YTSEJAM digest 6706

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YTSEJAM Digest 6706

Today's Topics:

  1) Warning: No opinions allowed.
by Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu>
  2) Re: online ordering TOT
by Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
  3) Re: Warning: No opinions allowed.
by "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com>
  4) Re: New Bonus Material
by "Dave Schott" <admdave@qis.net>
  5) Re: Warning: No opinions allowed.
by Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu>
  6) Re: New Bonus Material
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
  7) IMHO of TOT (with Spoilers)
by "Stephen Gervois" <stephen.gervois@free.fr>
  8) bagpipe, new album
by Sebastian Keil <keil.s@web.de>
  9) FII
by rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com>
10) ToT at DDCD for $11.89 (free shipping)
by "Gary M Gettier" <ravens515@comcast.net>
11) RE: ToT at DDCD for $11.89 (free shipping)
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
12) Re: IMHO of TOT (with Spoilers)
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
13) Re: FII
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:34:33 -0600 (CST)
From: Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Warning: No opinions allowed.
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.50.0311131930310.23132-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

For the record, I don't like the new album enough to go out and buy it,
but I do like it a bit (when they're not ruining a decent song with ADD
wanks and awful lyrics). It's the strongest effort since FII, imo. Now,
responses...

> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:18:08 -0500
> From: "Dave Schott" <admdave@qis.net>
>
> And that's called being a fucking asshole... lighten up dude. If he doesn't
> agree with you how does that make your life miserable? Who cares if he likes
> Dream Theater. As for the lyrics if you don't like it make your own band and
> write your own lyrics.

1. So, what you're saying is, if I disagree with an opinion, I shouldn't
say so. No wonder this list has been so dead, if nobody thinks it's okay
to disagree.

2. And, it's funny how when a guy said he wouldn't buy the album based on
what he'd been told about the style, it was perfectly acceptable to call
him a sheep...

.. but when a guy says, "I'll buy anything DT puts out, because it's
DT!", it's not acceptable to make the same comment? Uh, hello, he
explicitly said he'd buy ANYTHING with their name on it just because of
the name! Duhhhhh!

> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:45:03 -0500
> From: "Kez" <bkeyser@cox.net>
>
> Some things just never change..........hehe
>
> Hi there, Mr. Hayden. Still haven't gotten over yourself, huh?

See #2 above. Kez, I respect you, but I think this was a silly
comment. I simply expressed my opinion (yes, in my vehement way, so shoot
me) and pointed out the silliness of blindly sucking down anything a band
puts out, just because that name is on it.

-Brian

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 01:51:41 +0000 (UTC)
From: Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: online ordering TOT
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0311140150470.5518@norge.freeshell.org>

dude, i just got mine yesterday, & it was in pristine condition. no
complaints here. :)

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Mike Shetzer wrote:

> Are you serious? Geez... those bastards somehow manage to lie to me about
> when they ship items (they shipped it three days AFTER they said it was
> mailed....), break the case on BOTH sides, AND take TWO WHOLE WEEKS to send
> it to me. That's where I draw the big fat line.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stan" <soculese@comcast.net>
> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 9:50 AM
> Subject: online ordering TOT
>
>
> > Online ordering can be a beautiful thing. So far, CDUniverse has never
> > burned me, and today looks like no exception. UPS lists my small brown
> box
> > containing TOT as shipped yesterday and already out for delivery!!!!! It
> > will be on my doorstep when I get home from work tonight. THIS IS GONNA
> > ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > Stan
> >
> >
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:25:32 -0800 From: "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Warning: No opinions allowed. Message-ID: <20031114042532.GA11329@zero>

0. Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu> farted: > For the record, I don't like the new album enough to go out and buy it, > but I do like it a bit (when they're not ruining a decent song with ADD > wanks and awful lyrics). It's the strongest effort since FII, imo. Now, > responses...

Yo Bri,

Strongest effort since SFaM I would say... 6DoIT was garbage.

-The Doc

> See #2 above. Kez, I respect you, but I think this was a silly > comment. I simply expressed my opinion (yes, in my vehement way, so shoot > me) and pointed out the silliness of blindly sucking down anything a band > puts out, just because that name is on it.

