YTSEJAM Digest 6507
Today's Topics:
1) RE: QR
by "Dan Costello" <Iluvatar@twcny.rr.com>
2) RE: QR
by Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
3) RE: QR
by "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
4) Several Retro Reviews
by "Music Street Journal Gary Hill" <musicstjournal@hotmail.com>
5) Re: I guess I know what I'm doing this summer...
by Kgahjah1@aol.com
6) RE: prog
by "Alexis Ramos" <Aramos@vivienda.gobierno.pr>
7) Re: Rant about Prog
by Heike =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=F6deker <heike.boedeker@netcologne.de>
8) Queensryche and DT
by "Andy Welihozkiy" <Andy@reelfx.com>
9) RE: Queensryche and DT
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
10) RE: Queensryche and DT
by Sarah Hallum <sarah@subtlerage.com>
11) Re: Queensryche and DT
by "Kez" <bkeyser@fireguardcorp.com>
12) re: Pain of Salvation question
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
13) re: QR/FW, was: I guess I know what I'm doing this summer...
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
14) Re: re: QR/FW, was: I guess I know what I'm doing this summer...
by Christin Cooney <ccooney@comcast.net>
15) Re: Rant about Prog
by Eduardo Ojeda <PuppiesOnAcid@softhome.net>
16) on punk and prog
by "Bruce Forst" <bforst@peoplepc.com>
17) prog question
by Kgahjah1@aol.com
18) Re: Queensryche and DT
by Coldfire <coldie@bellatlantic.net>
19) Uhh.. some people are just weird...
by "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
20) Re: Uhh.. some people are just weird...
by "Antony Gelberg" <ag@antgel.co.uk>
21) newest jammer
by "TREVOR HOIT" <trevorhoit@attbi.com>
22) Re: newest jammer
by wrath <ytsejam@webscure.net>
23) Re: newest jammer
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
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Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 23:48:42 -0500
From: "Dan Costello" <Iluvatar@twcny.rr.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: QR
Message-ID: <BOEAJJBDNFPALMNMJONIAELBCCAA.Iluvatar@twcny.rr.com>
>Errg, Hear in the Now Frontier I place among the biggest wastes of $30...
Wow, you paid $30 for that? It wasn't worth the $6 I paid for it at the
Dollar Tree.
-Dan.
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 05:26:27 +0000 (UTC)
From: Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: QR
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.33.0303310521001.12267-100000@norge.freeshell.org>
On Sun, 30 Mar 2003, Dan Costello wrote:
> >Errg, Hear in the Now Frontier I place among the biggest wastes of $30...
>
> Wow, you paid $30 for that? It wasn't worth the $6 I paid for it at the
> Dollar Tree.
man, HitNF. i can remember waiting with baited breath for its release
date. i was so completely blown away by Promised Land, plus being a
longtime fan to begin with, i couldn't wait to get my hands on the (at the
time) new QR disc. i can remember clearly being on vacation in Ohio with
my family, and why anyone vacations in Ohio (short of the R&R Hall of
Fame), i have no idea. anyhow, we stopped by a Sam Goody, i believe, and
THERE IT WAS. paid the $14, or something close to it. got back in the
car, spun it in the discman, and after about 25-30 minutes i realized,
very dejectedly, that i had just invested in a $14 drink coaster.....
but hey, it completes the collection, right?? yeah, that justifies it...
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:37:14 +1000 From: "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: QR Message-ID: <OPEJJAPFDGDMCLAHLLIMGEHACOAA.ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
That's Aussie dollars, so they come out about the same ;P
> -----Original Message----- > From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of > Dan Costello > Sent: Monday, 31 March 2003 2:51 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: QR > > > >Errg, Hear in the Now Frontier I place among the biggest wastes of $30... > > Wow, you paid $30 for that? It wasn't worth the $6 I paid for it at the > Dollar Tree. > > -Dan. > > >
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Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 23:40:09 -0600 From: "Music Street Journal Gary Hill" <musicstjournal@hotmail.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Several Retro Reviews Message-ID: <OE52O2oF7OdbJuhUQOj0000e266@hotmail.com>
Hello, all
This is just a quick note to let you know that the latest issue of Music Street Journal, www.musicstreetjournal.com, includes a review (as part of our look back at the 1990's) of the Rush tribute CD, Working Man, which features Mike Portnoy and James LaBrie. Also included are reviews of Images and Words and the Jethro Tull tribute CD To Cry You A Song, which features Derek Sherinian.
