YTSEJAM Digest 6722
Today's Topics:
1) re: wankery
by "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
2) Re: Don't cross the crooked step
by "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
3) SFAM
by George Papadopetros <gp1@unimelb.edu.au>
4) RE: wankery
by "Ilia" <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
5) Re: Don't cross the crooked step
by Antony Gelberg <antony@antgel.co.uk>
6) Artist Shop Newsletter
by Gary Davis <artshop@artist-shop.com>
7) Re: Don't cross the crooked step
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net>
8) RE: wankery
by "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
9) Re: Don't cross the crooked step
by "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
10) Re: Don't cross the crooked step
by "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 22:29:49 -0500
From: "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: re: wankery
Message-ID: <Law15-F28IHupeyyfII0001db97@hotmail.com>
Boy you really are an idiot. Damn 12 yearolds on dad's PC again...LOL!
>From: "Ilia" <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
>Subject: re: wankery
>Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 20:32:37 -0800 (PST)
>
>I have a question for you......
>
>Rob wrote:
> >I don't. My definition of wankery stems from clowns like Yngwie, who I
> >cannot stand. When solos become silly, I lose interest. I think the
>border
> >line for JP's solos is the one on Erotomania. That one to me walks the
> >wankery line very dangerously. I know alot of folks probably love it but
>I
> >think it is borderline. I threw ToT in yet again last night and got
>pissed
> >off in the middle of Honour Thy Father and hit eject. The line "Don't
>cross
> >the crooked step" got me so friggin pissed off and I had enough. I put
>in
> >something completely different. This CD isn't even in my top 20 for the
> >year. A disc with 4 decent tracks just doesn't cut it for me. I am
>going
> >to file it and try to let it go. I cannot force myself to like it I
>guess.
> >[sigh]
>
>Does your pussy hurt?
>
>Purely curious, but you don't have to answer that.
>
>
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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 22:32:03 -0500
From: "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Don't cross the crooked step
Message-ID: <Law15-F11SOlbpH71yE0001c843@hotmail.com>
Sorry he has problems with his stepfather. I don't care to hear about it in
a song. Plus that line is one of silliest ever.
>From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
>Reply-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
>Subject: Re: Don't cross the crooked step
>Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 20:31:32 -0800 (PST)
>
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>ah... that makes more sense. MP sounds pretty pissed :S
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert Taylor
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 10:29 PM
> Subject: Re: Don't cross the crooked step
>
>
>
>
> According to an online chat with MP, Honor Thy Father is about MP's
> step-father, hence the line "don't cross the crooked step."
>
> -Rob
>
> NP: DT - ToT
>
> <-----Original Message----->
> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:06:39 -0500
> From: "Rob P"
> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
> Subject: Re: wankery
> Message-ID:
>
> I don't. My definition of wankery stems from clowns like Yngwie, who I
> cannot stand. When solos become silly, I lose interest. I think the
> border
> line for JP's solos is the one on Erotomania. That one to me walks the
> wankery line very dangerously. I know alot of folks probably love it but
> I
> think it is borderline. I threw ToT in yet again last night and got
> pissed
> off in the middle of Honour Thy Father and hit eject. The line "Don't
> cross
> the crooked step" got me so friggin pissed off and I had enough. I put
> in
> something completely different. This CD isn't even in my top 20 for the
> year. A disc with 4 decent tracks just doesn't cut it for me. I am going
> to file it and try to let it go. I cannot force myself to like it I
> guess.
> [sigh]
>
>
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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 15:36:10 +1100
From: George Papadopetros <gp1@unimelb.edu.au>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: SFAM
Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20031128124308.00b9e880@clyde.its.unimelb.edu.au>
Was I the one that said SFAM was my least favourite cd? (FOOL)
I gotta tell you I've had it at work all week and it's just WOW. What have
I been missing since I last put it away. I'm still not too keen on a whole
cd dedicated to a theater type production (2112 was just long enough) but
I'll get over that. As usual their musical ability and the tightness of
their sound etc etc just blew me away. I must have been distracted by my
wife's nagging when I'd previously listened to it.
Still waiting for TOT to arrive down under. Hopefully tonight, as promised
by the local store.
George.
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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 02:26:31 -0500
From: "Ilia" <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: wankery
Message-ID: <LJEJLFCHDEEHAGCHOFPHOEBECBAA.painlessscream@yahoo.com>
The Admiral wrote:
>Shut the hell up, he is entitled to his opinion, and we don't need that
kind
>of talk here.
If he's entitled to an opinion, am I not entitled to a question regarding
it? Are opinions absolutely sacred from scrutiny, per Item #1 on the
recently-posted prog-criteria list? Particularly thinking people (and I
assume those who claim to be fans of 'progressive' are such), is it really
so wrong to poke fun at how much someone so dislikes something so
subjective? I mean, did no one (ladies on the list respectfully excluded)
find a touch of humor in my allusion to the mythical PMS?
Opinions are one thing, whining about things he and everybody else already
said several times are another. Freedom of opinion is one thing, rubbing in
your personal psychological reaction to the thing that is the object of said
opinion is another. It makes no one friendlier to each other when some
people's utter hatred for things that some other people love (or at least
don't vehemently dislike) is expressed so blatantly.
I say all this, and I don't even have much to say in defense of TOT or
wankery....
Ilia
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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 18:43:39 +0000
From: Antony Gelberg <antony@antgel.co.uk>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Don't cross the crooked step
Message-ID: <20031128184339.GB8936@brain.pulsesol.com>
On Thu, Nov 27, 2003 at 07:41:27PM -0800, Rob P wrote:
> Sorry he has problems with his stepfather. I don't care to hear about it in
> a song. Plus that line is one of silliest ever.