-------------- http://www.zeromemory.com - metal for your ears.

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:41:48 -0500 From: "Dave Schott" <admdave@qis.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: New Bonus Material Message-ID: <002c01c3aa69$9dadd8d0$0200a8c0@Two>

I'd like to save them to my HD, I hate stream content as I am on dial up, any help? I extracted the URL from the php page, but it won't let me do a save as

-Dave Schott (AdmiralDave) admdave@qis.net http://www.bangarangband.com

----- Original Message ----- From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:34 AM Subject: New Bonus Material

> When you BUY the DT CD, it will unlock some bonus material at the Dream > Theater web site for you. There are two videos which give great insight > into their recording process and footage from inside the studio as they were > rehearsing and recording. > Would be a bummer for you to miss out on that bonus stuff. Watched them > last night at home. > > JM > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Dodd [mailto:simon@copperstream.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:34 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > > ------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com> > > To: ytsejam@torchsong.com > > Subject: Re: My impressions > > > > The video pointed out clearly that unless Mike says so, Jordan can't play > > what he wants. This is the Petrucci and Portnoy show. > > Sorry, which video? > > ~sjd > >

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:52:50 -0600 (CST) From: Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Warning: No opinions allowed. Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.50.0311132251190.11739-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>

Saith Mosh:

> > For the record, I don't like the new album enough to go out and buy it, > > but I do like it a bit (when they're not ruining a decent song with ADD > > wanks and awful lyrics). It's the strongest effort since FII, imo. Now, > > responses... > > Yo Bri, > > Strongest effort since SFaM I would say... 6DoIT was garbage.

SFaM had its moments, but overall it felt like they tried way too hard to shoehorn things, lyrically, into the concept (obviously, lyrics are important to me).

And, anytime Jordan was left to his own devices his ditties drove me nuts. :)

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:04:15 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: New Bonus Material Message-ID: <002001c3aa6c$c0050450$9b00a8c0@mizz>

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I think it's done via shockwave or something. Or rather no it isnt, it can't be saved :P ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Schott To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:35 PM Subject: Re: New Bonus Material

I'd like to save them to my HD, I hate stream content as I am on dial up, any help? I extracted the URL from the php page, but it won't let me do a save as

-Dave Schott (AdmiralDave) admdave@qis.net http://www.bangarangband.com

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:30:47 +0100 From: "Stephen Gervois" <stephen.gervois@free.fr> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: IMHO of TOT (with Spoilers) Message-ID: <000801c3aa78$d808aaf0$e41d933e@cyco>

Spoilers to those who have not heard TOT yet but I guess it's a little late for you !

Before DT I came from a Metal/Fusion background, I guess a lot of you came from a rock background and don't like the sound and ideas. But that's only a guess because I LOVE THIS ALBUM (at least for the moment it's 4/7 and growing). I want to give the view of someone not only from a rock background, if this is the problem. I'm actually tired of only seeing the flaming and those who like the Album not speaking up (not many in anyway).

So here's my little review after near non stop listening since the 10th Nov =>

The album is overall very good with another direction change, one of those albums I think you don't like first time but ends up growing to 100000000 listens (like Awake, I&W and SFAM for me). As for the 3 weeks remember that both LTE's were made in less then that. I divide the Album into 2 parts the 3/7 not so good (yet) and the 4/7 amazing releases.

As I Am : I at first did not like this song but it's growing. I can critic the blatent "Black Album" James Het sounding voice (3:15 into the song). THis one is among the 3/7 not so good ones.

Dying Soul : Cool song, the kind I like, even the disto rappy bit starting at 3:46. This one is still among the 3/7 not so good ones.

Endless Sacrifice : Amazing song ! Great bass and timing very catchy even if not all understood yet (I goin to have a bitch of a time playing that one ;) ). The singing is great, all of it :) I love all the instru parts in the second half, as I have found (finaly understood) the direction. This is the 4/7 great parts.

