YTSEJAM Digest 2736
Today's Topics:
1) "Il Baleto di Bronzo" (DTC!)
by al587725@campus.cegs.itesm.mx (Marcelo Martinelli)
2) teaser #5, other stuff
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
3) ** Shawn Lane **
by "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
4) Rare stuff: DT singles and brain cells
by "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
5) Ivanhoe for sale.......
by "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
6) Re: Rare stuff: DT singles and brain cells
by eckie@asu.edu
7) Impostor is stupid
by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
8) Re: Joey Tafolla, amps, etc.
by WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca>
9) Re: Trick question
by WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca>
10) Re: my lil QR story...
by James Mohr <jpmohr@primenet.com>
11) Re: Joey Tafolla, amps, etc.
by Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net>
12) RE: Trick question
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
13) RE: my lil QR story...
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
14) Phaghakneeknee
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
15) Re: Silent Lucidity
by wjwomack@tddeng00.fnts.com (Wade J. Womack)
16) Re: Mumblings and jumblings
by wjwomack@tddeng00.fnts.com (Wade J. Womack)
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 02:16:24 -0500
From: al587725@campus.cegs.itesm.mx (Marcelo Martinelli)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: "Il Baleto di Bronzo" (DTC!)
Message-ID: <9707110716.AA07430@campus.cegs.itesm.mx>
Hi , I wanted to comment on a recent discussion I had with a friend
of mine. While bringing the topic of DT with him , he said to me that he
didn't like DT that much because they weren't original in the music they
made. While mentioning that bands like Rush , Yes , Journey , Kansas , ELP
among others were their main influences he said to me that there was one
band which is where DT supposedly derived all their musical ideas. He told
me abouth this 70's Italian band called "Il Baleto di Bronzo" which in his
words practically invented progressive rock music. Later he played me their
really unique and out of print CD and it was an amazing show of musicianship
and virtuosity for the time of the release (1972-73). Anyways I just want to
know if anybody knows about this band and if it is an influence of DT
because my friend says that DT probably won't openly say that "Il Baleto di
Bronzo" is their main influence because it would be like revealing their
secret band from where they get their ideas. I just want to know what the
Ytsejam thinks of this discussion.
Marcelo Martinelli
Monterrey , Mexico
-It dawned on me one day that I should not be making sandwiches for a living-
---John Petrucci---
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 03:28:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: teaser #5, other stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970711032027.1172B-100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
> Subject: Steve Smith
>
> Ahh....you better hear Steve Smith & Brian Melvin played "Night of the
> living drum" show in SF. He showed his jazz drumming that was incredible to
> see how good he could play.
I saw Steve Smith give a clinic at Sam Ash on LI about... ten years ago or
so. I was dragged kicking and screaming, because my friend made the
mistake of telling me he was Journey's drummer. And he kicked my ass. He
did stuff that I didn't realize it was possible to do. He had a jazz band
at one point (don't know if he still does) that I got to hear once.
Brilliant stuff, if you can find it.
----> From: the-atman@juno.com (d a v) > Subject: curiosity. > > ok, so according to D-man, thanks by the way,
you're quite welcome.
> there are three lists for DT. > our beloved jam here, voices, and metropolis? is metropolis still > alive??? i tried to sub to it when i jumped on this one but to no > avail.......
I have no idea, but my mail hasn't been bounced back, so I assumed that it was still active.
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> From: "KorgX3" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net> > Subject: Re: Brain Teasers > > >> minutes early. How many minutes did the man walk? > > > >ARGH! The one I didn't get. :( > > Actually, I'd be kinda surprised if you did get it. There is no absolute > distance from the train station to his home so there's no real definite > solution other than an algebraic equation to solve for the distance as it
Nah, it's solvable, just not easily. :)
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> From: Bill Nottingham <wen2@po.cwru.edu> > Subject: Re: Brain Teasers > > I think it's 50 minutes.
It can't be. If he walked for 50 minutes, then he could only get home at *most* ten minutes early. The question stated that he got home 20 minutes early. But that's a good try, and a great way to tackle the problem. We're probably missing something really simple.
Oh, and I figured out what it was that I missed about the boat question. Mail me if you want to know. (I did get the right answer, but for the wrong reason.)
Now playing (since everyone else is doing it now :) =================================================== 1) Dream Theater "When Dream and Today Unite" 2) V/A "Working Man: A Tribute" 3) Tin Machine "Tin Machine"
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 03:31:11 -0400 From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ** Shawn Lane ** Message-ID: <33C5E13F.58D8@earthlink.net>
> > If you *ever* see his disc "Powers of Ten" just buy it. > > And count yourself lucky. It's out of print. Those of us with the cd are few > and far between!