Feel free to pop by and check it out.
Thanks
Gary
Gary Hill Music Street Journal http://www.musicstreetjournal.com
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 07:44:54 EST From: Kgahjah1@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: I guess I know what I'm doing this summer... Message-ID: <cb.31730b3b.2bb99246@aol.com>
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i like empire the best. here in the now is the second biggest waste of $. y2q is the biggest. jacko
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:43:23 -0400 From: "Alexis Ramos" <Aramos@vivienda.gobierno.pr> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: prog Message-ID: <757DAAB5CD7E934CBF86345BF0CD5DF755AB0F@mailserver.vivienda.local>
> Dude are you kidding? Prog not go for the heart? I think > you're mistaking > their intent. Just because prog songs tend not to be limited > to lyrics like > 'I love you so much, I hunger for your touch' or 'I hope you > love me too, > without you I feel blue' and 4/4 with three chords, doesn't > mean they aren't > there to stir emotion *as well as* provoking thought. One of > the things I > love about prog is the way that it takes more than one listen > to understand > the story behind each song, and it takes more than one listen > to unravel all > the vagaries behind the music itself. It never gets boring. > There are > songs we all listen to within this genre which awaken all > kinds of emotions, > so far beyond the greater realm of crud out there which has > uninspiring > music and reams of immature adolescent poetry. > > Coming as I do from a classical music background, I'm used to > playing and > listening to more complex and variable music. To me, prog is > an adaption of > the complexity normally reserved for orchestral compositions, > with the > cerebrality and feeling normally found in classical verse, > coupled with the > energy, rhythms and instruments of modern rock. It's more > *interesting* > than anything else. > > Of course, there's shitty prog wannabes around who don't > manage the high > level we expect from DT et al. Not all prog is great. But > the good prog is > the best thing I've ever heard, period.
Amen Karyn. You have put into words my exact thoughts. Prog can be very very emotional, and perhaps even more so than other more simple music. I believe that the very nature of prog music being diverse and changing throughout a song gives an even better possibility of expressing feelings, since those changes can be used to portray emotional changes in the lyrics or music. And even though some of the lyrics are about fantasy and stuff like that (take Rhapsody, for example, and a bunch of concept albums), I believe many of the lyrics are about real life and people expressing their feelings. OK, sometimes the persons writing the lyrics try to make them a little too elaborate and perhaps the feelings they're trying to portray are harder to perceive because of the complex images, but that does not mean that there's less feeling in them. And the fact that the music is more complicated does not subtract from the feeling. I know there are extremes in complexity that probably h! ave an insignificant amount of emotional content, but good prog musicians know how to strike a balance. For me, the perfect example of prog emotion is the song "Only a Matter of Time".
And about expressive vocals, I agree that Daniel Gildenlow portrays a lot of emotion in his singing. There's another singer who IMO is as emotional in his singing as DG, and that is Devin Townsend. Whenever that guy opens his mouth (coupled with his very emotional music), feelings just spill from it. BTW, his new album Accelerated Evolution is brilliant. It's like a mix between Terria and Ocean Machine.
Once again, has anybody heard the album called Genius Rock Opera? If so, please post your comments about it since I'm quite curious because of the musicians involved in it.
Alexis
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:07:43 +0200 From: Heike =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=F6deker <heike.boedeker@netcologne.de> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Rant about Prog Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030331153535.00a85e20@pop3.netcologne.de>
Dominic H. Kallas wrote: > >Ah, yes, definitely true <g>. I vaguely remember that a few punk and new > >wave bands, however, had prog a/o fusion experienced musicians, but > >probably these are not the hardcore cases you had in mind... > >I suppose you were referring to The Police in your remarks. I recall that >each member has some sort of jazz/fusion background, and Sting once played >in a progressive rock band.
