YTSEJAM Digest 6775
Today's Topics:
1) ENOUGH!!!!
by Snarncymbl@aol.com
2) Re: ENOUGH!!!!
by Sarah Hallum <sarah@subtlerage.com>
3) Re: *****SPAM***** Re: ENOUGH!!!!
by Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu>
4) Re: ENOUGH!!!!
by Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu>
5) Re: ENOUGH!!!!
by Adam Perkowsky <perk1994@yahoo.com>
6) Re: ENOUGH!!!!
by Andrew Coutermarsh <andrew@acvox.com>
7) Re: ENOUGH!!!!
by Antony Gelberg <antony@antgel.co.uk>
8) Re: ENOUGH!!!!
by "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com>
9) Re: Ticket Prices
by "Neil Evans" <progmtl@verizon.net>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 6774
by "Stephen & Roslyn Arthur" <stevenros@btinternet.com>
11) Thanksgiving all over again
by "Robert B. Wells" <surrealer@earthlink.net>
12) Re: Ticket Prices
by Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu>
13) Re: Ticket Prices
by Kgahjah1@aol.com
14) Re: Ticket Prices
by Kgahjah1@aol.com
15) Re: new products
by Kgahjah1@aol.com
16) RE: Ticket Prices
by "Todd O. Klindt" <todd@klindt.org>
17) RE: Ticket Prices
by Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu>
18) Re: Ticket Prices
by Lisa Palma <comadivine@covad.net>
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:46:17 EST
From: Snarncymbl@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: ENOUGH!!!!
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I have had enough. I have had enough of all your whining and bickering. If
you were a true DT fan, you would be happy they were coming to town. I mean, if
you don't like the "packages", then don't buy one. Its as simple as that. You
don't have to criticize the band.
As far as their song writing going downhill, I happen to disagree. I think
that the lyrics are just as powerful as ever. You just don't like it because it
wasn't the same thing you first heard when you became a fan. That's what makes
DT so great, the fact that they haven't stayed the same. Its impossible to.
They are forced by the so-called fans to do better and when they do, you call
them sell outs.
So please, shut up. Why can't we ever say anything positive about Dream
Theater? How about "Hey DT, can't wait till you come to my town once again." or
"Everytime DT plays a show its more then awesome.". In my opinion, DT rocks the
house everytime they play. And for me this a big treat because every show Ive
been too, its always been Dream Theater as the "Middle Act" and this "Evening
with Dream Theater" has me really excited. I will finally get a chance to see
all 3 hours of DT.
You know, for YtseJam being the official DT mailing list, more and more it
becomes the Anti-DT Fanlistings. Its ridiculous how you all act. Are you going
to criticize me? Go ahead, you always do. Everytime I defend DT, everyone
always takes my words, breaks them down, and talks about it line-from-line. Go
ahead. Please, I beg you. Argue with me. It would be shocking if you don't. I
signed up because I wanted a chance to talk to other fans about DT. I wanted
people to talk to about them coming to town and how great it is going to be. Talk
about our favorite songs and how we got into them. All I have seen is a group
of people who get their jollys off by talking trash about everything DT does.
You are all disgraceful. Its one thing to state your opinion but its another
thing to opinionate as if it were fact. Get over yourselves and lets have some
fun talking about DT instead of seperating DT fans.
Art Fernandez,
Dallas,Texas
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:35:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Sarah Hallum <sarah@subtlerage.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: ENOUGH!!!!
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.51.0401222234090.21679@weasel.doughmein.net>
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 Snarncymbl@aol.com wrote:
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> I have had enough. I have had enough of all your whining and bickering. If
> you were a true DT fan, you would be happy they were coming to town. I mean, if
> you don't like the "packages", then don't buy one. Its as simple as that. You
> don't have to criticize the band.
I suspect people are upset that DT is selling what they used to give away
for free.
And no one would tear your posts apart if you didn't expect us to be
mindless DT fan-drones.
Sarah
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:59:07 -0600 (CST)
From: Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: *****SPAM***** Re: ENOUGH!!!!