Are you serious??? I guess I'd be EXTREMELY lucky then because I got it for $8 used from some guy selling it in rec.music.marketplace.cd (THE place for cd bargains!!) BUT, that still doesn't beat the best deal ever...some guy sold me STEVE VAI's "Passion and Warfare" AND CACOPHONY's "Speed Metal Symphony" for just $12 total (postage included). Probably the only newsgroup I check daily.
Also, I've seen Shawn Lane, Jonas Hellborg, and ??? Sipe play in NYC a lot the past couple of months..they did some shows at The Wetlands and some at Tramps. What these guys can accomplish MUST be seen to be believed. I was about 2 feet from Lane when he played and am convinced he's an alien. Needless to say he looked horrible...even worse than Yngwie lately.....he was very drunk (also asked us in front for some garden herbs :-)
he's definitely out there! He rules!
p.s. Shannon Tweed is lookin' pretty damn good in this HBO flick..she rules too :-)
cheers, Carlo (aka Fates, aka YtseSatan)
-- _ __| |__ "When you know that your time is close at hand |__ __| maybe then you'll begin to understand | | Life down here is just a strange illusion." | | |_|
--IRON MAIDEN (Hallowed Be Thy Name)
"Neo-classical, progressive, melodic metal"
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 02:41:05 -0500 From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rare stuff: DT singles and brain cells Message-ID: <33C5E391.159B@auburn.net>
> Well, if Metropolis pt. 2 ended being an imported CD single, > things would be like the Lie or The Silent Man single. In other words, a > lot of die-hard fans would not have the item. :-(
Hey, now, I found both singles in Mobile, AL, which is the last place on earth that gets anything cool :)
> I love brain teasers, and I hadn't seen most of these before, which means > I could have fun figuring them out. Thanks, Erik, for the diversions. ..snip... > You can start reading again. > -d
You, sir, are a shit :) Erik, why didn't you ask a bonus question for the benefit of us dummies?
Mark Peters swifty@auburn.net
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 03:58:17 -0400 From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ivanhoe for sale....... Message-ID: <33C5E799.445F@earthlink.net>
Since they've been creeping up on the jam lately.....
I'm selling IVANHOE's "Symbols of Time" for $12 (ppd). Drop me a line if you're interested.
cheers, Carlo
also.....IN FLAMES "The Jester Race" is an exercise in majestic melodies and heavenly harmonies..this band shall be my next crusade!! Go out and get this disc asap!!!
-- _ __| |__ "When you know that your time is close at hand |__ __| maybe then you'll begin to understand | | Life down here is just a strange illusion." | | |_|
--IRON MAIDEN (Hallowed Be Thy Name)
"Neo-classical, progressive, melodic metal"
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 01:13:16 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Rare stuff: DT singles and brain cells Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970711011142.25208A-100000@general5.asu.edu>
Here's a bonus question: How many Ytsejammers does it take to turn a....
.well, maybe that isn't a very good question.
~Eckie's already seen THAT answer
> > You, sir, are a shit :) Erik, why didn't you ask a bonus question for > the benefit of us dummies? > > Mark Peters > swifty@auburn.net >
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:24:42 +0100 (BST) From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Impostor is stupid Message-ID: <Marcel-1.08-0711082442-0b0rZWN@mor.apsoft.co.uk>
> From: impostor@wee.wee > > [Graham Borland wrote] > > I find Ivanhoe to be DT clones, pure and simple, and bad ones at that, I
I most certainly did NOT write that. I've never heard an Ivanhoe song in my entire life.
The impostor is stupid. He/she can't quote properly.
Graham
-- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 03:05:43 -0500 From: WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Joey Tafolla, amps, etc. Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970711030543.00698968@mail.autobahn.mb.ca>
>What happened to Joey Tafolla? Last I heard, Joey Tafolla followed Lanny Cordola and went holy roller.
Amps: Tube vs. Solid-state I use only tube amps myself, and have 70's Marshalls all pushing 100 watts out of 400 watt cabs. I feel it's a trade off. Sure, you get the warmth that tubes offer, but you wait maybe 8 days for them to heat up. And then there's the weight - a tube amp weighs as much as your average Buick. So, in my case, the cons outweigh the pros, but I've learned to sacrifice all those things for the tone I get from my tube amps.
Pickups: My guitars with aftermarket pickups: My Custom Sandoval V has DiMarzio PAF's and they're great. My Charvels & Jacksons have Bartolini's in them, which absolutely rock. My others are stock. Just because a particular pickup sounds good at the store doesn't always mean it will react the same way in your guitar. Caveat Emptor, I guess.
