YTSEJAM Digest 6713
Today's Topics:
1) Re: MP
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
2) Re: No, Lars, the album is just plain disappointing!
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
3) subtlety points
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@yahoo.com>
4) Re: subtlety points
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
5) short, late comments on TOT
by "Sigit Prabowo" <sigit.prabowo@bni.co.id>
6) Re: short, late comments on TOT
by "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
7) Re: short, late comments on TOT
by "Dave Schott" <admdave@qis.net>
8) Favorite DT albums
by "Stephen Gervois" <sgervois@atmel.fr>
9) Tallica, TnOTt
by Sebastian Keil <keil.s@web.de>
10) Re: Tallica, TnOTt
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net>
11) RE: TOT = Tech.Metal/fusion
by "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
12) RE: a thought or few
by "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
13) Re: No, Lars, the album is just plain disappointing!
by "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
14) RE: TOT = Tech.Metal/fusion
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net>
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:08:49 -0500
From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: MP
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Rob, I think I asked before but got no response. Who's Jadis and what's their story?
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From: Rob P
To: Multiple recipients of list
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:22 PM
Subject: RE: MP
Sure! Opeth "Damnation", OSI, new SB, Arena "Contagion", The Tangent, Jadis
"Fanatic" to name a few. All are in my topten for 2003. DT and Neal's disc
are not. Obviously. :)
>From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
>Reply-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
>Subject: RE: MP
>Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 06:05:29 -0800 (PST)
>
>Rob.... is there any music you actually like this year? LOL :)
>
> jm
>
>
>
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>From: Rob P [mailto:ytsejam2002@hotmail.com]
>
>
>I listened to that fill and I don't know why Mike had to even pay for
>it...it's not a big deal from the sound of the fill. Should I mention that
>Neal's album disappoints me too or will I get killed for that? Sounds too
>typical while the new SB has great songs throughout. <ducking>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:11:36 -0500
From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: No, Lars, the album is just plain disappointing!
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I see and hear your opinion and raise you 6.03 cents. I personally loathe the post black album Metallica also, although I caved and bought Load and Reload in shameful hopes....
My friend who's a big metal / prog / prog-metal fan (i.e. likes a lot of the stuff we jammers like) says that St.Anger is quite the strong disc. I tell him to shove it ;)
In other words, I long for the old metallica.
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From: Damon Fibraio
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Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: No, Lars, the album is just plain disappointing!
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Well, Garbage in, Garbage out as they say. I think Metalica is not fully
understanding why their sales are slipping, probably because their egos
still think they are the greatest metal band in the world. St. Anger is St.
disappinting in every aspect. The production is awful. Unconventional
technique my ass. I can produce better sounding shit in my non sound
proofed studio here. The drums are awful sounding, the guitars are barely
heard over the drums and if they are heard it is just a distorted pile of
sludge, the bass is rumble and nothing else, James is out of tune most of
the time and there are absolutely no effects on his voice at all, which
makes the whole production sound like it was recorded in a garage on really
crappy amateur equipment. I was taught once in a radio production class
that you are only as good as your last production. If that is true,
Metalica should be totally ashamed of themselves. I can live with the no
solos part, although I simply don't know why this trend even exists, what
is wrong with solos, but the sound of this album is something that any self
respecting band should never let out into the light of day. They should
have called the album St. Rough Mixes or ST. demos. And the lyrics are
silly. James, go back to drinking or drugging or whatever you did. <yes,
that's a joke before you flame me>. Honestly, I know that the days of Kill
'em all, master of puppets and And Justice for all are gone. I'd take
another black album and be happy. Hell, I'd take another Load and Reload,
at least you can hear things in those albums clearly. God, guys, you used
to be kings, now you are jokes. At least put out something that won't
sonically make my ears bleed. God, just when you think it can't get any
worse...next album is going to be all kazoos with James singing about how
exhausted he is while touring to unappreciative crowds in the U.S. who
figured out years ago that they don't have the fire anymore. Do us a favor,
go spend the time with your families and come back when you actually can
pull the cocks out of your ears and produce something that doesn't sound
worse than a Nirvana demo tape. Rant over, donning flame retardant body condom.