Actually I wasn't thinking of them, although now that you say it, IIRC all 3 of them previously had worked with Eberhard Schoener. What I was thinking of were bands like Ideal, some member (sorry, can't remember the name) of which had played with Volker Kriegel. That's not to say that punk musicians might have had not some training otherwise, e.g. just comparing the Sex Pistols with the Stranglers... There also were fusion bands like Missus Beastly, Aera and even Embryo (as documented in some of the tracks published on "La Blama Sparozzi" 1982) who tried to at times, more, most often less convincingly (which also led the former 2 to call it the day...) incorporate New Wave elements.
>Whether you're talking about Punk, Prog, or whatever, there are people who >are genuine, and others who are just imitating. Hell, it's interesting >that the imitators _act_ so much more serious about the ideals than the >original forefathers of the movements did.
Yup.
>I do understand what you're saying. Perhaps your approach to music is >due to your musical training or in how your brain processes information >(especially when you are trying to express your thoughts) or from your >experiences and influences.
Probably. I'm really not uncomplicated in *all* areas of life ;-)
>I have no problem with the existence of "odd" time-signatures. Not >everyone plays or even thinks in 4/4.
Yeah, it's funny, I didn't consider my education particularly decent, but when I wanted to get in a band I had to let myself explain that by far most of rock music would be in 4/4. Duh!
>In my not-quite-so-humble opinion, in truly great works of art, the >emotions of the artist resonate with the audience. One does not have to >be told that something is great when one experiences its greatness.
The problem is that many great works only can be fully appreciated with some background. Such "resonance" can be an outspoken elitist thing as with the sahrdaya ("together-heartedness") of Medieval dhrupad musicians of Northern India and their noble patrons.
Music is partly direct expression, but also largely a conventionalized expression. That also holds true for punk or even dancefloor, where it's just about conventions that a larger audience has been gotten used to and is able to effortlessly recognize.
>While people may focus on the lifestyle aspects of the Punk movement, >let's not forget why the music from bands such as The Clash, The Police, >Elvis Costello and the Attractions, among others is important: they packed >a lot of power in a short time frame, whether you are talking about the >length of their songs or the years until they disbanded.
Well, I know how that disbanding thing goes, so I restrain from seeing that as a criterion ;-) But I agree, insofar I *do* like (and practice) concise writing (even if I know I will never come to be liked by people who need redundancy and not just for taking an "emotional footbath" as one of my teachers used to call it...).
All the best,
Heike
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:41:35 -0600 From: "Andy Welihozkiy" <Andy@reelfx.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Queensryche and DT Message-ID: <82CBA58DACEBF640B5ABFD0157DCA9252181D2@exchange.reelfx.com>
3+ hours of pure brain candy... Now if we could just get Nightwish over to the US... :)
-- Andy
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:28:40 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Queensryche and DT Message-ID: <4642CF49B0BEB44386CA20BD34DC2438D99C17@hhpech01.healthaxis.dom>
Yeah, on Nightwish's previous tour, they came as close as Canada.
-----Original Message----- From: Andy Welihozkiy [mailto:Andy@reelfx.com]
3+ hours of pure brain candy... Now if we could just get Nightwish over to the US... :)
-- Andy
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:08:25 -0500 (EST) From: Sarah Hallum <sarah@subtlerage.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Queensryche and DT Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.51.0303311308140.1607@weasel.doughmein.net>
What about ProgPower?
Sarah
On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, Souter, Jan-Michael wrote:
> Yeah, on Nightwish's previous tour, they came as close as Canada. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Welihozkiy [mailto:Andy@reelfx.com] > > 3+ hours of pure brain candy... > Now if we could just get Nightwish over to the US... :) > > -- > Andy > >
sarah@subtlerage.com sarah@dreamt.org http://www.subtlerage.com/sarah
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:01:04 -0500 From: "Kez" <bkeyser@fireguardcorp.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Queensryche and DT Message-ID: <002e01c2f7b7$e0c9e9c0$6401a8c0@kezp3800>
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Hallum" <sarah@subtlerage.com> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 1:40 PM Subject: RE: Queensryche and DT
> What about ProgPower? > > Sarah
I'll be there! WITH EARPLUGS!!! ;)
Yes, Nightwish will be in the U.S., for whatever reason..........hehe
www.progpowerusa.com for all the info.