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.50.0401222158440.8504-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, Sarah Hallum wrote:
> I suspect people are upset that DT is selling what they used to give away
> for free.
>
> And no one would tear your posts apart if you didn't expect us to be
> mindless DT fan-drones.
The quiet ones, so often, speak wisdom.
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:15:27 -0600 (CST)
From: Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: ENOUGH!!!!
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.50.0401222213030.10781-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 Snarncymbl@aol.com wrote:
> that the lyrics are just as powerful as ever. You just don't like it because
> wasn't the same thing you first heard when you became a fan.
If you could actually read other people's minds, I hope you'd be smart
enough to go use that to make a killing in Vegas. Since you seem, rather,
to be applying your spoon-bending brain to character sketches of people
you know through handfuls of words on a mailing list... I can only surmise
that you're both stupid, and clueless.
Oh, look. That spoon is still straight.
> You are all disgraceful. Its one thing to state your opinion but its another
> thing to opinionate as if it were fact.
Look, mommy, look! It's that boy who always says silly thing! Let's stop
and listen!
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:17:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Adam Perkowsky <perk1994@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: ENOUGH!!!!
Message-ID: <20040123041753.51099.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com>
Hey everyone,
--- Snarncymbl@aol.com wrote:
> I have had enough. I have had enough of all your
whining and bickering. If you were a true DT fan, you
would be happy they were coming to town. I mean, if
you don't like the "packages", then don't buy one.
Its as simple as that. You don't have to criticize the
band.>
BULL!!! I am first and foremost a customer, whether I
am buying a CD or tickets for a show. If I am unhappy
with something that is going on with the band, I am
entitled to voice my opinion, just as you are your's.
If you don't like it, there's a button on your
keyboard called DELETE that you can use.
The length of one's fandom is not the amount of times
it kisses the band's collective ass.
The band could have easily charged $5 per ticket more
across the board for every seat in the venue and
nobody would have said anything. They would have made
more money to pay for the light show and presentation.
And then they could have offered the best seats in the
house to members of the fan club, at the same price as
every other ticket so that the "true" fans could get a
chance at preferential tix. Why not offer a "gold
pass" that includes all of the perks that come with
the "platinum plan" for an extra $25-$50? The band
would have made out better this way.
Take care,
Adam Perkowsky
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:19:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <andrew@acvox.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: ENOUGH!!!!
Message-ID: <20040122225021.E72672@samurai.ruin.org>
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 Snarncymbl@aol.com wrote:
> I have had enough. I have had enough of all your whining and bickering.
> If you were a true DT fan, you would be happy they were coming to town.
> I mean, if you don't like the "packages", then don't buy one. Its as
> simple as that. You don't have to criticize the band.
And it's precisely people like you who should NOT be dictating what a true
DT fan is. It's the DUTY of members of a capitalist society to warn
others of bum deals.
> As far as their song writing going downhill, I happen to disagree. I
> think that the lyrics are just as powerful as ever. You just don't like
> it because it wasn't the same thing you first heard when you became a
> fan. That's what makes DT so great, the fact that they haven't stayed
> the same. Its impossible to. They are forced by the so-called fans to
> do better and when they do, you call them sell outs.
You can disagree all you want; that's kind of the NATURE of opinions.
However, you can't state an opinion one second and then pretend it's fact
in the next sentence. No, they haven't stayed the same, but that doesn't
mean they're any better or worse because of it. I love how anybody who
doesn't agree with you is a "so-called fan."
> So please, shut up. Why can't we ever say anything positive about Dream
> Theater?
No, of course you can. But just as we allow you to say positive things,
you should be able to allow us to say the negative things, too. What's
good for the goose is good for the gander and all that.
> How about "Hey DT, can't wait till you come to my town once again." or
> "Everytime DT plays a show its more then awesome.". In my opinion, DT
> rocks the house everytime they play. And for me this a big treat because
> every show Ive been too, its always been Dream Theater as the "Middle
> Act" and this "Evening with Dream Theater" has me really excited. I will
> finally get a chance to see all 3 hours of DT.
