YTSEJAM Digest 6503
Today's Topics:
1) Re: High Pitched Vocals, con't....
by Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
2) Falsetto
by "Bryan Adams" <badams@orbitonline.com>
3) Re: High Pitched Vocals, con't....
by Christin Cooney <ccooney@comcast.net>
4) prog vocalists
by "Alexandra O'Connell" <nocalc@yahoo.com>
5) Re: Flamewar history
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net>
6) Empty Tremor and Arash and vocalists
by Alexis Ramos <alexis_ramos@yahoo.com>
7) Dali's Dilemma
by Eduardo Ojeda <PuppiesOnAcid@softhome.net>
8) Re: High Pitched Vocals, con't....
by Eduardo Ojeda <PuppiesOnAcid@softhome.net>
9) Re: Dali's Dilemma
by "Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez" <calfaro@yunque.net>
10) Re: High pitched vocals (was: Flamewar history)
by Kgahjah1@aol.com
11) Re: Sound good?? and Re: Flamewar history
by Kgahjah1@aol.com
12) Re: Flamewar history
by Kgahjah1@aol.com
13) RE: Flamewar history
by Niall Connaughton <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
14) RE: Dali's Dilemma
by "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
15) Re: Flamewar history
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
16) Re: Dali's Dilemma
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
17) Re: Dali's Dilemma
by Rick Audet <spine@electricrain.com>
18) Re: Dali's Dilemma
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
19) Re: Flamewar history
by "Antony Gelberg" <ag@antgel.co.uk>
20) Re: Flamewar history
by Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
21) Re: High Pitched Vocals, con't....
by Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
22) Re: High pitched vocals (was: Flamewar history)
by Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
23) Re: Sound good??
by "Karyn Hamilton" <littlewenda@hotmail.com>
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:16:01 +0000 (UTC)
From: Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: High Pitched Vocals, con't....
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.33.0303271911190.22845-100000@sdf.lonestar.org>
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Peter Geerts wrote:
> --- Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
> > yes, you would be correct there. a lot of people commonly mistake
> > high
> > range for falsetto. in fact, some use the terms quite
> > interchangeably.
>
> Okay Eric, Jason, looks like I'm one of those confusing head voice with
> falsetto.
yeah, well i kinda phrased things slightly off. technically speaking
(also to be found in the vocal FAQ that jason posted), "head voice" isn't
the same as falsetto. i just happen to call it that due to the physical
feeling that occurs within your body when you focus on falsetto. because
it's a "airy", looser form of forcing breathe, i just refer to it as "head
voice". still, same description otherwise applies. :)
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:32:42 -0700 From: "Bryan Adams" <badams@orbitonline.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Falsetto Message-ID: <4E59D2C275D4CE4B9A753083C7A0DB6E0C40BE@orbit-irr.com>
<snip> Okay Eric, Jason, looks like I'm one of those confusing head voice with falsetto. About what you said... one of the reasons I like James' singing that much is that he doesn't want to hit the high notes ALL the time. Diversity is the key to interesting music, and this should definitely be the case in prog(metal). <snip>
James doesn't "want" to hit the high notes ALL the time? I think he sings the notes as written and/or directed by the melody. I don't think he chooses to sing the next verse an octave higher than written, etc.
Also, not all bands "select" their singer. To a certain degree they do, but when your name is Mark Slaughter, and you start a band, and your voice is high, you sing high. When Rush started did they audition singers, or make do with Geddy? (Mind you I really like his voice, but I see how some might not.)
Anybody notice how James' voice has changed over his time in DT? It seem like, after Awake, that he'd been "reined-in". Much less vibrato than pre-Awake. I like the new voice better.
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:33:33 -0500 From: Christin Cooney <ccooney@comcast.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: High Pitched Vocals, con't.... Message-ID: <7a79a97a0afe.7a0afe7a79a9@icomcast.net>
----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Geerts <petergee1@yahoo.com> Date: Thursday, March 27, 2003 1:52 pm Subject: Re: High Pitched Vocals, con't....
> > --- Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote: > > yes, you would be correct there. a lot of people commonly mistake > > high > > range for falsetto. in fact, some use the terms quite > > interchangeably. > > Okay Eric, Jason, looks like I'm one of those confusing head voice > withfalsetto. About what you said... one of the reasons I like James' > singing that much is that he doesn't want to hit the high notes > ALL the > time. Diversity is the key to interesting music, and this should > definitely be the case in prog(metal).