At 06:17 AM 11/19/2003, you wrote:
>I HAD noticed a lot of unsold copies of St. Anguish in stores,
>too..... As I read this, it shipped double-platinum but only sold 1.5
>million. :)
>
>[forwarded message]
>
> > Metallica's Hetfield Says 'St. Anger' Sales Are A 'Bummer'
> >
> > (Reuters) METALLICA frontman James Hetfield has told Reuters that the
> U.S. sales
> > of the group's latest album, which fell off the pop charts earlier
> > this month, are a "bummer."
> >
> > But the band are not giving up on its U.S. fans, and plan to launch a
> > six-month tour of indoor arenas on March 2, they announced backstage
> > at the American Music Awards on Sunday.
> >
> > "St. Anger" has sold about 1.5 million copies in the United States
> > since it debuted at No. 1 in June, according to Nielsen SoundScan (the
> > record has been certified double-platinum by the Recording Industry
> > Assocationa of America).
> >
> > "It's a bummer," Hetfield said. "In Europe it's doing really good, and
> > some other places ... It is what it is. We can't change that. We do
> > our best and that's all we can do."
> >
> > Drummer Lars Ulrich said "St. Anger" is METALLICA's best seller in
> > Europe since its 1991 self-titled release, the so-called "black
> > album," and the band are preparing to launch their third "St. Anger"
> > tour there in December.
> >
> > "It's a very challenging record," Ulrich said of "St. Anger", which
> > was features no guitar solos and was widely panned for its
> > "unconventional" production approach. He added that U.S. rock radio
> > programmers seemed more interested in playing bands like NICKELBACK.
> >
> > METALLICA recently scrapped their South American tour because of
> > exhaustion, and Hetfield expressed mixed emotions about their busy
> > tour itinerary. The band just returned from Japan and will also play
> > New Zealand and Australia early next year.
> >
> > "We've been a live band, get out there and play, play, play. It's
> > kinda tough, because nowadays that was the area we wanted to lay back
> > on a little bit, and enjoy our families."
> >
> > METALLICA's record sales in the U.S., according to the Recording
> > Industry Association of America (RIAA):
> >
> > "Metallica" (1991) - 13 million
> > "And Justice For All" (1988) - 8 million
> > "Master of Puppets" (1986) - 6 million
> > "Ride The Lightning" (1984) - 5 million
> > "S&M" (1999) - 5 million
> > "Load" (1996) - 5 million
> > "Reload" (1997) - 3 million
> > "Kill 'Em All" (1983) - 3 million
> > "St. Anger" (2003) - 2 million
>
>
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:30:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: subtlety points
Message-ID: <20031120003018.69061.qmail@web21401.mail.yahoo.com>
for one thing, the events behind in the name of god
won't suddenly be forgotten by everyone anytime soon,
the way the Great Debate's topic was overshadowed
(understatement) by 9/11....
second, as cliche as those lyrics might be, I think DT
deserves major points for throwing the Battle Hymn of
the Republic underneath the closing moments of that
track....i mean, the great majority of the album's
buyers are going to be Christian, and you read the
lyrics, and it looks like they're talking about Muslim
terrorists....I'm not Christian, and that's the way I
took it, just in case you care....but then I heard
what was going on underneath the music at the end, and
after I got over the thought that maybe they wussed
out and wanted to balance stuff out for fear of some
backlash, I decided that it was a kickass way of
saying to those who would point at people of another
religious persuasion, "hey, it's not like you're so
damn innocent yourself...."
as "blah" as the regular lyrics might be....that song
tok a huge leap in my estimation when I figured that
bit out....
>I think the argument is really moot. Most
>entertainment artists will write lyrics based on
>current events. Be it good or bad, it's still based
>on something, which is current events. The only
>problem I see with In the Name of God is the lyrics
>are sort of cliche.
>-The Doc
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:03:40 -0500
From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: subtlety points
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Battle Hymn of the Republic? That sounds familiar... what is that and where on the CD is it?
