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That a special request? I'm up for it :P ----- Original Message ----- From: Coldfire To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 1:17 AM Subject: Re: Sound good?? and Re: Flamewar history
awww I'm really feeling the love..if only thru my DSL line ;)
ya know..I wish I could find a guy that I could do that introduction to music test with.......oh well
Coldie
Eric George wrote: > > On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Michael & Pamela Nazer wrote: > > > LOL, I wasn't looking for a date. It just gets to me when guys seem > > suprised that there are women who like prog. > > come on now pam, those of us that've been around would NEVER think of > throwing that stereotype out there. :) and that goes for coldie, karyn, > etc..... > however, that being said, there probably isn't ONE SINGLE GUY on this > whole damn list that would tell you that their preferred, tried & true > method for picking up chicks is to introduce them to DT, Opeth, or any > other band you could consider prog. doesn't seem to work that way!! > which is why the ladies on the `Jam get our utmost love & respect!!!! > > -- > Best Regards, Independent Computer Consultant, > Eric George -Tech Guru's > > "The least important things in life > get the most appreciation. > The most important things in life > don't seem to get enough." > -me > > Proud "Trillian" user > http://www.ceruleanstudios.com > AIM screename: Ryften13 > ICQ #: 163843613 > drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org (text-based email) > schnerck@hotmail.com -or- > peruvian@dreamtheater.zzn.com (HTML-based email) > SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org > Progressive Musician's Forum - > http://www0.org/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi#general
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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 03:50:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Dominic H. Kallas" <dkallas@eecs.tufts.edu> To: The ytsejam mailing list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Rant about Prog Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.33.0303290252001.12977-100000@mezzo.eecs.tufts.edu>
>From: Peter Geerts <petergee1@yahoo.com> > >Pointless remark. There's no such thing as 'the best genre'. Time for >some Einstein: it's all relative and subjective. I happen to like prog, >you may not so to me discussion is closed.
Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion.
I do not dislike all Prog, but I can see why people cannot and will not get it. It appears to me that prog is meant for the head, while other music goes for the heart and the loins. Granted, people react to music in different ways, and thus I can see why people do not connect with Prog.
>> Perhaps current and future Prog musicians should realise this when >>they attempt to craft their next masterpiece.
>Why should they? They like what they're doing, and so do a number of >other people (constituting a more than significant proportion on this >list for instance :-)). I've never heard of a genre changing itself >because of people not liking it. Will never happen.
I think you missed my point, which was actually stated in the sentence _before_ the line from my original post that you had just quoted. Allow me to repeat and elaborate:
No amount of virtuosity can substitute for the spirit that is present when one _relates_ to a song.
In other words, serious skills can't make up for a lack of emotional response. If Prog musicians really seek to produce works of undeniable quality, they should channel their emotions directly and powerfully rather than getting lost in music theory.
I do not expect Prog or any other genre to change just because there are people who don't like it. Different genres such as Prog, Classic Rock, and Hip Hop appeal to particular groups of people, in spite of the weaknesses of its prominent performers and artists. Still, it is not unreasonable to expect the music of a certain genre to _evolve_ from its past accomplishments and follies rather than revolve around them. In the case of Prog, true evolution can be demonstrated in the fostering of feeling rather than feeding the fear of not using enough technique.
Thanks for reading.
Electronically, Dom
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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 09:44:46 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Punk, Prog, & somewhere in between.... Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.33.0303290910210.8588-100000@norge.freeshell.org>
hey there jammers. there's been an awful lot of tossing back & forth between Punk, Prog, blah blah blah. so, here comes the inevitable $.02 from my side of the screen.
it's interesting what's been said about punk having all this emotion, but prog having none. we've mentioned countless times how someones tastes (i.e.- what "pops their turtle" musically) are unique to each person. different music reaches different people. we all agree on this. tell me dom, why the fuck doesn't that apply to the musicians that write the stuff too?? to say that less emotion went into something, simply because it technically is light-years beyond 3 & 4 chord, 3 minute long punk songs is a statement of pure biased ignorance. so maybe it doesn't pop your turtle?? doesn't mean any less emotion was put into the music though, just because the guys that wrote it know more than just how to spell "music theory".