In your opinion.
T
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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:23:41 -0500
From: Gary Davis <artshop@artist-shop.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Artist Shop Newsletter
Message-ID: <2.2.32.20031128192341.0442046c@gwis.com>
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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:48:36 -0500
From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Don't cross the crooked step
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20031128144711.01c858d8@mail.comcast.net>
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I have to agree. I don't know why fans feel they have to dictate to a band
what they should write about. If you don't want to hear it, skip the song.
Artists express themselves in whatever way they feel they need to, so if MP
wants to write a song expressing his feelings over a family matter, that is
his right. Hell, modern rock bands like Korn have made an industry out of
it, and I don't hear anybody complaining, but if DT does it, it sucks?
Let's get real here. You are entitled to your opinion, but I don't think it
is fair to tell somebody what their lyrical content should be. Just don't
listen to the song.
At 01:35 PM 11/28/2003, you wrote:
>On Thu, Nov 27, 2003 at 07:41:27PM -0800, Rob P wrote:
> > Sorry he has problems with his stepfather. I don't care to hear about
> it in
> > a song. Plus that line is one of silliest ever.
>
>In your opinion.
>
>T
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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:52:21 -0500 From: "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: RE: wankery Message-ID: <Law15-F108FmOV7rXT70001fee0@hotmail.com>
Well if you think insulting me is funny...that's your problem. I don't care what you think of me or my opinion. Again, that is also your problem. Beyond my own opinion on the album, my other point was basically jealousy of those that actually think it's really a great album. In closing, if you are that concerned with genetialia...perhaps you should try a different kind of mailing list.
Hope you had a lovely holiday.
>From: "Ilia" <painlessscream@yahoo.com> >Reply-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com >To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> >Subject: RE: wankery >Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 23:12:30 -0800 (PST) > >The Admiral wrote: > >Shut the hell up, he is entitled to his opinion, and we don't need that >kind > >of talk here. > >If he's entitled to an opinion, am I not entitled to a question regarding >it? Are opinions absolutely sacred from scrutiny, per Item #1 on the >recently-posted prog-criteria list? Particularly thinking people (and I >assume those who claim to be fans of 'progressive' are such), is it really >so wrong to poke fun at how much someone so dislikes something so >subjective? I mean, did no one (ladies on the list respectfully excluded) >find a touch of humor in my allusion to the mythical PMS? > >Opinions are one thing, whining about things he and everybody else already >said several times are another. Freedom of opinion is one thing, rubbing >in >your personal psychological reaction to the thing that is the object of >said >opinion is another. It makes no one friendlier to each other when some >people's utter hatred for things that some other people love (or at least >don't vehemently dislike) is expressed so blatantly. > >I say all this, and I don't even have much to say in defense of TOT or >wankery.... > >Ilia > >
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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:53:08 -0500 From: "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Don't cross the crooked step Message-ID: <Law15-F102drqAI7xaI0001f2f2@hotmail.com>
Sorry yes in my opinion...but I thought that part was obvious. My bad.
>From: Antony Gelberg <antony@antgel.co.uk> >Reply-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com >To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> >Subject: Re: Don't cross the crooked step >Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:34:44 -0800 (PST) > >On Thu, Nov 27, 2003 at 07:41:27PM -0800, Rob P wrote: > > Sorry he has problems with his stepfather. I don't care to hear about >it in > > a song. Plus that line is one of silliest ever. > >In your opinion. > >T
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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 16:26:09 -0500 From: "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Don't cross the crooked step Message-ID: <Law15-F75rq4JtFuuJY0002035e@hotmail.com>
It's funny you should mention Korn, the lyrics do remind me of them! And yeah I do skip the song and a few other tracks. Well I did. Ok nevermind, forget I brought it up. I should just say ToT rulz man.
Old fogey with his pussy...cat that is.
>From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net> >Reply-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com >To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> >Subject: Re: Don't cross the crooked step >Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 12:05:45 -0800 (PST) > >--=======31AC6BF9===== >Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-7D583B25; charset=us-ascii; >format=flowed > >I have to agree. I don't know why fans feel they have to dictate to a band >what they should write about. If you don't want to hear it, skip the song. >Artists express themselves in whatever way they feel they need to, so if MP >wants to write a song expressing his feelings over a family matter, that is >his right. Hell, modern rock bands like Korn have made an industry out of >it, and I don't hear anybody complaining, but if DT does it, it sucks? >Let's get real here. You are entitled to your opinion, but I don't think it >is fair to tell somebody what their lyrical content should be. Just don't >listen to the song. > >At 01:35 PM 11/28/2003, you wrote: > > >On Thu, Nov 27, 2003 at 07:41:27PM -0800, Rob P wrote: > > > Sorry he has problems with his stepfather. I don't care to hear about > > it in > > > a song. Plus that line is one of silliest ever. > > > >In your opinion. > > > >T > >-- >Damon Fibraio, email dfibraio@comcast.net >Musician, broadcaster, computer technician, and troublemaker >aol instant messenger screenname: dfibraio MSN Messenger screenname: >dfibraio@comcast.net: Band site: Visions: http://www.visions692000.com >Listen to no Holds Barred Radio. Go to our site at http://www.nhbradio.com > >"To those who understand, I extend my hand >To the doubtful I demand, take me as I am >Not under your command, I know where I stand >I won't change to fit your plan, take me as I am."--Dream Theater, As I am > >"All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers turn to look at the stars >All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars >Turn around and walk the razor's edge."--Neil Peart of Rush, The Pass > >--=======31AC6BF9=======-- >
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