Honor Thy Father : I love the start, it's much to much like Damage Inc., but I love it (has anyone else thought this). Oddly (?) I don't mind the rapping bit, I think it fits but then again I'm not a rap fan so I can't compare, a lot of you jammers seem to be rap fans ;) "Cross the crocked step ?", what is this ? This one is among the 3/7 not so good ones.

Vacant : Short, to the point, an "every one likes it" song. It's quite catchy, I hope I won't tire of this one too quickly. Nonetheless for the moment it's among the 4/7 greaties.

SOC : Wow wow and triple wow. So good I feel it's only 2 mins long. Pure xcellance. It's all there, and a lot sound like LTE. We've waited so long. It's among the 4/7.

In the name of God : Go for it Myung (8:38) ! Amazing song. Seems quite influenced by Jordan actually. I think my favorite for the moment, brings me back to the Awake days for no particular reason.

Thanks to the guys for giving birth to TOT.

Bye bye for now, back to TOT, ACBLF

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:44:00 +0100 From: Sebastian Keil <keil.s@web.de> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: bagpipe, new album Message-ID: <BBDA5460.664%keil.s@web.de>

Actually, I think the beginning is "Thunder" by ACDC, then it goes into Eruption.

The new album: I haven't listened to it enough, but I think I like it better than the 1st 6doit disc. However, many have complained about ripping parts from other bands - I think there's so much of their own material in it, I'd compare it to SFAM in that respect if it were a concept album.

And on a side, how come some people don't grasp the concept of opinion??

sab

PS:follow the leader

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 04:23:50 -0800 (PST) From: rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: FII Message-ID: <20031114122350.15222.qmail@web10706.mail.yahoo.com>

I'll tell you why I asked "what was so progressive about FII". I joined this list right after FII was released. The argument then (and I agree) was that DT had let label pressure water down the output of the band in hopes of a radio single. That is not progressive thinking IMO. Now as far as the music goes, Let me Breathe and Lines in the Sand can stand alone and be progressive. Peruvian Skies sounds like 2 of DT's favorite Metallica songs squished together. New Millenium, Trial of Tears may sound progressive when compared to Anna Lee and Take away my Pain. However, since FII was not the first album I listened to, I have to compare with the other DT albums and I believe that they did indeed take a step backward. Thank God for SFAM! I am not getting on the TOT bandwagon yet since it hasn't arrived yet. I can predict that I probably won't like it at first, but after several listens I may enjoy it. Kind of like what happened when I bought 6DoIT.

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:33:52 -0500 From: "Gary M Gettier" <ravens515@comcast.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: ToT at DDCD for $11.89 (free shipping) Message-ID: <000c01c3aaab$906bf6b0$143a1bac@ACAB2K10>

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http://www.deepdiscountcd.com/index.cfm?request=3Dcd.cfm?upc=3D0755962891 22

This is the best price I've seen. $11.89 with free shipping

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:35:26 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: ToT at DDCD for $11.89 (free shipping) Message-ID: <4642CF49B0BEB44386CA20BD34DC243801C8F33E@hhpech01.healthaxis.dom>

Tuesday morning I walked into Best Buy and paid $11.99. Didn't have to wait for it to be shipped :)

-----Original Message----- From: Gary M Gettier [mailto:ravens515@comcast.net]

http://www.deepdiscountcd.com/index.cfm?request=3Dcd.cfm?upc=3D075596289122

This is the best price I've seen. $11.89 with free shipping

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:25:22 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: IMHO of TOT (with Spoilers) Message-ID: <001901c3aabb$233a1080$9b00a8c0@mizz>

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My friend pointed out something to me yesterday I found amusing. Listen to the beginning of Endless Sacrifice, and hum "if you don't like my shit you can suck my dick" or however that Eminem song goes over it. I've only heard that song like 0.3 times and i find it kinda funny that the melody is similar.

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:28:45 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: FII Message-ID: <004401c3aabb$9c23e430$9b00a8c0@mizz>

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On the note of the progressivity of FII, Raise the Knife and The Way It Used To Be are pretty proggy too, and it's a shame they weren't placed on the album. Good thing we got to hear them anyway! ----- Original Message ----- From: rob denni To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 7:29 AM Subject: FII

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