For the most part, I agree with you. My very favorite singers are quite diverse, but have a high voice and use it often enough to satisfy my need for that. Russell Allen (I don't think there's anything he can't sing) and James LaBrie are right at the top of the list. They're incredibly diverse and all of their voices, at least imo, sound excellent. I'll never complain about Michael Kiske or Andre Matos singing high throughout an album though - some times I'm in the mood for exactly that.
Chris
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:51:21 -0800 (PST) From: "Alexandra O'Connell" <nocalc@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: prog vocalists Message-ID: <20030327195121.58975.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com>
>People often complain they can't hear the bass in the >mix. In addition to that, I would say that higher >notes are just more pleasant to the human ear in >general.
Maybe. But count this individual in with a preference for a tasty, low bass or baritone. IMO, nothing beats that quality of voice (nothing against good tenors).
As far as Gildenlow is concerned, I don't know that much about vocal technique, but I have yet to find someone (at least in this genre) that can match the expressive and emotive power he has when he sings. Sends chills down my spine.
I know this really has no bearing on anyone here, but I heard an amazing voice yesterday on the NYC subway :) I was heading back from work and one of those guys with a guitar got onto my car; I think the song was a folk song of some type (he appeared to be Central American) - but he was REALLY GOOD. Judging by the reactions of others in the car, I wasn't the only one with that opnion. Those five minutes really lightened my commute a LOT. :)
Alex
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:22:38 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Flamewar history Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030327152213.02077c30@mail.comcast.net>
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It's mr. roboto, and it's not like it's the only song they ever did. Buy the Grand Illusion album or Pieces of 8 and tell me if that is the same as Mr. Roboto.
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:00:47 -0800 (PST) From: Alexis Ramos <alexis_ramos@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Empty Tremor and Arash and vocalists Message-ID: <20030327220047.66075.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com>
Wow! Arash is still here! That's pretty cool. I remember how a lot of people used to rip at him for his enthusiastic and ever present support for Empty Tremor. I personally like the band a lot, and I've enjoyed their two albums so far. Are they releasing another one soon?
I've seen that there's an album out called Genius Rock Opera, and I think it was the creation of Empty Tremor's keyboardist, and it has quite a few high quality musicians on it (including Daniel Gildenlow from PoS). Could anybody describe what that album sounds like and give their opinion on it?
About vocalists and voices, I prefer vocalists who have big (?) ranges and have a good vibratto. For me, a good singer needs to sing well both in the high and low registers. That's one of the reasons why I love Roy Khan, whose low registers are just beautiful to listen to, and he can go pretty high too. DC Cooper also has a great low register and a great range, but I don't like the noticeable difference between his normal voice and his falsetto. Rob Rock, on the other hand, uses his falsetto a lot, but it's pretty unnoticeable when he changes from his normal voice to falsetto.
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:02:18 -0300 From: Eduardo Ojeda <PuppiesOnAcid@softhome.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Dali's Dilemma Message-ID: <p05100300baa940e46498@[216.244.255.1]>
An awesome band! I've had their album "Manifesto for Futurism" for like 6 months, but had NEVER heard it until today. They happen to play weird time signatures almost all of the time (I really doubt there is a single 4/4 bar in that CD :)
Anyone here know them?
- Edu
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:05:46 -0300 From: Eduardo Ojeda <PuppiesOnAcid@softhome.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: High Pitched Vocals, con't.... Message-ID: <p05100301baa941a591d3@[216.244.255.180]>
>well, maybe i've just been listening to the wrong smattering of PoS then. >granted, i think Gildenlow's voice fits PoS's style perfectly. and, there >is a lot of emotion behind his voice. but, to sing as he sings just isn't >THAT tough. i think what inspires people about Gildenlow's voice (at >least me) is that you really feel that he "believes" what he's singing, >given the emotion put into it. but from a raw perspective of sheer vocal >skill, he doesn't come across as anything extraordinary.
Oh, totally agree with you. But I really don't care about musicianship when I listen to PoS. I love PoS because of the incredible emotion and genius composition put into it.
It's like when you compare Petrucci with, say, Michael Angelo. Sure Angelo is a faster ripper, but Petrucci has a style and a very particular sound that makes him a much better guitarist.