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From: Partha Mukhopadhyay
To: Multiple recipients of list
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 7:36 PM
Subject: subtlety points
for one thing, the events behind in the name of god
won't suddenly be forgotten by everyone anytime soon,
the way the Great Debate's topic was overshadowed
(understatement) by 9/11....
second, as cliche as those lyrics might be, I think DT
deserves major points for throwing the Battle Hymn of
the Republic underneath the closing moments of that
track....i mean, the great majority of the album's
buyers are going to be Christian, and you read the
lyrics, and it looks like they're talking about Muslim
terrorists....I'm not Christian, and that's the way I
took it, just in case you care....but then I heard
what was going on underneath the music at the end, and
after I got over the thought that maybe they wussed
out and wanted to balance stuff out for fear of some
backlash, I decided that it was a kickass way of
saying to those who would point at people of another
religious persuasion, "hey, it's not like you're so
damn innocent yourself...."
as "blah" as the regular lyrics might be....that song
tok a huge leap in my estimation when I figured that
bit out....
>I think the argument is really moot. Most
>entertainment artists will write lyrics based on
>current events. Be it good or bad, it's still based
>on something, which is current events. The only
>problem I see with In the Name of God is the lyrics
>are sort of cliche.
>-The Doc
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:55:16 +0700
From: "Sigit Prabowo" <sigit.prabowo@bni.co.id>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: short, late comments on TOT
Message-ID: <007301c3af09$580c6680$0cca17ac@sigitprabowo>
1. It arrived this morning from Amazon.
2. It rocks hard.
3. It reminds us all that DT is, first and foremost, a METAL band.
4. I'm only up to track 3 now.
5. I think this disc features John Hetfield and James LaHetfield.
6. I absolutely love this disc.
7. I didn't download the album this time around.
8. I sure would have if I could.
9. Why? US/Euro release dates don't matter to me. I will always get it late
in Indonesia.
10. Now I have to find the setting for Active X controls that will allow me
to see the bonus material. I think my PC is too secure.
11. This disc kicks ass.
12. Thanks DT.
cheers,
Sigit Prabowo
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:56:49 -0500
From: "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: short, late comments on TOT
Message-ID: <Law15-F14apKCv6GAln00020925@hotmail.com>
1. Amazon is the evil empire and should be avoided.
2. Everyone knows what I think the disc does...rocks is not the word...
3. It reminds me to put on something else.
4. Why is this thing numbered?
5. I need sleep.
6 Fairies Wear Boots.
7. I have a red pencil box.
8. There is no 8.
9. Better late than never
10. Thanks to no one in particular.
11. Good night
>From: "Sigit Prabowo" <sigit.prabowo@bni.co.id>
>Reply-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
>Subject: short, late comments on TOT
>Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:07:35 -0800 (PST)
>
>1. It arrived this morning from Amazon.
>2. It rocks hard.
>3. It reminds us all that DT is, first and foremost, a METAL band.
>4. I'm only up to track 3 now.
>5. I think this disc features John Hetfield and James LaHetfield.
>6. I absolutely love this disc.
>7. I didn't download the album this time around.
>8. I sure would have if I could.
>9. Why? US/Euro release dates don't matter to me. I will always get it late
>in Indonesia.
>10. Now I have to find the setting for Active X controls that will allow me
>to see the bonus material. I think my PC is too secure.
>11. This disc kicks ass.
>12. Thanks DT.
>
>cheers,
>Sigit Prabowo
>
>
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:41:42 -0500
From: "Dave Schott" <admdave@qis.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: short, late comments on TOT
Message-ID: <00d901c3af18$3705d1b0$0200a8c0@Two>
Wow... you really are an ass...
-Dave Schott (AdmiralDave)
admdave@qis.net
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From: "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: short, late comments on TOT
>
> 1. Amazon is the evil empire and should be avoided.
> 2. Everyone knows what I think the disc does...rocks is not the word...
> 3. It reminds me to put on something else.
> 4. Why is this thing numbered?
> 5. I need sleep.
> 6 Fairies Wear Boots.