Y'know, I haven't seen a SINGLE PERSON complain about this. Apart from
some bickering over setlists at the England shows (which, by the way, I
think is ridiculous; it's fine if you were disappointed because you didn't
get to hear Surrounded, but to be angry at the band for it? That's going
a little far), nobody seems to be disappointed that DT's going to be
playing full shows.
> You know, for YtseJam being the official DT mailing list, more and more
> it becomes the Anti-DT Fanlistings. Its ridiculous how you all act. Are
> you going to criticize me? Go ahead, you always do. Everytime I defend
> DT, everyone always takes my words, breaks them down, and talks about it
> line-from-line. Go ahead. Please, I beg you. Argue with me. It would be
> shocking if you don't. I signed up because I wanted a chance to talk to
> other fans about DT. I wanted people to talk to about them coming to
> town and how great it is going to be. Talk about our favorite songs and
> how we got into them. All I have seen is a group of people who get their
> jollys off by talking trash about everything DT does. You are all
> disgraceful. Its one thing to state your opinion but its another thing
> to opinionate as if it were fact. Get over yourselves and lets have some
> fun talking about DT instead of seperating DT fans.
Kinda funny that you talk about opinionating as if it were fact. I have
one thing to say to that:
*RING*
"Hello?"
"Hey Kettle, it's Pot. You're black."
*CLICK*
I have over 20,000 Ytsejam messages archived. You know how many times
you've posted? Eleven. And guess what? A good number of those have been
arguing over somebody's opinion of the band or one of its members'
actions. So it doesn't really seem to me like you're adding a whole lot
of positive talk yourself, there, buddy. Maybe if you led by example
instead of being a typical whiner, we might actually get farther.
I just love how somebody whose first post was in November of 2003 is
trying to lecture the rest of us on how this list operates and what its
members like to talk about.
Like it or not, discussion of the negative side of DT is just as valid as
discussion of the positive. And if I'm not mistaken, there have been
quite a few posts about how rockin' the new album is.
And no matter how you put it, this whole publicity stunt that DT is
pulling with selling platinum seats and autographs is stupid. They're
alienating their own fans, and the ones that they're NOT alienating,
they're EXTORTING. Hardly a way I'd want to increase my fanbase.
Yeah, it sucks that because of DT's management they have to buy tickets
for their own families. If they really don't like it, then they should
get new management. If they were SMART businessmen, they'd spread the
costs over everything and make it just a little more expensive for
everybody to go to the concert rather than try to ream out the fourteen
year old fanatics who beg their parents to spend the quarter of a G to get
them the platinum pass.
I still don't understand what's wrong with doing what everybody else used
to do: wait after the show if you want an autograph.
Let's not forget something important: James and Jordan are perfect
examples of guys who LOVED to interact with fans. Having seen them with
fans, I can honestly say that they really enjoy being out there after a
show and talking with the fans. They like to hear what people think, they
like it when people offer opinions, and they like to give back. What
happens now? Obviously, there has to be some kind of incentive for people
to buy these bonus packages, so does that mean that there won't be any
kind of band signings after shows unless you spent extra money? What good
would it be to spend an extra $250 if everybody else can get autographs
and photos with the band too?
There's a lot more to this publicity thing than you appear to understand,
there, Art. There are hidden repercussions in this announcement that we
haven't seen yet. It's rockstar politics, and I can't stand it.
But that doesn't mean I'm not a true fan of the band.
PS: Brian's absolutely right... Sarah Hallum is pure brilliance in thought
and word. :)
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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 04:57:25 +0000 From: Antony Gelberg <antony@antgel.co.uk> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: ENOUGH!!!! Message-ID: <4011FB35.7000701@antgel.co.uk>
Snarncymbl@aol.com wrote:
>You know, for YtseJam being the official DT mailing list, more and more it >becomes the Anti-DT Fanlistings. Its ridiculous how you all act. Are you going >to criticize me? Go ahead, you always do. > Wanker.