Music is not all about proficiency, not even in prog.
- Edu
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 20:25:07 -0500 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Dali's Dilemma Message-ID: <003f01c2f4c8$deb70c90$0a01a8c0@carlosbook>
I really like them, but i believe theyve had serious lineup changes, including the singer, which i REALLY liked....
Matt Guillory (keyboardist) RULES.
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> An awesome band! I've had their album "Manifesto for Futurism" for > like 6 months, but had NEVER heard it until today. They happen to > play weird time signatures almost all of the time (I really doubt > there is a single 4/4 bar in that CD :) > > Anyone here know them? > > - Edu >
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:37:12 EST From: Kgahjah1@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: High pitched vocals (was: Flamewar history) Message-ID: <187.17794e4f.2bb4f338@aol.com>
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this is just my opinion here, but i think of falsetto as beegees and prince. geddy lee just has an unusually high pitched voice. as for Geoffrey tattoo having a high pitched voice, i would tend to disagree. listen to the empire album. he has a great voice and can sing in low range and very high range, but i personally wouldn't call that falcetto. i'm not super into prog music, so i don't know many of the names out there, but if more sounded like tate or kevin in osi, i'd trade in my morphine, grant lee buffalo, and todd rundgren for the prog. jacko
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:40:59 EST From: Kgahjah1@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Sound good?? and Re: Flamewar history Message-ID: <173.17dca6d0.2bb4f41b@aol.com>
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thanks, i hadn't thought of that hair band in a long time. now i'm reminded of them, poison, warrant, wasp, and all these other bands that a roommate of mine overappreciated much to my dismay.
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:47:46 EST From: Kgahjah1@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Flamewar history Message-ID: <79.d789694.2bb4f5b2@aol.com>
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i know, i spelled it wrong, but my point was that styx was a great band until that album. if there is ever a rerun of the styx on behind the music, watch it. i love styx's early stuff and i even met loreli (sp) who is an artist and grew up w/ some of the band. songs like miss america rock. mr roboto just sucks. just my opinion. jacko
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:49:52 +1100 From: Niall Connaughton <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: RE: Flamewar history Message-ID: <OPEJJAPFDGDMCLAHLLIMMEFOCOAA.ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
> -----Original Message----- > From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of > Eric George > Sent: Friday, 28 March 2003 4:21 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Flamewar history > > for most of us (i'm assuming here; not "speaking" for anyone), and > deffinetly for myself, one of the reasons i love prog is because it amazes > me. for bands like DT, Planet X, Bozzio/Levin/Stevens, Yes, Rush: there's > not many people that can play like that, & it amazes me to hear them. i > would wager that 9 out of 10 singers could sing like Daniel Gildenlow > (sp?), but i've never heard anyone else who can "play" a microphone like > James Labrie, Geoff Tate, or Jon Anderson. i'm with you all the way, > jason. i don't get how mastery of guitar, bass, keys, or drums is > applauded & revered, but mastery of the voice is pushed aside in favor of > mediocre vocal skill. i guess some things just aren't supposed to make > sense, eh?? that's my story, & i'm stickin' to it.
I know that Daniel from PoS doesn't sing as technical stuff as others, which is why I said I don't think he has the best voice. But I think the writing of the vocal melody lines is far superior to any other prog I've heard.
I guess I appreciate a combination of technique and writing for a melody line on any given instrument. But the writing is more important. In the end, you can have the biggest wank around, but it means nothing if you can't write good music to use it. *cough cough Steve Vai* I think this is why a lot of people love the LiTS solo.
Niall
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:22:17 +1100 From: "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Dali's Dilemma Message-ID: <OPEJJAPFDGDMCLAHLLIMKEFPCOAA.ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
Yeah, I think they're trying to organise another album, but I think they're having band and/or label problems... don't hold your breath for another...
I quite like them, though sometimes they sound like they're trying to be too much DT :P There are some parts I hear in there that sound very much like Metropolis...