> 7. I have a red pencil box.
> 8. There is no 8.
> 9. Better late than never
> 10. Thanks to no one in particular.
> 11. Good night
>
> >From: "Sigit Prabowo" <sigit.prabowo@bni.co.id>
> >Reply-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
> >To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
> >Subject: short, late comments on TOT
> >Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:07:35 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >1. It arrived this morning from Amazon.
> >2. It rocks hard.
> >3. It reminds us all that DT is, first and foremost, a METAL band.
> >4. I'm only up to track 3 now.
> >5. I think this disc features John Hetfield and James LaHetfield.
> >6. I absolutely love this disc.
> >7. I didn't download the album this time around.
> >8. I sure would have if I could.
> >9. Why? US/Euro release dates don't matter to me. I will always get it
late
> >in Indonesia.
> >10. Now I have to find the setting for Active X controls that will allow
me
> >to see the bonus material. I think my PC is too secure.
> >11. This disc kicks ass.
> >12. Thanks DT.
> >
> >cheers,
> >Sigit Prabowo
> >
> >
>
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:42:01 +0100
From: "Stephen Gervois" <sgervois@atmel.fr>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Favorite DT albums
Message-ID: <0c7401c3af39$c95826a0$3cff9f0a@PCxxxx>
OK I know it's almost impossible to put some DT albums in front of others
but give it a try.
Actually a few have been saying that they were disappointed with SFAM.
It's actually my favorite album.
I'm just interested in seeing your order of favorite albums (Old and new
ytsejammers euuhhh fogies).
I don't think we should include TOT yet until at least 6 months, otherwise I
know I can't have the retrospect.
I love them all, so here's my top 7 :
1) SFAM
2) Awake
3) I&W
4) 6DOIT
5) FII
6) WD&DU
7) ACOS
So, from my point of view, the years have not tired them...
ACBLF
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:07:47 +0100
From: Sebastian Keil <keil.s@web.de>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Tallica, TnOTt
Message-ID: <BBE234E3.6F5%keil.s@web.de>
Hi there,
Damon
<I was taught once in a radio production class
that you are only as good as your last production.> is a load of crap.
What the teacher maybe meant to say is that sales are related to the quality
of the release. The songs as such don't get better with better production.
As for the new album, I am missing melodies!!!
sab
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 03:27:40 -0500
From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Tallica, TnOTt
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Well, we're comparing art to money again. And the two never mix.
At 03:10 AM 11/20/2003, you wrote:
>Hi there,
>
>Damon
><I was taught once in a radio production class
>that you are only as good as your last production.> is a load of crap.
>What the teacher maybe meant to say is that sales are related to the quality
>of the release. The songs as such don't get better with better production.
>
>
>As for the new album, I am missing melodies!!!
>
>sab
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 19:48:18 +1100 From: "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: TOT = Tech.Metal/fusion Message-ID: <OPEJJAPFDGDMCLAHLLIMMEBGDCAA.ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
Have you listened to Planet X? Derek's no slouch...
> -----Original Message----- > From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of > Damon Fibraio > Sent: Wednesday, 19 November 2003 10:54 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: TOT = Tech.Metal/fusion > > Derek: Soundwise, the most superior keyboardist DT has ever had. > His organ > sound ruled and I am still trying to emulate it myself. His lead sounds > also ruled. Unfortunatley, derek did not have the chops to cover some of > the parts that DT had at the time. When he tried to do the solo for Take > the Time, it hurt, his rendition of Wait for Sleep is painful, and to me, > he just didn't seem to fit in. if we can only have Jordan's > technique with > Derek's keyboard sounds, Iwould be extremely happy. But, given > the choice, > please keep Jordan in the band. I don't know if anybody will be able to > replace him, honestly.
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 19:52:22 +1100 From: "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: a thought or few Message-ID: <OPEJJAPFDGDMCLAHLLIMAEBHDCAA.ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
> Granted, there's no blind faith on > this, but like someone said in the last jam, that > track is brilliant, and in my book the best DT song > since Scarred....