>Everytime I defend DT, everyone >always takes my words, breaks them down, and talks about it line-from-line. Go >ahead. Please, I beg you. Argue with me. It would be shocking if you don't. > Yeah.
>I >signed up because I wanted a chance to talk to other fans about DT. I wanted >people to talk to about them coming to town and how great it is going to be.Talk >about our favorite songs and how we got into them. > You obviously missed Graham and I posting to ask if anyone wanted to meet for a pint before the London show. I also remember reading that someone on the list likes Pull Me Under. They heard it on the radio. Is that not good enough for you?
>All I have seen is a group >of people who get their jollys off by talking trash about everything DT does. > > All I have seen is another appalling advert for AOL. Anyway DT are shit, what's the point in all that technical widdling anyway? It just confuses me.
>You are all disgraceful. Its one thing to state your opinion but its another >thing to opinionate as if it were fact. > What are you, the opinion police?
>Get over yourselves and lets have some >fun talking about DT instead of seperating DT fans. > > It was fun until I read your post.
T (Was this a troll? Can somebody actually be bothered to troll the 'jam? :-O )
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:18:19 -0800 From: "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: ENOUGH!!!! Message-ID: <20040123051819.GA11610@zero>
One word: n00b
-The Doc
0. Snarncymbl@aol.com farted: > > --part1_127.394e0b1c.2d41e4f9_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I have had enough. I have had enough of all your whining and bickering. If > you were a true DT fan, you would be happy they were coming to town. I mean, if > you don't like the "packages", then don't buy one. Its as simple as that. You > don't have to criticize the band. > > As far as their song writing going downhill, I happen to disagree. I think > that the lyrics are just as powerful as ever. You just don't like it because it > wasn't the same thing you first heard when you became a fan. That's what makes > DT so great, the fact that they haven't stayed the same. Its impossible to. > They are forced by the so-called fans to do better and when they do, you call > them sell outs. > > So please, shut up. Why can't we ever say anything positive about Dream > Theater? How about "Hey DT, can't wait till you come to my town once again." or > "Everytime DT plays a show its more then awesome.". In my opinion, DT rocks the > house everytime they play. And for me this a big treat because every show Ive > been too, its always been Dream Theater as the "Middle Act" and this "Evening > with Dream Theater" has me really excited. I will finally get a chance to see > all 3 hours of DT. > > You know, for YtseJam being the official DT mailing list, more and more it > becomes the Anti-DT Fanlistings. Its ridiculous how you all act. Are you going > to criticize me? Go ahead, you always do. Everytime I defend DT, everyone > always takes my words, breaks them down, and talks about it line-from-line. Go > ahead. Please, I beg you. Argue with me. It would be shocking if you don't. I > signed up because I wanted a chance to talk to other fans about DT. I wanted > people to talk to about them coming to town and how great it is going to be. Talk > about our favorite songs and how we got into them. All I have seen is a group > of people who get their jollys off by talking trash about everything DT does. > You are all disgraceful. Its one thing to state your opinion but its another > thing to opinionate as if it were fact. Get over yourselves and lets have some > fun talking about DT instead of seperating DT fans. > > Art Fernandez, > Dallas,Texas > > --part1_127.394e0b1c.2d41e4f9_boundary > ---YTSEJAM FILTER: Rest of message skipped because of attachment
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:22:33 -0500 From: "Neil Evans" <progmtl@verizon.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Ticket Prices Message-ID: <000c01c3e179$4b6d69e0$0200a8c0@athlon>
Brian Hayden: >So what was the point of your post again? <snip> >I hardly think it's whining to call "bullshit" on a money grab, no matter >where the money is going.
The point of my post was basically to refute the line above. Why shouldn't DT make money from their shows? Why shouldn't they WANT to make money? Further, why shouldn't they want to make MORE rather than LESS money? Do you work for free, or for the lowest amount you can get? I doubt it. If your boss offered you a raise, would you decline so that your employer would only have to pay you what you consider a "reasonable" salary? I doubt it.
Me: >Last I noticed DT doesn't owe any of you a damn thing.