now, onto hybrid bands. a few are actually coming to pretty high ranks in the world of music right now. by hybrid bands, i mean bands that have the "punk" edginess, but have a habit of throwing in a good helping of technical proficiency as well. first band that comes to my mind is The Juliana Theory. first off, 3/5 of the band quote prog acts such as DT, Rush, QR, King's X, & Pink Floyd as being the most musically influential bands for them, right next to U2, Smashing Pumpkins, Fugazi, & Nirvana. this diversity really comes through to make a unique sound, filled with raw energy brought about with a high level of musical skill.
finally, an analogy of punk music to close things up. there's a good friend of mine who i've been writing & playing music with for over 4 years now. he's a student at Duquesne Univ here in Pittsburgh. their music program is top-shelf, & he's there on almost a full ride as a guitar performance major. he grew up listening to both punk & prog, MxPx & DT. he and i just came out of the studio recording an instrumental cd that meets somewhere between Satriani & LTE. while working on this project, he was also playing for a straight- forward punk band. he & i didn't hook up for a month's time at one point, & when we did finally sit down to jam, he kept stopping & looking at his guitar in frustration. i put my sticks down & asked him what the problem was. he said that he was having trouble getting used to playing proficiently again after having played nothing but mindless power chords for a 5 weeks straight. half-grinning & half-pissed, he looked at me and said, "Man, I've figured it out. Punk has got to be the 'cocaine' of music." I asked him what the hell he was talking about, and he explained it this way: "Well, playing punk and doing cocaine have got to be very similar. Both of them seem to feel really good while you're doing them. But, when you try to go back & do something that takes some thought, you find out that you're now dumber than when you first started." i laughed my ass off, and still do every time someone tells me how "good" punk feels. if only they knew what the after-effects were......... :)
-- Best Regards, Independent Computer Consultant, Eric George -Tech Guru's
"The least important things in life get the most appreciation. The most important things in life don't seem to get enough." -me
Proud "Trillian" user http://www.ceruleanstudios.com AIM screename: Ryften13 ICQ #: 163843613 drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org (text-based email) schnerck@hotmail.com -or- peruvian@dreamtheater.zzn.com (HTML-based email) SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org Progressive Musician's Forum - http://www0.org/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.cgi#general
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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 07:22:47 EST From: Kgahjah1@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Morphine Message-ID: <c6.1a98b253.2bb6ea17@aol.com>
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maybe just the swimming cd. i'll never get rid of cure for pain. the song all wrong has the heaviest sax solo ever. jacko ps i didn't think anyone had heard of them.
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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 06:33:41 -0600 From: Michael & Pamela Nazer <mnazer@pressenter.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Sound good?? and Re: Flamewar history Message-ID: <BAAAEEC5.3F95%mnazer@pressenter.com>
on 3/28/03 11:45 PM, Eric George at drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org wrote:
> which is why the ladies on the `Jam get our utmost love & respect!!!!
Thankyou! I will take all the love and respect I can get:)
Pam
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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 00:23:25 -0300 From: Eduardo Ojeda <PuppiesOnAcid@softhome.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Dali's Dilemma Message-ID: <p05100301baaa1f305aa8@[216.244.255.193]>
>I think they did that intentionally. I mean it's not that some parts >SOUND like metropolis, they just PLAYED a snippet from metropolis on >that last song.
Totally, and their keyboardist guy plays an awful lot like KevMo in I&W. And their guitar guy has some solos that wouldn't be out of place on a SymphX release. But I don't care, they are great :)
Besides, SX's Lacrymosa has a lot of The Mirror in it, and we all like that song anyway, right?
- Edu
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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 10:21:00 -0500 From: "Dan Costello" <Iluvatar@twcny.rr.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: dude! Message-ID: <BOEAJJBDNFPALMNMJONIMEKNCCAA.Iluvatar@twcny.rr.com>
>Well, if this ain't official, it's pretty damn close to it, without >being uttered, verbatim, from the virgin lips of John Paul XXVII, Ralph >Nader or Ray Alder themselves... ?? > >http://www.queensryche.com/latest_news/index.html
As Homer Simpson would say, WOOHOO! :-)
-Dan.
