YTSEJAM Digest 6780
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Train of Thought Review...
by "Music Street Journal Gary Hill" <musicstjournal@hotmail.com>
2) TSO, Savatage
by "Paul W. Cashman" <pellaz@comcast.net>
3) RE: TSO, Savatage
by "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
4) RE: The Dismal Derek
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
5) RE: The Dismal Derek
by "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
6) RE: The Dismal Derek
by "Andrew Coutermarsh" <andrew@acvox.com>
7) RE: The Dismal Derek
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
8) TSO Ticket Prices
by ytsejim@optonline.net
9) RE: TSO Ticket Prices
by "Todd O. Klindt" <todd@klindt.org>
10) sweet
by "Trevor Hoit" <trevorhoit@comcast.net>
11) Re: TSO Ticket Prices
by Kgahjah1@aol.com
12) RE: Remember?
by "Neil Evans" <progmtl@verizon.net>
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:20:01 -0600
From: "Music Street Journal Gary Hill" <musicstjournal@hotmail.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Train of Thought Review...
Message-ID: <LAW10-OE23tGYkNUTvl00007e04@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 08:22:22 -0500
From: xcitor <xcitor@sdf.lonestar.org<mailto:xcitor@sdf.lonestar.org>>
To: Multiple recipients of list
<ytsejam@torchsong.com<mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com>>
Subject: Re: Train Of Thought Review...
Message-ID:
<20040127132222.GB25356@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG<mailto:20040127132222.GB25356@SD
F.LONESTAR.ORG>>
Quoting <Music Street Journal Gary Hill
i actually wouldn't mind reading the review, but this is the biggest
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The index file got corrupted on upload, but I got a fresh copy up
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 03:08:17 -0500
> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 08:24:31 EST
> I have no pity for Savatage, if they have fewer fans it's because they have
Uh, congrats. You managed to miss the entire point of my post, which
Well done!
[anti-Savatage diatribe, including unconfirmed rumours, etc., deleted]
TSO is doing what someone suggested DT should have done on this upcoming
Oh, can't let this one slip by:
> 3. After Al Pitrelli left to join Megadeth (being the band whore that he is,
--And this differs from DT's casual dismissal of Derek
(Nothing against Jordan R., here, either. I don't disagree with DT's
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:03:15 +1100
From: "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: TSO, Savatage
Message-ID: <OPEJJAPFDGDMCLAHLLIMGEEMDDAA.ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of
> Paul W. Cashman
> Sent: Wednesday, 28 January 2004 7:26 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: TSO, Savatage
>
> (Nothing against Jordan R., here, either. I don't disagree with DT's
> decision to hire JR, but lord knows there was a lot
> of....ahem....discussion on this very list about it.)
Are you saying Jordan is better than Derek?????????/?//??!!
Man, your head must be on like backwards!!!11!??
They should get Billy Joel in ;P
Niall
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 07:28:37 -0600
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: The Dismal Derek
Message-ID: <4642CF49B0BEB44386CA20BD34DC243802080D54@hhpech01.healthaxis.dom>
Jordan is Light Years ahead of Derek.
-----Original Message-----
From: Niall Connaughton [mailto:ytsejam@bigpond.net.au]
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul W. Cashman
> (Nothing against Jordan R., here, either. I don't disagree with DT's
> decision to hire JR, but lord knows there was a lot
> of....ahem....discussion on this very list about it.)
Are you saying Jordan is better than Derek?????????/?//??!!
Man, your head must be on like backwards!!!11!??
They should get Billy Joel in ;P
Niall
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 00:38:28 +1100
From: "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: The Dismal Derek
Message-ID: <OPEJJAPFDGDMCLAHLLIMCEENDDAA.ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
"Light years", eh? You startin' somethin?? dem's fightin' words!
Hey maw, this guy says Jordan is Light Years ahead of Derek!
My maw says you wouldn know good keyboardin iffn you was swimmin in it. But
she says she has a soft spot for Jordan cos it seems like he's got 12
fingers, just like my maw has.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of
> Souter, Jan-Michael
> Sent: Thursday, 29 January 2004 12:31 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: RE: The Dismal Derek
>
>
> Jordan is Light Years ahead of Derek.
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:40:06 -0500
From: "Andrew Coutermarsh" <andrew@acvox.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: The Dismal Derek
Message-ID: <7F976E05D3F5AB4ABFC9334D182F7B511E45EA@mail1.primeline.com>
Can we PLEASE not start this again? They were BOTH good, and I don't
want to hear any of this "so-and-so is better than the other" because
it's all a matter of opinion. Jordan has better TECHNIQUE and that's
IT. The rest is a matter of opinion.