Brian Hayden: >Last I noticed nobody said they did.
Your attitude pretty much implies it. You think they shouldn't be charging $X for certain seats, meaning you feel ENTITLED to those seats for less. Get over it.
I'll just ignore the rest of your ad hominem-riddled post..
-Neil.
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 07:08:37 -0000 From: "Stephen & Roslyn Arthur" <stevenros@btinternet.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 6774 Message-ID: <001801c3e17f$b8e1ae40$e0558551@oemcomputer>
Isn't it blatantly obvious what all this Gold Package stuff is all about>>>?
It's for James.......seriously...
Take a look at the songwriting crefits on ToT. No mention for Monsieur LB except lyrics for Vacant. So what will his publishnig royalties be for this album ? I'm guessing about the price of a Gold Package for a Kiss show.
Come on guys help our singer out..he turned in an excellent performance on ToT, especially Endless Sacrifice which has now been filed as up there with my absolute fave DT songs. So don't hold it against them, he cant pay for all those hockey shirts by doing projects like Frameshift or Raising the Wooly Elephant ..
If you want to keep the big Canuck at the front of our band then buy these packages and then fork out even more when they release the re-mix album of ToT with a reworking of SoC by Korn!
Yours....an ever so slightly tongue in cheek fan of ToT and hater of 6DOIT..
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:59:05 -0700 From: "Robert B. Wells" <surrealer@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Thanksgiving all over again Message-ID: <a05100300bc369ec1807a@[24.206.117.208]>
SWITCHING OUT OF LURK MODE: Well, I am glad to see so much activity on the Jam, even if it is due mostly to the almighty dollar. I'm also glad to hear that this package deal junk is only for a handful of seats. I'll be able to afford tickets after all. Furthermore, I'm glad that you people out there recommended Coheed and Cambria. They rock my socks. Lastly, I'm glad to have received a new issue of Guitar Player today, complete with 43% less Suck. What else can I say? It's just generally a pretty good day to be told I need surgery. END OF LINE -- Robert B. Wells surrealer@earthlink.net Austin, TX that which does not kill us only serves to make us stranger
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:11:46 -0600 (CST) From: Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Ticket Prices Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.50.0401230909060.27608-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, Neil Evans wrote:
> The point of my post was basically to refute the line above. Why > shouldn't DT make money from their shows? Why shouldn't they WANT to > make money? Further, why shouldn't they want to make MORE rather than > LESS money? Do you work for free, or for the lowest amount you can get? > I doubt it. If your boss offered you a raise, would you decline so that > your employer would only have to pay you what you consider a > "reasonable" salary? I doubt it.
But see, the problem is you're full of shit. They're not working for free, and never were. They're now in the business of soaking the suckers for a couple hundred for things they used to do for free just because they were cool guys (or so we thought).
> >Last I noticed DT doesn't owe any of you a damn thing. > > Brian Hayden: > >Last I noticed nobody said they did. > > Your attitude pretty much implies it. You think they shouldn't be > charging $X for certain seats, meaning you feel ENTITLED to those seats > for less. Get over it.
I wasn't addressing the seat issue, although that's also cheesy. Maybe I should have been more specific. It's the meet-and-greet that I think is the serious money-grab. Really, not many people care that much about being in one of those sixteen *exactly* front and center seats vs. one row further back or one seat to the left. It's the meet/greet that people are really going to pay for. And they used to do that after most shows just for the hell of it, cause they were good guys. Now...
Do you see my point?