Absolutely... personally, I would rather they just released Blind Faith as a single with Misunderstood as a B side than the 6DOIT album ;P I'm sure that'll make me popular on the list :P
Niall
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:52:47 -0500 From: "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: No, Lars, the album is just plain disappointing! Message-ID: <Law15-F28pZuKbjUC1K0002082b@hotmail.com>
I am not a huge Metallica fan, so I will start with that. I thought St Anger was good but not great by any means. The intent was good, execution was misguided at best. I haven't listened to it after the first 3 weeks. Nothing like adding meanless banter to a dead thread.
>From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca> >Reply-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com >To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> >Subject: Re: No, Lars, the album is just plain disappointing! >Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:00:17 -0800 (PST) > >--Boundary_(ID_iAapBIirARGVc8yx/hcCHg) >Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > >I see and hear your opinion and raise you 6.03 cents. I personally loathe >the post black album Metallica also, although I caved and bought Load and >Reload in shameful hopes.... >My friend who's a big metal / prog / prog-metal fan (i.e. likes a lot of >the stuff we jammers like) says that St.Anger is quite the strong disc. I >tell him to shove it ;) >In other words, I long for the old metallica. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Damon Fibraio > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:22 PM > Subject: Re: No, Lars, the album is just plain disappointing! > > > --=======39AE62D1==== > Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-424014FB; >charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Well, Garbage in, Garbage out as they say. I think Metalica is not fully > understanding why their sales are slipping, probably because their egos > still think they are the greatest metal band in the world. St. Anger is >St. > disappinting in every aspect. The production is awful. Unconventional > technique my ass. I can produce better sounding shit in my non sound > proofed studio here. The drums are awful sounding, the guitars are >barely > heard over the drums and if they are heard it is just a distorted pile >of > sludge, the bass is rumble and nothing else, James is out of tune most >of > the time and there are absolutely no effects on his voice at all, which > makes the whole production sound like it was recorded in a garage on >really > crappy amateur equipment. I was taught once in a radio production class > that you are only as good as your last production. If that is true, > Metalica should be totally ashamed of themselves. I can live with the no > solos part, although I simply don't know why this trend even exists, >what > is wrong with solos, but the sound of this album is something that any >self > respecting band should never let out into the light of day. They should > have called the album St. Rough Mixes or ST. demos. And the lyrics are > silly. James, go back to drinking or drugging or whatever you did. <yes, > that's a joke before you flame me>. Honestly, I know that the days of >Kill > 'em all, master of puppets and And Justice for all are gone. I'd take > another black album and be happy. Hell, I'd take another Load and >Reload, > at least you can hear things in those albums clearly. God, guys, you >used > to be kings, now you are jokes. At least put out something that won't > sonically make my ears bleed. God, just when you think it can't get any > worse...next album is going to be all kazoos with James singing about >how > exhausted he is while touring to unappreciative crowds in the U.S. who > figured out years ago that they don't have the fire anymore. Do us a >favor, > go spend the time with your families and come back when you actually can > pull the cocks out of your ears and produce something that doesn't sound > worse than a Nirvana demo tape. Rant over, donning flame retardant body >condom. > > At 06:17 AM 11/19/2003, you wrote: > > >I HAD noticed a lot of unsold copies of St. Anguish in stores, > >too..... As I read this, it shipped double-platinum but only sold 1.5 > >million. :) > > > >[forwarded message] > > > > > Metallica's Hetfield Says 'St. Anger' Sales Are A 'Bummer' > > > > > > (Reuters) METALLICA frontman James Hetfield has told Reuters that >the > > U.S. sales > > > of the group's latest album, which fell off the pop charts earlier > > > this month, are a "bummer." > > > > > > But the band are not giving up on its U.S. fans, and plan to launch >a > > > six-month tour of indoor arenas on March 2, they announced backstage > > > at the American Music Awards on Sunday. > > > > > > "St. Anger" has sold about 1.5 million copies in the United