Personally, while I like Jordan's solo material, I feel he's somewhat
lacking on DT's stuff (note that I do NOT feel this is necessarily his
fault as much as I think it's MP and JP's fault). His technical prowess
doesn't do him any good when the material he's playing sucks.
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Andrew Coutermarsh - http://www.acvox.com/
Email Address: andrew at acvox dot com
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If it's raining, a cute thing to tell a child is
"God is crying." If they ask why, another cute
thing to say is, "Probably something you did."
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-----Original Message-----
From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com] On Behalf Of
Souter, Jan-Michael
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 8:31 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: RE: The Dismal Derek
Jordan is Light Years ahead of Derek.
-----Original Message-----
From: Niall Connaughton [mailto:ytsejam@bigpond.net.au]
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul W. Cashman
> (Nothing against Jordan R., here, either. I don't disagree with DT's
> decision to hire JR, but lord knows there was a lot
> of....ahem....discussion on this very list about it.)
Are you saying Jordan is better than Derek?????????/?//??!!
Man, your head must be on like backwards!!!11!??
They should get Billy Joel in ;P
Niall
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:11:35 -0600
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: The Dismal Derek
Message-ID: <4642CF49B0BEB44386CA20BD34DC243802080D5F@hhpech01.healthaxis.dom>
heh well, wasn't meant to start up a war of words, but Andrew is
right... It's all a matter opinion.
In a roundabout kinda way, it's good to get some actual traffic on the list
going again :)
-----Original Message-----
From: Niall Connaughton [mailto:ytsejam@bigpond.net.au]
"Light years", eh? You startin' somethin?? dem's fightin' words!
Hey maw, this guy says Jordan is Light Years ahead of Derek!
My maw says you wouldn know good keyboardin iffn you was swimmin in it. But
she says she has a soft spot for Jordan cos it seems like he's got 12
fingers, just like my maw has.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ytsejam@torchsong.com
>
> Jordan is Light Years ahead of Derek.
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:26:14 -0500
From: ytsejim@optonline.net
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: TSO Ticket Prices
Message-ID: <10555140fc.140fc10555@optonline.net>
$45 is pricey for the TSO show this year?
Do you even realize how many people are involved with that show
that have to get a cut of your ticket money? In addition to the 6
main band members, there are about 8 vocalist and a small local
orchestra (12 People?) from each city, not even including all the
crew and the cost of the Pyro and light show which gets bigger and
better every single year. I have no problem paying the price they
charge. If I do feel the price gets too high, I won't buy a
ticket. Its just that simple. These people gotta eat you know :)
You could have also bought cheaper seats but you WANTED to spend
more on better seats. No one forced you, at least, I don't think
they did.
Same thing goes for the New DT ticket prices. If you feel its not worth the money or that you can't really afford it, then you just don't go. It is not that big of a deal.
~YtseJim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ytsejam@torchsong.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:47 pm
> Subject: YTSEJAM digest 6779
> > Paul Cashman sez:
> > << Decent floor tickets for that show, BTW, were a pricey
> $45.=A0
> > With every
> > passing year, sadly, the number of obvious Savatage fans and
> metal
> > fansin the audience dwindles.
> > The mighty Al Pitrelli was the (ahem) last in line at the after-show
> > signing, and as I shook his hand I said jokingly "Thanks for a great
> > show...from one of the few, the proud,...the metalheads who can
> still> afford a ticket to this show."=A0=A0
> > He chuckled, rolled his eyes and said "I hear ya there,
> > brotha."=A0 Not
> > condescendingly, either; he understands.=A0 :) >>
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:12:10 -0600
From: "Todd O. Klindt" <todd@klindt.org>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: TSO Ticket Prices
Message-ID: <00C28D04FA7F95458F8875B411C376E37C4A@Titanium.klindt.org>
I agree. I for one think the new ticket prices aren't a bad idea. Let
the people that can pay more, pay more. Those that can't, or don't want
to, don't have to. It's about choices. Choices are good.
tk
-----Original Message-----
From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com] On Behalf Of
ytsejim@optonline.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 9:34 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: TSO Ticket Prices
$45 is pricey for the TSO show this year?
Do you even realize how many people are involved with that show that
have to get a cut of your ticket money? In addition to the 6 main band
members, there are about 8 vocalist and a small local orchestra (12
People?) from each city, not even including all the crew and the cost
of the Pyro and light show which gets bigger and better every single
year. I have no problem paying the price they charge. If I do feel the
price gets too high, I won't buy a ticket. Its just that simple. These
people gotta eat you know :)
You could have also bought cheaper seats but you WANTED to spend more
on better seats. No one forced you, at least, I don't think they did.