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:00:52 EST From: Kgahjah1@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Ticket Prices Message-ID: <2d.38e4730b.2d429f34@aol.com>
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i didn't take any offense from Neils' statements, so i hope he doesn't take any from me when i say that it is my inherent right as a consumer to bitch and moan as i choose. my thing with this tiered ticket pricing is that it seemes like a shock comming from DT, who i have always thought of as one of THE most fan freindly bands. DT also, with exception to tiered ticket prices, has one of the most resonable ticket prices. anyone who is a stones, genisis, aerosmith fan can attest to outragious prices. and don't get me started on that whole gene $imon$ and ki$$ thing. jacko
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:16:33 EST From: Kgahjah1@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Ticket Prices Message-ID: <155.2bfb13fa.2d42a2e1@aol.com>
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i have a question about the new light show: how essential is this to dt's music? here's why i ask, when you think of bands like pink floyd, you know you're going to see a great visual concert. lot's of lazers, etc. you also expect that the band will pretty much stand still, so enjoy the light show. with bands like dt and king crimson, it's about the music and watching the band . as in how the hell do they do that riff?(imo). if this new light show draws more new fans to dt, more power to them. i'm just not sure how important it really is. jacko
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:22:28 EST From: Kgahjah1@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: new products Message-ID: <135.2a4eba4a.2d42a444@aol.com>
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do we also get our choice of dt cover art? i'd also like a black exterior w/ an off white interior. the handles should also be formed out of mp autographed drum sticks. the funny part about this (to me anyway) is that i work part time at a funeral home and you folks would be surprised by what kind of goofy shit is out there to be burried/interred in. a dt coffin seemes rather sane compaired to some other options i've seen. jacko
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:31:30 -0600 From: "Todd O. Klindt" <todd@klindt.org> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Ticket Prices Message-ID: <00C28D04FA7F95458F8875B411C376E37C44@Titanium.klindt.org>
I haven't read anywhere that they aren't going to be doing that anymore, have you? Nowhere have I seen that they won't talk to folks on the way to the bus like they usually do, nor have I seen where they will no longer allow you to take your picture with them.
I've seen DT 10 or so times, and it's always a crap shoot as to who will come out, how long they'll stay, how chatty they'll be, whether the picture will turn out, etc. It was never a given that you'd have the whole band there to shoot the breeze with. I just don't see this as a big deal. I always seem to get shitty seats, or at general admission shows I get up front, but get crushed and I'm uncomfortable the whole time. It wouldn't bug me a bit to lay down $250 to be assured of a good seat, a great picture of me with the band, and some casual hanging out time with them. I also don't think they are doing anything wrong by offering this. Capitalism works in mysterious ways. If they're fucking up by doing this, no one will shell out the money and they'll quit doing it. Vote with your dollars people, that's where the power is.
tk
-----Original Message----- From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com] On Behalf Of Brian Hayden Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 9:32 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Ticket Prices
But see, the problem is you're full of shit. They're not working for free, and never were. They're now in the business of soaking the suckers for a couple hundred for things they used to do for free just because they were cool guys (or so we thought).
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I wasn't addressing the seat issue, although that's also cheesy. Maybe I should have been more specific. It's the meet-and-greet that I think is the serious money-grab. Really, not many people care that much about being in one of those sixteen *exactly* front and center seats vs. one row further back or one seat to the left. It's the meet/greet that people are really going to pay for. And they used to do that after most shows just for the hell of it, cause they were good guys. Now...
Do you see my point?
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:38:12 -0600 (CST) From: Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Ticket Prices Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.50.0401231137090.29350-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
> I haven't read anywhere that they aren't going to be doing that anymore, > have you? Nowhere have I seen that they won't talk to folks on the way > to the bus like they usually do, nor have I seen where they will no > longer allow you to take your picture with them.
I think, if they're charging people for a meet-and-greet, it's implied they won't be doing that anymore. :) Otherwise, ain't no one gonna pay.
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:40:52 -0800 From: Lisa Palma <comadivine@covad.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Ticket Prices Message-ID: <40116AB4.8050801@covad.net>
Brian Hayden wrote: > >I think, if they're charging people for a meet-and-greet, it's implied >they won't be doing that anymore. :) Otherwise, ain't no one gonna pay.
Well, I'd certainly *hope* that the paid meet-and-greet would be something more than waiting outside by the bus in the rain for 2 hours.
I can easily see them doing a more formal (indoors?) meet-and-greet for the package deal, and then still going outside to meet with the poor slobs (i.e. ME) that can't afford it.
~L
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