YTSEJAM Digest 6782
Today's Topics:
1) Sava, TSO, etc
by Magus12551@aol.com
2) Re: ticket prices
by Phil Carter <direwolf@speedfactory.net>
3) Re: My musical question for the month.
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
4) Re: My musical question for the month.
by Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu>
5) Hot Diggity Dog
by Stan Tyszka <soculese@comcast.net>
6) Re: Hot Diggity Dog
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
7) RE: Hot Diggity Dog
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
8) Re: Hot Diggity Dog
by "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com>
9) RE: Hot Diggity Dog
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
10) TRAIN OF THOUGHT
by "Alexandro Talamini" <atalamini@hotmail.com>
11) Re: TRAIN OF THOUGHT
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
12) Re: TRAIN OF THOUGHT
by "Rick Rosinski" <rick@rosinski.com>
13) Re: Sing along to DT
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 22:23:47 EST
From: Magus12551@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Sava, TSO, etc
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Paul Barman, I mean Cashman said:
>Uh, congrats.=A0 You managed to miss the entire point of my post, which
>was that the increasing ticket prices for TSO's show, not any of the
>band's practices, are winnowing the crowd of metal faithful.=A0
>
>Well done!
Uh, I guess you didn't understand my post. My point was that it ain't ticke
t
prices keeping metal fans away from TSO, it's the behavior of Paul's bands.
I know it's not the point that you were making, I was disagreeing with you.
There ARE other opinions out there, you know.
> [anti-Savatage diatribe, including unconfirmed rumours, etc., deleted]
Diatribe part I won't dispute. There was one rumor included, which I cited
as a rumor, but I have heard it from a relative of Zak. Everything else in
there was 100% provable fact.
>Oh, can't let this one slip by:
>
>> 3. After Al Pitrelli left to join Megadeth (being the band whore that he
is,
>> good player notwithstanding) they hired a respected metal guitarist (Jack
>> Frost) and then totally screwed him over by firing him when Pitrelli was
lef
>> t
>> jobless a few months later after Megadeth imploded.
>
>--And this differs from DT's casual dismissal of Derek
>Sherinian......howA0=A0 Would you rather a band abruptly let someone go
>for a former bandmate returning, or for a new band-member entirely?
Apples and oranges. In the case of Sava, Frosty was treated like a temp
touring musician. Sherinian was in the band longer, given some creative con
trol,
etc. It's more believable that there were some artistic differences, etc, i
n
that case. Also, I think DT handled the situation more professionally.
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 00:36:53 -0500
From: Phil Carter <direwolf@speedfactory.net>
To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: ticket prices
Message-ID: <4.1.20040130003401.00a99e80@mail.speedfactory.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Paul Cashman:
>Nope, but we would have preferred better seats. My friend Phil Carter
>(who is still on the list, say hi, Phil)
"Hi, Phil." :)
>would likely have gone, but
>despite being on their email list, he didn't get a heads-up on ticket
>sales...so we lost a chance to get closer seats at the same price, and
>he opted out of this year's show. He's been immortalized from stage as
>"that guy who wears the Santa hat who knows EVERY line of
>stage-dialogue." :)
Heh. I wish a few more of my friends had been around to see that year's
show. Everybody I knew who also knew TSO didn't make that particular show
for one reason or another.
I wasn't terribly keen on the idea of paying $45 for a show I had
essentially seen three times already, in a venue I didn't particularly
like, with seats that were much further back than I liked. So, yeah, I
opted out this year. From the reports I've heard, I probably should have
gone anyway. Ah, well. Always next year.
cheers,
Phil
-- Phil Carter -- direwolf (at) speedfactory (dot) net "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach------------------------------
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:39:34 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> Subject: Re: My musical question for the month. Message-ID: <7EF7F2227EFFC445B5B244495CDC9D51FD14@hhpech01.healthaxis.dom>
Mike - I completely agree with you. Lyrics are the **LAST** thing even remotely considered for my own personal opinion. Just hard to understand getting turned off to a band solely on lyrics.. oh well.. whatever floats their boat :)
-----Original Message----- From: Mike Melton
> In a message dated 1/29/2004 9:02:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, > synthision writes: > > > Regarding DT's lyrics I have to say that I like all of Kevin Moore's > > lyrics, > > not sure about the rest... > > The lyrics on the last two albums have almost turned me off to Dream Theater > alltogether. I'll second that with the music on the last two albums (although > I really haven't listened to the newest one too much yet, 6doit is easily my > least favorite dream theater, or progressive album, to date). I am definitely > a fan of Kevin Moore.