Kez
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:04:41 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: re: Pain of Salvation question Message-ID: <20030331190441.99553.qmail@web13106.mail.yahoo.com>
"Herbert, Jason" <jherbert@generalcable.com> asked:
> OK. So, I bought One Hour by the Concrete Lake a while back. I've > listened to it several times, and it does absolutely nothing for me. > It all has too much of a "sameness" about it, I guess. I don't dislike it, I > just have no desire to ever listen to it again. That being said, is it > worth my time to try out any of their other stuff? If OHbtCL is a "typical" POS > CD, then perhaps they're just not my style. Any one have any input?
I think you may still have a chance with them. Check out Remedy Lane or The Perfect Element. Those two are, IMHO, a couple of the best recordings ever made. In the same class as I&W, Awake, Mindcrime, Rage for Order, etc.
While being a huge fan of PoS, I have to say that OHbtCL is my least favorite. On a scale of 1 to 10, I might give it an 8. (the others are 10's). I really appreciate OHbtCL; it has a great sound, and there's nothing I can point to as not being good, but it just doesn't completely click for me.
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:40:49 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: re: QR/FW, was: I guess I know what I'm doing this summer... Message-ID: <20030331194049.65248.qmail@web13101.mail.yahoo.com>
"Thor Bazler" <thor@thorbazler.com> queried:
> As for QR, I haven't heard any of their stuff. A mate of mine borrowed > OM from someone at his work, because the guy liked prog and my mate knew I > liked prog. But when I listened to it, it seemed just like 80's metal > with below-average sound, and I turned it off very quickly. What's the fuss > about? Any (preferably non-hardcore) QR fans want to give me a pointer > or two?
Hmmm. Good question. They do sound old NOW don't they? At this point, asking "what's so good about QR" is like asking what's so good about Led Zeppelin or Jimi Hendrix. Let's just say that at the time, QR was ahead of their time. They were pushing the metal genre forward, changing it, adding to it. They ended up being called "progressive metal" because of this (they were the first band I ever heard that label applied to). They started out as great metal in the Iron Maiden mold, and really pushed it forward with Rage for Order. Most metal fans (especially musicians) were huge QR fans back then, and they had the same kind of following and respect that DT has today. The whole irony of the QR/DT/FW tour is that DT and FW are the most successful bands that started out as QR clones. Most (not all) of DT's early fans were QR fans that jumped ship after QR started to go downhill. And FW got attention with the addition of Ray Alder, who everyone said was nothing more than a Geoff Tate clone. (They had a career before Ray, especially the classic AtG, but they never got any mainstream attention until Ray came out, and they rode the QR wave).
Hope that helps.
p.s. It is interesting that a band like Rush was not the first to be called "progressive metal", but back then, it seems like they were just called "hard rock" (2112 era), or maybe "heavy metal".
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:52:22 -0500 From: Christin Cooney <ccooney@comcast.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: re: QR/FW, was: I guess I know what I'm doing this summer... Message-ID: <2e4ad2c637.2c6372e4ad@icomcast.net>
----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> Date: Monday, March 31, 2003 2:41 pm Subject: re: QR/FW, was: I guess I know what I'm doing this summer...
