YTSEJAM Digest 6779
Today's Topics:
1) RE: Large Halls
by "Dan Costello" <iluvatar@rochester.rr.com>
2) Replies to various posts
by Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
3) Knee Deep in the Poopla
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
4) Train Of Thought Review...
by "Music Street Journal Gary Hill" <musicstjournal@hotmail.com>
5) Re: Replies to various posts
by xcitor <xcitor@sdf.lonestar.org>
6) Re: Train Of Thought Review...
by xcitor <xcitor@sdf.lonestar.org>
7) TSO, Savatage
by Magus12551@aol.com
8) Re: Knee Deep in the Poopla
by Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu>
9) re: large hall meet
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
10) Re: Replies to various posts
by Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 22:54:03 -0500
From: "Dan Costello" <iluvatar@rochester.rr.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Large Halls
Message-ID: <BOEAJJBDNFPALMNMJONIAEGLCGAA.iluvatar@rochester.rr.com>
>Those are called "large halls" in industry parlance.
Ah, ok. I didn't realize that. :-)
-Dan.
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 21:38:17 -0800
From: Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Replies to various posts
Message-ID: <BC3B3948.7D38%schansen@cts.com>
> From: Sebastian Keil <keil.s@web.de>
> one thing puzzles me: why do you have rows for a metal concert?
I remember hearing or reading Mike state that with a 3+ hour long show, they
want the venues to have seats so that fans can sit down if they so choose.
They realize that not everyone is gonna be willing to stand in a general
admission pit for 3+ hours, so they try to pursue venues with seats when
possible.
Besides, many of the larger venues (primarily theaters) they are playing
normally have assigned seating for all concerts anyway.
> From: "Phoebus Panagopoulos" <bic@hol.gr>
> I wonder how you guys and gals feel about what the fan clubs around the
> world have to contributed to what we see today with DT and their
> interaction with the fans. I mean, the first thing an FC does is to
> promise MORE interaction with the band, with a few extra bucks of
> course.
More interaction with the band can be in different forms. In some cases, it
means actual personal interaction with the band members. In many others, it
means providing exclusive interviews and articles with band members, perhaps
being able to write in questions to the band, to get exclusive merchandise
(fan club CDs, shirts, autographed items, etc), fan get-togethers and access
to exclusive parts of a website.
The whole idea of a fan club is to promote the band to those who have an
interest in them, and to give them something more in terms of who they are
and how they work.
> IMHO the whole hard core fan base was developed and supported by the
> FCs, because only through them can someone get really personal with the
> band. But has that developed also some kind of a customer-buyer relation
> between the fans and the band? "You pay me and I'll make you friends
> with the band" something like that.
Actually, when fan clubs offer meet'n'greets to the fans, it should be
considered more of a perk of the fan club than "I'm paying X dollars so that
I can meet the band...and I get this membership thrown in also."
Unfortunately, many fans do look at it that way - in the case of DT's fan
clubs, many are subscribed just to get the CD - they could care less about
the fanzine.
In all honesty, when fan clubs in general offer the CD and/or meet'n'greet,
it's to further encourage fans to sign up, but certainly not to replace
everything else that the fan club provides. The fan clubs shouldn't be
blamed just because fans look at it as "paying just for the CD or
meet'n'greet."
> Someone else has said earlier that we're _extorted_ by DT for being
> fans. I feel that it's the best word he could ever use... :o(
Feel extorted if you must, but no one's putting a gun to your head to sign
up for the fan club, or for that matter to purchase any of DT's CDs or to
see them live. YOU decide to make those purchases. Don't blame them for your
decisions. >:-(
Scott
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 01:18:03 -0600
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Knee Deep in the Poopla
Message-ID: <401610AB.A9170AC@isd.net>
Greetings fellow Jamsters!
The last three jams reminded me why I get a kick out of
Brian H. Sup, Bro? Keep the cretins at bay! ;-)
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that comes from bad judgment" --Will Rogers
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 06:16:41 -0600
From: "Music Street Journal Gary Hill" <musicstjournal@hotmail.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Train Of Thought Review...
Message-ID: <Law10-OE45PB8cDqhqE0003e893@hotmail.com>
Among other items, the new issue of the free ezine Music Street Journal
includes a review of Train of Thought.
Feel free to stop by and check it out.
Thanks
Gary
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 08:18:57 -0500
From: xcitor <xcitor@sdf.lonestar.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Replies to various posts
Message-ID: <20040127131857.GA25356@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG>
Quoting <Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>> on <2004-01-26 - 21:43>:
> > From: Sebastian Keil <keil.s@web.de>
> > one thing puzzles me: why do you have rows for a metal concert?
>
> I remember hearing or reading Mike state that with a 3+ hour long show, they
> want the venues to have seats so that fans can sit down if they so choose.
> They realize that not everyone is gonna be willing to stand in a general
> admission pit for 3+ hours, so they try to pursue venues with seats when
> possible.
yeah, last time i saw ``An Evening with...'' was as the 9:30 club here
in DC. there are no (or at least _very few_) seats, so i stood the whole
time. my back was sore for days, but it was worth it! same with Hammer
of the Gods in NYC -- i was standing the whole time and paid for it
later.