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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 10:31:26 -0600 From: "Glenn Ely" <gely@austin.rr.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Queensryche/Dream Theater tour this summer Message-ID: <000001c2f610$a5712300$04c84542@homezjd9zen66b>
I just read this on the Queensryche website.
Oh my God, I think I'm about to have a heart attack=85.can't breathe=85.I need air=85..
Hard to type=85=85=85=85=85=85.
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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 10:26:58 -0800 From: cheryl <cherylcat@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: THE tour of the summer Message-ID: <3E85E572.8020008@earthlink.net>
Just pre-ordered my tix for QR/DT/FW...Thursday 7/24 at Universal....WOOOOOOOT :-)
cheryl the happy camper
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Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:34:28 +1000 From: "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: THE tour of the summer Message-ID: <OPEJJAPFDGDMCLAHLLIMOEGJCOAA.ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
Looks like it's time to start up the Australian bitch, whine and moan machine again :P
bah :P
> -----Original Message----- > From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of > cheryl > Sent: Sunday, 30 March 2003 4:42 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: THE tour of the summer > > > Just pre-ordered my tix for QR/DT/FW...Thursday 7/24 at > Universal....WOOOOOOOT :-) > > cheryl the happy camper > >
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Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 00:49:51 -0000 From: "Antony Gelberg" <ag@antgel.co.uk> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Sound good?? and Re: Flamewar history Message-ID: <056701c2f656$45a707f0$4c809bd9@PULSEDESKTOP>
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Shetzer" <echo26@videotron.ca> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 6:47 AM Subject: Re: Sound good?? and Re: Flamewar history
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Put your tongue away Mike!
T
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Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 00:54:58 -0000 From: "Antony Gelberg" <ag@antgel.co.uk> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: I guess I know what I'm doing this summer... Message-ID: <058201c2f656$fc89b9e0$4c809bd9@PULSEDESKTOP>
----- Original Message ----- From: "Thor Bazler" <thor@thorbazler.com> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 5:51 AM Subject: I guess I know what I'm doing this summer...
> From Queensryche.com: > > MARCH 27th, 2003 > You begged, you hoped, you pleaded, you prayed! And now I'm happy to > announce that your prayers have finally been answered. This summer, > Queensryche is set to hit the road with none other than Dream Theater! In > 50/50 co-headlining tour to begin this June, one thing's for sure... this > WILL be the tour to see this summer. Next to the return of Chris DeGarmo has > the news has bigger than this. And if you think the pairing up of these two > bands was good enough, Fates Warning will be their special guest! Tour > dates will be announced shortly. So stay tuned, there's a lot more to come, > just you wait!
The band members section on the official FW website (www.fateswarning.info) has the greatest selection of rock mullets and perms I have ever seen in one band. Ray is the only cool one, but he ruins the photo with his faux-mystical pose.
As for QR, I haven't heard any of their stuff. A mate of mine borrowed OM from someone at his work, because the guy liked prog and my mate knew I liked prog. But when I listened to it, it seemed just like 80's metal with below-average sound, and I turned it off very quickly. What's the fuss about? Any (preferably non-hardcore) QR fans want to give me a pointer or two?
T
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Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 03:42:16 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: I guess I know what I'm doing this summer... Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.33.0303300336070.6285-100000@norge.freeshell.org>
On Sat, 29 Mar 2003, Antony Gelberg wrote:
> As for QR, I haven't heard any of their stuff. A mate of mine borrowed OM > from someone at his work, because the guy liked prog and my mate knew I > liked prog. But when I listened to it, it seemed just like 80's metal with > below-average sound, and I turned it off very quickly. What's the fuss > about? Any (preferably non-hardcore) QR fans want to give me a pointer or > two?
well, i would say i'm a huge QR fan, & own their whole catalog. however, aside of being fun once in a while to listen too (plus they help complete the catalog), i could care less about the first 2 albums. same goes for Hear In The Now Frontier. O:M is a great album, but not very progressive. yeah, it's a concept album, but so was "Tommy". good disc, but not prog. for the 2 discs i feel that have the most experimentation, emotion, and progressive leanings, check out Rage For Order, as well as Promised Land. RFO is just plain classic, & PL is what would've happened if QR & Pink Floyd would've collaborated together on an album. my 2 favs, hands down. hope this gives you a place to at least start looking.
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