> > "Thor Bazler" <thor@thorbazler.com> queried: > > > As for QR, I haven't heard any of their stuff. A > mate of mine borrowed > > OM from someone at his work, because the guy liked > prog and my mate knew I > > liked prog. But when I listened to it, it seemed > just like 80's metal > > with below-average sound, and I turned it off very > quickly. What's the fuss > > about? Any (preferably non-hardcore) QR fans want > to give me a pointer > > or two? > > Hmmm. Good question. They do sound old NOW don't they? > At this point, asking "what's so good about QR" is > like asking what's so good about Led Zeppelin or Jimi > Hendrix. Let's just say that at the time, QR was ahead > of their time. They were pushing the metal genre > forward, changing it, adding to it. They ended up > being called "progressive metal" because of this (they > were the first band I ever heard that label applied > to). They started out as great metal in the Iron > Maiden mold, and really pushed it forward with Rage > for Order. Most metal fans (especially musicians) were > huge QR fans back then, and they had the same kind of > following and respect that DT has today. The whole > irony of the QR/DT/FW tour is that DT and FW are the > most successful bands that started out as QR clones.
Wow I really have to disagree with that Dream Theater started out as a Queensryche clone. There's certainly some Queensryche influence, among lots of other bands, but to my ears there's a lot more Rush influence in early Dream Theater than anything else.
But Thor Queensryche were definitely everything he said they were, and I'd recommend giving Mindcrime several full spins before dismissing it.
> p.s. It is interesting that a band like Rush was not > the first to be called "progressive metal", but back > then, it seems like they were just called "hard rock" > (2112 era), or maybe "heavy metal".
I've heard early Rush refered to as progressive metal, and I've heard people say that they "invented" progressive metal. I don't think any one band can be given credit for inventing it, but I certainly do agree that Rush is among the pioneers of the genre.
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:30:05 -0300 From: Eduardo Ojeda <PuppiesOnAcid@softhome.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Rant about Prog Message-ID: <p05100301baae0d81407c@[200.59.95.99]>
>Of course, there's shitty prog wannabes around who don't manage the high >level we expect from DT et al. Not all prog is great. But the good prog is >the best thing I've ever heard, period. I've thought that ever since I was >a little girl and I didn't even know it was called prog, listening to my >dad's old-school seventies progrock. Being introduced to new-school prog >was merely an expansion on my natural tastes.
Exactly, you couldn't have been more clear. I remember back when I listened to non-prog bands like Metallica, I liked the most the more complex songs, with mood changes and more than *one* riff. I later came to realize I liked the "proggy" aspects of music even before I listened to ANY prog band.
Its a sad thing people don't understand this when you tell them Blink 182 sucks :)
- Edu
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:10:38 -0600 From: "Bruce Forst" <bforst@peoplepc.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: on punk and prog Message-ID: <001501c2f7d2$5d4b3d40$3996e143@oemcomputer>
I have gotten into tons of trouble trying to convince people that listen to pop and punk to give prog a fair listen. I tell them that there is a level of musical ability that makes listening to prog a joy. Good prog musicians are also turned on by good composition, and the best prog is beautiful in intent as it is in content.
But.. (uh oh..)
Prog and punk are almost flip sides of the same coin. Prog is a homage to form and complexity while punk pays tribute to anti-form and chaos. What most contentious people on either side of the debate usually fail to realize is that both sides of this coin offer insights into life. Punk people claim that prog is soul-less and a slave to its own virtuoisity and Prog advocates claim that punk is devoid of talent and discipline.
At best, life itself it at once messy and routine, complex and simple. Prog and Punk seem to both take the same route, to highlight extremes of human existence in an art form. Their devotees tend to gravitate towards either musical style as an extention of their outlook. The worst of either genre usually takes this to an extreme. The best tend to lean in one direction while not forsaking the other. I see pop as the vast grey area in the middle that produces occasional bursts of genius and plenty of mediocre efforts.
As a musician I tend to listen to prog more than anything, but as a political being I like what punk has to say. Frankly, most prog musicians don't say much. I speculate that many have trouble taking risks on unpredictable results. Punk musicians seem to embrace a more risky approach and tempt people to hate them. Both these tendencies are as result of the undercurrents that lead musicians in their artistic directions. I was amazed at how politically astute and intellectually curious punk listeners were when I started being politically active. Many became politically aware through music. But I still think the music itself kinda sucks.