I find it interesting that so many people are turned off by *lyrics*, especially when we're talking about metal music. Now, I can be turned off by VOCALS, but LYRICS don't really bother me, as long as the delivery is solid. LaBrie has always has a solid delivery (except live, sometimes).
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:52:51 -0600 (CST) From: Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: My musical question for the month. Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.50.0401300950380.27109-100000@garnet.tc.umn.edu>
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004, Souter, Jan-Michael wrote:
> Mike - I completely agree with you. Lyrics are the **LAST** thing even > remotely considered for my own personal opinion. Just hard to understand > getting turned off to a band solely on lyrics.. oh well.. whatever > floats their boat :)
I, on the otherhand, simply can't understand being able to tolerate a band with stupid lyrics. I listened to SFAM exactly twice. The first time I was literally cringing because the lyrics and "story" were so idiotic. I gave it a second chance, and it got worse. That was it.
-------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian D. Hayden | "When the going gets weird, ADCS Helpline | the weird turn pro." University of Minnesota | - Hunter S. Thompson --------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:24:19 -0500 From: Stan Tyszka <soculese@comcast.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Hot Diggity Dog Message-ID: <232484AF-5349-11D8-B57D-000A27B4B1C6@comcast.net>
Has anyone noticed that YTSEJAMRECORDS.COM has updated with some coming soon info? This may be old news here, But I have not read it. It has MASTER OF PUPPETS listed as coming soon.
Whooo Hoooo!!
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:28:03 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Hot Diggity Dog Message-ID: <000901c3e75e$cc56d290$9b00a8c0@mizz>
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Hopefully I good quality boot. I've heard them on a bootleg found on the Ytsejam DC hub (is that still up?) and the quality sucked. Audience was really into it though, they were almost louder than james! ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Tyszka To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 12:40 PM Subject: Hot Diggity Dog
Has anyone noticed that YTSEJAMRECORDS.COM has updated with some coming soon info? This may be old news here, But I have not read it. It has MASTER OF PUPPETS listed as coming soon.
Whooo Hoooo!!
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:03:53 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Hot Diggity Dog Message-ID: <7EF7F2227EFFC445B5B244495CDC9D51FD5C@hhpech01.healthaxis.dom>
The thing is, the boots that are floating around are from the Audience.
Portnoy's material will be Soundboard-type quality. A+ range.
-----Original Message----- From: Mike Shetzer [mailto:echo26@videotron.ca]
Hopefully I good quality boot. I've heard them on a bootleg found on the Ytsejam DC hub (is that still up?) and the quality sucked. Audience was really into it though, they were almost louder than james!
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:53:21 -0800 From: "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Hot Diggity Dog Message-ID: <20040130195321.GA29981@zero>
0. "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> farted: > The thing is, the boots that are floating around are from the Audience. > > Portnoy's material will be Soundboard-type quality. A+ range.
So you assume... I have heard soundboards that sound worse than audience recordings because the mix sucked.
-The Doc
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:04:56 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Hot Diggity Dog Message-ID: <7EF7F2227EFFC445B5B244495CDC9D510EDEED@hhpech01.healthaxis.dom>
Good point. Only time shall tell.
-----Original Message----- From: Dr. Mosh [mailto:drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com]
0. "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> farted: > The thing is, the boots that are floating around are from the Audience. > > Portnoy's material will be Soundboard-type quality. A+ range.
So you assume... I have heard soundboards that sound worse than audience recordings because the mix sucked.
-The Doc
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:58:20 -0200 From: "Alexandro Talamini" <atalamini@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: TRAIN OF THOUGHT Message-ID: <LAW12-F24R77bieLYCT00011b78@hotmail.com>
I've read many of your thoughts regarding ToT. As I was passing through a very tough time at work, so I decided to listend to it when I had time to really pay attention as a new DT album deserves.
That day was yesterday (believe me!!). Well, I have to say that I'm really DESAPPOINTED. 6DoIT isn't my favorite DT albukm, but I do like 50% of its stuff, at least. MISUNDERSTOOD and BLIND FAITH are my favorites and sound wonderfull.