> -----Original Message----- > From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of > Eduardo Ojeda > Sent: Friday, 28 March 2003 11:07 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Dali's Dilemma > > > An awesome band! I've had their album "Manifesto for Futurism" for > like 6 months, but had NEVER heard it until today. They happen to > play weird time signatures almost all of the time (I really doubt > there is a single 4/4 bar in that CD :) > > Anyone here know them? > > - Edu >
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 20:42:08 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Flamewar history Message-ID: <005201c2f4cb$3eec09b0$9b00a8c0@SHETZ>
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Perfect for part of the Symphony X sucks thread, I find alongside Gildenlow, Russell Allen from SX has one of the best prog voices out there. ----- Original Message ----- From: Eduardo Ojeda To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 11:49 AM Subject: RE: Flamewar history
>Personally, I reckon the best singing I've ever heard in prog is PoS. I >don't think he has the best voice I've heard, but I think they have the best >vocal lines in their music.
Totally, Glidenlow is the best vocalist in the prog metal scene. That man can really make you cry.
- Edu
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 20:49:54 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Dali's Dilemma Message-ID: <00be01c2f4cc$5464c0b0$9b00a8c0@SHETZ>
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Maybe the jam ate my posts? i've posted about these guys several times, nobody really responded. MfF is one my fave Magna Carta releases, actually, next to Explorer's Club 1 and others I can't remember :) The guitarist, singer and keyboardist from this band are all awesome IMO. Too bad they seem to have been living in a hole for the last few years... where did the lineup change rumor come from? ----- Original Message ----- From: Eduardo Ojeda To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 7:06 PM Subject: Dali's Dilemma
An awesome band! I've had their album "Manifesto for Futurism" for like 6 months, but had NEVER heard it until today. They happen to play weird time signatures almost all of the time (I really doubt there is a single 4/4 bar in that CD :)
Anyone here know them?
- Edu
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:20:16 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Audet <spine@electricrain.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Dali's Dilemma Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31L2.0303271817180.7853-100000@zot.electricrain.com>
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Mike Shetzer wrote:
> Maybe the jam ate my posts? i've posted about these guys several > times, nobody really responded. MfF is one my fave Magna Carta > releases, actually, next to Explorer's Club 1 and others I can't > remember :) The guitarist, singer and keyboardist from this band are > all awesome IMO. Too bad they seem to have been living in a hole for > the last few years... where did the lineup change rumor come from?
Perhaps they're up to something after all. The band, with what appear to be a new drummer and new singer, had a photo shoot a couple weeks ago:
http://www.mattguillory.com/news.html
Rick Audet San Francisco
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:49:55 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Dali's Dilemma Message-ID: <001e01c2f4d4$b6e91d50$9b00a8c0@SHETZ>
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Interesting! It seems they are up to a new album. DAMN, i liked that singer!!!!! He was like an alternative rock turned progster =) ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Audet To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 9:39 PM Subject: Re: Dali's Dilemma
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Mike Shetzer wrote:
> Maybe the jam ate my posts? i've posted about these guys several > times, nobody really responded. MfF is one my fave Magna Carta > releases, actually, next to Explorer's Club 1 and others I can't > remember :) The guitarist, singer and keyboardist from this band are > all awesome IMO. Too bad they seem to have been living in a hole for > the last few years... where did the lineup change rumor come from?
Perhaps they're up to something after all. The band, with what appear to be a new drummer and new singer, had a photo shoot a couple weeks ago:
http://www.mattguillory.com/news.html
Rick Audet San Francisco
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 02:55:43 -0000 From: "Antony Gelberg" <ag@antgel.co.uk> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Flamewar history Message-ID: <021101c2f4d5$862861c0$4c809bd9@PULSEDESKTOP>
----- Original Message ----- From: "Herbert, Jason" <jherbert@generalcable.com> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 1:56 PM Subject: RE: Flamewar history
> > > -----Original Message----- > From: Antony Gelberg [mailto:ag@antgel.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 8:30 PM > > [snip] > > I don't understand why most prog metal singers need to sing so high and with > so much > vibrato. > > [snip] > > ***The same reason most prog metal drummers play super fast double-bass > parts, or the same reason most prog metal guitarists play lightning fast > widdly-widdly solos: It's difficult and technically challenging, and that > is part of the genre. I never understand why many prog fans seem to really > appreciate virtuoso musicianship, but only when not applied to the vocals. > The singers are just trying to be as technically proficient with their > instrument (their voice) as the rest of the band are on theirs.
I don't see the correlation between singing at a pitch only audible to dogs and bats, and technical proficiency. And if there is one, it just shows that technical proficiency is pointless unless it is coupled with feel. I never used to understand people who said that, but I'm getting it now. That's why I love DT and PoS. They move me in addition to the technical stuff. It's also why Disappear is one of my favourite DT songs ever.