----------------------------------------------------------------------- I swear on tomorrow if you take this chance Our lives are this moment; the music, the dance And here in this labyrinth of lost mysteries I close my eyes on this night and you're all that I see -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 04:28:27 -0500 From: WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Trick question Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970711042827.006a78a8@mail.autobahn.mb.ca>
>> From: ERIK STEARNS <stearns@realtime.net> >> Subject: [Fwd: FW: Testing] >> >> 3. A ship is at anchor. Over its side hangs a rope ladder with rungs a foot >> apart. The tide rises at the rate of 8 inches per hour. At the end of six >> hours, how many feet of the rope ladder will remain above water, assuming >> that 8 feet were above water when the tide began to rise? >> Otay...so the water rises 48 inches in 6 hours, and there's 96 inches of ladder above water. So, I'd say there is 48 inches, or 4 feet of rope ladder, remaining above water. Correct?
----------------------------------------------------------------------- I swear on tomorrow if you take this chance Our lives are this moment; the music, the dance And here in this labyrinth of lost mysteries I close my eyes on this night and you're all that I see -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 04:57:47 -0500 From: James Mohr <jpmohr@primenet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: my lil QR story... Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970711045747.00692fe4@pop.primenet.com>
>imagine if you will... an opening act for one of your favorite band. >only, these guys are awful. simply horrible.
I stayed at my seat with the thought that it had to get better... If Malicious was the best x105 could find, I am very depressed. I thought the music scene here was much better. I saw a couple of the band members at Guitar Center a few weeks before the concert buying some equipment. Too bad they couldn't buy talent. Just to give them a little credit, the third song ("Between the Lines," I think) wasn't too bad.
>well, other than the 45 minutes of agony in the very beginning, the >concert was, as expected, fabulous. they played a good mix of old and >new songs, and in fact they played a lot more from O:MC than i had even >hoped for, although i do have to complain that if they're going to play >"Breaking the silence", "i don't believe in love", and "Eyes of a >stranger", what the hell is the point of leaving out the two shorter >songs in between? so the set's 4 minutes longer... some of us happen to >like those songs.
I was skeptical of the reviews I've been hearing... everyone was saying Queensrhyche is the best live band. I knew they'd be good, but I had no idea what I was in for. I was surprised at how great the sound was. I've never heard the Target Center sound so good. It doesn't have the best acoustics.
>my apologies to the kind jammer directly in front of me (who's name i >forget, but it started with a J... so post just to make me look dumb, or >something...) for any of my singing. i was just trying to avoid having >to hear the guy behind me who kept yelling "queensryche! this is classic >queensryche!" yeah, no shit, who did you expect? incidentally, if any >of you meet this jammer who's name i forget, don't mess with him. the >dude's a fuckin' stone wall. i don't think he even flinched the whole >concert...
That was probably me. It was great to finally meet a fellow jammer. About the singing -- I couldn't hear anything but the music with that speaker array directly in front of us. After the music stopped, I couldn't hear either. 8') I swear, earplugs are almost necessary these days... "Stone wall?" Hmmm... is that good or bad? There wasn't a whole lot of room to move where we were. I was pretty much in awe the entire time. Some guy wanted to get past me in the isle during a song, and I didn't notice him until he tapped my shoulder. I was in another world... Great concert.
>TURN THE FUCKIN' VOLUME DOWN! >trust me, we'll let you know when we can't hear you...
That was the second loudest concert I've been to, the loudest being Metallica at Marcus Amphitheater in Milwaukee back in '94. Of course, I was directly in front of a line of 4 foot speakers...
--James
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 05:55:00 -0400 From: Joe Kruger <jkruger@ee.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Joey Tafolla, amps, etc. Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970711055500.006cdb30@mail.ee.net>
At 01:50 AM 7/11/97 -0700, you wrote: >>What happened to Joey Tafolla? > Last I heard, Joey Tafolla followed Lanny Cordola and went holy roller.
Last I heard, three days ago on Perpetual Motion (the prog-metal board), he is back with Jag Panzer, a power metal band from Colorado due to release a new album shortly. Info was from one of the band members.
Gratuitous 5 CDs: 1. Tall Stories - Tall Stories 2. Metallica - Master of Puppets 3. Stratovarius - Visions 4. Mayadome - Paranormal Activity 5. Jeff Watson - Lone Ranger
Joe jkruger@ee.net
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 03:05:01 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: Trick question Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-970711100501Z-13387@ms.Kallback.com>
>>> 3. A ship is at anchor. Over its side hangs a rope ladder with rungs a >foot >>> apart. The tide rises at the rate of 8 inches per hour. At the end of >six >>> hours, how many feet of the rope ladder will remain above water, assuming >>> that 8 feet were above water when the tide began to rise? >>> > Otay...so the water rises 48 inches in 6 hours, and there's 96 inches of >ladder >above water. So, I'd say there is 48 inches, or 4 feet of rope ladder, >remaining above water. Correct?