I really regret the direction the band is going to. Trying to sound like Metallica is the last thing I would wish from DT. IMO, DT is way better to go some steps back. ToT totally forgets what I consider their signature: great melodies, heavy sound mixed with not-so-heavy sounds in a single song and mostly for James voice. He has the best voice from any band born on the last 15 years. ToT have too much effects over his voice and places Jordan in a support role. Jordan has so much talent to a role like that.
PS: Just for the record, 14 out of 15 peoples I know that are really DT fans didn't like the new albun.
It's a shame and I do expect things change positively in the future. I wish these thoughts could reach MP and JP.
Alex
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:04:54 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: TRAIN OF THOUGHT Message-ID: <005401c3e785$79206a60$9b00a8c0@mizz>
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Of course, I echo the thoughts of all other jammers when I say that your opinions are all as valid as the ones I will write in response to them (if that's english :P).
>That day was yesterday (believe me!!). Well, I have to say that I'm really >DESAPPOINTED. 6DoIT isn't my favorite DT albukm, but I do like 50% of its >stuff, at least. MISUNDERSTOOD and BLIND FAITH are my favorites and sound >wonderfull.
You don't like even 50% of TOT? I think misunderstood is lacking completely as the first half of the song is great then it just takes forever to end. The radio edit which ends before the weird repeating ending riff is a better version I find. Blind Faith however, I concur, kicks ass :)
>I really regret the direction the band is going to. Trying to sound like >Metallica is the last thing I would wish from DT.
Agreed, they have some Metallica in the new album but i'd be far from saying they're trying to sound like metallica. Compare st.anger to this and then tell me DT is trying to sound like them... MP would have to muffle his drums and JP would have to stop soloing :P
>ToT totally forgets what I consider their signature: >great melodies, heavy sound mixed with not-so-heavy sounds in a single song >and mostly for James voice. He has the best voice from any band born on the >last 15 years. ToT have too much effects over his voice and places Jordan in >a support role. Jordan has so much talent to a role like that.
Also valid points. Jordan is kinda on the back burner on this album. When he does play and you can hear him, however, he kicks as usual. His lead lines, solos, piano, organ or synth sounds are all top notch in this album IMHO.
>PS: Just for the record, 14 out of 15 peoples I know that are really DT fans >didn't like the new albun.
I wouldn't go so far as to say my friends dont like it, but they certainly are kinda weirded by their change in volume and crunch :) My metalhead friends are eating it up like Ytsecake though, as am I :)
>It's a shame and I do expect things change positively in the future. I wish >these thoughts could reach MP and JP.
While yes, DT does do the albums in hopes of positive reactions from the fans, I think what's also important is that the band seemed happy with this recording. At least according to their forums and websites, etc, they seem to be. I personally enjoy their efforts regardless and still hold them in the highest regard despite criticisms of them by others and even by me. I hope this lackluster effort in your opinion won't stray you away from shows this tour or from future album-buying. :)
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:15:05 -0500 From: "Rick Rosinski" <rick@rosinski.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: TRAIN OF THOUGHT Message-ID: <149401c3e786$f7b34220$6601a8c0@amd1>
> PS: Just for the record, 14 out of 15 peoples I know that are really DT fans > didn't like the new albun.
Count me as the 1 of 15 then.
I really like the overall "heaviness" of ToT, and it's my pick for best CD of 2003. It ranks a close second to SFAM, IMHO.
I've seen people on both sides of the fence on this CD too. However, I've seen more positive remarks about the CD versus negative by about a 3-to-1 ratio, at least.
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:19:39 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Sing along to DT Message-ID: <00a401c3e787$8894cc00$9b00a8c0@mizz>
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Hey, what happened to this? Did you end up planning a song to do? ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Gervois To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 2:56 AM Subject: Sing along to DT
Here's my story :
My sister going to get married in the summer and there are going to be a lot of PROG heads. I was thinking it would be cool to do a CD of some prog songs (with naturally a lot of DT) with the singing cut down or out if possible. What is the best way to do this ?
All I have tried up to now is winamp with a plugin and wav output, but this doesn't work very well on most songs. I suppose using a non real-time application is much better. I have "sonar" and a few other musical applications.
I am also willing to share the results of my work to any one who would like to have it.
Any suggestions ?
Thanks in advance ACBLF
PS : Wow for XMas it's gone real quiet on the Jam : Are you all still out there ? ;) PPS : No gate-crashing my sisters wedding, if you would like to do some prog party singing we'll organize it later ;)
"3 times cut, 3 times too short, 3 times too stupid"
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