States > > > since it debuted at No. 1 in June, according to Nielsen SoundScan >(the > > > record has been certified double-platinum by the Recording Industry > > > Assocationa of America). > > > > > > "It's a bummer," Hetfield said. "In Europe it's doing really good, >and > > > some other places ... It is what it is. We can't change that. We do > > > our best and that's all we can do." > > > > > > Drummer Lars Ulrich said "St. Anger" is METALLICA's best seller in > > > Europe since its 1991 self-titled release, the so-called "black > > > album," and the band are preparing to launch their third "St. Anger" > > > tour there in December. > > > > > > "It's a very challenging record," Ulrich said of "St. Anger", which > > > was features no guitar solos and was widely panned for its > > > "unconventional" production approach. He added that U.S. rock radio > > > programmers seemed more interested in playing bands like NICKELBACK. > > > > > > METALLICA recently scrapped their South American tour because of > > > exhaustion, and Hetfield expressed mixed emotions about their busy > > > tour itinerary. The band just returned from Japan and will also play > > > New Zealand and Australia early next year. > > > > > > "We've been a live band, get out there and play, play, play. It's > > > kinda tough, because nowadays that was the area we wanted to lay >back > > > on a little bit, and enjoy our families." > > > > > > METALLICA's record sales in the U.S., according to the Recording > > > Industry Association of America (RIAA): > > > > > > "Metallica" (1991) - 13 million > > > "And Justice For All" (1988) - 8 million > > > "Master of Puppets" (1986) - 6 million > > > "Ride The Lightning" (1984) - 5 million > > > "S&M" (1999) - 5 million > > > "Load" (1996) - 5 million > > > "Reload" (1997) - 3 million > > > "Kill 'Em All" (1983) - 3 million > > > "St. Anger" (2003) - 2 million > > > > > >-- > >+--- Paul W. 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Go to our site at >http://www.nhbradio.com > > "To those who understand, I extend my hand > To the doubtful I demand, take me as I am > Not under your command, I know where I stand > I won't change to fit your plan, take me as I am."--Dream Theater, As I >am > > "All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers turn to look at the stars > All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars > Turn around and walk the razor's edge."--Neil Peart of Rush, The Pass > > --=======39AE62D1=======-- > > >--Boundary_(ID_iAapBIirARGVc8yx/hcCHg) >---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 04:08:13 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: RE: TOT = Tech.Metal/fusion Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031120040659.01c79cc8@mail.comcast.net>
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I know Derek is no slouch. Irespect that man's ability to play the shit he does. But Idon't know if he was cut out for what DT wanted to do. Granted, FII is a favorite album of mine and LInes in the sand is great, but when you listen to him play the Kevin More material, you can tell it is just not quite right.
At 03:40 AM 11/20/2003, you wrote:
>Have you listened to Planet X? Derek's no slouch... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of > > Damon Fibraio > > Sent: Wednesday, 19 November 2003 10:54 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Re: TOT = Tech.Metal/fusion > > > > Derek: Soundwise, the most superior keyboardist DT has ever had. > > His organ > > sound ruled and I am still trying to emulate it myself. His lead sounds > > also ruled. Unfortunatley, derek did not have the chops to cover some of > > the parts that DT had at the time. When he tried to do the solo for Take > > the Time, it hurt, his rendition of Wait for Sleep is painful, and to me, > > he just didn't seem to fit in. if we can only have Jordan's > > technique with > > Derek's keyboard sounds, Iwould be extremely happy. But, given > > the choice, > > please keep Jordan in the band. I don't know if anybody will be able to > > replace him, honestly.
-- Damon Fibraio, email dfibraio@comcast.net Musician, broadcaster, computer technician, and troublemaker aol instant messenger screenname: dfibraio MSN Messenger screenname: dfibraio@comcast.net: Band site: Visions: http://www.visions692000.com Listen to no Holds Barred Radio. Go to our site at http://www.nhbradio.com
"To those who understand, I extend my hand To the doubtful I demand, take me as I am Not under your command, I know where I stand I won't change to fit your plan, take me as I am."--Dream Theater, As I am
"All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers turn to look at the stars All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars Turn around and walk the razor's edge."--Neil Peart of Rush, The Pass
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