Nope, the ship rises and falls with the tide, so there will always be 8 feet of rope above water. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >I swear on tomorrow if you take this chance >Our lives are this moment; the music, the dance >And here in this labyrinth of lost mysteries >I close my eyes on this night and you're all that I see >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 03:07:07 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: my lil QR story... Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-970711100707Z-13388@ms.Kallback.com>
Question: Did QR have sucky opening bands everywhere? I know they did in Seattle! >
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 04:03:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Pipe Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Phaghakneeknee Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.970711035522.20092M-100000@dante12.u.washington.edu>
Lost in Dizaniniland.
---- > From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng) > Subject: Paganini's 24 Caprices > > Does anyone know if Nicolo Paganini's 24 Caprices have ever been > recorded on guitar? I know bits and pieces have crept into some of the > "shredder" pieces (including "Crossroads" - Ralph Macchio vs Steve Vai > - CLASSIC!), but I would love to see someone try and play them on the > guitar - if it's even possible.
The only "complete" recording I know of for guitar of any kind is Eliot Fisk's, which is done on a solo acoustic guitar. I returned the disc after one listen because I couldn't stand hearing strummed chords in music as punctual and tight as the caprices.
Altering the volume of a note while it's resounding and maintaining the volume while altering the vibrato are two things that can't be done on a acoustic guitar which are staples of violin technique. I'd call Fisk's 24 Caprices an "arrangement" rather than a "cover" because he did some things very differently. Not that you can just do violin stuff EXACTLY the same on a guitar, of course there will be structural differences with how passages are sounded. I must admit, were I more open-minded about this sort of thing I'd probably really like Fisk's album, give me a few years to mature.
Playing the caprices as crisply on an electric guitar (with a distorted tone) as one might on a violin would be extremely difficult, for no other reason than when you lift your finger off a violin string the noise STOPS. This doesn't happen on an electric.
The caprice in "Crossroads" is a section of #5, but otherwise it's several classical riffs strung together, not all from a single piece.
Maestro Alex Gregory does a Me-Versus-The-Devil version of Caprice #24 on a compilation album I have, but I've never seen anything available by JUST Gregory himself. "Our deal, my friend, it has no moral standing."
Michael Fath also does a complete Caprice #24 on his album "Shake." I was lucky enough to get a transcription of it from Cherry Lane, but it's transcribed an octave lower than what violinists play. So it sounds more like a cello line for Caprice #24.
> I have 2 copies - one by I. Perman and also one by Midori.
Michael Fath's version of Caprice #24 is much slower than Midori's. This will come as a shock if you've learned anything from Midori. However, Fath's version is rhythmically consistent whereas Midori takes liberties with the tempo.
The Imp-Poster
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 06:30:35 -0500 From: wjwomack@tddeng00.fnts.com (Wade J. Womack) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Silent Lucidity Message-ID: <199707111130.GAA21812@tddpd22.tddeng00.fnts.com>
---------------------- > 4. If you persist in your efforts, > you can achieve a Dream Come True.
I always heard, "...achieve Dream Control"? Am I imagining things? ----------------------
No, you are not imagining things. The voice over *does* say "...you will achievedream control." That phrase is the key to the whole song. It is about lucid dreaming, in which the dreamer is aware that he is dreaming, and is therefore able to "control" his dream and take it in any direction that he may wish.
I saw a TV news story about this (on 20/20, I think) a while back. A doctor was using biofeedback to alert the sleeper that he was dreaming, so that he could guide himself along the dreamscape. The doctor was using this as a form of therapy, to repair emotional damage. This fits perfectly with the lyrics of Silent Lucidity.
Wade
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 06:59:05 -0500 From: wjwomack@tddeng00.fnts.com (Wade J. Womack) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Mumblings and jumblings Message-ID: <199707111159.GAA21822@tddpd22.tddeng00.fnts.com>
Spiff wrote:
Mood songs:
"......Goodbye to Romance, Ozzy (this is a definate frontrunner to be played at my funeral);........."
------------------------------ Man, am I relieved that I am not the only jammer to have given this morbid subject a little thought :)
The two songs that I would like played at my funeral are: 1) "Onward" by YES - the live version from "Keys To Ascension". An absolutely beautiful song, with incredible vocal harmonies from Jon Anderson and Chris Squire. Howe throws in some tasty licks, as well.
2) "Never The Same" by Echolyn - from "As The World". Again, an absolutely beautiful song, with a powerful and uplifting message. It never fails to bring a tear to the eye.
Wade
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