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 08:22:22 -0500
From: xcitor <xcitor@sdf.lonestar.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Train Of Thought Review...
Message-ID: <20040127132222.GB25356@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG>
Quoting <Music Street Journal Gary Hill <musicstjournal@hotmail.com>> on <2004-01-27 - 04:16>:
>
>
> Among other items, the new issue of the free ezine Music Street Journal
> includes a review of Train of Thought.
>
> Feel free to stop by and check it out.
>
> Music Street Journal
> http://www.musicstreetjournal.com>
i actually wouldn't mind reading the review, but this is the biggest
piece of crap website i've ever seen. Jeezus H. four links and all of
them return 404!
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xcitor@sdf.lonestar.org
SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 08:24:31 EST
From: Magus12551@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: TSO, Savatage
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Paul Cashman sez:
<< Decent floor tickets for that show, BTW, were a pricey $45.=A0 With every
passing year, sadly, the number of obvious Savatage fans and metal fans
in the audience dwindles.
The mighty Al Pitrelli was the (ahem) last in line at the after-show
signing, and as I shook his hand I said jokingly "Thanks for a great
show...from one of the few, the proud,...the metalheads who can still
afford a ticket to this show."=A0=A0
He chuckled, rolled his eyes and said "I hear ya there, brotha."=A0 Not
condescendingly, either; he understands.=A0 :) >>
Hey... long time lurker here...
I have no pity for Savatage, if they have fewer fans it's because they have
consistently alienated their fanbase.
1. Lots of former members have said less than stellar things about the band
(Wacholz, Skolnick),
2. Their lead singer left under questionable circumstances (Zak Stevens, to
spend more time with family, though now he's going on tour with Circle II
Circle. Rumor is he was just pissed about how the band was doing things)
3. After Al Pitrelli left to join Megadeth (being the band whore that he is,
good player notwithstanding) they hired a respected metal guitarist (Jack
Frost) and then totally screwed him over by firing him when Pitrelli was lef
t
jobless a few months later after Megadeth imploded.
Add that to ticket prices, long breaks between album releases (compared to
say DT, Maiden, etc.), and the crap that is their website (forum always bing
closed, non-existent fanclub, lack of news updates) and it's quite surprisin
g
Savatage have any fans left at all. Streets is a masterpiece, and they have
plenty of other good albums, but the band itself kinda sucks in their practi
ces.
Hand of Justice
-HoJ-
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 08:04:46 -0600 (CST)
From: Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Knee Deep in the Poopla
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.50.0401270804090.23175-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
> The last three jams reminded me why I get a kick out of
> Brian H. Sup, Bro? Keep the cretins at bay! ;-)
Jesus, Al agreeing with me? I hope this is sarcasm, because I'm not ready
for the opening of the Seventh Seal.
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ADCS Helpline | the weird turn pro."
University of Minnesota | - Hunter S. Thompson
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 15:08:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: re: large hall meet
Message-ID: <20040127230839.25448.qmail@web13121.mail.yahoo.com>
"Paul W. Cashman" <pellaz@comcast.net> wrote:
> the Trans-Siberian Orchestra, DID take the effort to
have an open, free meet'n'greet inside after their
3-hour show here, at an arena that can seat around
12,000 and was about 3/4 full. <
A thought on meet n' greets...
I believe TSO consists of two touring companies, with
lots of "new" faces. The overiding theory here is that
when performers are "new", they tend to enjoy meet n'
greets. Thus TSO may not be so jaded to the idea. On
the other hand, the members of DT enjoyed it at the
beginning and may simply be getting tired of it. It's
more of a business activity now, and they are treating
it more like that.
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 01:25:52 +0000 (UTC)
From: Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Replies to various posts
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0401280057470.26176@norge.freeshell.org>
On Tue, 27 Jan 2004, xcitor wrote:
> yeah, last time i saw ``An Evening with...'' was as the 9:30 club here
> in DC. there are no (or at least _very few_) seats, so i stood the whole
> time. my back was sore for days, but it was worth it! same with Hammer
> of the Gods in NYC -- i was standing the whole time and paid for it
> later.
that was the last "Evening with..." show i saw with DT too, on the World
Tourbulence tour. we (3 of us) were fortunate enough to be in the first
30 or so people in line. actually, that's where i first met the infamous
Kez, as we were shouting "BAFU!!" & happened to be 2 of the only people
apparently from this list in attendance.
anyhow, being so close to the front meant we were able to dash up to the
balcony level. this meant being raised above everyone else, sitting on
bar stools with elbows resting on the bar at the balcony's edge, drinks
not far from reach. by far my favorite show in terms of the bands
performance, as well as the comfort & view that i had while watching.
in my younger days, i used to go to shows to mosh, headband, etc...
now, i'll take seats any day over having to stand for 3+ hours. did that
at the Electric Factory for Spock's & DT. between the wait outside & the
show that easily hit the 4+ hr mark, my legs haven't known such pain since
i kickboxed. gimme seats & an unobstructed view. my concert will be
complete. :)
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