Folk seems to take the best of both worlds, for me at least. Talented musicians with a strong political voice. Jazz is a great mixture as well, when at its best it blends musical chaos with insane musical talent. Though it leaves out the overt politcal, usually.
Just some thoughts on the subject, all speculation of course.
Bruce
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:20:22 EST From: Kgahjah1@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: prog question Message-ID: <7d.36fed0ec.2bba2736@aol.com>
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i hear several bands being mentioned as examples of "prog" music. my question is this: are marilion and todd rundgren also considered "prog" and why/why not? i would imagine they are, as are peter gabriel (sp), king crimson, and yes. ok, another question: what about the band chicago? i'm using the song 29 or six to four as an example.
thanks jacko
ps i saw marilion and rundgren on a double bill in the 80's. good concert.
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:22:37 -0500 From: Coldfire <coldie@bellatlantic.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Queensryche and DT Message-ID: <3E88CDBD.B90869D@bellatlantic.net>
If I can make it to PP4 this year...I think that will be the time..I head to Ken Golden's table...or go look for an umbrella ;)
Coldie
Kez wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sarah Hallum" <sarah@subtlerage.com> > To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 1:40 PM > Subject: RE: Queensryche and DT > > > What about ProgPower? > > > > Sarah > > I'll be there! WITH EARPLUGS!!! ;) > > Yes, Nightwish will be in the U.S., for whatever reason..........hehe > > www.progpowerusa.com for all the info. > > Kez
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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:05:10 +1000 From: "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Uhh.. some people are just weird... Message-ID: <OPEJJAPFDGDMCLAHLLIMAEHDCOAA.ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
http://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/tm.asp?m=175866&p=1&tmode=1&smode=1
They repeat that it's not an April fools joke.. and it doesn't sound like the kind of april fools joke they'd pull...
Niall
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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 01:24:12 +0100 From: "Antony Gelberg" <ag@antgel.co.uk> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Uhh.. some people are just weird... Message-ID: <0c1501c2f7e5$050facc0$4c809bd9@PULSEDESKTOP>
----- Original Message ----- From: "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:14 AM Subject: Uhh.. some people are just weird...
> http://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/tm.asp?m=175866&p=1&tmode=1&smode=1 > > They repeat that it's not an April fools joke.. and it doesn't sound like > the kind of april fools joke they'd pull... > > Niall
Actually, I was under the impression that the DT page had an April Fol's joke every year. Nothing yet though.
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:00:25 -0800 From: "TREVOR HOIT" <trevorhoit@attbi.com> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: newest jammer Message-ID: <006101c2f803$39c690a0$f7a2eb0c@attbi.com>
Please welcome the newest Jammer, Christopher Trevor Hoit born Friday 3/28/03, 6 lbs, 14 oz, 19.75 inches long. Both wife and son are doing well, Trevor Hoit
p.s. couple of pix, not the best, but I didn't take them....... http://www.growingfamily.com/webnursery/babypage.asp?UrlID=3D7F4M1F2N0P password "hoit"
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 23:13:21 -0500 From: wrath <ytsejam@webscure.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: newest jammer Message-ID: <3E8911E1.6090202@webscure.net>
Congratulations!
TREVOR HOIT wrote: > Please welcome the newest Jammer, Christopher Trevor Hoit > born Friday 3/28/03, 6 lbs, 14 oz, 19.75 inches long. > Both wife and son are doing well, > Trevor Hoit
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 23:43:01 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: newest jammer Message-ID: <000a01c2f809$2d80b900$9b00a8c0@SHETZ>
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Congrats dude! Another progger brought into this world is always a good thing :) The link doesn't work, though...
----- Original Message ----- From: TREVOR HOIT To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 11:10 PM Subject: newest jammer
Please welcome the newest Jammer, Christopher Trevor Hoit born Friday 3/28/03, 6 lbs, 14 oz, 19.75 inches long. Both wife and son are doing well, Trevor Hoit
p.s. couple of pix, not the best, but I didn't take them....... http://www.growingfamily.com/webnursery/babypage.asp?UrlID=3D7F4M1F2N0P password "hoit"
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