Give me JLB any day, he can't sing as high as a lot of the cheeseballs, but his voice has really matured in the last few years. He sings with different colourings, personas even. That's far more technically proficient than one-dimensional nad-crunching, and far more interesting.
FWIW, my favourite prog vocals ever are on Snow by Spock's Beard. Neal Morse may not have the range but every word he sings has emotion in spades. (I think even more so on this album as he knew he was leaving the band he loved.) And the others more than back him up.
T
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 02:57:34 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Flamewar history Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.33.0303280255030.12101-100000@norge.freeshell.org>
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Damon Fibraio wrote:
> It's mr. roboto, and it's not like it's the only song they ever did. Buy > the Grand Illusion album or Pieces of 8 and tell me if that is the same as > Mr. Roboto.
preach it, brother damon, preach it. styx is one of those "grand-daddy" prog bands that people tend to pigeonhole just a bit too quickly. their influence is thick in the prog scene, & in a lot of the bands we reference here so often.
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 03:05:04 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: High Pitched Vocals, con't.... Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.33.0303280259420.12101-100000@norge.freeshell.org>
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Eduardo Ojeda wrote:
> Oh, totally agree with you. But I really don't care about > musicianship when I listen to PoS. I love PoS because of the > incredible emotion and genius composition put into it.
another good example for that would also be Green Carnation. i hear a LOT of PoS influence there. dense, textured, emotional, incredible stuff. music that takes a certain degree of time just to digest the content.
> It's like when you compare Petrucci with, say, Michael Angelo. Sure > Angelo is a faster ripper, but Petrucci has a style and a very > particular sound that makes him a much better guitarist.
there's another comparison to be made there too, but using the same people. no matter what hair style JP has had, it's been world's better than Mr. Angelo's ever-present mullet. so, i guess you could say that JP has overall more style than Angelo does. hehehehe......
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 03:18:39 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: High pitched vocals (was: Flamewar history) Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.33.0303280306330.12101-100000@norge.freeshell.org>
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 Kgahjah1@aol.com wrote:
> this is just my opinion here, but i think of falsetto as beegees and prince.
you would be correct there. hmmm, more about prince in a moment....
> geddy lee just has an unusually high pitched voice.
true. we never said he sang in falsetto.
> as for Geoffrey tattoo having a high pitched voice, i would tend to disagree. > listen to the empire album. he has a great voice and can sing in low range > and very high range, but i personally wouldn't call that falcetto.
good, `cause we never said he sang in falsetto either. :) tate actually has quite an incredible range (or did). there's a certain signature style to the way he will start for a split second on a MUCH lower note, then in the blink of an eye scoop it WAAAY up to the desired pitch. a voice director will tell you that's bad form, but i think it sounds great, at least when done by tate. also, ever notice the slight electronic tinge his voice sometimes seems to carry?? aside of obvious effects-embellishments on parts of, say, the "Promised Land" album, that's his actual, natural singing voice. verry cool quality to have.
oh yeah, the Prince thing i was going to mention. as completely eccentric & bizarre as that man is, he's for all intents & purposes a musical genius. to i mean that compositionally?? no, not really. i mean in sheer proficiency on almost any musical instrument. several years back, i remember seeing a ceremony where he was given some kind of musical distinction & achievement award for having MASTERED something like 17 or 18 different instruments. that, and not to mention HIS vocal mastery as well. granted, i can't say i always care for WHAT he sings, but the sheer range & control he has is nothing short of unbelievable. that's the ONLY instance that i give flat out respect to that guy/word/symbol/whatever...
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:41:22 +1000 From: "Karyn Hamilton" <littlewenda@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Sound good?? Message-ID: <BAY2-F154Zi71mrvoGd000852ed@hotmail.com>
Charmed, I'm sure ;-)
-- Karyn
>Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 23:52:09 -0500 >From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca> >To: ytsejam@torchsong.com >Subject: Re: Sound good?? and Re: Flamewar history > >wait, you're a female who likes Opeth and DT? We must meet, my dear :) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Karyn Hamilton > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:47 PM > Subject: Re: Sound good?? and Re: Flamewar history > > > Aha. The cds are found. My copy of 'Closure' (track 4) is 5:15 long, >and > you're right, it does sound incomplete :-/ > > -- Karyn
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