Same thing goes for the New DT ticket prices. If you feel its not worth
the money or that you can't really afford it, then you just don't go. It
is not that big of a deal.
~YtseJim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ytsejam@torchsong.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:47 pm
> Subject: YTSEJAM digest 6779
> > Paul Cashman sez:
> > << Decent floor tickets for that show, BTW, were a pricey
> $45.=A0
> > With every
> > passing year, sadly, the number of obvious Savatage fans and
> metal
> > fansin the audience dwindles.
> > The mighty Al Pitrelli was the (ahem) last in line at the after-show
> > signing, and as I shook his hand I said jokingly "Thanks for a great
> > show...from one of the few, the proud,...the metalheads who can
> still> afford a ticket to this show."=A0=A0
> > He chuckled, rolled his eyes and said "I hear ya there, brotha."=A0
> > Not condescendingly, either; he understands.=A0 :) >>
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:17:55 -0800
From: "Trevor Hoit" <trevorhoit@comcast.net>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: sweet
Message-ID: <005a01c3e5cb$0d010bc0$05d01018@attbi.com>
Glad I didn't pay an extra $10 for a seat in row 16-30.
I just got row 12.
So there.
T
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:16:29 EST
From: Kgahjah1@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: TSO Ticket Prices
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here's my thing with $45 ticket prices: get over it.
there are soooooo many bands out there that charge way more than that for
nose bleed seats. a buddy of mine saw genisis on there last two tours and paid
well over $100 for seats that were about 200 feet from the stage because his now
ex-wife HAD to see them.
another buddy of mine paid $125 a ticket to see the stones on there last tour
and he was something like 30 rows back.
20 years ago i saw rush and paid $35 and was happy.
my personal opinion is that any act out there that kicks ass on stage, plays
for more than one hour (dt and rush concerts are unusually long compared to
most), and charges around $40 is giving you a deal.
my king crimson tickets in madison two years ago were $35 and they played for
85 minutes.
jacko
np: brain eno and david byrne: my life in the bush of ghosts
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 21:23:58 -0500
From: "Neil Evans" <progmtl@verizon.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Remember?
Message-ID: <000401c3e60e$f4027c00$0200a8c0@athlon>
Rick, that was a cool blast from the past. That whole series of events
was a blast - from signing the banner, to the preshow get-togther, to
seeing MP holding it up.
Thanks for posting it.
Hello also to Scott Luttringer and Matt B if you guys are reading - it's
been a while!
-Neil.
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<musicstjournal@hotmail.com<mailto:musicstjournal@hotmail.com>>> on
<2004-01-27 - 04:16>:
>
>
> Among other items, the new issue of the free ezine Music Street
Journal
> includes a review of Train of Thought.
>
> Feel free to stop by and check it out.
>
> Music Street Journal
>
http://www.musicstreetjournal.com
://www.musicstreetjournal.com<http://www.musicstreetjournal.com/>>
piece of crap website i've ever seen. Jeezus H. four links and all of
them return 404!
xcitor@sdf.lonestar.org<mailto:xcitor@sdf.lonestar.org>
SDF Public Access UNIX System -
http://sdf.lonestar.org
there as soon as I was made aware of it...so, you are set now to check
it out. Sorry about that.
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From: "Paul W. Cashman" <pellaz@comcast.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: TSO, Savatage
Message-ID: <40176DF1.3417@comcast.net>
> From: Magus12551@aol.com
> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
> Subject: TSO, Savatage
> Message-ID: <46.459039c3.2d47c08f@aol.com>
> consistently alienated their fanbase.
was that the increasing ticket prices for TSO's show, not any of the
band's practices, are winnowing the crowd of metal faithful.
tour: so, you have more elaborate and expensive staging? Raise
ticket prices a bit, across the board. It was worth it for TSO's
3-hour performance and the added stuff -- LOTS of pyro, more than I've
seen at any show in years -- was pretty darn cool.
>
> good player notwithstanding) they hired a respected metal guitarist (Jack
> Frost) and then totally screwed him over by firing him when Pitrelli was lef
> t
> jobless a few months later after Megadeth imploded.
Sherinian......how? Would you rather a band abruptly let someone go
for a former bandmate returning, or for a new band-member entirely?
decision to hire JR, but lord knows there was a lot
of....ahem....discussion on this very list about it.)
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